The Vegetarian Myth

[Possibility of Being]

I write through Google translate. It doesn't always translate smoothly. Sometimes it turns out complete crap, but I don't even know about it. If anything, direct your complaints to those bastards from Google. ;). My head often "burns" with or without reason.

Try DeepL as suggested; it's not perfect but better than G-gle. But keep in mind that jokes, irony and sarcasm can be lost in translation. Well, even with a good translation some jokes are hard to be understood within a multinational community like this one. One more thing that may help is posting both versions - the English translation first, followed by the original embedded in spoiler tags, like this:

Spoiler: In Ru

Место для вашего сообщения в оригинале.

You can find the option under the three vertical dots.

There are Russian speakers here, so if we have the original text, someone can help in case a misunderstanding occurs.

 

[katarinak]

I've been here on this forum for quite a while and today I was reading the discussion on the November session with Cs. I was surprised to see that the link to vegetarianism and brain tumours was discussed. That's why I went to check out the thread on vegetarianism as well. And what I see here is the same banter between people who eat meat and those who don't.

I think, and Cs have said, that by being different and individual, something different is good for everyone. For someone it's a diet with more meat in it, for someone without meat.I see odin433's message as a joke and a hint that it's not the diet that moves us up, it's that it's worthwhile to make the effort to work on your inner.

I've been a vegetarian for 12 years and I feel much better than before. Also, health-wise, I don't get sick like I used to(not even through the COVID period). I have to admit that 10-12 years ago I perceived the vegetarian way of life as "something more" compared to people who ate meat. Once in a vegan restaurant, a lady asked me if I was vegan. I said that I was vegetarian. She replied that I would definitely one day "take it to the next level" and become vegan. This was the turning point. I realized that to feel special because you don't eat meat and even more special because you don't eat dairy, eggs, cheese... is pretty stupid.

So please don't be angry with me, but I had to write it here to this discussion that it is not good if someone with a different opinion is dismissed. Today, I still order a meatless food at a restaurant, but I no longer point out that I don't eat meat. It is not good to create differences between ourselves because of whether or not we eat meat. I think if one can listen to his/her inner self, he/she can figure out what's good for him/her (I'm thinking in terms of diet at the moment).

 

[Ruth]

Okay, guys. My joke was a success, you can see for yourself. Someone began to hate me, most reacted purely mechanically. I'm absolutely not mad at you, my spirit has been outside of "your world" for a long time, you just can't get to me. I wish you to react more consciously and, accordingly, be a little better than you have shown yourself now.

Um, we actually don't care. If you want to be part of this forum it requires you to actually .... "grow a set", whatever that means. That isn't anyone elses business, but your own.

 

[iamthatis]

I've been here on this forum for quite a while and today I was reading the discussion on the November session with Cs. I was surprised to see that the link to vegetarianism and brain tumours was discussed. That's why I went to check out the thread on vegetarianism as well. And what I see here is the same banter between people who eat meat and those who don't.

I think, and Cs have said, that by being different and individual, something different is good for everyone. For someone it's a diet with more meat in it, for someone without meat.I see odin433's message as a joke and a hint that it's not the diet that moves us up, it's that it's worthwhile to make the effort to work on your inner.

I've been a vegetarian for 12 years and I feel much better than before. Also, health-wise, I don't get sick like I used to(not even through the COVID period). I have to admit that 10-12 years ago I perceived the vegetarian way of life as "something more" compared to people who ate meat. Once in a vegan restaurant, a lady asked me if I was vegan. I said that I was vegetarian. She replied that I would definitely one day "take it to the next level" and become vegan. This was the turning point. I realized that to feel special because you don't eat meat and even more special because you don't eat dairy, eggs, cheese... is pretty stupid.

So please don't be angry with me, but I had to write it here to this discussion that it is not good if someone with a different opinion is dismissed. Today, I still order a meatless food at a restaurant, but I no longer point out that I don't eat meat. It is not good to create differences between ourselves because of whether or not we eat meat. I think if one can listen to his/her inner self, he/she can figure out what's good for him/her (I'm thinking in terms of diet at the moment).

Well, feeling better isn't always the best reason for doing something, is it? Laura has written in the Wave that our Higher Self is accessed by making conscious choices based on a spiritual perception of objective reality. That often means feeling worse, sometimes a lot worse, AKA suffering, by choosing to do what is right regardless of how we feel about it.

Thinking in terms of a school metaphor, it sure does 'feel better' to skip a lesson rather than to sit down and learn it! Less stress, sure, but no growth.

About different opinions being dismissed, it's important to do exactly this, as part of the collective network attempt to describe and navigate objective reality in a world of subjective illusion. If we were to act on the basis that everyone's opinion is of equal value, then we're in the postmodernist situation where 'my truth' is supreme, AKA there is no truth, emotions are a justifiable means making decisions, facts don't matter, and reality is what you make of it. In other words, it's a recipe for wishful thinking. If someone's opinion is dismissed on the basis of the facts, and they feel hurt, it's often because they were overly-identified with it, and haven't done enough Work to be able to take constructive criticism.

