The quandry of the Boomers.

[Voyageur]

That's my experience as well. Here is one example of just that, and as Trump would say - many such cases.

Yes, true. As Miracle wrote on narcissistic tendencies, they were and are still well represented in the boomer subsect. Yet as the Pressman's (Narcissistic Family) looked to, the either covert or overt narcissistic nature's developed, ripples down through generations. In another sense, our very media (news, movies, TV, reality TV and advertising (even in Banking/Insurance), and what have you) had exploited said tendencies then, and anew.

Don't know about the U.S. or the EU, yet in Canada for decades, the theme at every banking institution was 'Freedom 55' (hence the above 55+ communities). For most people that was a joke, but it works itself deeply on many (many of the Freedom 55'rs were the first to denounce the freedom of choice during covid - authoritarian followers in the extreme).

 

[Carl]

I heard someone point out recently the interesting fact that our collective discussion has switched from talking about time/decades (the 80's, the 90's etc.) to talking almost exclusively about generations. It could well be some kind of psyop to divide people.

That said, in my experience, boomers on the whole, the most visible ones at least, and the ones who are still around are a very... particular generation. Much more entitled than any other, and willing to absolutely fly off the handle at the slightest inconvenience. Along with that, there is an incredible child-like naivety and credulousness, where many are willing and eager to fall for any deception from authorities, no matter how ridiculous, blindly trusting everything on the TV. Especially during COVID, it was baffling how here in the UK, the rich and successful boomers bought the lie so hard. How could they be so stupid - how did they climb to that position in society with zero critical thinking skills and such a fear-based mindset?

My theory is that it's just because in that period in history, it paid very handsomely just to follow the rules and get along. It was possible to amass eye-watering levels of wealth just by plodding along in a mediocre middle-management role, buying a house for peanuts, and maybe buying a few popular stocks. Most importantly by never asking questions. So there's kind of a selection bias in place there. Nowadays things are much harder as the empire declines rapidly.

What irks younger generations most is not that "evil boomers" caused all this, but that older generations in their circle or family do not recognise any of this - it's like their brains are simply incapable. They don't realise how everything is much worse, how the economy is broken, the social contract is broken, how now even people's health is completely broken from the moment they get those 75 shots.

 

[Scottie]

From my admittedly limited American perspective of my own family/friends/acquaintances, I would say it worked something like this:

My grandparents were "The Greatest Generation". They fought in WW2, then came home and were hailed as heroes. My parents' generation reveres them as almost god-like, remarking that unlike later gens, the GG never talked about the war, never complained, and so on.

One might ask: Well, WHY didn't they talk about the war? After all, they were heroes, no? I'm pretty sure it was not because they were just so awesome and selfless.

I suspect many of them knew darn well that the USA didn't win WW2 - the Russians did. Then they come home and are hailed as heroes. Immediately thereafter, the Cold War kicks into high gear, and even being perceived as sympathizing with communists was bad juju, so they simply kept their mouths shut.

Their children had good lives, got good jobs, and built families in relative peace - and generally they followed authority after seeing their parents' example.

Then came my generation, and I still haven't figured us out.

But whatever generation you talk about, it's kind of nebulous and there were A LOT of other things going on each decade, culturally, socially, politically, etc.

So end of the day, any and all talk of generations usually just exists to sow division, and after decades of it, the PTB are very good at stirring things up.

To me, it's ridiculous to blame any generation for anything, because each one is a sum total of so many years of manipulations and games and shenanigans, it's just nuts.

 

[luc]

Another reason for the "boomer hatred" is that in many ways, we still live in a mental "boomer world", and younger generations are fed up with it. Among other things, the mental coordinates of "boomer world" are based on an obsession with Nazism and WWII, which led to all these taboos about Jews, antisemitism, race, gender roles etc., and also the embracing of globalism, one-world government ("to prevent another war"), do-good interventionism, and so on. These lofty but often misguided talking points are flanked by a profound hypocrisy - many boomers will defend feminism while they are on their 3rd wife, lecture about environmentalism while driving/flying to their holiday home all the time, embracing egalitarian ideas while living the good life younger generations cannot afford... And even the conservative boomers can't get out of some of these mind-traps, while telling younger people they simply should get their act together so that they too can live the good life, which may be sound advice in some sense, but not only is that often impossible these days, but many younger people realize or intuit that there is a deeper spiritual malaise at play here, and they can't find meaning simply by getting a good job to... what exactly? Buy a few nice things? Or even have a family - but with what kind of future for their children?

Obviously not all boomers are like that, but there is enough truth in this stereotype for it to have become sort of a meme. Many boomers react allergically to this sort of thing, but if they are different, as of course many are, then they shouldn't take offense. We need to be able to be critical of and indeed laugh at the shortcomings and specific kind of messed-upness of our own generation.

