Transcripts relating to pets

[Arlind]

Thanks for collating and posting the excerpts, @thorbiorn. There's some interesting topics and ideas discussed that feed curiosity. Of particular interest to me is the last few having recently battled with the thought of rehoming my pup. He's my first from a puppy age and a large breed (Great Pyrenees/ Maremma mixed with german shepherd) so naturally I did a fair amount of considering before deciding, but still, based on a romanticized view of having a badass companion as well and in the end made an impulsive decision, at least timing-wise.

Calm and and with a very friendly disposition towards people and other dogs, I have lucked out with him as he has not been a challenge to manage, even at early age when they're so full of energy. It has meant plenty of sacrifices though (time and attention) to give him time outdoors, play and social interaction (which he thrives on), a certain quality of life as a pet for what is essentially a mix of working dof genes. I've had to modify my life (work and personal) around him to take care of him on my own.

That was all manageable and to an extent a conscious choice though until recently when life got complicated and I was considering/ trialling relocating. A long period of boarding followed by a temporary arrangement that was far from the comfort of the routine we had known for the last 2 years I've had him brought about changes in his behaviour. He adapts well to change from what I've observed (better than me defo) but seems part of the reason was me. The stress of uncertainty and struggle affected me and him considering how quick they are to pick up on (and mirror) your emotional state. He had a few incidents of aggression towards people that he knew (though never developed a relationship with) and also a couple with strangers. I am now thinking, beyond the general anxiety of the situation bringing out misguided instincts, both of us were probably exposed and vulnerable to negative energies/ attachments.

Q: (L) We have one little personal question we want to ask before we shut down shop for tonight: We have a situation with puppy dog, Argos, and we would like to know if we are dealing with the situation appropriately. And is there anything we should know about this situation that we don't?
A: You are dealing appropriately. This is not a time for persons who have issues of their own to take on responsibility for another creature that can act as a conduit of negative energies.
Q: (L) So, is the outcome that we have predicted where this has to go?
A: Most likely.

Both, amount of care needed/ handlingb him on my own with a small place without a yard and the incidents made me seriously re-think the responsibility. Throughout my considering I've had the Cs words (bolded above) in my mind so I do appreciate getting a little more context and guidance. Things are somewhat balanced and happy now, and generally I've had a good handle on the relationship with him (dominance etc); have seen zero concerning behaviour from him. Yet, I'm still doing some thinking. I am curious about the idea of 'our energy profiles matching' whether that is the case and whether there is protection provided (at least when I've got my life in order haha) but at the same time I do find myself more open to the idea of giving him up/ holding off on having a companion until better settled.

 

[thorbiorn]

In this post, there area few excerpts that relate to pets, the question about soul and what that might mean.

Many pets and other non-human creatures have soul imprints - But not all. - No
Session 27 September 2025

(L) ...Individuals that can be targeted. Well, before we get onto these other questions, I know everybody's dying for this $64,000 question to be asked, but I had a couple of questions on my mind this afternoon that I wanted to ask and if I don't ask them now I won't get to. I was thinking about people who are involved in a close way with say, organic portals - I mean as a spouse or a close friend or a child or whatever. And what I was wondering is when a person, a souled person dies and they were married to an OP, can they look down on the Earth and their former partners or whatever and tell that they are OPs? I mean do they look any different or seem any different?

A: Yes to both.

Q: (L) Well, if they look different, what does that mean?

A: There is a genetic imprint and a "spirit" glow of life force, but not the soul identifier that makes everyone unique if they are souled.

Q: (L) Well, do pets have identifiers like soul identifiers of humans, or do they just have the genetic thing and the life force?

A: Many pets and other non-human creatures have soul imprints.

Q: (L) But not all.

A: No

Q: (L) And it would probably be a very tedious task to go through and ask about all the different ones that do or do not, right?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And we don't want to spend that time on that.

A: No

The living creatures surrounding us on this planet are like us also on a short wave cycle .... a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half.
Session 22 October 1994

Q: (L) Are human beings entrapped in physical matter?

A: By choice.

Q: (L) Why did they make this choice?

A: To experience physical sensations. It was a group mind decision.

Q: (L) Who was in charge of the group?

A: The group.

Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the body physical produce some by-product that is desirable to other beings?

A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?

A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative nature.

Q: (L) And what are these by-products?

A: Which one first?

Q: (L) Positive.

A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy which speeds up the learning process of the soul and all of it's one dimensional and two dimensional interactive partners. In other words, flora and fauna, minerals, etc. All experience growth and movement towards reunion at a faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it also produces many negative experiences for these very same entities which otherwise would not exist because being of a first level and second level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short wave cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of their interaction with the human species in its short wave ethereal/physical cycle.