So yeah, keep on being a vegetarian if you choose, but I think it's a mistake on the basis that animal fat and protein is optimal for human health, which isn't really an opinion as it's backed up by decades of research. If you don't like that, fair enough, I didn't like lots of things that I have changed since I first started out, so I can understand the resistance. What I'd say is that it's important to consider that every single one of our long-standing life choices when we first begin the Work should be held up to scrutiny, and often intense scrutiny, on the basis of the C's info, and the knowledge gathered by the network here. The reason why is because our minds can be controlled by 4D STS, and our culture has been shaped by psychopaths, so we can't trust our mode of perception and therefore our choices until we've tuned our reading instrument to be able to question our mind itself and the extent to which we've been manipulated. That means being willing to sacrifice who we are in service of who we might become.

 

[Keit]

I write through Google translate. It doesn't always translate smoothly. Sometimes it turns out complete crap, but I don't even know about it. If anything, direct your complaints to those bastards from Google. ;). My head often "burns" with or without reason.

I echo the recommendation to use Deepl. Yandex has a pretty good translator too.

And also about sarcasm. It looks like you may use it a lot in your communication. And for Russian speakers it is normal. But it is important to remember that in most cases sarcasm does not translate well into other languages. There is even a joke on this subject:

“Russians use so much sarcasm in speech that at first it can be taken at face value. They use sarcasm all the time. Don't be frightened. One day you'll understand, maybe.”

That is, here we should take into account not only language differences, but also the difference in mentality. In face-to-face communication at least you can pay attention to intonation, gestures and facial expressions, but in such online communication it turns out that you should try to be very clear.

For clarity, you can do as I do. Write the English translation, and in the spoiler put the text in Russian. If anything, Russian-speaking forum members can read and explain.

And since the main purpose of this forum is self-development, I recommend you to read the following article on the hidden motives of using sarcasm. I will not presume that this article may be relevant for you. It may not be relevant after all. But it might be useful.

Spoiler: НА РУССКОМ

Я присоединяюсь к рекомендации использовать Deepl. У Яндекса тоже неплохой переводчик.

И еще про сарказм. Выглядит, что вы, возможно, часто используете его в своем общении. И для русскоговорящих это нормальное явлние. Но важно помнить, что в большинстве случаев сарказм плохо переводится на другие языки. Даже есть вот такая шутка на эту тему:



То есть, тут надо учитывать не только языковые различия, а также разницу в менталитете. В личном общении хоть можно обращать внимание на интонацию, жестикуляцию и выражение лица, а в таком онлайн общении получается, что надо стараться быть предельно ясными.

Для пущей ясности, вы можете делать как я. Писать английский перевод, а в спойлере текс на русском. Если что, русскоговорящие участники форума могут прочитать и пояснить.

Ну и так как главной целью этого форума является саморазвитие, то рекомендую почитать следующую статью на тему скрытых мотивов использования сарказма. Не берусь предпологать, что в этой статье может быть релевантно именно для вас. Может быть ничего. Но может быть и будет полезным.

 

[katarinak]

Well, feeling better isn't always the best reason for doing something, is it? Laura has written in the Wave that our Higher Self is accessed by making conscious choices based on a spiritual perception of objective reality. That often means feeling worse, sometimes a lot worse, AKA suffering, by choosing to do what is right regardless of how we feel about it.

Thinking in terms of a school metaphor, it sure does 'feel better' to skip a lesson rather than to sit down and learn it! Less stress, sure, but no growth.

About different opinions being dismissed, it's important to do exactly this, as part of the collective network attempt to describe and navigate objective reality in a world of subjective illusion. If we were to act on the basis that everyone's opinion is of equal value, then we're in the postmodernist situation where 'my truth' is supreme, AKA there is no truth, emotions are a justifiable means making decisions, facts don't matter, and reality is what you make of it. In other words, it's a recipe for wishful thinking. If someone's opinion is dismissed on the basis of the facts, and they feel hurt, it's often because they were overly-identified with it, and haven't done enough Work to be able to take constructive criticism.

So yeah, keep on being a vegetarian if you choose, but I think it's a mistake on the basis that animal fat and protein is optimal for human health, which isn't really an opinion as it's backed up by decades of research. If you don't like that, fair enough, I didn't like lots of things that I have changed since I first started out, so I can understand the resistance. What I'd say is that it's important to consider that every single one of our long-standing life choices when we first begin the Work should be held up to scrutiny, and often intense scrutiny, on the basis of the C's info, and the knowledge gathered by the network here. The reason why is because our minds can be controlled by 4D STS, and our culture has been shaped by psychopaths, so we can't trust our mode of perception and therefore our choices until we've tuned our reading instrument to be able to question our mind itself and the extent to which we've been manipulated. That means being willing to sacrifice who we are in service of who we might become.

The reason I found the courage to post in this thread opposing vegaterianism is the realization that seeing one side or the other as the one and only correct side is not, in my opinion, STO. Everyone has the right to choose what they think is right due to their free will. Even you that you will eat meat and me that I won't.