All that being said, while a certain rebellion against previous generations is natural, younger people shouldn't take it too far - because ironically they would repeat the same mistake of the boomer generation who rejected the conservatism of their parents outright, and in Germany/Europe the involvement or sympathy with Nazism/fascism of their parents, and not without their reasons, but then fell into incredibly stupid ideas, blatant hedonism, and erected a mind prison of their own. Somebody has to break the cycle. Besides, even from a conservative/right-wing perspective, the boomers are our elderly generation now and therefore our only living link to our ancestry, to our past, like it or not. We cannot just "skip them" and pretend they have nothing to do with us. We are their descendants, they live on within us, so we need to make sense of it all lest we are doomed to become like them in this strange dialectical way that seems to govern generational relationships if we don't become conscious of the underlying dynamics.

 

[Alejo]

We are their descendants, they live on within us, so we need to make sense of it all lest we are doomed to become like them in this strange dialectical way that seems to govern generational relationships if we don't become conscious of the underlying dynamics.

Good point,

I think it was that book "it didn't start with you" where some of this generational trauma was explored at the individual level, but on a larger societal level I think it makes sense as well, to remain fixated in a single source for a problem truly doesn't fix anything, it actually keeps one's ability to do anything about life forever out of reach.

And even if the fault lies somewhere else, then we can still forgive, to put it in one way. Only way to mend that relationship.

 

[Magnolia]

If we keep looking at the trees, we are going to miss the forest. I think Scottie nailed it (".....it's ridiculous to blame any generation for anything....."). I think Stylman nailed it too, on the substack Beau put up.

As Stylman notes, the key is the rigged game. Like it or not, we are all victims of a carefully constructed, multi-generation global con. I'm sorry to say that WW-era people fell for the crap. Boomers fell for the crap. And despite protestations to the contrary, every generation after the boomers fell for the crap. Instead of seeing the forest, generation after generation focused on their own little tree in their own back yard. And as long as their little tree bore some fruit, things gotta be ok, right? But, as they watered their own tree, they didn't see that the forest around them was diseased and dying. Now that little fruit tree is withered, the whole forest is dead, and people are beginning to look up and take notice.

I also think we are asking the wrong question. Is this a matter of who is to blame, or what happened? Maybe what happened is a more constructive focus. What happened may be the result of a naive, ignorant or misguided human susceptibility (perhaps an adjunct of wishful thinking) to being conned. A con that included (a) a calculated scheme of endless distractions, (b) the appeal of traditional and new-age religions and their lousy advice, (c) subtle but insidious propaganda to keep up with the Joneses, and (d) overt propaganda to be perennially worried about one's self. Maybe we could focus on collectively addressing this human frailty so we don't fall into the next scheduled death trap.

If the question is what happened, rather than who is blame, perhaps there is a pattern across all 'generations.' Here's a superficial glance at a few decades.

1950. Hold cocktail parties - a pickled brain keeps you sane.
1960. Buy Swanson frozen dinners - do less, get more, convenience is genius.
1970. Exalt sex - 'love' the 'one' you're with.
1980. Behold and bow! The 60 hour work week with a 40 hour salary and 15% mortgage rates - you too can climb the corporate ladder!
1990. Don't worry, be happy. Anything goes.
1995. Be cool! Car, hair, nails, nose rings - how you look is everything; substance is for pussies.
2000. Be afraid, very afraid - they're out to getcha (and keep your mouth shut while you tremble).
2005. Why not go into debt for a meaningless degree - it's not what you know, it's the credential that counts. A diploma will make you rich!
2010. You should be confused - the foundation really is built on sand. But a foreclosure isn't the end of the world. By the way, isn't my new cell phone cool? Let's take a selfie.
2015. Low mortgage rates? Refinance your house! Take the money, go on a cruise, buy that boat. Debt is good.
2020. Be concerned, very concerned - your neighbors are threatening your health and security. But keep shopping (at the WEF stores). Look at what I bought with the money the government gave me!
2023. The country sucks, white people suck, family values suck. But be patriotic -- support DEI and help us all achieve a lower than measurable denominator of equality. But keep one eye on your wrist to see how your bp and sleep patterns are doing.
2025. Shit. Looks like they just reneged on 100 years of propaganda about economic 'cycles.' Now there's nothing but a downward spiral. Everything sucks. Who's to blame? Must be Trump. No, it's the boomers. Let's ask AI.

I'd say that even this superficial list shows that, generation after generation, we are told to look greedily, enviously, lazily, hopefully or contemptuously at the curtain -- but for heaven's sake, don't see the man behind it. And we do as we are told.

