The Games Narcissist Play

Warning about psychopath research website. I initially logged on here and found it helpful the two main moderators were quick to help me and find out my business. Then i started getting personal emails from one of them and she told me they were compiling a book and would like to include my experience. I told them details but nothing direct. The feeling came to me that she was being too friendly and agreeing with everything I said. It was erie and then she would encourage me to open up more and more. Like she was getting off on the details. It was very subltle but I felt from the tone of her emails there was something going on. I watched how they handled the other people who came mostly asking for help with psychopathic situations. They seemed to feed on them. There is something wrong with this website so warning to others to be careful what you post and to who you post as ever these individuals come in friendship with ulterior motives. The best weapon you have is to trust your gut and often this is not enough as they will be everything you want them to be and so unspottable.
 
Piranah - we hope it wasn't one of the 'millions' of sites run by Femfree (Vaknin's proxy) that litter the net ensnaring the hapless, newly aware victim who is looking for validation & information.
 
Ah, projection.

I've always wondered why my exn would ask me strange questions, such as:

"what would you do if I cheated on you?" (translation: I am cheating on you)

among others, such as calling me "worthless trash", calling me "lazy" all the time even though I did all the cooking, cleaning, washing, and general upkeep of his apartment.
 
Filachi said:
Piranah,

What is the name of the website?

hi filachi sorry for delay in answering. The website is called Psychopath Research and did not seem linked with femfree and the like. They have references and links to Hare and I thought he was a respected psychologist. Everything seems kosher but it seems one person takes you on and squeezes for information. Quite personal information. I never felt like the replies I got were honest. It was all too too friendly. If that makes sense. I never trust anyone who compliments me all the time esp when they do not know me. That was what the person was doing. it says that the website is about research but I do not see anything but personal posting going on. Apart from the book idea which was presented to me but just seemed like a reason to make me tell personal story. I now believe this was fake. They kept asking for more personal references luckily I was suspicious and only gave unidentifiable stuff.

They then got my personal email and started writing to me direct with out requesting this via website first. This would cover them I guess if they were doing it with others then there would be no evidence on the website I guess. When ever I posted they would reply with sickly sweet sarcasm. i think they worked out I was on to them because I stopped replying and they bombarded me with emails for a while and then stopped. Yet again I have realised that what may appear to be one thing is another!
 
Hare has a support board too:
http://www.aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org/

Unfortunately Liane Leedom has positioned herself as the expert there
 
Warning:

After two of our members posted the link about Leedom and tried to tell them to check for themselves? We were summarily blocked for "attacking" a member (WTF?)

http://www.aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org/index.php

Hopefully others from here will be strong enough to go and try to tell the truth!
 
All of this has been a revelation to me over the past couple months. I always thought it was me, and to a certain extent it was me as well allowing myself to operate with the group mentality. Is there a way out? prolly, but for the mean time i have to take the observatory stance. To the N's around me it appears to be very frustrating borderline infuriating. I probably appear to be suddenly emotionless and silent, when in reality I am doing my best to perceive the reality/truth behind every word/sigh/gasp/event directed at me. I have ceased to be "easy pray" and refuse to get all emotional when solicited.

routines suddenly changed!! suddenly I am not the "main course" there are other easier meals to suck up, so to speak. It is at this point like a game of cards, high stakes! There is some wishful thinking involved for sure, i can not tell if i have a good hand but now I know the rules of the game I am playing here, I am watching and waiting to see if I have any good cards left to work with.

as much as one would like to just extricate themselves from a situation of this type, i see this as quite an opportunity. here is a teensy-weensy-tyrant to do some "work" with!! thinking waiting, watching, learning, strengthening till that moment when either the tyrant shows their hand and destroys themselves or just retreats permanently, or maybe they will just wake up as well??LOL isn't wishful thinking so soft and warm and cuddly.....
 
Laura said:
Most of us have a narcissist-lite or two in the family, some have the full-blown variety, but until this drama played out, I don't think that many of us had a clue about what we were dealing with. There's just nothing like seeing it up close and personal.

