The work sub-forum

[shijing]

I mourn the temporary loss of "The Work" section and look forward to one day walking through the "50 Post" pearly gates.

We're looking forward to that day too, James Henry :)

 

[cicero]

Access Denied

I've found myself locked-out of certain boards as I've been navigating around the forum looking for the kind of meaty issues I enjoy. Tonight was an example, and I wound up mistakenly overwriting inside a quote to make my point, posted it (in Environmental Issues, Mother Of All Gushers), and then logged out in frustration.

Below is the mistaken overwritten quote box, intact. It should be obvious where the actual quote ends (including the thread I attempted to access), and where my mistaken overwrite began. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, and if Admins would like some sincere input on other qualifying measurements, I'd certainly be happy to post some suggestions.

Hi jelyfish. About ATS, this is most likely a disinfo website. You may wish to spend some time reading this thread.

As a Newbie I've come to appreciate the fact that many long-time members may not be aware that when they're linking to certain sites in a post, they may be off-limits to Newbies. It makes me realize that there's a high probability that a significant number of people may post one-liners just to get their post quota up. I'm certainly not gonna' resort to that method of qualifying just to have access, and a part of me doesn't even want to know the reason. I did see that there was an exclusion based on some some suspicious forum member who may be a stalker, and I guess I can sympathize with that unfortunate circumstance. But yesterday I was locked-out of a Dolores Cannon thread that I'd wanted to see just because I'm pretty familiar with her work (and have lots of reservations about it).

So qualified posters may want to take notice of when they're posting links that the receiver may not be qualified to view it.

And perhaps the administration may want to consider some other measure of qualifying, and I'm not gonna touch anything where it comes to how one may qualify, because I've never concerned myself with anyone else's qualifications. Kinda makes me wonder how much others may be missing in places where potentially meaningful contributors are denied access.

 

[Vulcan59]

Hi cicero,

I edited your post here to differentiate your post and your quote. :)

I've also merge this topic that you started, meaning that I placed it here since this topic already discusses the same subject. And Laura stated the reasons for having "private areas" here and here.

I'm sure I'm not alone in this, and if Admins would like some sincere input on other qualifying measurements, I'd certainly be happy to post some suggestions.

I would certainly like to hear your suggestions. :)

 

[herondancer]

Hi cicero,

The Forum is an evolving entity, therefore all suggestions regarding improving its functionalityare considered seriously, if not always implemented. We welcome the chance to refine it as a place of research and information exchange.

I look forward to your ideas.

Herondancer

 

[cicero]

Re: Access Denied

As a Newbie (only 16 posts now), I don't want to appear as one who is deliberately 'making waves' (pun seriously intended), but there is something very wrong in a system where the Cs (our Mentors?) have suggested that we begin acting like we're already in 4th density, but the forum administration seems to be carrying on 'business as usual' as though we should continue to be practicing 3rd density STS where the 'access denied' policy relies on a wholly contrived premise that somehow one qualifies simply because he/she has reached a certain number of posts.

In a private exchange I've had with Vulcan59 about this subject, I pointed out that I could simply paste 'welcome newbie' to every Newbie who posts to the forum and get my 'score' up to a 'qualifying level'. Does anyone else see the absurdity in that?

And if it may appear to be equally absurd, couldn't someone assume that the Lizzies have taken over the administration of the forum? Yes, of course I'm making analogies here with artistic license, but somehow the point needs to be made.

I consider myself no better than other very serious posters who have made it their life's work to investigate and participate in the mysteries of this playground we call reality, and you know who you are, and at least some number have engaged me with serious replies to my own posts here. Somehow the administration (boy, does that sound diehard 3rd density!) has to get to the level of what we're supposed to be doing here in a heightened appreciation of who and what the participants really and truly represent, and maybe invoke some higher level cognition to determine who should have access to what boards based on the deeper perceptions of each individual poster, Newbie or 'the force is strong with this one' long-time members/posters.

If someone is going to determine the 'strength of my force' based on the number of posts I've made, perhaps we should set up a committee with a Ouija Board to invoke an equally 'strong force' that could sort through the energies associated with each poster. Where I've seen many posts to Newbies welcoming them with a simple 'welcome to the forum' reply (which I am certainly not defaming), my own welcomes have been tailored to each Newbie individually, and others have done likewise. I'm talking content here, which seems to have no place on the gauge of (3rd density) quantity.

My Avatar on this forum is Cicero, because I have always admired his having risen to the occasion of every trial as though it were an opportunity to be at cause, rather than simply accept that 'that's the way it is'. If the administration of the forum really wants to engage a 4th density approach to determinations about who should have access to what boards, who among them will take it upon themselves to engage their own seeing as to the nature of a poster and his/her 'worthiness' to access the boards carte blanche, as opposed to a system based on sci fi movies and virtual reality games that have gotten global societies (but more especially Americans) addicted to unrealistic expectations of entitlements, where only the (Darwinistic) strong survive? And wouldn't that same 'gut level' seeing lead someone to identify this stalker they've suspected of haunting the boards?

