Train derailments and explosions and chemical spills

[Hi_Henry]

She says these toxic chemicals are dangerous, but they will decay over time.

Seriously ???? Are we talking days, weeks, months or years ? And as this "decays" people are to do what ?

Sorry, that sounds kind of dumb to me.

The stuff on the manifest of that train clearly shows very carcinogenic chemicals. I wouldn't want to be around waiting until the stuff "decays". This post from Jeep says it all

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In today's Columbus Dispatch [USA TODAY]:

Suit: Train released 1.1M pounds of vinyl chloride

 

[Hi_Henry]

The issue of what chemicals went where will be a subject that will not see much daylight IMHO.
I suspect it will get the same treatment as what Fauci did starting in 2020 with Con-19 and the clot-shot,
"We tested but we did not find much. We are Safe !!!"

East Palestine, Ohio train wreck: It's the dioxin

It's not just what was in the tanker cars. It's what happens when they burn and combine. This may be the largest dioxin plume in world history. I know of no more serious of this kind release.

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One thing to keep in mind is that vinyl chloride by itself is a colorless gas that is heavier than air. Hence it might go up when warm, but then will come down as it cools. Burning is a nice way to spread it everywhere instead of localizing it.

Then there is this interesting info that was reported on Feb 4th by a Youngstown station WFMJ

Vinyl Chloride: What you need to know

Authorities say railroad tankers that derailed and caught fire in East Palestine late Friday were carrying vinyl chloride.

www.wfmj.com

How can vinyl chloride enter my body?

Because vinyl chloride is a gas at room temperature, the most likely way it will enter a person’s body is by breathing it in. You can also drink vinyl chloride in contaminated (polluted) drinking water. Faucets that use PVC pipe probably do not add vinyl chloride to the drinking water.

If vinyl chloride touches your skin or gets into your eyes, a small amount may pass into your body.

Vinyl chloride will travel through your body in your blood.

Your liver will break it down into other chemicals, some of which can be more harmful than the vinyl chloride itself. Some of these new chemicals can be stored in your body for a long time.

Eventually, most vinyl chloride will leave your body through your urine or breath.

More dangerous THAN vinyl chloride !!!!! I wonder what that could be.

Do check the section in the article titled "What health problems does vinyl chloride cause?"

 

[Hi_Henry]

I was very curious as to where were the winds blowing in East Palestine on the day of the "controlled burn" on Feb. 6th at 4:35 PM.
I'm sure the data is archived somewhere, however I had no luck finding it. The best I could do was find this from NOAA.



There is a "however". The smart cookies at NOAA made these at what they call "500 millibar". It is the altitude at which you have that pressure. Here are the details

Constant Pressure Charts: 500 mb
Height Contours

The 500 millibar constant pressure charts is the mainstay of the upper air charts. If meteorologists could only look at one chart, the 500 mb level chart would, by far, be the top choice.

Ranging in elevation from 16,000 feet (4,980 meters) to nearly 20,000 feet (6,000 meters) this is considered the "middle" of the atmosphere. It is based upon the assumption 500 mb is one-half of 1000 millibars (at sea level) and the top of the atmosphere, zero millibars, which occurs at 30+ miles (50+ kilometers) high.

Obviously at lower altitudes closer to the surface the wind could be going in a somewhat different direction. Here this is explained

New Videos Of Toxic Water In East Palestine Plus Dispersion From Train Derailment Burn - Just In Weather

Friday February 17, 2023 This is a follow up to my first report about the weather and water impact due to the train derailment in East Palestine, OH, on February 3, 2023. I have been carefully sorting through the available information to bring you the most accurate information possible. In this...

justinweather.com

No surprise now that the man from Darlington Penn. who has this Twitter account and posted videos of what he saw, was swearing like he was.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627755015807897607

 

[mabar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628070024731664385

 

[Hi_Henry]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628070024731664385

If true "Wow" , however no Hazmet in the video and I can not find anything through web search.
Thus, where is his source ?
Could be fake news.

 

[benkostka]

If true "Wow" , however no Hazmet in the video and I can not find anything through web search.
Thus, where is his source ?
Could be fake news.

There’s no need for hazmat though if it’s just coal that’s spilled. There’s nothing to contain.

 

[Hi_Henry]

How nice. NOAA allows the Public to run their own simulations to see where air mass will move on a given day. Here

NOAA HYSPLIT Trajectory Model

www.ready.noaa.gov

I did one. The red line shows where a particle would have traveled if released at 500 meters on Feb 6th around 5 PM during the course of 24 hrs.
As we can see, straight North into Canada !!!!
"Hello Trudeau"




Added bonus. We have a new name for Brandon.

