There is no revenge in the work

[Mililea]

Expectations? I am talking about when someone takes something from you or does something physically to you or purposely lies to you or alters your life in a negative way. Expectations = to your own fault not the conversation here but I welcome all types of conversations.

I am very sorry if I misunderstood you. I just thought it could be a source of your feeling that you had expectations from a situation or a person that were not met. Of whatever kind. Physical or psychological violence is a terrible thing, but I think revenge increases the violence and it spirals up. And it takes your energy. The question is, where does revenge take you? I'm sorry, but I think when you take revenge, you are no better than the person who hurt you. And it leads to nothing. Maybe a brief moment of satisfaction, but is it really worth it?

 

[Menna]

The thing is Menna, all anger comes from the perceived violation of implicit or explicit social expectations.

Percieved social expectation?....implicitly going against social society norms or contracts or implicit words said to you that turn to be totally different, stealing, going behind someones back with an agenda, doing complete opposite of what one says. To me that is not so much a perceived so and so expectation. ...Why be involved with anything or anyone if there is only perceived expectations? Society turns into a Las Vegas Casino. Building wouldn't be built, babies wouldn't be born, business wouldn't be succesfull, people wouldnt be able to get to work if life, people and things were just percieved (subjective) expectation.

When someone is upset with me or I do the opposite of what I told someone I would do or I physically hurt or emotionally hurt someone my reply will be...You think I did something negative based on your percvieved expectation lol

Your response made me dig deeper into the subject of this post. It's not so much that I think of revenge because revenge implies doing something to something at the end of the day I just want to be indemnified fro mthe multiple situations...made whole brought back to even.

The title should be "There is no indeminfication in the work" its almost like you have to let the situation go and just learn esoterically from the dynamic you went through while you work through the emotions. I think this is the cleanest form of moving forward in the Work throuhg various perceived engative situations.

Also we have to live in a society, society has objective things you need, health, money, family if one harms one of those aspects of your life its not a perceived violation. If we want to be so esoteric to say all we need is a controlled climate, animals, plants, fruits and a tool to use to eat those with then yes everything in society is perceived but then I wouldn't have a keybord to resond to you...

 

[Kari Baba]

I have to apologize to Menna at this point. Your last post made me read your first post really slowly and calmly. I understand now and I agree with you.

In fact, you think about these feelings in peace and then decide differently. You described it nicely with "the dynamic of flirting". In retrospect in my life I have always discovered it as touted temptations. I think (at least for my life) that it makes a huge difference how much knowledge you acquire. Ultimately, there is always a risk of getting hurt. And I'm not talking about false expectation injury here. The only chance to protect yourself from such people is only with adequate knowledge of psychopathy and all the material that is available to all of us here.

 

[Zar]

I'm a little confused with some of what you are saying @Menna, and forgive me if I'm being dense, but it is interesting to think about.

I came to the realization I’d say last month that revenge (going back) is like climbing down rungs on the ladder of knowledge/development/being/the work.

I'm not sure this is the case. In the work there is a constant self observation that needs to be done in order to understand the programs we all have. If you have vengeful programs then you won't necessarily fall down the ladder if you haven't learned and changed since you'll be on the step of the ladder where you are filled with vengeful programs. A machine doesn't become more of a machine by running the programs it's been running all it's life, it's just a machine. So I think it depends on where you are in your development. Also if you haven't fully learned how to deal with certain programs then you may fall time and time again until you figure it out, so it may not be so much as a falling but a learning process. I think there is much nuance, as there usually is with many things, but I could be wrong.

to elaborate. I feel to learn a lesson you fully realize that you do not want to be part of the situation/dynamic that the lesson came from. To seek revenge/even to think about it brings one back into involvement in to that lessons dynamic.

Once one truly knows about a lesson and moves past it the thought or feeling of revenge is a futile vibration as one will be going back to the 3rd grade after completing the fourth so to say.

