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"Get The Hell Out Of There" - Ohio's Apocalyptic Chemical Disaster Rages On
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"Chemicals also spilled into the Ohio River toward West Virginia,"
How the heck would that be possible? The Ohio River is formed in Pittsburgh! The Allegheny River and Monongahela River are united at the city of Pittsburgh's Point State Park to form the Ohio River!
benkostka
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The Ohio River is the border between West Virginia and Ohio for many miles. So it makes sense that there might be towns on the West Virginia side who draw their water from the Ohio River, and shutting that down until the toxins pass would be prudent.
There’s no danger of contamination upstream.
No it didn't make sense to me. I live right on the Allegheny River, above Pittsburgh. East Palestine is approx 50 miles NW of Pittsburgh...where the Ohio River begins. West Virginia Governor Jim Justice said on Wednesday that chemicals from a train derailment spilled into the Ohio River in the Northern Panhandle of West Virginia after a train derailed Friday in East Palestine, Ohio. W.Va is South of us...What confused me and what I forgot was the little NW upswing of the Ohio River, coming out of Pittsburgh.
Artex
Jedi
This is a map of the Ohio River watershed, which means any pollution or toxic rain that falls into it goes into the Ohio River. The red square is about where East Palestine is. Watershed Map | Ohio Watershed Network I've read that Cincinnati is already detecting elevated levels of toxins in their water supply that can be attributed to the accident. The Ohio River provides fresh water for a considerable amount of people. I don't remember the number but I want to say close to 10 million.
benkostka
Jedi Council Member
That map is of the entire watershed of Ohio, not the watershed of the Ohio River which would include lots of Western Pennsylvania. That being said the Little Beaver River drains due south of East Palestine right into the Ohio River, you can trace the drainage on Google Earth pretty easily.
The northern Ohio watershed would drain into Lake Erie, the dividing line of whether water flows north or south tends to be the furthest southern advance of the glaciers. Here’s a map of the entire watershed.
Thank you, Ben...I was having difficulty finding a decent map of the waterways...
Artex
Jedi
Thanks for the correction. That's actually the one I had seen but couldn't find.
East Palestine, Ohio train wreck: It's the dioxin
It's not just what was in the tanker cars. It's what happens when they burn and combine. This may be the largest dioxin plume in world history. I know of no more serious of this kind release.
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I saw Laura retweet this article, which says that the East Palestine wreck could be ever more deadly than initially thought due to dioxin poisoning. I had no idea, but apparently dioxin is one of the most toxic substances known to modern chemists.
Dear Friend and Reader:
Most coverage of the train wreck in Palestine, Ohio is missing one word: dioxin. There were reportedly 14 tanker cars full of vinyl chloride, a precursor to polyvinyl chloride — that is, vinyl. Burning vinyl is the most serious source of dioxin in the environment — whether from trash incinerators, house fires or chemical spills.
This mess of 14 tanker cars (really, many more, but 14 had vinyl chloride) was then set on fire by the government, apparently to make it easier to clear the railroad tracks. This was the worst possible decision. It has turned many, many miles into no-man’s land.
Note that dioxin goes by several other names, including TCDD and is sometimes abbreviated 2,3,7,8. Dibenzofurans, or furans for short, are identical in their toxicity but spoken about less often.
Watershed map — where the toxins could go.
This Affects a Very Large Region of the Country
This is not a local issue. This massive plume will spread far and wide, and is being blown by the prevailing winds across Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York State, toward the population centers of the northeastern U.S.
And via land and water, the toxins can spread in many directions, via water, soil movement and air (since the prevailing winds are only an average). And the contamination is so serious that even soil tracking will spread significant amounts.
What few people remember is how the town of Times Beach, Missouri was evacuated, purchased by the federal government, leveled and had its zip code removed, from far, far less dioxin contamination. It’s now a state park, though I’m not sure who would want to have a picnic there.
Times Beach, Missouri.
Dioxin Has Been Silenced for a Generation
Dioxin has been out of the news for more than 30 years. Therefore, very few people today have any sense of the problem — including journalists and editors. It is one of the most serously environmental issues, but the background is not known by nearly anyone (and that’s partly why I have posted the history below).
After a series of fraudulent articles in The New York Times that claimed they are as dangerous as sunbathing, the issue disappeared. A federal reassessment of dioxin’s toxicity was stuffed early in the Clinton administration. I cover the reassessment in this 1994 article I wrote for Sierra.
Dioxins are Degradation Byproducts of Chlorine-Based Chemicals
Dioxins and their first cousins furans are compounds created when chlorinated chemicals burn, explode or degrade. They are never made as a product; they are a contaminant and degradation product. They are directly related to PCBs, which are considered dioxin-like compounds.
Dioxins were the extremely toxic component in the Vietnam War-era defoliant Agent Orange. The were at the Love Canal in Niagara Falls; they were the toxin involved in the evacuation and dissolution of Times Beach, Missouri. They are the cause of toxic shock syndrome from bleached paper tampons.
2,3,7,8-TCDD, or dioxin for short. Note the double benzene ring structure, which makes them extremely durable and persistent. The shape — a planar or flat molecule — is largely responsible for its toxicity.
Dioxins are acute toxins on one level. There will be a lot of dead fish and animals in the path of the Ohio plume — and people will get very sick immediately. Kids are extremely sensitive due to their low body weight.
Dioxins are a Hormonal Toxin
But then there is another level of the problem. Dioxins are 1) hormonally toxic and 2) they are extremely persistent and they then build up in the food chain, generally in lipids. They are bioactive. All this BS projected onto viruses is absolutely true for dioxins, though the contagion factor is different (running through families for instance, passed through mother’s milk, affecting whole communities through a toxic release, etc.).