 

[Mark7]

Seriously ???? Are we talking days, weeks, months or years ? And as this "decays" people are to do what ?

Sorry, that sounds kind of dumb to me.

The stuff on the manifest of that train clearly shows very carcinogenic chemicals. I wouldn't want to be around waiting until the stuff "decays". This post from Jeep says it all

Well, they are not 'forever chemicals', which take years to decay, and at least it was not plutonium or other radioactive elements with a nasty decay profile. I am not saying that what happened is not a disaster, just that it has a definite scope that has not really been determined yet.

 

[scotseeker]

NOAA files before they were quickly taken down showing “the cloud“ and where it went after the “controlled burn”. This is very disheartening as it has surely spread beyond these models, which is why they took them down almost immediately. Luckily they are stored off NOAA web site. They are covering this up big time, bad enough with all the chemicals that were being transported but burning them creates Dioxin, a very dangerous chemical. Dioxin was found in Agent Orange, Vietnam war as a defoliant. I had several close friends that died of a rare cancer as a result of serving over in Vietnam.

 

[benkostka]

NOAA files before they were quickly taken down showing “the cloud“ and where it went after the “controlled burn”. This is very disheartening as it has surely spread beyond these models, which is why they took them down almost immediately. Luckily they are stored off NOAA web site. They are covering this up big time, bad enough with all the chemicals that were being transported but burning them creates Dioxin, a very dangerous chemical. Dioxin was found in Agent Orange, Vietnam war as a defoliant. I had several close friends that died of a rare cancer as a result of serving over in Vietnam.

What’s the context here? The models show two different things, one going north the other going south. How is information extracted?

I don’t know if vinyl chloride turns into dioxin. PVC or plastic does if burnt but that wasn’t there.

 

[Zzartemis]

Well, they are not 'forever chemicals', which take years to decay, and at least it was not plutonium or other radioactive elements with a nasty decay profile. I am not saying that what happened is not a disaster, just that it has a definite scope that has not really been determined yet.

My bet is after a few months, this will all die down in people's minds. Their new found indignation at massive pollution will fade with the next news that draws attention. Pollution is nothing new to Ohio/Pa (and other industrial areas). We've been living with these threats forever and the nation stayed silent... How about acid mine drainage which turns our waterways orange, makes the waterways DEVOID of life. How about the fire that burns underneath my town....for decades! Or the fracking pump stations placed every 10 or 20 miles...they give off unseen pollution into the air. How about the coyotes that come into town since their habitats have been invaded? How about the urban sprawl because ppl leave their towns to gobble up small farm land...of farms they did not support by paying more...to live in huge houses which demands that civilization be dragged out into and destroying pristine areas of fields and woods? Leaving behind a concentration of povery, crime and filth?

I could go on and on...I appreciate people's urge to report and spread news...but people like East Palestines need your forever support...Because these industrialists, these developers of areas we don't need (shopping malls maybe?) can afford laywers that we can't...they pummel us in our outcries and play the long game of winning....If you have wealth or expertise or a burning intrest...pick one place, one group of locals and lend support.

 

[scotseeker]

don’t know if vinyl chloride turns into dioxin. PVC or plastic does if burnt but that wasn’t there.

From what I have read and listened to, it does create Dioxin when burned. Listed to a podcast on Bitchute (won’t let me load it) and the guest was a chemical engineer from a lab that does testing for these types of chemicals. One of very few accredited labs in the country. He said it definitely released Dioxin into the atmosphere. PolyVynilChloride is what is used to make PVC pipes, only makes sense it will act much the same (or even worse) than PVC pipe.

 

[scotseeker]

What’s the context here? The models show two different things, one going north the other going south. How is information extracted?

I could only capture screen shots, most of the winds were blowing east or south east, just one day was blowing north. I am going to check and see if one of my sources has the actual footage and will post if it can be found. I live 50 miles west of East Palestine and can tell you for the most part, winds were blowing east to south east, typical winter pattern.

 

[benkostka]

I could only capture screen shots, most of the winds were blowing east or south east, just one day was blowing north. I am going to check and see if one of my sources has the actual footage and will post if it can be found. I live 50 miles west of East Palestine and can tell you for the most part, winds were blowing east to south east, typical winter pattern.

I went and looked on the NOAA website. The model is free to the public if anyone wants to use it, you can probably use old weather data too.

 

[scotseeker]

I went and looked on the NOAA website. The model is free to the public if anyone wants to use it, you can probably use old weather data too.

Yes, I saw that. The screen shots showed a couple of weeks with the dark cloud (toxic chemicals) moving as the winds changed. Guess they didn’t want people seeing that. It was moving in the shape of the dark cloud in the screen shot. Can’t find it now, Google has blocked it, Reddit, bitchute, everyone!