Q: (L) The comment was made at one point that certain alien beings abduct humans and subject them to cruel and torturous deaths in order to create "maximum energy transfer." In this respect, what is this maximum energy transfer that occurs during a long, slow, torturous dying process?

A: Extreme fear and anxiety builds up fear/anxiety energy which is of a negative nature which fuels the beings that you speak of in that they draw from that and produce a sort of a fueling energy which keeps them going as one of their forms of nourishment based on their metabolic structure.

When, as stated in Session 27 September 2025 Many pets and other non-human creatures have soul imprints, and when from Session 27 September 2025 the following discussion of the motives behind some forms of cattle mutilation gains new meaning:
Why do they take an eyeball? What do they want only one eyeball? - Study soul pattern.
Session 25 May 1996

Q: (L) Variability of physicality. Okay, I have also been reading about cattle mutilations, that specific parts of the body are taken...

A: Rumen.

Q: (L) What is that?

A: Cattle part.

[The rumen, also known as a paunch, forms the larger part of the reticulorumen, which is the first chamber in the alimentary canal of ruminant animals.]

Q: (L) Why do they take an eyeball? What do they want only one eyeball?

A: Study soul pattern.

Q: (L) Can you study a soul pattern through an eyeball?

A: Like a tape recorder.

Q: (L) Why do they take part of a lip?

A: DNA library.

Q: (L) Well, how many eyes and DNA libraries do they need. This is happening a lot.

A: Some is copy cat by "secret government."

When as brought up in Session 22 October 1994

a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half

and as we now have from Session 27 September 2025 that Many pets and other non-human creatures have soul imprints, - then there are some pets that after their life in physical existence experience an ethereal state. Here is one example:

Kitty is now a guard
Session 30 January 2021

(Artemis) Oxajil wanted me to ask about her kitty. I was going to ask if there's anything you can say about her kitty that might help Oxajil?

A: Kitty is now a guard.

Q: (L) So her kitty has become a guard in the astral realms?

A: Yes.

And similarly:
Close to you and guarding
Session 13 January 2024

Q: (L) T.C and his wife KSee want to know where Denny is and how he’s doing. I normally wouldn't ask this, but it was really very traumatic for them, and they would like to know where Denny is.

A: Close to you and guarding.

 

[thorbiorn]

Previously, in this post there was an excerpt where one finds:
When you assume that capture and imprisonment of those of lesser capacity than you is for "the good," why should not you expect those of greater capacity than you to assume the same regarding you?!?
Session 14 July 1996

Q: (L) Now, I am curious about the doggie image that was on the aura photo that MM took?
A: In these times, 2nd density creatures will collect more and more attachments.
Q: (L) Are these attachments like other entities?
A: Yes, and others.
Q: (L) When they are collecting these attachments, are they collecting them from us, as in protecting?
A: No
.Q: (L) Are they being used to collect attachments to be detrimental to us?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) You mean we are gonna have to do depossessions on our dogs, too? (V) Holy Toledo!
A: That won't work.
Q: (L) Why are our animals picking up attachments?
A: Because of vibrational frequency intensifications.
Q: (L) Is there something we could do? I mean, are we supposed to get rid of pets?
A: We would never suggest something as harsh as this. However, beware: 3rd density STS orientation includes the thought of "dominion" over 2nd density, and this is merely a continuation of the energy buildups of the approach of the wave... Some of the lessons are interesting indeed. When you assume that capture and imprisonment of those of lesser capacity than you is for "the good," why should not you expect those of greater capacity than you to assume the same regarding you?!?

Among the 1998 Session published in late July 2023, there was a remark that relates:
You do not get to choose the nature of interaction with 4th density STS! Unless of course hamsters, chirpy little birds in cages and sweet, sad, dependent doggie "friends" get to choose the nature of their interactions with you!
Session 18 July 1998

Q: (L) What is the source of this contact with this guy Dean Fagerstrom?

A: Source is partially 5th density, partially 4th density.

Q: (L) Is he really channeling Franz Liszt?

A: No. Mental imprint from hyperspace.

Q: (L) What was this device that came into his room that floated in front of his face and made the sound?

A: 4th density imprinting device.

Q: (L) What was it imprinting?

A: Knowledge.

Q: (L) Well, I would like to play Franz Liszt! Why haven't we had something like this?

A: You do not get to choose the nature of interaction with 4th density STS! Unless of course hamsters, chirpy little birds in cages and sweet, sad, dependent doggie "friends" get to choose the nature of their interactions with you!

Q: (L) So, you are comparing Mr. Dean Fagerstrom to a hamster, a bird, or a doggie?