Thank you Laura for having this thread as it is very timely for what my family and I are going through right now. I am most unfortunate to be dealing with a full blown aggressive narcissist up close and personal.

Laura said:
There was a lot of pain and suffering for a lot of people for awhile, but even that was a good thing. After awhile, when you have to face reality day after day, have to face the fact that not everyone is a good person who intends to do good and tries to do good, that evil exists and it manifests most often in our world via pathological deviants, that they cannot be fixed, well, you become "inoculated" and gain a different perspective. Not only that, but you realize that none of the rules of human interactions you always believed in even apply. You don't forgive them, you don't forget, and that's not a bad thing.

It's like the post that purplehaze made on another thread, quoting a blogpost by Anna Valerious:

A Force of Nature
by Anna Valerious

Narcissists have a very limited range of emotions. While being able to fake having a wider range of emotions, they really operate on an emotional level of an animal with the two primary motivating emotions of fear and anger (jealousy is a close third, but is really a combination of the other two). This is one reason they impute one of these two emotions to you when you are not behaving properly. They project their own emotional state or reactions to you. Which is why, when you calmly and firmly withhold absolution for their misdeeds, they immediately assume a negative.

Indeed, the assumption of the narcissists, sympathizers and Holy Joes is that you can't be a spiritual person with a clean conscience and a focus on the good things in life while withholding forgiveness. They are screwed up in the head so you can put their opinion on this in the trash.
Exactly. They think it is "withholding forgiveness." It isn't. There's really nothing to forgive. If a tornado destroys your house, do you feel that you need to forgive it? Of course not! It does what it does because it is what it is and you are there. Well, of course, pathologicals are more directed, more conscious than a tornado, but not much. They DO seek to prey on targeted individuals, but who knows if what makes a person a target is not similar to what attracts a tornado?

Lets look at it from healthy person's perspective.

Emotionally healthy people are realists. They are people who want to see reality, accept reality and live in reality. The realist has seen that the narcissist is not wanting a real gift of forgiveness, therefore the realist has accepted that truth and proceeded to live their life based on that truth. The realist doesn't have to be upset or angry about this reality because it never does any good to get pissed and stay pissed at reality for any length of time. Reality is. If you refuse to accept what is, you end up fighting truth.
Those are some powerful words put together there!

Not a good situation since, in the end, truth wins. The person I'm describing is able to depersonalize the behaviors and accusations of the narcissist because they've come to understand that the narcissist is not truth-based. Because an emotionally healthy person is only interested in truth-based reality, they don't take a lying narcissist at their word. When the narcissist starts hurling accusations the realist doesn't take them to heart once they've figured out that the narcissist is an inveterate liar.

In fact, this person is able to completely depersonalize the narcissist too. The realist thinks of the narcissist as a Force of Nature. Realists do not get angry at a force of nature. It would be senseless to do so. The force of nature is just what it is and it can't help what it is. It does what it does, wreaks its destruction, and moves on. The energy and effort of the realist is used to stay out of the way of the force of nature until it passes. When the hurricane threatens, the wise realist does all they can to protect them self and their family from the coming storm. They hammer boards over the windows and hunker down in the relative safety of their basement. When the hurricane comes knocking you don't run up and open the door to it. You don't invite the hurricane to dinner. You don't throw your kids out on the front porch to appease the hurricane in order to save yourself. Or, like the natives of certain tribes, throw your virgins into the volcano to stave off its rage and rampage. No, you simply do all you can to protect yourself and stay out of the path of a force of nature. Where is the resentment? Where is the grudge-holding? It doesn't even apply. You have simply come to recognize the truth about the narcissist; they are destructive forces and unsafe for humans. You do not try to reason with a force of nature. You don't try to placate it. You don't waste time hoping the force of nature will grow a heart. You get out of its way and stay out of its way. That is all you can do.
Amen and hallelujah, sister! Reading something like that makes me feel downright sanctified! But only with experience, research and knowledge does one arrive at this place.