Dioxins are connected to every other toxins issue that ever lived, from DDT to PCBs to Roundup…they are orders of magnitude above in their effects, though it’s worth reading this for some background.
Many PCBs are close enough to dioxins to qualify as such; and PCBs degrade into dibenzofurans (also called furans), which are dioxins with one molecule of oxygen instead of two. Dioxins are never made intentionally; similar toxins are, but dioxin per se is a byproduct of other chemical processes, or a degradation byproduct.
The plastics industry is now the number one dioxin polluter (thanks to polyvinyl chloride), followed by the pulp and paper industry, due to the bleach used to make paper and absorbent paper products white. This is why nobody should ever use low-grade, non-organic paper feminine products. Use something that is not bleached with chlorine.
Please see my coverage of the most famous dioxin lawsuit, Kemner v. Monsanto, about another train wreck, in Sturgeon, Missouri. In this lawsuit, the ugly truth about dioxin and Monsanto came out into the open.
One Quote is Making it Into Some Articles
There is one accurate quote about dioxin that is making the rounds, in connection to the Palestine disaster:
Neil Donahue, a professor of chemistry at Carnegie Mellon University in nearby Pittsburgh, said he worries that the burning could have formed dioxins, which are created from burning chlorinated carbon materials.
“Vinyl chloride is bad, dioxins are worse as carcinogens and that comes from burning,” Donahue said.
Dioxins are a group of persistent environmental pollutants that last in the ground and body for years and have been one of the major environmental problems and controversies in the United States.
Dr. Lynn Goldman, dean of George Washington University's School of Public Health, agrees this is a possible risk, but is more concerned about uncombusted vinyl chloride vapors that could be lurking in the immediate vicinity.
"Until there has been a thorough assessment, the soot as well as any other materials should in my opinion be treated as contaminated by vinyl chloride and/or dioxins or other contaminants until proven otherwise,” she said.
As Peter Montague writes in the historical articles below:
"How can we express this in terms that people can grasp? Let's compare it to one single aspirin tablet. One aspirin tablet weighs 5 grains (or 325 milligrams, or 325 trillion femtograms), so to express one "safe" lifetime dose of 2,3,7,8-TCDD, you would take a single aspirin tablet and divide it into 32 million (actually 32,172,218) miniscule pieces. Then one of those tiny pieces would represent one "safe" lifetime dose of 2,3,7,8-TCDD."
We will have more on Friday’s edition of Planet Waves FM.
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The rest of the piece goes on to explore Montague's dioxin disaster articles. Terrible stuff. Might be a good time for people in the affected area of the plume to get smoking...
This link covers the developing story
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@FalconryFinance: Ohio right now That's a giant cloud of polyvinyl chloride and a ton of other bad chemicals The local police blew it up like a beached whale, now megatoxins are Chernobyling Ohio and there's a...…threadreaderapp.com
From the previously posted article:
The truth about dioxins has retreated into obscurity from a couple of decades ago probably because of the conversion to microwaving our food over conventional cooking. From:
MICROWAVING AND CARCINOGENS, e.g. DEHA, di(ethylhexyl)adepate, found in plastic wrap
A highschool student does what the FDA could not and discovers a grave health danger in using plastic covers and containers in the Mircowave oven. Many other articles on this site.
www.rifeenergymedicine.com
Could Your Disposable Plates Be Making You Fat & Sick? These Brands Won't.
Eco-friendly paper plates contain hormone disruptors! Yes, it's true. The health effects of PFAs are harmful and may be in your "green" disposable dishes.
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Here’s Why You Should STOP Using Microwaves
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I stopped microwaving food once I read that Russia had determined it destroys the nutritional content of food. I'm under the belief that plants watered with cooled, microwaved water will die. Don't know if that's a fact, but wouldn't be surprised. We exist in a manmade chemical soup which is bad enough, but add in all the EMF from a myriad of modern living sources, it's a wonder we're aren't all ill with cancer and autoimmune disease.
I didn't realize you lived in the Pittsburgh area also, I googled East Palestine and it's about 56 miles from me. Way too close for comfort.
Me too Mrs Peel. I'm NE of Pittsburgh; it puts us in a possible area to be affected. This is my family home area; I moved around a lot but this is my family's home.I didn't realize you lived in the Pittsburgh area also, I googled East Palestine and it's about 56 miles from me. Way too close for comfort.
Today, I'm feeling so down about it; my entire life has been dedicated in a struggle against these kinds of events happening. If I could write a song, it would be, "A 60s Kid's Lament."
Jesus, I remember 1969, when the Cuyahoga River caught on fire!
In the 1960s, we lived a couple of years in New Jersey, where trucks would come around and spray DDT while we kids would be outside playing. When my son was young, I volunteered at Rachel Carson's Homestead, author of, "Silent Spring."
Anti-pollution commercials played on the tv, showing smokestacks burning, playing the song, "Air;" this stuck in my mind:
I was there when Earth Day was started in the 1970s, wearing clothing with the green and yellow ecology sign on them. Every year when I was able, my son and I cleaned up the 2 creeks and river banks by my house on Earth Day.
I went to school for Environmental Technology; first job climbing and testing smoke stacks for particulate and gaseous emissions.
Later jobs were as a Microbiologist and Plant Sanitarian for Quality Assurance and consumer protection. I monitored plant effluents into waterways for saftey. All my jobs were a form of protection.
After leaving corporate work, I showed up at many townhalls in protest against fracking and how it was poisoning our air and wells. I wrote constant editorals....Also editorals about the Bush regime's gutting of public watch dogs like the EPA.
I'm grieving today....I can't write music, or sing, and I'm no poet...But my heart sings a sad mournful song...