What an interesting discussion.
For me, these sentences sum up the discussion very well:
For me, these sentences sum up the discussion very well:
The Gay "Germ" Hypothesis
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Obviously there's no injunction against discussing sexuality on the forum, so that's just nonsense. As for tone, no one demands perfection, but a lot can be read from the words people use and the context in which they use them.
Yeah, that was an obvious joke, a bit silly, but a joke, actually in an attempt to lighten the atmosphere a bit and perhaps encourage people to be more open. But it was a joke. You used the term "butt sex" in a non-joking, straight up serious way. It wasn't a big issue, and there was not clutching of pearls, it just highlighted your tendency to use childish language in a serious context, which is VERY different from me making an obvious joke. And yet you conflate the two. Also, I used the analogy of the proper and improper use of a hunting rifle, not a shotgun (no idea why you substituted that) to illustrate a point in response to a comment by someone else. The fact that the analogy was relevant to the topic was just a bonus.
Only to you, because you're having a hard time controlling your emotions over this topic.
Don't you think it's strange that the only one who has expressed a feeling of having the conversation "shut down" is you? And that that includes several gay members? Or maybe they're all brainwashed, and you're the only one who sees things objectively here?
PhoenixToEmber
Jedi Council Member
Keeping my eyes peeled is the plan. I've studied at least enough history by now to know just how quickly a situation can change, and how drastically; how evil can build up under the surface and then suddenly explode, and the next thing you know we're in Pompeii (metaphorically speaking).
And thank you for the birthday wish.
I think having the big picture, that these movements, (gay, feminist, racial etc.) have been co opted by the PTB, can act as a grounding point. I like to try and strip away all the crap surrounding these issues, and try to see them with clearer eyes. I see that what is pushed by the media, and it's so called experts, is pretty much opposite what should be done. And I think their agenda could end up with pretty terrifying outcomes as things deteriorate, as the shoving it in your face approach probably will end up with serious blowback.
And it is very likely that all the oppression of said groups was controlled and manufactured as well, to set up the situation we see today.
PhoenixToEmber
Jedi Council Member
That would be another good solution if all the insane asylums weren't closed!
Peterson talks about Openness to Experience (I think you mentioned that a few pages back) from the Big 5 Personality test being a predictor for a liberal political point of view (Big Five personality traits - Wikipedia, Understand Myself - What You Need to Know) so my guess is that LGBTQ folks probably tend to have high openness scores. People with a higher openness to experience score are more "willing to try new things", "more likely to hold unconventional beliefs" and "more likely to engage in risky behavior or drug taking". There are a bunch of positive aspects to a high score as well and I'm guessing many people here have high openness scores, but my point is that people who are open to experience are less likely to be shocked, perturbed, disturbed, or feel awkward or averse in general.
Many of the LGBTQ folks I know got involved in "gay culture" when they were teenagers and young adults and it became part of their identity. Teenagers get caught up in social movements for a variety of reasons (wanting to fit in, rebel against their family/society, be a good person, etc) and don't think about the fact that they might be pawns in a bigger game. Identifying with a group is also a big part of liberal identity. Repeated exposure to triggers causes desensitization, so if someone is more open/less averse to something in the first place and everyone in the group they identify with is into it that could explain how someone could not only lose their aversion but have a hard time understanding why everyone else has a problem.
Thank you Laura for opening this thread, I've learned something new so i'm grateful to you and to all who participated in this thread.
Though what i took home from all this thread is Joe's comment (especially the bolder part):
It doesn't matter you are heterosexual or homosexual, what matters is Who you are and Who you want to BE. The sexual desire is the thing it got us all in this mess, the primordial sin, the desire to experience the physical reality, it's the thing we'll have to overcome naturally by doing our homework If we want to get out of this mess, so by zooming out and looking at all this from this point of view all i can see is that Wasting one own's energy by letting to bee emotionally heavily identified with
Just my take on it...
Though what i took home from all this thread is Joe's comment (especially the bolder part):
It doesn't matter you are heterosexual or homosexual, what matters is Who you are and Who you want to BE. The sexual desire is the thing it got us all in this mess, the primordial sin, the desire to experience the physical reality, it's the thing we'll have to overcome naturally by doing our homework If we want to get out of this mess, so by zooming out and looking at all this from this point of view all i can see is that Wasting one own's energy by letting to bee emotionally heavily identified with
one own's
sexual orientation it won't help you grow and Do the Work, on the contrary, it will distract you, will consume your thoughts will make you waste your energy and time for NOTHING.Just my take on it...
PhoenixToEmber
Jedi Council Member
That's my most dominant trait - exceptionally high in both subcategories (Intellect 94%, I believe - and Trait Openess, 98%), actually. Oddly enough, that did not translate much into my sex life at all or even drug-taking (never did anything "extreme" in either of those areas). What it did play into, though, is that I love to read both fiction and non-fiction almost equally; painting; writing poetry; playing drums; trying my hand at various creative things like cooking, woodcutting, etc. etc. Makes me love museums, libraries, films, live music, culture - it's the root of being obsessively curious, in both a creative and intellectual way.
