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Bobo said:
Lux good ( etc = not psychopath - watch serial Survivors (1975) Season 1 that I have mention about in episode 3 you can see women that want to "exploited people" not HELP" ) people exists if you only assume that "you can reliable on" on People that Know what is going on, doing ee etc.. then you ma find yourself in the trap...

I think that we can recognize psychopaths vs normal people - by what they are doing in extremal situation.

Beside I'm still thinking about how to find "good" people that you can reliable on - this Survivors gave me food for thought.

I think that Lux's point is that the key is to work on yourself and be the type of person that can navigate any situation due to your own level of being - rather than assuming that there will be others you can depend on, when they might be few and far between. In other words, do what is necessary to actually be responsible for yourself and others.
 
anart said:
I think that Lux's point is that the key is to work on yourself and be the type of person that can navigate any situation due to your own level of being - rather than assuming that there will be others you can depend on, when they might be few and far between. In other words, do what is necessary to actually be responsible for yourself and others.

I think the bold part is the key here.

On that note, then I agree.

Thanks anart, that point of yours makes all the diffrence, osit.

Peace.
 
JayMark said:
anart said:
I think that Lux's point is that the key is to work on yourself and be the type of person that can navigate any situation due to your own level of being - rather than assuming that there will be others you can depend on, when they might be few and far between. In other words, do what is necessary to actually be responsible for yourself and others.

I think the bold part is the key here.

On that note, then I agree.

Thanks anart, that point of yours makes all the diffrence, osit.

Peace.

Yes I think that same. You have good point anart.
 
This very forum's topic reminded me that in late December there would be the so predicted 'end of the World' :)
Difficult to notice that when you see that every single day through earthquakes, floods, wars, people going mad as beasts, governments stealing money with absurd taxes and so on, and on, and on!

Anyway, I'll predict mass parties and a lot of guys getting drunk. Googling 'End of the World Party 2012' gives 'About 495,000,000 results'. Then the PTB's may chime in in mysterious ways.. they usually do it at Christmas (sic.)
 
I think the merging of realities will occuruch much later like just after the lizzies land, I wonder if we will notice king tides when the comet gets nearer.
 
chaps23 said:
I think the merging of realities will occuruch much later like just after the lizzies land, I wonder if we will notice king tides when the comet gets nearer.

Later than what 'time' exactly are you refering to? I guess you mean "December 2012" then I would mostly agree.

And where did you hear/see that lizzies will land?

As far as the comet (Elenin) is concerned though, I have no idea. I thought it had passed already like last year or so. But I could be wrong.

Peace.
 
JayMark said:
chaps23 said:
I think the merging of realities will occuruch much later like just after the lizzies land, I wonder if we will notice king tides when the comet gets nearer.

Later than what 'time' exactly are you refering to? I guess you mean "December 2012" then I would mostly agree.

And where did you hear/see that lizzies will land?


As far as the comet (Elenin) is concerned though, I have no idea. I thought it had passed already like last year or so. But I could be wrong.

Peace.
chaps23, if you read more of the forum and SotT, you'll find that the opinion is that 'lizzies' have already 'landed'. There have been here for millennium in the form of psychopaths, and freely intermingled within society - they represent 4% of society. There is no need for them to 'land' again.

As JayMark indicates, comet Elenin, if that is the comet you are referring to chaps23, has long since passed through, and we are beginning to pick on the 'turbulence' of that passing now, with cometary/meteor fragments entering the earth's atmosphere and burning up or landing. If one of these was big enough, it could cause 'king tides'.
 
I predict an ice age :)
a white xmas all round with lots of deep snow and the traffic chaos/power outages that comes with that
even without comet or plague that may spell the end of their cozy world for many of the unprepared :/

personally I am looking forward to the Hobbit movie and the Dr Who xmas special and getting my breeding sows :D :D :D
 
rrraven said:
I predict an ice age :)
I was looking for information about cycles/predictions for the Sun's output last week. I couldn't find anything very much that wasn't sourced from NASA, but they're indicating that there's a rough correlation between activity in terms of sun-spot count and total heat output (I'd guess a hotter surface generates more turbulance?). Their most recent prediction is the the cycle we're currently in will peak (although it will be a smaller peak compared to previous occurances) around Feb 2013. So I wonder if this approaching maximum is currently keeping us out of an ice age, and it would be more like winter 2013 when we'd really start to see some temperature changes - so that's my prediction ;).
 
Prodigal Son said:
chaps23, if you read more of the forum and SotT, you'll find that the opinion is that 'lizzies' have already 'landed'. There have been here for millennium in the form of psychopaths, and freely intermingled within society - they represent 4% of society. There is no need for them to 'land' again.

Honnestly, I didn't think about that one but I gotta say it makes sense. They are 'here' in a way...

I think what he meant was probably about the Nephilim.