It would be really nice if this is even possible in my situation. I have been doing my best to get out of this Narcissist (ex-husband) and stay out of his way. But as it is:-

Laura said:
In one significant way the narcissist differs from a tornado, hurricane, tidal wave, volcano, etc...a force of nature is not predatory. The narcissist is. And, unlike most predators in nature, narcissists are predators of their own kind making them a wholly unnatural creature. This reality only underlines the need to get out of the way of the narcissist's storm.


And a predator he is!! In my case, the linking factor are the children. Even our best effort to stay away, he was able to get the children away from me by using a weakness in the legal system. Sad to say that by me remarrying, he was able to lie to the Court to say that my marriage was not valid and that we are living "in sin" (bizarre as it is, it does exist in this country I call home) and got an Ex-Parte Interim Order to take the children away. The question is, do I not fight this "force of nature"? Knowing very well that by not fighting will cause more misery to me and to my children especially? Do I unleash my own "storm"? All this while I have been letting go of my so called "rights" under the divorce just because I do not want to fight him. I just have enough of him that even thinking of him makes me want to throw up!! What more fighting him would force me to meet him, in Court, in meetings and all that jazz! I want to walk away, I am glad to walk away.

But, now with this issue I just CANNOT do that anymore. But at the same time, I am always questioning myself, if fighting now is the right step to take? Right now I am ready to "strike back" and strike hard so that he would back off. But would he then?

Laura said:
Here, I would like to make just one little adjustment: I really wonder if Narcissists - the real ones which I consider to be on the spectrum of psychopathy - are truly human? Sure, they look like us - have human bodies, but what if they are not really human at all? In such a case, the narcissist/psychopath is NOT preying on their own kind, because they, themselves, are a different species. Maybe they are mutations from way back in history, or maybe they are a combination type - a mix of say, Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon that gave a big brain to a soulless body?

Since he is an aggressive narcissist bordering on psychopathy and that I really believe that he is not really a human as he is without conscience and empathy and without remorse or guilt, I do not know what to anticipate. I worry for my children and their safety in the hands of such man and if I do this, they would bear the brunt of it all since they are the closest to remind him of me. But, if I don't do this, then I am leaving them in his hands.

Laura said:
But they could not tolerate that. And that, above all other things, is what demonstrated their pathology. That is what showed us that we had NOT misjudged them. As Gurdjieff said:

"A decent man will behave decently even if he thinks that he has been treated unjustly or wrongly. But many people in such circumstances show a side of their nature which otherwise they would never show. And at times it is a necessary means for exposing a man's nature. So long as you are good to a man he is good to you. But what will he be like if you scratch him a little?"

Reading further I found Purple Haze had quoted Kathy Krajco in "What Makes a Narcissist Tick: Blaming the Victim of Narcissism", I need to stop being a victim and I need to get my children back. Once I have them back, then we can all walk away and I do hope that I do not encounter that "force of nature" again.

And for that I pray...
 
Starlight said:
I need to stop being a victim and I need to get my children back. Once I have them back, then we can all walk away and I do hope that I do not encounter that "force of nature" again.

If you read Sandra Brown's WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS you will learn - you are not a victim and never were - YOU WERE A TARGET. (would you be a "victim" of a mosquito? No you'd be a target)

Stand up to these pathologicals and take back your power.
 
Laura,

Thank you for this wealth of information on narcissists and their behaviour.

I have been reading these informative posts since March of this year when I had to attend to a family emergency in North America. My brother was seriously injured, and my parents and I flew in to be at his side. my younger brother who, exhibits many, if not all narcissistic traits.

I really have been keeping my thoughts and observations to myself, and tried relating that fact to my parents, but their Christian beliefs (especially turn the other cheek) prevent them from seeing my brother as such (a narcissist).

