Train derailments and explosions and chemical spills

[benkostka]

From what I have read and listened to, it does create Dioxin when burned. Listed to a podcast on Bitchute (won’t let me load it) and the guest was a chemical engineer from a lab that does testing for these types of chemicals. One of very few accredited labs in the country. He said it definitely released Dioxin into the atmosphere. PolyVynilChloride is what is used to make PVC pipes, only makes sense it will act much the same (or even worse) than PVC pipe.

Vinyl chloride is used to make PVC…. That where the poly comes in, as in polymer, essentially long chains of plastic. Vinyl chloride is more of a gas. The reason I didn’t think it might make dioxin is because the structure is much more complex than vinyl chloride. Typically things get broken down in combustion.

Dioxins and dioxin-like compounds - Wikipedia

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Vinyl chloride - Wikipedia

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Take a look. Regardless it’s a toxic plume, but I couldn’t really find what the products are from combustion of just vinyl chloride.

 

[hlat]

I don’t know if vinyl chloride turns into dioxin. PVC or plastic does if burnt but that wasn’t there.

The government burned the spilled vinyl chloride.

 

[scotseeker]

Here is the link to the podcast about this, will probably have to copy and paste as “they” are blocking all content about the disaster. Here is the link, the first 30 or so minutes just lead up to the interview. Situation Update, Feb 16, 2023 - Devastating DIOXIN exposure from Ohio train wreck burn will CONTAMINATE food, farms and families for YEARS to come

 

[scotseeker]

Take a look. Regardless it’s a toxic plume, but I couldn’t really find what the products are from combustion of just vinyl chloride.

Post above is about dioxin, for some reason didn’t include your quote.

 

[Zzartemis]

@benkostka @scotseeker FYI:


The byproduct caused by burning vinyl chloride is called hydrogen chloride.
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When it hits the water vapor in the air it forms hydrochloric acid.
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The controlled burn of the rail tankers resulted in hundreds of thousands of pounds of acid being released into the environment - this is the largest vinyl chloride spill/fire in the history of the planet (the only other spill was a single tanker in New Jersey but authorities, in that case, didn't set fire to the chemical. So what will the long-term effects be from this incident? No one is sure and the media isn't even slightly interested in helping the American people find out.
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Authorities decided to burn 1,000,000 pounds of vinyl chloride releasing hundreds of thousands of pounds of hydrochloric acid into the atmosphere - why isn't anyone talking about it?

Why have heads of the DOT, EPA, and FEMA remained silent about the massive train derailment in Ohio? At least one reporter was arrested and jailed for attempting to cover the event. What is going on?

politiquerepublic.substack.com

What is Hydrochloric Acid?​

Hydrogen chloride acid is a colorless, corrosive, liquid that fumes in air at high concentrations of 25% or more, and becomes a hydrogen chloride gas forming dense white vapors due to condensation with atmospheric moisture. The vapor is corrosive, and air concentrations above 5 ppm can cause irritation. Hydrogen chloride is available commercially as an anhydrous gas or as aqueous solutions (hydrochloric acid). When heated, it generates larges quantities of hydrochloric acid fumes. If the concentration of hydrochloric acid gas in the air is 0.035%, humans will have a pain in the throat and chest, and have difficulty in breathing within 10 minutes. The inhalation of a large quantity of hydrochloric acid gas or mist may result in death.
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Hydrochloric acid health risks: vapor, mist, and fume inhalation - Sentry Air Systems, Inc.

