The Vegetarian Myth

[Nienna]

This video adds a bit more to the vegetarian/fruit myth. Our vegetables and fruits of today are totally different, in a big way, from what they were originally like. And, many of them were inedible.

 

[truepositive]

I am feeling more gnostic/ cathar about the whole distribution of 'stuff' lately. Certified 4D has no killing for sustenance involved? Well prove it to me then.

 

[truepositive]

The vegetarian myth transforms into the consumption myth, and the tale of parasytic operation. Eating specific material to gain energy seems nonsensical and real.

 

[Fluffy]

I am feeling more gnostic/ cathar about the whole distribution of 'stuff' lately. Certified 4D has no killing for sustenance involved? Well prove it to me then.

Well you might have to prove it to yourself. I assume when/if you get there (4D) you’ll still have ‘time’ to decide which orientation you want to be so in that ‘time’ you’ll likely kill to eat and try out serving others with your energy and letting them serve you with theirs…. Or am I not understanding your question correctly?

 

[goyacobol]

I personally greet the moment where killing something to eat it isn’t a necessity to life. I accept this is the nature of a STS realm though I have never witnessed a slaughter in person I can imagine it would cause me a great deal of discomfort.

Having said that, killing something (even a person) in self defence, kill or be killed, doesn’t have the same hurt about it. In fact it doesn’t hurt at all to consider it.
I’ve dreamed and imagined scenarios where I’ve had to do what I had to do, it was me or them, from that perspective it’s just a job that needed to be done and something warrior like inside me takes over with incredible strength, stoicism and skill to perform a rear naked choke on the attacker. I’d rather not use weapons, but I do consider the cast iron pans we have an asset. We also have a few swords, and a traditional handcrafted Fijian skull crusher that I’ve imagined needing to use. and using with precision.

I would, without a doubt, kill something with the intent to eat it, but I can’t see myself ever being comfortable with the idea.

I think I can understand how you feel. Growing up our elementary school was next to a home where they had a pig butchering day. We heard the one shot when they killed the pig and saw some of the butchering process through a woven fence on the school grounds.

I think it is how "humane" the killing process is that can make a difference.

Also some animals like wild boars with tusks can be quite intimidating and may not be that difficult to want to kill if charging towards a hunter I think.

I think as we rise in density there is less need for the kind of food we have now in 3rd density. The Cs were asked about "feeding" in an early session:

Session 10 December 1994:

Q: (T) How do we feed on the positive energy?

A: Progression toward union with the one, I.E. level 7.

Q: (L) In other words, you fuel your own generator instead of fueling someone else's. (T) You are at level 6, what do you feed on?

A: You have the wrong concept. We give to others and receive from others of the STO. We feed each other.

Q: (L) So, by feeding each other you move forward and grow but those of the STS path do not feed each other so must feed off of others. (T) Now, you are talking to us now. This is considered STO?

A: Yes.

 

[iamthatis]

Canada's Bill C-293 proposes that, in case of a new pandemic, industrial livestock facilities be shut, switching to the production of 'alternative proteins'.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838715351950876750

Is Bill C-293 Canada's "Vegan Act"?Bill C-293, a private member's bill, stands as one of the most unreal pieces of legislation I have witnessed in my career. If enacted, this bill would empower public health officials to shutter facilities identified as "high-risk," including meat packing plants, during a pandemic. It would also "mandate" the consumption of vegetable proteins by Canadians.

This bill sailed through Parliament with alarming ease, underscoring the prevailing dysfunction and disconnection within the body. Under normal circumstances, such a proposal would falter at the first reading. The Senate now faces the challenge of deliberating on this poorly crafted legislation, which proposes to give the government sweeping powers to dictate production and dietary choices during a pandemic. Wow.

Looks to be true.

Private Member's Bill C-293 (44-1) - First Reading - Pandemic Prevention and Preparedness Act - Parliament of Canada

Private Member's Bill C-293 (44-1) - First Reading - Pandemic Prevention and Preparedness Act - Parliament of Canada

www.parl.ca

• (l) after consultation with the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, the Minister of Industry and provincial governments, provide for measures to
  • (i) reduce the risks posed by antimicrobial resistance,
  • (ii) regulate commercial activities that can contribute to pandemic risk, including industrial animal agriculture,
  • (iii) promote commercial activities that can help reduce pandemic risk, including the production of alternative proteins, and
  • (iv) phase out commercial activities that disproportionately contribute to pandemic risk, including activities that involve high-risk species;

 

[Alejo]

I think as we rise in density there is less need for the kind of food we have now in 3rd density. The Cs were asked about "feeding" in an early session:

But there's also quite a bit more to feeding, and life, than the purely physical notion of consuming flesh. I think there might be a relationship between where the ideas of vegetarianism originated and OPs, and I think the C's might've mentioned something along the lines, and the reason it matters I think is because if you conceive life as purely physical then killing a living being is wrong no matter how you spin it. Although the moral debate has changed over the years.

