The "Rational Male and Female"? - Biology and Programs in Relationships

[dervishsam]

I think we can say with a good degree of certainty that biological factors have a great deal of influence when it comes to who men and women choose to mate with.

They do play role , what I was trying to say is that results are not necessary positive, they are opposite to evolutionary . Its clear that women prefer to date rich alpha males, however we see the effects it has on modern society, 80/20 rule didn't exist in medieval and feudal times, because we had caste system women had to chose someone from their caste they couldn't marry up. A more conservative values drive evolution where choices of women are actually limited. Liberal values ace counterproductive and destroying western society. (80/20 rule when 20% of alpha males have relationships with 80% of women) Conservative values are more conducive to evolutionary processes.

 

[Resistense]

I have read two of these books, iirc, (may be one), and read some of the blog postings by rollo at therationalmale.

I have not treated (or read) this thread properly, but I want to impart the main problem with this "evolutionary psychology" outgrowth, as I see it.

There is no accounting for "soul", consciousness, or the potential for females to acquire data that puts them on a level with males. There is rife misogony in this community, in my opinion, for this reason. Through the "evolutionary psychology" lens, people's motivations are reduced to the more basic, animalistic desires.

Creating friction between these lower desires and the higher aspirations is like "stilling the goat from feeding on the rose". Instead, men are encouraged to embrace their carnal desires and throw away thoughts of morality, because that goat is their nature (ancient Greek would disagree, and probably wrestle Rollo down and put him in a headlock).

There is some appeal, that I'd try to summarize as:

-"Mental Point of Origin" is close to self-remembering or observation, unless you make it an "internal considering" reference, which is how it seems applied... External considering is discouraged for "alphas". "Tolerate no disrespect", instead of keeping things IN PROPORTION (rational) and being able to stoically suffer insult (real macho stuff).

-"Outcome independence" - try things w/o attachment to results

-"The Feminine Imperative" - a strange formation, but in a way it categorizes a lot of what society does to repress the goat. Unfortuneately, equating this "oppression" with the feminine sets up a strawwoman whom potential hasnamuss rabid dogs are all too happy to gnaw at. It might be more like "rule of law" to keep the physically strongest from raping and pillaging.


That's what I can remember now. So there are appealing ideas (which, really, come from elsewhere) that are packaged into this broader frame-work which is built up on, "Evolutionary Psychology", which should be laughed off the stage. Boiling it down, these fools are OBSESSED with "perception-management". and sex. 80/20 stuff seems to me like agitprop. --My opinions.

 

[Andi]

Have you guys noticed this manosphere movement has gone wild in popularity? It had spread like wild fire, and every teenage kid now knows about it. I remember the Cs have said something along the lines of : "men will lose interest in women" or something like that.

What also seems to be true in western society in particular, is that too many women have gone way too far in attacking and blaming men. The rates of divorce are also sky high; no one is helping, and men are fed up with it. So they turn to the red pill ideology and the manosphere content creators, witch are now everywhere.

 

[Natus Videre]

Have you guys noticed this manosphere movement has gone wild in popularity? It had spread like wild fire, and every teenage kid now knows about it. I remember the Cs have said something along the lines of : "men will lose interest in women" or something like that.

What also seems to be true in western society in particular, is that too many women have gone way too far in attacking and blaming men. The rates of divorce are also sky high; no one is helping, and men are fed up with it. So they turn to the red pill ideology and the manosphere content creators, witch are now everywhere.

Yes, MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) is a movement targeted at young men fueled by older men who were 'damaged' by women.
It is a reactionary ideology aiming to counterbalance feminism by avoiding women entirely.



Where does this lead to?

Well, it starts with blaming a specific group (young women) for everything and then creating a fake reality to justify the ideology.
Material conquest is commonly used as proof: "Look, I'm free. I own a house, a boat, a motorcycle and I can go wherever I want. I wouldn't be able to do that if I had a lunatic wife enslaving my kids. You can do it too."
It gives a false sense of being 'right', not realizing that men are being programmed too...