Session: November 2 said:
Q: (L) The Nephilim are going to return? Where do the Nephilim currently live?

A: Orion.

Q: (L) They live in the constellation Orion? Where is their planet?

A: Don't have one. In transit.

Q: (L) The whole dadgum bunch is in transit?

A: Three vehicles.

Q: (L) How many Nephilim does each vehicle hold?

A: About 12 million.

Q: (L) Are they coming to help us?

A: No. Wave comet cluster all using same energy.

Q: (L) Using same energy to what?

A: Pass through space\time.

Q: (L) Does this mean that without this comet cluster they cannot pass through space/time?

A: No. Slower. message follows here. Quiet for one moment please: From now on when word to follow is in quotes we will designate as follows: mark then word then mark. Now, "slower."

{We installed quote marks on the board after this. From this point on, when words in the Cassiopaean responses are in quotes, it is because they have so designated.}

Q: (L) So, it is slower for them to come here without this wave. Where is the wave coming from?

A: Follows cluster.

Q: (L) It follows the cluster. What does this wave consist of?

A: Realm border.

Q: (L) Does the realm border wave follow the comet cluster in a permanent way?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is the realm border loosely associated with the comet cluster each time it comes?

A: No. Realm border follows all encompassing energy reality change; realm border will follow this cluster passage and has others but not most.

Q: (L) Is this realm border a dimensional boundary?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, this realm border, do dimensions...

A: Pulsating realms. Fluctuating realms.

Q: (L) Is our realm fluctuating or pulsating?

A: No.

Q: (L) But this other realm does?

A: No.

Q: (L) What fluctuates?

A: Residence.

Q: (L) Whatever is in that realm fluctuates?

A: No. Your planet fluctuates between realms.

Q: (L) How often does this fluctuation occur?

A: About every 309,000 years.

Q: (L) In other words we can expect to be in 4th density for about 300,000 years?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Does this mean that the Edenic state existed for about 300.000 years before the "Fall?"

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, you say these Nephilim are coming and there is about 36 million of them, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And they are the enforcers of the Grays and Lizzies, is that correct?

A: Yes.
 
From Anart:
In other words, do what is necessary to actually be responsible for yourself and others.

To that you have to be very calm. I hope that if something happens I will keep my calm. Being calm I can be responsible. Than I hope I will react with intelligence and good instinct. That I will be strong. That even if I find myself alone I will accept to be alone.

But lately I was thinking about people around me that I can count for help and to help. For help I have all my seniors friends in this village, that will always give an hand if needed. AND also I know they will need help because they are very old and their kids are living far away. I am surrounded by good people, I am sure. They don't have to be in the same thinking than me, they don't have to be wake up at all. If something happens you look around you and you accept what is there and that's all.

I am able to recognize some psychos that live in the village just near here, at 1 kilometer. So I know that I can not count on them and I will not be able to help them because I refuse to help psychos. I know they are psychos because I worked with them some time ago.

So: I really hope to be ready if the worst arrive, be able to help my husband, take care of my dogs and cats and help my seniors villagers.
 
JayMark said:
Later than what 'time' exactly are you refering to? I guess you mean "December 2012" then I would mostly agree.

And where did you hear/see that lizzies will land?

As far as the comet (Elenin) is concerned though, I have no idea. I thought it had passed already like last year or so. But I could be wrong.

Peace.

Just going from various readings to the coming of the nephalim etc.... believing the lizzies to be behind them that is all.

As far as the comet you say? Perhaps I'm using the wrong word here but I suspect for some unknown reason that the comet elenin was not the cluster that was spoken of even though I KNOW that we have had ample evidence staing otherwise. Please dont ask me why..... This is supposed to be a prediction!! :P

Prodigal Son said:
chaps23, if you read more of the forum and SotT, you'll find that the opinion is that 'lizzies' have already 'landed'. There have been here for millennium in the form of psychopaths, and freely intermingled within society - they represent 4% of society. There is no need for them to 'land' again.

I'm sorry to sound stubborn here, trying to understand where your coming from?

I have read much of the forum and a lot about psycopaths and how they are currently here and have been forever. Are you saying that because its "the opinion" they have already 'landed' that it should be my opinion?

In regards to the bolded area, can you explain why land is in comas and why you believe they dont need to come again?

Also why you have used the words "the opinion"? because I'm sure its not everybodies, I dont doubt they are here now that's for sure!!

I dont mean to take the piss out of you here but I cant help but laugh thinking that even though SotT and some of the good people of the forum have this "opinion" I dont think I am yet to see substantial evidence to support your theory that they no longer need to 'land' as I have no idea what they are thinking/ planning as they are a higher form than us and with there ability to chop & change reality. I could simply be misunderstanding what you are trying to say here so feel free to correct me.