A: Why not? It is the same thing.

Q: (L) And, he seems to be very obedient! (T) So, they are just jerking him and other people around through him.

A: Yes.

Perhaps it relates to this excerpt included in a previous post:
Dogs are subjective and personal and a human can be objective in terms of what can be given to others
Session 30 May 2009

Q: (L) {First question} L*** A*** just had to have her two old sick doggies put down yesterday partly so she could start her new life, but also because there is simply no other choice considering the situation. {Note: The individual is moving to a new city where she has an offer to live and work, and the apartment does not accept dogs. Both of them were quite old and on various meds so not good candidates for adoption.} She's very upset and missing them. Is there anything I can say or anything you can say to give her any kind of pointer as to whether or not this was the right thing to do? The Cs explain one difference between a dog and a human as: "Dogs are subjective and personal and a human can be objective in terms of what can be given to others."
A: Right 5D for pets
Q: (L) Okay. Is there any particular goal for her to focus on at the present time?
A: Getting well will be facilitated by focusing on others as the reason to get better. Giving her life to dogs didn't give much to the world nor did it bring much return except subjective illusion. As Gurdjieff said, you get back what you give to life.
Q: (L) Well, for a long time she didn't have anything except the dogs, and now the dogs are gone. I think she's feeling pretty bereft. And you're saying the doggies went to doggie 5D so to speak...
A: One day she will have a dog that will return the favors.
Q: (L) She made the remark that since her dogs were old and sick and on medication, and she was sick and on medication, that maybe she wasn't worth keeping alive either.
A: Apples and oranges. Dogs are subjective and personal and a human can be objective in terms of what can be given to others.
Q: (L) So you're saying that keeping a dog alive {by extraordinary means} is just keeping alive something that's subjective and personal to you, while a human can be kept alive and give a great deal that's objectively beneficial to other people {depending on the individual, of course}. Is that it?
A: Yes

If "a human can be objective in terms of what can be given to others." how much can a human really give to a pet? I can't find the answer, though in the following there is: it [a soul imprint] is more likely for a soul to "grow" when interacting with 4th Density STO. STS tends to drain energy for its own use.
Session 14 September 2002

Q: (L) Okay, now we have a couple of questions we want to get to here. You said before that OP's were originally intended as a bridge between second and third densities and that they were used. Is Mouravieff right about the potential for OP's to advance being dependent upon souled beings advancement to STO at the end of this cycle?

A: Not exactly. A soul imprint can grow independent of the cycle. However, it is more likely for a soul to "grow" when interacting with 4th Density STO. STS tends to drain energy for its own use.

This was about OP's. Among say dogs, is there also an OP grade there? Why should dogs all be dogs more than humans are humans? Anyway, about human OP's, there is:
We have indicated that 4D STS drains through OP's.
Session 14 September 2002

Q: (L) Next? (V) Did we ask if if 4th density drains energy from OP's?

A: We have indicated that 4D STS drains through OP's.

"We have indicated" refers to a session two months earlier:
Session 13 July 2002

Q: (A) Now, I was reading in the transcripts that sleep is necessary for human beings because it was a period of rest and recharging. You also said that the SOUL rests while the body is sleeping. So, the question is: what source of energy is tapped to recharge both the body and the soul?

A: The question needs to be separated. What happens to a souled individual is different from an organic portal unit.

Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is embodied in Organic Portals is something like the soul pool that is theorized to exist for flora and fauna. This would, of course, explain the striking and inexplicable similarity of psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from one another in the way that different species of trees are different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't have souls, where does the energy come from that recharges Organic Portals?

A: The pool you have described.

Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar pool, only maybe the "human" pool?

A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a higher center of creative energy. During sleep, the emotional center, not being blocked by the lower intellectual center and the moving center, transduces the energy from the sexual center. It is also the time during which the higher emotional and intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower centers' interaction with those pesky organic portals so much loved by the lower centers. This respite alone is sufficient to make a difference. But, more than that, the energy of the sexual center is also more available to the other higher centers.

The continuation is relevant as far as explaining what is meant by the higher and lower centers.

Q: (L) Well, the next logical question was: where does the so-called "sexual center" get ITS energy?

A: The sexual center is in direct contact with 7th density in its "feminine" creative thought of "Thou, I Love." The "outbreath" of "God" in the relief of constriction. Pulsation. Unstable Gravity Waves.

Q: Do the "centers" as described by Mouravieff relate at all to the idea of "chakras?"

A: Quite closely. In an individual of the organic variety, the so-called higher chakras are "produced in effect" by stealing that energy from souled beings. This is what gives them the ability to emulate souled beings. The souled being is, in effect, perceiving a mirror of their own soul when they ascribe "soul qualities" to such beings.

Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?

A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.

Lower moving center - basal chakra

Lower emotional - sexual chakra

Lower intellectual - throat chakra

Higher emotional - heart chakra

Higher intellectual - crown chakra

Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?

A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.

{Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's crook"

configuration.}

Apparently, sometimes the relations people perceive they have with animals can have root in earlier experiences, though the following is unusual:
Session 28 August 1999

Q: I have this book, this Marcia Schafer thing: "Confessions of an Intergalactic Anthropologist," and its a bunch of channelled stuff; one thing she says: "the snake is associated with the sign of wisdom and higher learning, and is often regarded quite highly in mystical circles." She had an interaction with a rattlesnake, for which she felt sympathy, and she also has sympathetic interactions with Lizzies. I would like to have a comment on the idea of the snake as a "sign of wisdom and higher learning." Does this, in fact, represent what the snake symbolizes?

A: Snake is/was reported in context of the viewpoint of the observer.

Q: Are you saying that when the observer's viewpoint is that the snake is a symbol of higher learning, maybe...

A: Maybe the observer was just "blown away" by the experience.

Q: Clarify, please.

A: If you were living in the desert, or jungle, about 7,000 years ago, as you measure time, would you not be impressed if these Reptoid "dudes" came down from the heavens in silvery objects and demonstrated techno-wonders from thousands of years in the future, and taught you calculus, geometry and astrophysics to boot?!?

Q: Is that, in fact, what happened?

A: Yup.

In and earlier post, there was this excerpt, which could raise the question if some ideas we have adopted about animals might be Lizard inspired?
Session 29 October 1994

Q: (L) According to shamanistic teachings, one can have animal spirits or guides. Is this correct?
A: Partly. You have them if you believe you have them.
Q: (L) If believing in them makes it so, is this belief beneficial?
A: All belief is beneficial at some level.
Q: (L) Did Jesus of Nazareth believe in animal spirits or totems?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is it just New Age revival of superstition?
A: Shamanism is subjective and limits. Lizard inspired.

A few lines about the history of pets
Having found a number of excerpts about pets, what does the Wiki say about the history of pets? It turns out that though pets have a long history they became more widespread in the modern era. Before that animals were used as livestock, for transport, herding, hunting and guarding. The development of the modern pet can be summarized as a fashion that took hold among the upper classes in parts of Europe in the 17th century, followed by the increased desire and ability to adopt the same trend by other social groups, while business interests made sure to nourish the demand and translate it into a profit.

Ancient history
Ancient Greeks and Romans would openly grieve for the loss of a dog, evidenced by inscriptions left on tombstones commemorating their loss.The surviving epitaphs dedicated to horses are more likely to reference a gratitude for the companionship that had come from war horses rather than race horses. The latter may have chiefly been commemorated as a way to further the owner's fame and glory. In Ancient Egypt, dogs and baboons were kept as pets and buried with their owners. Dogs were given names, which is significant as Egyptians considered names to have magical properties.
[...]
Victorian era: the rise of modern pet keeping
Throughout the 17th and 18th-century pet keeping in the modern sense gradually became accepted throughout Britain. Initially, aristocrats kept dogs for both companionship and hunting. Thus, pet keeping was a sign of elitism within society. By the 19th century, the rise of the middle class stimulated the development of pet keeping and it became inscribed within the bourgeois culture.[70]

Economy
As the popularity of pet-keeping in the modern sense rose during the Victorian era, animals became a fixture within urban culture as commodities and decorative objects.[71] Pet keeping generated a commercial opportunity for entrepreneurs. By the mid-19th century, nearly twenty thousand street vendors in London dealt with live animals.[72] The popularity of animals also developed a demand for animal goods such as accessories and guides for pet keeping. Pet care developed into a big business by the end of the nineteenth century.[73]

Profiteers also sought out pet stealing as a means for economic gain. Utilizing the affection that owners had for their pets, professional dog stealers would capture animals and hold them for ransom.[74] The development of dog stealing reflects the increased value of pets. Pets gradually became defined as the property of their owners. Laws were created that punished offenders for their burglary.[75]

Social
Pets and animals also had social and cultural implications throughout the nineteenth century. The categorization of dogs by their breeds reflected the hierarchical, social order of the Victorian era. The pedigree of a dog represented the high status and lineage of their owners and reinforced social stratification.[76] Middle-class owners valued the ability to associate with the upper-class through ownership of their pets. The ability to care for a pet signified respectability and the capability to be self-sufficient.[77] According to Harriet Ritvo, the identification of "elite animal and elite owner was not a confirmation of the owner's status but a way of redefining it."[78]