It's quite amazing how a narcissist is able to look good to others, while at the same time, make you feel bad, (and sometimes react accordingly), causing others to perceive you, the sane one as crazy!

I have read from the various links posted by Laura, that when interacting with narcs, it is essential that you don't display too much emotion, if any at all. It seems they feed of negative emotional reactions.

Living in the presence of a narcissist is really akin to trying to shelter a storm with no roof over one's head. More like a hurricane with multiple eyes. There seems to be calm, but you never really quite know when the calm is about to end. It's like walking on eggshells living in the presence of such individuals. You never know what to say, and what reaction an innocent comment will elicit.

The narcissists manipulate human emotions so easily! They fluctuate between moods as easily as eye blinking.
Example- Me and my younger brother playing some xbox. Everything is going ok, we joke, talk crap, u know, just chilling. I get comfortable..... I relax..... I show my human side. I took the bait!
Suddenly the mood shift. Sudden character assassination for being good at a particular game. Catches me off guard, throws me off balance completely! Expletives being thrown at me, cynical and critical comments hurled at me like bombshells! Imagine the confusion! Sheesh!
This happened in April. I was dumbfounded. I thought it was my fault.

Then those scenarios started to increase in frequency. Sudden anger trips, after we've "kissed and made up". It's like he was intentionally trying to keep me in a stat of confusion and emotional turmoil!

There would be numerous incidents like these. I felt degraded. I lost my confidence. I didn't want to approach people at the gym. I kept to myself, because I felt so vulnerable and exposed, that I just thought that everyone is out to get me. (I'm a big, but sensitive guy. I have a heart. I don't consider myself to be a macho man). Due to his injuries and their healing time period, I had to stay with the dude over a 6 week period. Honestly, it was like living in hell. I had no escape. My soul felt trapped. I felt as if I couldn’t reveal my true feelings or myself in my brother’s presence, because it would be ‘preyed upon’ I felt as if the gym was my only refuge. During that time frame, I felt so bitter, frustrated and anxious, I would have felt more comfortable and secure living in a park on a bench. I have never felt so spiritually violated. I don’t know if anyone out there has ever felt so ‘exposed’ and vulnerable due to constant emotional manipulation and negative verbal barrage (maybe even psychic attacks)

Now, at the time, my younger brother was undergoing recovery from multiple injuries. When I would explain the scenarios to my mom, who at the time was overseas, she blamed it on the Morphine. An excuse which my brother quickly started using in his defense. She, being a good Christian mother, kept asking me to just bear with it. Don’t let it get to you. But she wasn’t the one being targeted.
Now, from what I’ve learned about narcs is that they will never bite the hand that feeds them unless that hand is no longer useful to them. My brother shows this really brilliant, jovial, decent side to my parents, while terrorizing me. Thus when I complain to my folks about how horrible the guy’s behavior is, they sometimes question me.

One day, during april, while my brother was still in recovery at this really kind lady’s house, the anger bomb exploded.
Scenario: I had a good workout session at the gym the previous night. I had minimum contact with my younger brother for 2 days. I woke up the following morning, completely forgetting that I’m living with a narcissist / emotional predator. I’m preparing breakfast, humming this nice tune that I’ve got in my head. Sit down to eat breakfast. Enjoying the protein shake and the Udo’s oil. Guess who walks in with the most toxic aura?

The first thing, before even a good morning, is a negative remark. He had to find some means of confusing me, of trying to drain me. The negative remark pertained to some chicken he cooked. He mentioned the night before that I’m free to grab some chicken. (big mistake. Don’t ever take anything, or any favors from a narcissist. They most definitely will use it against you). I checked the chicken, took a small fork full, and covered the pan. Ooh the guy blew up for that. Since I didn’t eat, I left it on the hob assuming that he would come eat later. Wrong assumption!
That was a sort of weakness, a sort of invite for criticism and the blame game. (Making a mistake in the presence of a narcissist is their cue for character assassination.)