BTW my decision not to eat meat it was "accidental" and for serious health reasons. And while maybe not eating meat also made those health problems went away, I felt better and stopped being sick, therefore I really don't see any real reason to go back to eating meat yet. It was definitely a life lesson for me to stop eating meat.

You write about doing what one doesn't like. Yes, even this post in this thread is not a pleasure for me because I write in a place where 99 people have some opinion and mine is different. So it's only a matter of time before one hits a wall. This is definitely a lesson for me as well, because if you are not with us, you are going against us.

I believe that I don't have the "essence of a cow" in me, nor am I the OP, and that we should act on the basis that everyone's opinion has value, because how are you going to learn to distinguish between what is real and what is true? Only through your own experience. And just because in a group of 100 people 99 people have 1 opinion and 1 person has a different opinion doesn't mean that 1 person is wrong.

 

[Chu]

BTW my decision not to eat meat it was "accidental" and for serious health reasons. And while maybe not eating meat also made those health problems went away, I felt better and stopped being sick, therefore I really don't see any real reason to go back to eating meat yet. It was definitely a life lesson for me to stop eating meat.

You write about doing what one doesn't like. Yes, even this post in this thread is not a pleasure for me because I write in a place where 99 people have some opinion and mine is different. So it's only a matter of time before one hits a wall. This is definitely a lesson for me as well, because if you are not with us, you are going against us.

I believe that I don't have the "essence of a cow" in me, nor am I the OP, and that we should act on the basis that everyone's opinion has value, because how are you going to learn to distinguish between what is real and what is true? Only through your own experience. And just because in a group of 100 people 99 people have 1 opinion and 1 person has a different opinion doesn't mean that 1 person is wrong.

If being a vegetarian is something you want to do (and you have your reasons), then that's fine, I think. As you well know, our research (and personal experiences) tell us that not being one is better for most of us. BUT, there is something to say for the power of belief, and for people's systems not all being equal (and by that I'm not implying you are "less" in any way). Some people just don't do well on meat (even if they are VERY rare, according to the research I've come across. Usually it's due to specific genetic mutations, for example). Keep in mind, though, that in some cases, it's not that meat is bad for them, but that they have a digestive issue of one sort of another, and that fixing that, allows them later to digest meat better. Also, we have to take into accounts the benefits at a physical level, yes, but also at mental and emotional level.

That said, we know people who, after being vegetarians for many years and feeling very well like that, started eating just a little bit of meat to see what happened, and felt even better. Or there are those who eat a bit of meat not for the "pleasure" of it, but because they resonate with the idea that animals have a higher consciousness and they need it. It's a personal choice, though. So, the only thing I would say is that, in my humble opinion, it's best to never be closed to one option or the other. As you gather more data, more life experiences or whatever, you might find that your organism (or your mind and emotional states!) need something different, and that's ok.

I do like what you wrote about not showing off or making it obvious to others that you are a vegetarian. THAT's a bad kind of vegetarian, if you ask me! The ones that take the moral high ground. Lierre Keith described them very well in her book, The Vegetarian Myth. I think it's worth reading, if you haven't. Not to convince you of anything, but simply to acquire knowledge of the types of "fanatic" vegetarians there are, and why you don't want to be one of them.

Anyway, just some thoughts, for what they are worth.

 

[katarinak]

Keep in mind, though, that in some cases, it's not that meat is bad for them, but that they have a digestive issue of one sort of another, and that fixing that, allows them later to digest meat better. Also, we have to take into accounts the benefits at a physical level, yes, but also at mental and emotional level.

Dear Chu, thank you very much for your words, I appreciate it

Yes, I understand that, and I'm not actually opposed to eating meat. It's about how I feel about it in the future. On a physical, mental and emotional level, I see a significant improvement from when I was eating meat. Again, it probably sounds different, but I really don't see even the slightest sign of deterioration in any of those areas. The only thing I perceived was a grounding that was weaker, but I've managed to adjust that over the 12 years.

So, the only thing I would say is that, in my humble opinion, it's best to never be closed to one option or the other. As you gather more data, more life experiences or whatever, you might find that your organism (or your mind and emotional states!) need something different, and that's ok.

I'm not closing and thank you for the reminder, I believe that time will show how it will go on. Overall I think that food is just something that keeps our bodies alive and it's what our insides tell us that matters. I perceive that it's okay to eat meat, whoever likes it and is comfortable with it, and not to eat it as well. Cs were talking about fanatical vegetarians, which I also perceive as not correct, as well as the opposite side.

The ones that take the moral high ground. Lierre Keith described them very well in her book, The Vegetarian Myth. I think it's worth reading, if you haven't.

No I haven't read this book, thank you for pointing it out.

I like this cassopeia group, even though it's been a short time since I've been here. I was surprised to read today in the Session November 2024 thread where they linked vegetarianism to weakened immunity, so I went to read more on this topic here in this thread. It was like finding out that being a vegetarian is bad. I really don't think so from my point of view, and I believe that everyone's journey is unique, so you can't put everyone in 1 bag. I am surprised what feelings it brought out in me...

Have a nice evening a once more thank you for your words