Unfortunately some lessons are learned through taking a “loss” at least in my experience this is how I have learned and the result of situations. I have a goal I act in life to achieve that goal I take a loss Meaning result is farther from goal and I learn.... Causing me to realize that if I go through the steps of revenge in my intellectual center I will be chancing the “loss” again I will be flirting with a situation/dynamic that I have graduated from and is toxic to my new being. I will be going backwards almost like if I wrote a 10 page essay and I purposely choose not to hit save. All the time and effort won’t be saved It’s a threshold that I can’t bring my being to cross when thinking about the work and life.

I agree that knowledge/understanding are crucial but you must also have will in order to not dance to the tunes of the programs. Many times you may understand something to be bad for you but may be unable to do anything about it since you haven't developed sufficient will.

Percieved social expectation?....implicitly going against social society norms or contracts or implicit words said to you that turn to be totally different, stealing, going behind someones back with an agenda, doing complete opposite of what one says. To me that is not so much a perceived so and so expectation. ...Why be involved with anything or anyone if there is only perceived expectations? Society turns into a Las Vegas Casino. Building wouldn't be built, babies wouldn't be born, business wouldn't be succesfull, people wouldnt be able to get to work if life, people and things were just percieved (subjective) expectation.

When someone is upset with me or I do the opposite of what I told someone I would do or I physically hurt or emotionally hurt someone my reply will be...You think I did something negative based on your percvieved expectation lol

I don't really understand what you are trying to say here

Your response made me dig deeper into the subject of this post. It's not so much that I think of revenge because revenge implies doing something to something at the end of the day I just want to be indemnified fro mthe multiple situations...made whole brought back to even.

Indemnified: to protect someone or something against possible damage or loss by paying an insurance(indemnity) to cover the costs. This is a law term I think but it might translate to you wanting to have knowledge to protect yourself from attacks and such by paying with effort(insurance).
That's a good idea if that's what you mean.

The title should be "There is no indeminfication in the work" its almost like you have to let the situation go and just learn esoterically from the dynamic you went through while you work through the emotions. I think this is the cleanest form of moving forward in the Work throuhg various perceived engative situations.

Also we have to live in a society, society has objective things you need, health, money, family if one harms one of those aspects of your life its not a perceived violation. If we want to be so esoteric to say all we need is a controlled climate, animals, plants, fruits and a tool to use to eat those with then yes everything in society is perceived but then I wouldn't have a keybord to resond to you...

So you want to be indemnified but you think indemnification doesn't belong in the work? I guess it depends on what you mean by indemnified.

And I don't really understand the last part either...

 

[Menna]

So you want to be indemnified but you think indemnification doesn't belong in the work?

To either get revenge or be indemnified from a dynamic or situation after it is complete and the learning is underway/realized requires re engagement with the situation in some dynamic. At least for me to fully learn from the situation or move past it - its best to not go back not re involve myself with any person or thing that is in that situation dynamic again...To truly learn from the situation/dynamic I need to mentate over it and to constantly go back or fight with it to be made whole would cloud my mentation...I guess when it comes to the work at my level to progress I need to be clear of any external influences about a situation I am learning from to actually learn from it internally and move up the ladder...I had the expeirence (outer) now my being has to learn (internal) hard for me to learn during and hard to reflect on a situation when its ongoing.

Also if you know a person or situation is toxic to reinvolve (Revenge/Indemnification) yourself with it would be "insert 3d word to describe an esoteric freeling" its like volentarily doing something that you know is bad for your being. To relate the feeling to 3D its like sticking your hand in the fire in attempt to get something from inside it...

 

[whitecoast]

Looks like you misunderstood me Menna.

When someone is upset with me or I do the opposite of what I told someone I would do or I physically hurt or emotionally hurt someone my reply will be...You think I did something negative based on your percvieved expectation lol
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Also we have to live in a society, society has objective things you need, health, money, family if one harms one of those aspects of your life its not a perceived violation.

Saying that a violation is perceived doesn't imply that it's not real. To perceive something just means "to see something". I know English isn't your first language, but come on.

You still haven't answered my first question to you.

Hi Menna, were there any experiences or episodes in particular that triggered some of these realizations?