The dude started raising his voice, all the while, I was maintaining mine. He was probing me, looking for all weak points to try to break me. None worked. I was still calm and peaceful, enjoying my lovely shake and sandwich.
(apparently, being happy and carefree is quite offensive to narcissists. Being genuinely happy and having peace of mind sort of triggers them to go into chaos mode)
So then, he upped the ante, putting his hands in my face, coming up to me as in too close for comfort. I maintained my cool. Funny enough, when he realized that I’m not going to take the bait, he started defaming my character, calling me faggot, graphically describing how I get anally abused. In retrospect, it is hilarious, but at the time, I had to get out of the house.

That was my last straw. I called my folks up asking that I get booked on the next flight out of the country. Guess what happened? Good ole mum made excuses for my narc brother. I know she was hurting, because I was their representative in another country, and they wanted family to be around my brother during his recovery process. So, reluctantly I stayed. Not before being unwillingly apologized to by my brother. Apparently my parents warned him that I was going to leave. In my heart, I know the guy just saw me as a source of food, a punching bag, if you will, to master his destructive emotional manipulation techniques.
It was after this emotionally and spiritually exhausting experience I got an urge to check the SOTT forum, because I was convinced the dude was possessed. It’s because I would feel tormented after an argument. I felt as if my very soul was being violated. I came across Martha stout’s ‘Myth of Sanity’, read about multiple personality disorder, and the like. Thank God I decided to check the Cassiopaea forum.

I discovered a wealth of info on this forum, and also the posted links. The information obtained literally fed my soul. I started realizing that I wasn’t going crazy. I’m not just too ‘sensitive’. Other people have been suffering at the hands of narcissists for ages.
Thank goodness for the internet! No more suffering in silence. Those posts Laura made resonated so deeply with me because I was going through so many of the scenarios posted. I was searching for an answer in quiet desperation.

Knowledge indeed protects, because, the methods of attack are the same, especially with narcissists. With me, the scenario would be: find a fault or a reason to argue, if not much negative emotional reaction, up the ante with more verbal abuse, physical expressions of anger and even confrontation.

Fast forward to September. My younger brother’s injuries have healed. I decide to visit him, thinking that he’s changed, because, I really want to believe that he is good deep down, and that there is a heart, there is a conscience.(genuine human beings project their values, their love for humanity onto others; I mean, the narcissists and psychopaths look like us, sometimes speak like us, appear to have genuine emotions and conscience, so why not?)

WRONG! Same scenario!
Who was I kidding? The guy was still the same, and became even stronger in his manipulative ways!
I promised myself that it’s the last time I let my mom talk me into visiting my younger brother again. My parents have gotten glimpses of his true nature, but since he is being funded by them, he has to behave. With me on the other hand, he lets the negativity loose. I was once accused by him of not accepting reality! (apparently his narcissistic reality).

The final straw was a nuke of an argument over a brita filter jug. I was filling out some documents, focusing on my task at hand, then boom! The bomb exploded. I was accused of never putting the filtered water in the refrigerator; I walked out refusing to tolerate another argument. more verbal assault ensued. Returned to the apartment, the confrontation began to take on a physical aspect, in that my personal space was being violated. All the while I kept my calm. A non stop baragge to throw me off balance, to ‘steal my goat’ to disrupt my peace of mind. Sigh!


I didn’t engage, I remained calm. Did a quiet meditation to rejuvenate my spirit. For some reason, that meditation was really good. I was laying on a sofa, with headphones on my ears, with a smile on my face. Big mistake!
The guy cuts himself in the kitchen, turns on the light directly over the sofa I’m laying on. This disturbed me, so I requested that it be put off please. A resounding ‘NO’ was the answer. I knew the dude wanted a second round in order to elicit some negative emotional reaction, because being calm pisses them off!