Every generation fell for the crap. Part of 'the crap' we fell for was subtle and persistent programming to not to cherish truth. We are taught instead to cherish 'being right' and to suffer embarrassment when we are 'wrong.' When we can't admit to being wrong, then somebody else must be wrong. Let's find the culprit, and go after him.

So we take our grievances to the streets, malign those we blame for causing our dilemma, and (of our own free will -- and proud of it) act out our prescribed roles in the global theatre which is now performing a tragedy called The Human Mockery. In the meantime, we'll just ignore the real suppression of our God-given rights, the real theft of our humanity, the real destruction of our nation, the real repression of our spiritual substance, and the real architect of our current disaster. We'll just shelve those realities and focus on the subliminally implanted grievances we harbor about Who is to blame.
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On the other hand, considering Stylman's suggestion to do something constructive, I don't know what can be done about BlackRock and the other perpetrators of the home-ownership stealth plot. They seemed to have succeeded quite fabulously. On top of that, BlackRock took over trillions in corporate pension funds years ago. After all, they had to get their hands on somebody's money to finance their destruction of the housing market and the traditional family structure. What irony though, that it was boomers' money that was used to destroy everything the boomers counted on. I figure BlackRock also intends to 'disappear' the boomer pension funds before the last act of this tragedy, leaving the old folks poverty-stricken and as good as dead. Killing at least four birds with one stone is BlackRock's forte.

I worry about what the boomers (who have reduced physical capacity and fewer opportunities) can do to survive what's coming down the pike. I worry about what other generations (who feel powerless and frustrated, but still have strength and vitality) can do to survive in an economy that has been pillaged and in a society that has been crushed and mutilated. And I wonder what either of them can do to achieve what Stylman suggested: build something real.

I don't think building new structures will be easy. When you read how the 'tiny home' owners were assaulted and thrown off their own property by the Canadian state, it is discouraging. But the state isn't the only problem. People themselves are reluctant to give up their comfortable delusions and pursue something novel.

tiny home owners on their own property in the Okanagan Valley

I suggested to my extended family over a decade ago that we should pool our funds and invest in a family 'compound' so all generations would be together on one plot of arable land. We could increase our security, be self-sufficient, and reduce costs as everybody aged. With shared ownership, the compound could serve whole generations in perpetuity. But the idea was met with contempt and rejected. They were all content with their immediate situations and couldn't see the writing on the wall. Too late now.

But the family compound might be a viable alternative for other people. If not, perhaps the multi-family or community and village approaches some pioneers are working on can succeed, but it must be done so carefully. Given our self-centeredness, our obsession with 'the material world,' and our collective spiritual ignorance, there are issues of collinearity, privacy, honesty, trust and contribution that must be very seriously considered. Nonetheless, it might be worthwhile if we start thinking creatively about the real problems that have been created for all of us before a disparaging segment of the population takes a page from Antifa and fulfills the globalists' agenda to foster envy, strife, and mutually assured destruction between us all.

"Discretion protects you. Compassion heals you. Understanding saves you." -- Thomas Hora

 

[axj]

If not, perhaps the multi-family or community and village approaches some pioneers are working on can succeed, but it must be done so carefully. Given our self-centeredness, our obsession with 'the material world,' and our collective spiritual ignorance, there are issues of collinearity, privacy, honesty, trust and contribution that must be very seriously considered.

Indeed, choosing the right people for a community or village like this is critical. While there seem to be more and more people interested in projects like this, even those who claim being spiritual seem to have a hard time dealing constructively with disagreements or proper communication.

A big part of it seems to be whether someone is able to not project their anger charges (that originate in childhood) on those who trigger an anger charge. This ability is what we have been looking for in people who wanted to join the more or less self-sustainable community we are building.

Another thing we noticed is that there can be waves of increased attacks, trying to find weaknesses in each member in order to make projects like this fail.

 

[Alejo]

leaving the old folks poverty-stricken and as good as dead. Killing at least four birds with one stone is BlackRock's forte.

And then make some extra cash on their way out with assisted euthanasia, I realize it cold and dark, but someone who reduces everything to a transaction is probably thinking it. Drive people to desperation and charge them a toll on their way out when they wish to escape.

 

[Seato]

I have also been seeing increasing anti boomer rhetoric in some of the UK alt media. I am fortunate that my parents (who are boomers) and many others I know are there to support their children when needed and seem aware of the changing economic climate over the years.