I still think there is lots of evidence to suggest that during/after the realm border crossing (which I dont believe has happend yet) the landing of the Nephalim (thinking the lizzes to be with/controlling them) and the attempt to overthrow and control/enslave man kind is a very real possibility, I know the psycopaths are already doing that but I would refer to them as the consortium/ illuminati or whatever I think that the STS Orion group have a few tricks up there sleeve and the consortium/psycopaths will attempt to resist it and hold onto control. I guess all I can do is wait and see..... I do realise how very 3rd density my thought patterns are here but that is all a part of my growth and the only way I can percieve this at the moment. I havn't had the amazing experience of channeling as yet only dreams.... and what I read here.


As JayMark indicates, comet Elenin, if that is the comet you are referring to chaps23, has long since passed through, and we are beginning to pick on the 'turbulence' of that passing now, with cometary/meteor fragments entering the earth's atmosphere and burning up or landing. If one of these was big enough, it could cause 'king tides'.

Since I was not refering directly to Elenin I really am just making a prediction here based on nothing... not factual back up or anthing other than some creepy dreams...

MULTIPLE EDITS: TYPO'S ETC
 
chaps23 said:
I still think there is lots of evidence to suggest that during/after the realm border crossing (which I dont believe has happend yet) the landing of the Nephalim (thinking the lizzes to be with/controlling them) and the attempt to overthrow and control/enslave man kind is a very real possibility, I know the psycopaths are already doing that but I would refer to them as the consortium/ illuminati or whatever I think that the STS Orion group have a few tricks up there sleeve and the consortium/psycopaths will attempt to resist it and hold onto control. I guess all I can do is wait and see..... I do realise how very 3rd density my thought patterns are here but that is all a part of my growth and the only way I can percieve this at the moment. I havn't had the amazing experience of channeling as yet only dreams.... and what I read here.

As to psychopaths, I think, they are programmed from 4D Density (As for, C's said that Nephalim is a race who is from 3D but live in the 4D Density), and because of how psychopaths are designed/created, they freely manipulate them without violating their free will. So, in a sense, we are living with aliens among us. If this is the reality. Aliens landing, and that whole show associated with this, is unwanted, I think.
 
chaps23 said:
chaps23, if you read more of the forum and SotT, you'll find that the opinion is that 'lizzies' have already 'landed'. There have been here for millennium in the form of psychopaths, and freely intermingled within society - they represent 4% of society. There is no need for them to 'land' again.

I'm sorry to sound stubborn here, trying to understand where your coming from?
That’s fine.

chaps23 said:
I have read much of the forum and a lot about psycopaths and how they are currently here and have been forever. Are you saying that because its "the opinion" they have already 'landed' that it should be my opinion?
There was other than the expression that ‘the opinion’ should be your opinion. You have free will, and can base your opinion on whatever you like. It is recommended that people do their own research to arrive at their Truth in whatever is involved in a given situation, with the information currently available to them.

chaps23 said:
Also why you have used the words "the opinion"? because I'm sure its not everybodies, I dont doubt they are here now that's for sure!!
My choosing to use the word ‘the’ was poor, better language would have been to use ‘there is some’, or, ‘there is a lot of’. Which is more accurate.

In regards to the bolded area, can you explain why land is in comas and why you believe they dont need to come again?
‘Land’ is in commas as they are already landed, as it were, from at least the last Grand Wave Cycle Realm Border Crossing, and that is in my opinion.

As far as we may know, the psychopaths are already doing a very good job on behalf of the ‘lizzies’, as of now. So, there is no need to frighten people by a direct appearance; again, that is in my opinion.

chaps23 said:
I dont mean to take the piss out of you here …
No offence taken, it’s OK to question, that’s how we all learn, both of the questioner and the answerer.

chaps23 said:
… but I cant help but laugh thinking that even though SotT and some of the good people of the forum have this "opinion" I dont think I am yet to see substantial evidence to support your theory that they no longer need to 'land' as I have no idea what they are thinking/ planning as they are a higher form than us and with there ability to chop & change reality. I could simply be misunderstanding what you are trying to say here so feel free to correct me.
This not a ‘theory’ of mine, just an educated guess of what they do with the facts currently at hand. The post was written in the context of your previous post.