With transhumanism (sterilization) just around the corner, such a movement only accelerates the disintegration of society.
Another example of "divide and conquer".

 

[Resistense]

@Andi,

Yes, MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) is a movement targeted at young men fueled by older men who were 'damaged' by women.
It is a reactionary ideology aiming to counterbalance feminism by avoiding women entirely.

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Where does this lead to?

Well, it starts with blaming a specific group (young women) for everything and then creating a fake reality to justify the ideology.
Material conquest is commonly used as proof: "Look, I'm free. I own a house, a boat, a motorcycle and I can go wherever I want. I wouldn't be able to do that if I had a lunatic wife enslaving my kids. You can do it too."
It gives a false sense of being 'right', not realizing that men are being programmed too...

With transhumanism (sterilization) just around the corner, such a movement only accelerates the disintegration of society.
Another example of "divide and conquer".

Yes, I do think it has gotten more popular, and thinking about it more I can see a pernicious hidden aspect.

It may not be a technically correct definition, but in a way, this could be a hetero-sexual version "pink-washing": bringing in hidden social change on the back-end of a "sexual liberation" front; a la Western democracies (but, in a crazy way, IMO). Following behind the philosophizing offering sexual liberation, luring men to Red Pill or MGTOW, is total depravity...

To quote a bit from Beelzebub's Tales on,

"...the word Hasnamuss in whom, among what are called 'Individual-impulses', a certain 'some-thing' arises, which participates in what is called the 'completed formation' of independent individualities in the common presences of three-brained beings both of the highest possible coating as well as of those who consist only of the planetary body alone.
"This 'something' in the separate cosmic individuals arises and blends in the process of the transformation of substances in them with the crystallizations resulting from the action of the entire 'spectrum' of what are called 'Naloo-osnian-impulses.'
"This 'Naloo-osnian-spectrum-of-impulses' consists, on the basis of that chief cosmic law, the sacred Heptapara-parshinokh, according to the source of its essence in respect of the 'perception-of-engenderings', and the 'resulting-manifestations,' of seven heterogneous aspects.
"If these separate aspects of the entire 'spectrum' of Naloo-osnian-impulses are described according to the notions of your favorites and expressed in their language, they might then be defined as follows:
(1) Every kind of depravity, conscious as well as uncon-scious
(2) The feeling of self-satisfaction from leading others astray
(3) The irresistible inclination to destroy the existence of other breathing creatures
(4) The urge to become free from the necessity of actualiz-ing the being efforts demanded by Nature
(5) The attempt by every kind of artificiality to conceal from others what in their opinion are one's physical defects
(6) The calm self-contentment in the use of what is not personally deserved
(7) The striving to be not what one is.

"This certain 'something' which arises in the pres-ences of definite individuals owing to the enumerated Naloo-osnian-impulses, besides being the cause of what are called 'serious-retributive-suffering-consequences' for these individuals themselves, also has the particularity, that as soon as the action of what is called 'intense-effort' ceases in one of these individuals, the radiations proper to one or other of the aspects of the manifestations of this 'soething' have a greater effect on those around him and become a factor for engendering the same in them."... pgs. 405-406, Destruction of Ashiata Shiemash's Labors
Penguin Compass 1964; G.I. Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, 1950. arr

 

[Sybill]

Wow. I just read this thread. It was a rollercoaster alright! Some many deception, lies, manipulation, and psychopathic games. And for why? Manipulative and dishonest relationships. I haven't read the books, I can't justify vulgarity for any reason. But I saw the video. Shocking. I guess, as mentioned before, it relates to immaturity.
I have to admit, this Putin business made me laugh. He was always a sort of young Corleone for me, not a sexy Russian billionaire.
I guess I'm getting old. I'll go and check the guy out, maybe I missed something.

 

[Menna]

What doesn't play a role in relationships? I can't think of one thing that doesn't.

A level of manipulation inserted into a relationship to me means no one is truly trying or wants a lower stress life