See, this didn't happen to me. The culture I was immersed in as a teenager growing up was mostly my local music scene, which was a mix of all races and sexualities (although predominantly straight) and our identities revolved mostly around our instruments and our craft. There are no gay bars in Elizabeth or anything like that really - no "scene" - everyone just goes to Manhattan for that. But the only reason I would ever go to Manhattan as a teenager and in college was to go to a concert, a museum, or a bookstore. lol I don't really like bars and I rarely drink. Perhaps this is why I feel so different than a lot of "LGBT" people I meet.
- One can have a happy and healthy life without orgasms.
- One cannot have a happy or healthy life without exercise and work.
- Once cannot have a divine life if focused on the pleasures of the lower half of the body.
A theory why homosexuality is condemned by God:
From “Egyptian Book of the Dead - 42 Negative Confessions” there is one of the confessions that states: Hail, Qerrti, who comest forth from Amentet, I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men. Link to original web page
The humans that have the blood of the Annunaki or the god ordained rulers of men needed to keep their genetic line pure. They needed to maintain proper procreation standards so anything that interfered with this was condemned. Homosexuality was a death knell to the bloodline, so it was condemned. However, lesbianism did not interfere with the bloodline since the woman could still be impregnated and thus the bloodline would continue. Those who were not of the blue blood were not of any concern of God, so this sin only pertains to the blue bloods.
Viruses are the likely suspect:
Viruses are like alien drones or bio-portals for hyper dimensional attachments. There could easily be hundreds of thousands different homosexual bio-portals just as there are computer viruses in the dark web. To complicate matters the infectious trait could be a small part of a common virus and only is activated in individuals that are susceptible. Thus, the individual can be infected anytime from conception on until the sexual preference has been solidified.
It's really hard to see how homosexuality can be a "death knell" to a bloodline since it does not result in procreation. So I would say that this Annunaki idea is a load of nonsense.
However, what is interesting is that the aversion to homosexuality was so clearly expressed in ancient Egypt and perhaps they were aware that it very often leads to STDs and worse?
Going back to Gaby's post about STDs several pages back, it is surprising to see one branch of social authorities so up in arms about STDs while another branch is pushing and promoting "sexual fluidity", which is almost guaranteed to increase the spread of same in the population.
Going back to the "theory" that opened the thread, the "Gay Germ" thing, it seems to me that it is just some hardcore Darwinist types trying to come up with something to save Darwinism when homosexuality is actually much better explained by Design Theory.
PtE, just a general comment: please stop trying to impress us here with how positive and great you are compared to other gays. It's really transparent and doesn't help. You be your own judge. I get the feeling that in your mind everything resolves around you, which is not a healthy thing. If I understood correctly, Laura called you a "six year old" earlier. This should give you some food for thought!
Another manifestation of "everything's about you" - arguing about irrelevant things just to show us you "have been right". You realize that these things are totally obvious?
I think a whole new world could open up to you if you practice thinking about others, about their perspectives, what might be helpful for them, and try to put yourself in others' shoes.
Good point! Homosexuality totally runs counter Darwinism. Darwinian thinking is such a mess, I wouldn't be surprised if someone came up with a "hero germ", because self-sacrifice is a complete non-starter in the Darwinian world!
nature
Dagobah Resident
In fact, homo community is not homogeneous. The problem is in the creation of a "community". When there are disturbed (and disturbing) people in a group, like pathocratic ones, the whole group goes to chaos and infect the sane elements. There are bad people everywhere, in every country, in every races, in every groups.
In gay community, there is a minority of pathologic individuals but with their narratives, rhetorics, nice words (egality etc) they drive all others. Exactly the same thing as in other domains, like the SJWs stuff.
Most of layman gays are conditionned; they consider gay pride as the unique opportunity to be heard, to change things towards their acceptance. I even heard a gay parson say "I don't like grotesque parades in gayprides but I go there because it has helped to recognize homosexual marriage" or "I go there because it's a mean to encounter a new partner" (!) or "because I love the atmosphere of feast".
See this thread about Rio's carnival: the same goes for majority of people (whatever sexual orientation)
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nature
Dagobah Resident
So, finally it's not a problem of being gay or not, it's a problem of humans: being able to detach oneself, to see the whole picture. There are some homo who don't mix with the community, live in discretion, don't like gaypride parades. It's a matter of being, not of sexual orientation.
Of course, things like cia will exploit social rejection of a community, to divide even more, to generate hatred.
And also, crooked or even psychopath people exist everywhere, among gays too, so they give a bad image of gay people in general, particularly when there are pedophile ones among them.
And yes I agree with you Joe; conditionned gay people will win - both for their individual life, for their spirit and for the "community" itself - if they are able to see that identification to the community will kill them (in all plans).
Same for every type of community every time they are not vigilant, let malignant people think for them.
I don't like the notion of "community", it's something that blinds its members and makes them make things they will not commit otherwise. We see it also in religious communities, political communities etc.
Of course, things like cia will exploit social rejection of a community, to divide even more, to generate hatred.
And also, crooked or even psychopath people exist everywhere, among gays too, so they give a bad image of gay people in general, particularly when there are pedophile ones among them.
And yes I agree with you Joe; conditionned gay people will win - both for their individual life, for their spirit and for the "community" itself - if they are able to see that identification to the community will kill them (in all plans).
Same for every type of community every time they are not vigilant, let malignant people think for them.
I don't like the notion of "community", it's something that blinds its members and makes them make things they will not commit otherwise. We see it also in religious communities, political communities etc.