We may be totally unaware of what may happen during/after the realm border crossing (which has not happened yet), after all, as you say earlier, we don’t know what they are thinking. As you say, all we can do is wait and see what happens around that time – if we are able to.

chaps23 said:
I still think there is lots of evidence to suggest that during/after the realm border crossing (which I dont believe has happend yet) the landing of the Nephalim (thinking the lizzes to be with/controlling them) and the attempt to overthrow and control/enslave man kind is a very real possibility, I know the psycopaths are already doing that but I would refer to them as the consortium/ illuminati or whatever I think that the STS Orion group have a few tricks up there sleeve and the consortium/psycopaths will attempt to resist it and hold onto control. I guess all I can do is wait and see..... I do realise how very 3rd density my thought patterns are here but that is all a part of my growth and the only way I can percieve this at the moment. I havn't had the amazing experience of channeling as yet only dreams.... and what I read here.
We all have a very 3rd density thought pattern, so we are all in the same boat regarding our search for knowledge and Truth.

chaps23 said:
Prodigal Son said:
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As JayMark indicates, comet Elenin, if that is the comet you are referring to chaps23, has long since passed through, and we are beginning to pick on the 'turbulence' of that passing now, with cometary/meteor fragments entering the earth's atmosphere and burning up or landing. If one of these was big enough, it could cause 'king tides'.
Since I was not refering directly to Elenin I really am just making a prediction here based on nothing... not factual back up or anthing other than some creepy dreams...
From my perspective, it was unclear what cometary you were referring to in your earlier post and picked up on JayMark’s post.

lux said:
As to psychopaths, I think, they are programmed from 4D Density (As for, C's said that Nephalim is a race who is from 3D but live in the 4D Density), and because of how psychopaths are designed/created, they freely manipulate them without violating their free will. So, in a sense, we are living with aliens among us. If this is the reality. Aliens landing, and that whole show associated with this, is unwanted, I think.
I think lux sums it quite well.

This may help, or not.
 
As for the "alien invasion" I thought I'd put up this part of Session 22 July 2010 as I have found it very interesting and something to really "think" about.

Q: (L) Okay. Well, all of that is very, very cheerful. So what are we supposed to do?

A: Continue to spread the truth and program that will unite all people of good will.

Q: (L) So uniting people of good will...

A: Remember we once told you that people would unite against the "invasion" at the time just before the earth changes?

Q: (L) Well, yeah. We were talking about the Nephalim and their stun guns and that sort of thing. But it looks like psychopaths are the new Nephalim, and they're already using stun guns - tasers. And then we asked if they were going to try to stage a fake alien invasion. All of this disclosure business is trying to point people in the direction of alien invasions, trying to get them prepared for some kind of fake alien invasion. Then you said yes, but a real invasion might take place first or earth changes would happen. Now, it's just been pressing on my mind, becoming more and more clear, that we don't NEED an alien invasion with psychopaths ruling this world as their transdimensional agents. And it has occurred to me that when you said that way back when, that basically the invasion has already occurred! It's here, now. It's psychopaths in power!

Everybody is looking and waiting for some kind of aliens; well, aliens are a supernatural phenomenon. Yeah, there is a certain physicality to it, but it strikes me that that physicality doesn't have... what do I want to say? Endurance? It doesn't "vibrate" right in our reality. It can come and go, but it doesn't stay here. So they need agents. They've always needed agents. They've always needed human-looking beings to control, to manipulate, or to even "download into" in a funny sort of way, like a possession or an activation. It's like they're sitting at some control console in some hyperdimensional place controlling their agents the way we control remote control toys.

So anyhow, this is what I've been thinking. Everybody's waiting for something to happen, like disclosure, or after disclosure. But it's already happened. It's here NOW! Any so-called “disclosure” will be a fraud unless they come out and say that it is a supernatural or hyper-dimensional phenomenon, which they are NOT going to say because that completely counters their entire world view that worships the physical universe. That’s where the whole Darwinism, material science, exclusion of scientific study of the paranormal, and so forth, comes from. That sort of thing can NEVER be studied honestly because it would destroy their reality construct.

(Perceval) That's a great screen.

(L) Yeah, they're trying to prepare people for physical, material aliens – “Disclosure” - because they're going to TRY to pull the alien invasion trick or the "alien god" trick and they'll say, "Worship the alien god! Join behind us! We're his high priests!" But it's not going to work.

(Perceval) It's almost like that's been held in reserve if it's necessary. They've prepped people with the idea of aliens.

(L) It's like this gigantic counterintelligence program. And the main thing that I've seen them working to counter is the idea, the concept, the understanding that this phenomenon is a supernatural one. To make that clear, what we have always called supernatural, which is not necessarily "supernatural", is really just hyperdimensional. We've been aware of these things – this other reality – for millennia. They come and go. It's like the finger in Flatland. We're Flatland! Am I on to something with this?

A: About as accurate as you can get without making direct predictions.

Q: (L) Who was it, this scientist guy... Was it Werner von Braun who said they were going to create this illusion about an alien invasion, and that it was all a big lie and a big fraud? And the real reason he said it was that he knew that it was a paranormal or a hyperdimensional phenomenon. Is that what he meant?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Because that fits. We've already been invaded. It's already a done deal. (Perceval) An invasion of psychopaths. (L) Yeah.

(Ailén) It's a perfect excuse for not taking responsibility as human beings. They can blame it on aliens, and say, "We're all equal, we're all victims! We didn't know!"
 
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