However, I do notice that when it comes to support for the establishment it seems as if it is strongest among the boomer generation. They feel mentally very locked into the UK’s two-party system often unerringly support one side or the other. They try and justify and reason away the contradictory actions of the Governments they support even when they openly confess to not understanding why it is doing the bad things it is doing. They are however more likely to be resistant to woke ideology.
Compare this to my grandparents who are still fairly propagandised, as they are not afraid to criticise their own side when they see idiocy in action.
Among the more propagandised younger people I know they tend to be more bound to ideology than specific people or organisations. This has the advantage that when they actually recognise real injustice (Israel vs Gaza) they are willing to attack the political establishment rather than just make excuses. They also tend to recognise the Middle East wars as sinister whilst many boomers I know still think Tony Blair did nothing wrong invading Iraq and accepted his non-apology.

My personal observation is that the boomer generation in the UK is one of the strongest supporters of the status quo and the least hostile to the establishment. I suspect this association with establishment support may be connected with the rising aggression towards boomers as the numbers of people angry with the establishment is ever growing. Of course, missing the fact that the boomers are just as much victims as everyone else.

 

[Mike]

I think this is a pretty good write up in relation to the topic. People and generations divided against themselves are easier to conquer. Those calling the shots and benefiting from those decisions all the way from 3D controllers to 4D STS either helped create the divide or enhance it online as people's suffering builds, imo. I guess the 'good' news is that all generations are likely to be entering a period where the suffering for all will be greatly increased, and then maybe a good portion of people will be open to see and place the blame where it is deserved and not on each other.

Boomers, Zoomers, Doom and Gloomers

Generational Divides As Engineered Social Sorting in the Colony of West Israel

thegoodcitizen.live

 

[Magnolia]

A viable solution for some could be a novel collaboration and cooperation between younger/older generations.

The boomers' have the house and land, the younger generations have (at a minimum) vitality, intelligence, strength and stamina. Plus some of the older generations have interesting backgrounds and and a mix of real, though often amateur, skills (like plumbing, electrical, gardening, animal husbandry, food preservation, fixing cars, fixing mechanical things, ham radio, fishing, organizational skills, critical path method planning). A cooperative composed of younger and older people might present advantages for everyone.

Let's hope some boomers have upsized (vs downsized) their living quarters as mentioned in the above article (Boomers, Zoomers, Doom and Gloomers). Then there would be adequate living space for different generations to live together, pitch in, and contribute their strengths to a new kind of collaborative 'family.'

 

[Beau]

A viable solution for some could be a novel collaboration and cooperation between younger/older generations.

The boomers' have the house and land, the younger generations have (at a minimum) vitality, intelligence, strength and stamina. Plus some of the older generations have interesting backgrounds and and a mix of real, though often amateur, skills (like plumbing, electrical, gardening, animal husbandry, food preservation, fixing cars, fixing mechanical things, ham radio, fishing, organizational skills, critical path method planning). A cooperative composed of younger and older people might present advantages for everyone.

Let's hope some boomers have upsized (vs downsized) their living quarters as mentioned in the above article (Boomers, Zoomers, Doom and Gloomers). Then there would be adequate living space for different generations to live together, pitch in, and contribute their strengths to a new kind of collaborative 'family.'

It's a good idea. From what I've seen, the vast majority of Boomers have no interest in that unfortunately.

 

[John G]

Let's hope some boomers have upsized (vs downsized) their living quarters as mentioned in the above article (Boomers, Zoomers, Doom and Gloomers). Then there would be adequate living space for different generations to live together, pitch in, and contribute their strengths to a new kind of collaborative 'family.'

The article did mention more 25-34 year olds living with their parents so it's happening a little out of necessity but that's not a new kind of family. Hippie communes were kind of a collaborative 'family' in the distant past for some boomers.

 

[BHelmet]

Anecdotal evidence is fine but it should be compared to real statistics. Stats can be tricky to interpret but the numbers are hardly trivial. The real numbers of young adults at home is probably in the 25-35% range (in US) and climbing. 3 out of my 4 kids have lived at home for various extended periods after they turned 21. Same goes for a lot of my friends and relatives. So, my anecdotal evidence is different than yours. But It doesn’t mean there aren’t scads of “selfish” (?) boomers.

 

[John G]

Anecdotal evidence is fine but it should be compared to real statistics. Stats can be tricky to interpret but the numbers are hardly trivial. The real numbers of young adults at home is probably in the 25-35% range (in US) and climbing. 3 out of my 4 kids have lived at home for various extended periods after they turned 21. Same goes for a lot of my friends and relatives. So, my anecdotal evidence is different than yours. But It doesn’t mean there aren’t scads of “selfish” (?) boomers.

I was born in 1961 so I'm at the very tail end of being a boomer. My 24 year old has always lived at home and been unemployed. My 27 year old moved out at 24 but will probably return home eventually according to him. We still pay his credit card bill. He is employed but has a salary less than my starting salary from 45 years ago. My thirty something single mom niece lives at home and she's partially employed. I help her out with babysitting and her job. It's a mess out there.