I was then accused of not caring, blah blah blah. I got up to go to the bathroom, and guess who almost pushes me over in trying to get past? You guessed it. My brother.
So, I had to issue a warning ‘Please don’t do that again”. More confrontation ensued. I think he wanted me to get angry and hit him, thus portraying himself as a victim; I’d look like the bad guy who knocked out his younger brother. Had that happened, his sympathizers would have labeled me evil. He’d be the hero, the good guy.
Luckily, I didn’t take the bait. i would refrain from raising my voice or engaging in heated argument. I kept backing off and requesting that my personal space be respected.
Upon realizing that I won’t take the bait, he walked away, calling me degrading names, cussing me out, foul mouthed as a sailor .

10 to 20 minutes later, my parents decide to call. Guess who is the chirpiest bird, the world’s happiest person? My younger brother. After a loud, heated argument, trying to get me to react illogically and emotionally with his nasty verbal assaults, this guy is on the phone with my parents as if nothing happened. If anything, that ticked me off. I left the apartment refusing to be a part of this hypocrisy. I didn’t respond to their calls for the entire day. I think that was the intention. He acts like everything is alright, while I’m complaining, and being bitter. I admit, it did work.

But I decided then and there to move into another place. I honestly would have been happier in a shelter for the homeless. (at the time, so I thought). In retrospect, I realize that I was in such a bad place emotionally and spiritually, that I couldn’t think clearly. I felt drained and confused. It’s like my heart centre got squeezed to the point of no return. I had work at a new company the following day, and I was reserved completely and in my shell. I’m not usually like that. I felt like a victim of abuse, with nowhere to turn to. The worst thing was that I had no money to move out, so I had to stay with my narc brother a week longer. I swear I almost went insane. It’s like there’s nowhere to turn, nowhere to hide, nowhere to seek refuge. Something about his presence affected me negatively.

(Brings to mind the C’s session – 05/03/97 wherein the C’s mention that TK’s wife is an EM vector).
Here’s a quote:

One major thing we see from the above is that our "associations" can be crucial. Of course, if we are AWARE that anyone and everyone can be used as an "EM vector" to modulate our frequency or behavior or thinking, then we have some protection. But to be unaware of it, to be in close association with those who are unaware themselves, and therefore subject to this manipulation, is to be firmly "in the trap."
But suppose one person in a relationship begins to "wake up," and becomes aware (even if only vaguely), that all is not as it seems. They will have continual glimpses of the reality, mostly when not in the presence of the other individual. They may clearly see that something is not working, that it is not right, and may even make decisions to change it or to leave. But the instant the other person is physically present with their EM vectoring capabilities, the glimpses of truth are "damped" or even shut down and the waking person begins to feel schizophrenic or crazy in some way for having such conflicting and opposing thoughts. Add to this the social and religious enculturation to "turn the other cheek" or "suffer because it's noble and holy," and you have the recipe for cooking the Wanderer's goose!

After reading this, I realized that all these symptoms were relevant to my experience. On my own, I get glimpses of reality, get motivated to do some reading, but the moment he walks in, he does stuff (consciously or subconsciously) to disturb or distract me. Coincidence? Hmm…. Maybe not. :/

Fast forward again to today, I have moved into a room of my own. I’m no longer affected by my brother’s toxic behavior towards me, but what’s getting me now is pity. I’m starting to pity him, the narcissist, who has gleefully degraded my character, and confused me emotionally and drained me spiritually.