I had very high hopes in joining this forum, where I have already previously said elsewhere that I am NOT a joiner, and primarily because I don't want the associations of others' misguided ideas to be mistaken for my own. Who are we?

And please, if you're finding yourself offended by my honesty, go within and deal with it before you allow your anger to be directed at me before the audience of this forum. I am only the messenger, but in the stead of those for whom I speak, these are the sincere expressions of issues which need to be addressed by those who are in the position to do so.

And I thank You for All who are so disposed.

 

[Nawd]

Hi cicero,

I try to only speak of my personal experience and stuff, so here it goes, for what it is worth (two pence, two cents, maybe nothing).

When I first came to this site, I signed up to the yahoo group to read, first. That was like five years ago. Still I didn't start posting. I instead read and learned.

When I finally decided that I really, really wanted to ask a question and participate in the forum, that was back in 2007 and I know it might seem strange, but at that time I may or may not have had access to particular forums. I didn't really think about it, it's 'their house'' as it were.

So here I am, years later with, I don't know, some amount of posts, and you know what else? I have not yet decided to become a member of the Fellowship of the Cosmic Mind and that restricts me from another section of the forum (I think). However that doesn't bother me, I have my research and I have decided to join such when and if I am ready to make the jump. Until then, I do add ideas and thoughts etc, but I do NOT feel restricted. There is so much to join in, and so much still to learn, that I personally don't care what is 'not available for me,' because there is so much that IS available.

Honestly cicero, sometimes things just don't work the way you want things to work. Sometimes when you go to someone Else's' house, they have rules for a reason. And if you look and learn, you will find out those reasons.

edit: Space bar freak out which caused some strange issues.

 

[thevenusian]

Re: Access Denied

As a Newbie (only 16 posts now), I don't want to appear as one who is deliberately 'making waves' (pun seriously intended), but there is something very wrong in a system where the Cs (our Mentors?) have suggested that we begin acting like we're already in 4th density, but the forum administration seems to be carrying on 'business as usual' as though we should continue to be practicing 3rd density STS where the 'access denied' policy relies on a wholly contrived premise that somehow one qualifies simply because he/she has reached a certain number of posts.....

I'm curious whether you would be putting this amount of energy into this issue if, when you arrived here the 50-post rule was already in place?

I ask only because the tone of your posts seems to be that you are personally offended at being denied access that you feel you deserve. I apologize if I have misread that, and mean no offense. My impression is not that the administrators of this forum seek to evaluate the worthiness of each member, but rather act as best they can to protect the entire group and still maintain as open a door as possible. Since we members did not start, and do not maintain this forum, perhaps a bit of trust and acceptance is in order if we find something of value here?

 

[Guardian]

Re: Access Denied

And please, if you're finding yourself offended by my honesty,

I'm not "offended by your honesty" ...but I am amazed by your impatience and lack of consideration for others.

I'm curious...have you given even a moments thought to the person or persons the policy was changed to protect? How about the hosts who've given you free access to thousands of interesting threads where you can ramble on and on about how much you've studied to your heart's content? Doesn't posting a "I want more NOW" message strike you as rather rude?

Why is getting instant access to the one semi-private forum so important to you? Oh...and do you think that naming yourself after a mouthy politician who got his head cut off and pins stuck through his tongue is the kind of energy you really want to attract to yourself?

 

[cicero]

Hello Dawn, and thank you for jumping in to the thread.

I don't what your intentions may have been in coming to the forum, and I won't make any presumptions. Your energy in responding was sweet, almost innocent. I, on the other hand, was led to this forum by forces beyond me, and while I am a good person, and probably a sweetheart to boot, I long ago lost my innocence when I began deprogramming, and I'm simply pursuing a hunger that many on this forum can understand, especially Laura. In that respect, you could probably say that I'm a bad boy, and I've never had a problem with that when it comes to needing to know. I've had to pay a very high price, but it's always been worth it.

If I had been denied access on only one occasion, I may have let it go. In fact, I never said a word about it at all until it happened so many times that I had to find out why. Approaching sixty-one, and I don't know if you can relate, I've been at this for a really long time (in 3rd density terms, and in previous lifetimes also), and the kinds of input I need are evolving exponentially as the knowledge I do get expands my level of understanding. I have no doubt that I am NOT alone in this, and I could name names on this forum who I am certain are exactly like me, but many of them are relative old-timers here. You can't imagine what it must be like to be on the track of something so many times, click a link, and be told you are denied access.

When I clicked a Dolores Cannon link the other night, with whose work I am very familiar, and about which I have many reservations, and was denied access, I hit my limit of not knowing why, and made a direct inquiry. I am telling you this for the benefit of others as well. I'm not going to just go jumping into posts when I have nothing meaningful to say, and my feeling is that it should have been obvious after my first few posts that I was a serious investigator. For me, the quantitative standard is about as contrived as any 3rd density standard you'll find, and I don't mean to be offensive to those who devised it. But if you think about it, its the reason we have so many unqualified professionals in government, for example, because they had the points to graduate and get degrees, but they're morons.