But plants are also alive, and are themselves consuming minerals from the earth, and dead animals, sun and CO2, and it may help the notion if one doesn't exclusively understand it as consumption but transformation. Which is where I feel that the idea of life being more than physical actually could help this discussion. If life doesn't end at the death of the physical body of a plant or an animal, and instead in transforms into larger and more complex forms of existence then the idea of feeding stops seeming purely consumptive, and it becomes more harmonious.

I am reminded of this quote from one of the recent sessions:

A: Information! Note the fact that grass of a certain nature provided this. Apply that principle to foods. Studies are most often of little value because subjects are self-selecting. A truly random group is almost never seen. Weighing and measuring constituents of a substance can be indicative if the potentials of information are taken into account. This is why pork is better for advanced humans than beef or many other meats. The information of the pig is more in line with the direction of the human. The meat of the pig is composed of proteins with similar receivership capacity.

To illustrate the point I was making above, the information that the proteins in the pig have that make it more in line with a human didn't originate randomly, they were also formed by the information that the pig itself was consuming, and I suppose a similar case could be made for whatever feeds off of us. Which brings me to this session from 2011:

A: No not exactly. When humankind "fell" into gross matter, a way was needed to return. This way simply is a manifestation of the natural laws. Consciousness must "eat" also. This is a natural function of the life giving nature of the environment in balance. The Earth is the Great Mother who gives her body, literally, in the form of creatures with a certain level of consciousness for the sustenance of her children of the cosmos. This is the original meaning of those sayings.

So, perhaps the issue is not so much with the killing to consume, maybe the answer is our relationship with and understanding of that killing and our attitude towards it. I do think that "killing to consume because it suits me", is very different than understanding what the C's said about our place within that natural cycle of transforming the flesh of the earth (and its information) into consciousness, but the killing/taking of that flesh of the earth remains.

 

[goyacobol]

So, perhaps the issue is not so much with the killing to consume, maybe the answer is our relationship with and understanding of that killing and our attitude towards it. I do think that "killing to consume because it suits me", is very different than understanding what the C's said about our place within that natural cycle of transforming the flesh of the earth (and its information) into consciousness, but the killing/taking of that flesh of the earth remains.

Thanks, @Alejo. I think that is an important concept that I have often tried to understand and perhaps many vegetarians also struggle to accept killing for food (although eating vegetables is also a form of "killing" the plant).


It is kind of strange how close to the Gaia "movement/resurrection" this idea may be related. "Great Mother" earth seems to be a way of saying you are loved even though there is a natural system of life and death that appears often to be a cruel, it is a part of lessons to rise above killing and become less physically dependent on the material existence.

Also in the session (Session 20 August 2011) I think the idea we "fell" from a higher state and are now learning that we should consider eating as a "sacrament" if we must work our way back and upwards.

Q: (L) Yes. (Burma) So it sounds like they're saying that there's a hidden thing in the whole resurrection or salvation by the blood thing. That agriculture is evil and we could return by going on an animal-based diet?

A: No not exactly. When humankind "fell" into gross matter, a way was needed to return. This way simply is a manifestation of the natural laws. Consciousness must "eat" also. This is a natural function of the life giving nature of the environment in balance. The Earth is the Great Mother who gives her body, literally, in the form of creatures with a certain level of consciousness for the sustenance of her children of the cosmos. This is the original meaning of those sayings.

Q: (L) So, eating flesh also means eating consciousness which accumulates, I'm assuming is what is being implied here, or what feeds our consciousness so that it grows in step with our bodies? Is that close?

A: Close enough.

Q: (Ailen) And when you eat veggies you're basically eating a much lower level of consciousness. (L) Not only that, but in a sense you're rejecting the gift and you're not feeding consciousness. And that means that all eating of meat should be a sacrament.

A: Yes

Although in a way this "sacrement" requires more of a sense of responsibility, I think the Cs are telling us we should always try to "rise" to the next level.

Sesson 7 January 1995:

Q: (L) Is it not also beneficial to understand the 1st and 2nd density levels as well, just simply for the exercise in understanding that which is below us?

A: Strive always to rise.

Q: (V) Haven't we already done our 1st and 2nd level work as evolving souls?

A: Yes.

Q: (V) So there is no reason to step back. (T) Who eats the Lizzies on the 4th level?

A: No one. 4th is the last density for full manifestation of STS.

Q: (T) So, beings on the 5th and 6th level exist in pure energy?

A: Yes.