Q: My God! I also noticed that several of us have been involved with persons and relationships that seem designed to confuse, defuse, and otherwise distort our learning, as well as drain our energy. Basically, keeping us so stressed that we cannot fulfill our potential. Is there some significance to this observation?
A: That is elementary, my dear Knight!
Q: One of the things I have learned is that these individuals seem to attach via some sort of psychic hook that enters through our reactions of pity. Can you comment on the nature of pity?
A: Pity those who pity.
Q: But, the ones who are being pitied, who generate sensations of pity, do not really pity anybody but themselves.
A: Yes...?
Q: Then, is it true as my son said, when you give pity, when you send love and light to those in darkness, or those who complain and want to be "saved" without effort on their own part, when you are kind in the face of abuse and manipulation, that you essentially are giving them power to further their disintegration, or contraction into self- ishness? That you are powering their descent into STS?
A: You know the answer!
Q: My God! Yes. I have seen it over and over again. Were the individuals in our lives selected for the extremely subtle nature of their abilities to evoke pity, or were we programmed to respond to pity so that we were blind to something that was obvious to other people?
A: Neither. You were selected to interact with those who would trigger a hypnotic response that would ultimately lead to a drain of energy.
Q: (T) Well, it is a fact, because my energy is sure drained. (L) What is the purpose of this draining of energy?
A: What do you think?
Q: (T) So you can't concentrate or do anything. You can't get anywhere with anything.
A: Or, at least not the important things.
Q: (T) Is that why my concentration is so low?
A: Yes. You are dealing with a no-win situation!! As you know.
Q: (T) So, if I don't get out, I will just keep going down. Is it the area or the person?
A: Both. One is wrapped within the other.

And the ‘hooks of pity’ have got to my parents also. Since I’ve moved out and been on my own, I get the feeling that my mom is sad, and hurt that I can’t seem to get along with my brother. I swear this Christian programming which teaches that suffering is holy especially at the hands of the wicked, is twisted! I think what my parents want ideally, is for me to cohabit peacefully with my brother; tolerate his crap because he’s younger, pretend to the world that everything is alright, have a united front, because we are both in a foreign country, in the same city. I’m working, he’s in college.

I have personally decided to not be part of that, and actually requested that my parents excommunicate me, because I don’t want any guilt or pity trips. I am a second time survivor to the antics and exploits of a narcissistic person. What really hurts is that it’s my younger brother. Sigh. And since my parents don’t see the perspective that I’m seeing it from, I guess it’s going to be tough for them accepting that I want to keep my distance from my blood brother.

I do apologize for the extremely long post forumites. :)
 
Hi has anyone have an opinion about this web site 'lovesafetynetataweber.com' ?? Its run by a couple Kim and Steve Cooper, he is an ex narcissist (?????) and they offer advice ( which you have to pay for) about how to make a narcissistic relationship work?????. I am bemused by it but also shocked that it is fooling people!!!



Moderator's note: The link has been deactivated. It is an email address and not a web address.
 
But is it true that interacting with narcissists biulds character? I mean instead of running away from them we face them, armed with knowledge of course. I work with some, so running away is not an option for me. I'm trying to learn from them. One of them is a good bloater, in fact he managed to reach the top by augmenting everything he does as if he's a miracle doer, where in fact it's only his job. He gives the impression of a very hard worker. Whereas I do triple his work but don't brag about it.
 
Hey samy,

I think that once you have learned about NPD and narcissistic traits, and put some distance between any pain you may have suffered from that, any interaction you have with one can help strengthen you. I have to keep my anger in check, though. I have to recognise it for what it is, from where it stems, to concentrate.

I know what you mean about work, and not being able to run away from them. I think the advice to run away is mostly for those you can choose - love relationships, or those outside the workplace. Just know that when you don't submit to their games, you will become "the enemy" - and you will be targeted. There could be many lessons in that.

Just recently, I have been going through some similar stuff at my job - 3x the work, what a coincidence, me too. All the work and nothing for that except the expectation of even more. I've let my boss know what's going on, and now the petty retaliation has started. Small sabatoge kind of stuff at first, but I'm ready for it this time. I'd just rather not. I wish HR could spot them and weed them out. I really hate all the vigilance and documentation, but I have to protect myself.
 
Quote from PROJECTING, in reply #1
Give them hypothetical problem solving scenarios and listen carefully to their responses. You can get right inside their heads without them even realising it. While they think they are showing you how clever they are, they are in fact revealing themselves in a way that would make them cringe if they realised it.

I LOVE this tool!!! It's like verbal/psychological Aikido!!!

Laura, as usual.... thank you so much for posting such fantastic and educational material!
 
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