I'm only asking for a qualitative standard. The stalker is probably thinking he's only got to get through so many more posts to continue stalking. See? Will that stop him?

Finally, I have to ask whose house this is when you put it in the terms you did. as Laura replied to me in a post, the idea is to get the critical mass, and that means everyone. A forum is everyone's house until someone becomes offensive, and that will never be me. I hope you'll try to empathize and wrap your your own mind around that. One day you may want even more yourself, because you, like all of us here, are evolving, and you never know where it will lead.

And thank you again.

 

[cicero]

Guardian, for someone who isn't offended you seem to be generating a lot of hostility. If that makes you feel better, please, have at it.

As far as the 'one semi-private forum' to which I want to have access, I'm not sure how you could know where I've wanted to navigate, but the number is in the tens, at least.

While you're doing your Guardian work, please, avoid my door, and impose your judgments on yourself. Perhaps you could take the time to notice that I never imposed any upon anyone on this forum.

 

[vinny]

Re: Access Denied

If someone is going to determine the 'strength of my force' based on the number of posts I've made, perhaps we should set up a committee with a Ouija Board to invoke an equally 'strong force' that could sort through the energies associated with each poster.

That would be cheating . We're in 3rd density, to learn the lessons appropriate to 'where we are', in order to grow . As you may have gathered from reading the Wave, and the approach developed there, spoon-feeding on the C's (or any other 'etheric commitee's) part would only serve to deny us of the opportunity to do that. Now that would be STS.

The number of posts is only a rudimentary indication, and it is only meant as that. It is not the only thing taken note of, but it is a useful and simple 'first-line' management tool when handling, what, over 2 thousand users (moderators here work voluntarily, and have many other time consuming commitments). It is a standard feature of many online forums. There is nothing sci-fi about it.

Many forums also have restricted areas as a standard feature, which is natural and useful - this is the internet, after all. Users may wish to adjust their conversation accordingly, in the appropriate 'room', depending on how well they are acquainted with the others in the 'room'. We aim to provide an environment in which conversations of a variety of natures can be safely held, including private or semi-private conversations between people who know each other better than they might know a newcomer.

There is plenty here that is freely available for all, and it is offered in the hope that many may benefit.

 

[vinny]

I'm curious...have you given even a moments thought to the person or persons the policy was changed to protect? How about the hosts who've given you free access to thousands of interesting threads where you can ramble on and on about how much you've studied to your heart's content?

Guardian, for someone who isn't offended you seem to be generating a lot of hostility. If that makes you feel better, please, have at it.

As far as the 'one semi-private forum' to which I want to have access, I'm not sure how you could know where I've wanted to navigate, but the number is in the tens, at least.

While you're doing your Guardian work, please, avoid my door, and impose your judgments on yourself. Perhaps you could take the time to notice that I never imposed any upon anyone on this forum.

you appear to be missing Guardian's well made point, which I have re-quoted for your consideration.

 

[anart]

Guardian, for someone who isn't offended you seem to be generating a lot of hostility. If that makes you feel better, please, have at it.

As far as the 'one semi-private forum' to which I want to have access, I'm not sure how you could know where I've wanted to navigate, but the number is in the tens, at least.

While you're doing your Guardian work, please, avoid my door, and impose your judgments on yourself. Perhaps you could take the time to notice that I never imposed any upon anyone on this forum.

cicero, the above is bordering on hostility. There is no need for hostility, and, in fact, it is against forum guidelines to behave in a hostile manner toward other members - it impacts the environment here in a very detrimental way when people become hostile toward one another. You appear to be quite emotionally worked up about this issue in general, due to your frustration, so, perhaps, taking a break to calm down a bit before continuing to post might be beneficial? There really is no need to get hostile about anything on this forum since we're all in this together.

 

[Renaissance]

Re: Access Denied

cicero, I hope you can appreciate how sensitive the Work being done here is. As has already been mentioned, safety is a necessary component to this Work and I think it's pretty reasonable to take measures to ensure it is maintained. The number of posts isn't a definitive criteria for someone who may or may not be predatory, but over time the content of posts create much more visible markers. Also the titles 'a disturbance in the force', 'the force is strong with this one' etc. are for fun - fun is allowed here :). For someone who sounds like you've had your share of obstacles, perhaps you can extend any understanding you've gained from those experiences to this situation rather than react to this situation as though it were the obstacle.

 

[Guardian]

Guardian, for someone who isn't offended you seem to be generating a lot of hostility.

Clearly you and I have VERY different definitions of the word "hostile"

As far as the 'one semi-private forum' to which I want to have access, I'm not sure how you could know where I've wanted to navigate,

As far as I know, there is only "one semi-private forum" which has access limited by number of posts...."The Work"

but the number is in the tens, at least.

Those are called "Topics" in the "Forum" that you're complaining about not having access to.

While you're doing your Guardian work, please, avoid my door,

Well, since you asked so nicely...no.

Perhaps you could take the time to notice that I never imposed any upon anyone on this forum.

I must have missed that...I think I was busy noticing how rude and condescending you're being.