What is Hydrochloric Acid? Hydrochloric acid is a colorless, corrosive, liquid that fumes in air at high concentrations of 25% or more, and becomes a hydrogen chloride gas forming dense white vapors due to condensation with atmospheric moisture (Pubchem). The vapor is corrosive, and air...

www.sentryair.com

 

[benkostka]

@benkostka @scotseeker FYI:


The byproduct caused by burning vinyl chloride is called hydrogen chloride.
6
When it hits the water vapor in the air it forms hydrochloric acid.
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The controlled burn of the rail tankers resulted in hundreds of thousands of pounds of acid being released into the environment - this is the largest vinyl chloride spill/fire in the history of the planet (the only other spill was a single tanker in New Jersey but authorities, in that case, didn't set fire to the chemical. So what will the long-term effects be from this incident? No one is sure and the media isn't even slightly interested in helping the American people find out.
FROM:

Authorities decided to burn 1,000,000 pounds of vinyl chloride releasing hundreds of thousands of pounds of hydrochloric acid into the atmosphere - why isn't anyone talking about it?

Why have heads of the DOT, EPA, and FEMA remained silent about the massive train derailment in Ohio? At least one reporter was arrested and jailed for attempting to cover the event. What is going on?

politiquerepublic.substack.com

What is Hydrochloric Acid?​

Hydrogen chloride acid is a colorless, corrosive, liquid that fumes in air at high concentrations of 25% or more, and becomes a hydrogen chloride gas forming dense white vapors due to condensation with atmospheric moisture. The vapor is corrosive, and air concentrations above 5 ppm can cause irritation. Hydrogen chloride is available commercially as an anhydrous gas or as aqueous solutions (hydrochloric acid). When heated, it generates larges quantities of hydrochloric acid fumes. If the concentration of hydrochloric acid gas in the air is 0.035%, humans will have a pain in the throat and chest, and have difficulty in breathing within 10 minutes. The inhalation of a large quantity of hydrochloric acid gas or mist may result in death.
FROM:

Hydrochloric acid health risks: vapor, mist, and fume inhalation - Sentry Air Systems, Inc.

What is Hydrochloric Acid? Hydrochloric acid is a colorless, corrosive, liquid that fumes in air at high concentrations of 25% or more, and becomes a hydrogen chloride gas forming dense white vapors due to condensation with atmospheric moisture (Pubchem). The vapor is corrosive, and air...

www.sentryair.com

Yea, that’s what I could turn up which means no dioxins and perhaps no long term problem. Hydrochloric acid is produced in massive amounts from volcanism and doesn’t persist long in the atmosphere.

 

[Zzartemis]

Yea, that’s what I could turn up which means no dioxins and perhaps no long term problem. Hydrochloric acid is produced in massive amounts from volcanism and doesn’t persist long in the atmosphere.

Well then, the question is why isn't this shared by officialdom and why are stories of dioxins so persistent? Atmospheric hydrochloric acid could very well be the cause of the rapid animal deaths....But it would dissipate.

 

[Bluegazer]

Yea, that’s what I could turn up which means no dioxins and perhaps no long term problem. Hydrochloric acid is produced in massive amounts from volcanism and doesn’t persist long in the atmosphere.

I ask and want to know; is the problem how long it persists or the immediate damage it has produced? Even if the dioxin is short-lived what is measured is both the immediate and long-term damage.

In the immediate term, a lot of local wildlife has already died and farmers have their land contaminated and it cannot be accurately determined if they will be able to use that land later.

In the mid / long term, this destroys the entire supply chain and that includes of course the derailment and destruction of the tracks, because it is not just that particular track carrying a single load. Grain transport, livestock transport, etc., also use them.

You will excuse me, this is not personal, but I think that when you evaluate the chain of events, minimizing with comparisons of natural events is doing mental gymnastics.

 

[Zzartemis]

@Bluegazer I think more consideration should be given to the agenda behind what @Mark7 posted, in that they might want the public to believe that the land/farms should be abandoned:

Dr. Lee Merritt feels the scope of the East Palestine disaster may be exaggerated to a large extent. She discusses what is currently know about the various chemicals in the tanks. She reminds people about how overblown the dangers of covid were and how easily people were panicked into taking the shots. The real goal, she thinks, is to drive local Amish Farmers off their land. She says these toxic chemicals are dangerous, but they will decay over time.

Someone will do the grunt work of collecting enough real data to make some estimations and predictions eventually, just can't depend on any government to do it accurately.

Ohio Chemical Spill--It's not what you think.

My look at what was in the train, what it can do, and what it means...

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[benkostka]

Well then, the question is why isn't this shared by officialdom and why are stories of dioxins so persistent? Atmospheric hydrochloric acid could very well be the cause of the rapid animal deaths....But it would dissipate.

Right or the fact that lots of those gases are heavier than air so they’ll suffocate people but then dissipate. Same as why you don’t go into enclosed spaces without a test, heavier gases can displace oxygen.

Here’s an example of large scale death from CO2 release. Heavier than air so it killed humans and wildlife in it’s path.

Lake Nyos disaster - Wikipedia

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Officials are retarded…. I watched countless “expert” idiots in the military talk about stuff they didn’t understand. It’s all easily explained by incompetence…. And considering the PTB reward loyalty more than competence, nothing surprises me.

 

[Bluegazer]

@Zzartemis Yes, there may be an exaggeration, but the opposite is also true. So, I do not view the exaggeration or the simplification of the matter favorably.

 

[benkostka]

I ask and want to know; is the problem how long it persists or the immediate damage it has produced? Even if the dioxin is short-lived what is measured is both the immediate and long-term damage.

In the immediate term, a lot of local wildlife has already died and farmers have their land contaminated and it cannot be accurately determined if they will be able to use that land later.

In the mid / long term, this destroys the entire supply chain and that includes of course the derailment and destruction of the tracks, because it is not just that particular track carrying a single load. Grain transport, livestock transport, etc., also use them.

You will excuse me, this is not personal, but I think that when you evaluate the chain of events, minimizing with comparisons of natural events is doing mental gymnastics.

Dioxin isn’t short lived. Go read about them, the article I posted about them above from Wikipedia is a good start.

We don’t know if the land is contaminated, certainly it’s contaminated where the spill is but there’s been no information about farm land. My guess is that it’s fine, perhaps the aquifer is bad.

I’m using volcanism to understand what happens to HCL when it’s released into the atmosphere….. why would it be different for HCl produced from burning vinyl chloride? It’s the same compound and should degrade the same way right? What am I “minimizing”? I’m gathering data and using common sense to figure out what would happen.

 

[Zzartemis]

@Zzartemis Yes, there may be an exaggeration, but the opposite is also true. So, I do not view the exaggeration or the simplification of the matter favorably.

It's all bad @Bluegazer but there's something else going on here too. The ptb, dirtbags that they are, have more than poisoning people in mind. And I think a land grab is one big agenda. Remember 91% of Ohio farms are family owned...many by the Amish who are self sufficient and would be harder to remove because of their self sufficiency....They keep the amount of money profits they make low too, so as to not have to pay taxes...Taxes support war and they are very much against this. Back taxes are a big way to seize land and they can't do this to the Amish either to get them off their land.

Soooo....maybe have all the public believe staying and living on the land is gonna kill them....fast! Bill Gates wants the corn market and there's a ton of corn grown in Ohio.

 

[mabar]

If true "Wow" , however no Hazmet in the video and I can not find anything through web search.
Thus, where is his source ?
Could be fake news.

I guess Rawalerts assumed in the hazmat issue.

The train did derail, though.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628128503630598158

 

[XPan]

The tip of another iceberg. Snow that not melts and gets dark brown with fire. In Wisconsin.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627227016436109313

Come on - is this for real, i mean seriously ?!

I have tested this a couple times out of a mix between boredom and curiosity when smoking a cigarette on my balcony and then using a lighter to burn a snowboll.

Yeah, it turns black-ish, and yeah, it appears at first not to melt because the first water gets absorbed into the harder mush. So it doesn’t drop water immediately. Eventually it does melt and water will start to drip.

Try it out.