Trany Rapper - Heaven
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Cyre2067
The Living Force
Are you kidding? Its hilarious! She's awesome! A 6'11'' Transvestite Rapper? How often do you see that? And she's good at it too.
To each their own I suppose, sorry if you found it offensive.
Edit: One of my friends worked on the video so I was tryin to give it as much publicity as possible.
To each their own I suppose, sorry if you found it offensive.
Edit: One of my friends worked on the video so I was tryin to give it as much publicity as possible.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Puck said:Are you kidding? Its hilarious! She's awesome! A 6'11'' Transvestite Rapper? How often do you see that? And she's good at it too.
To each their own I suppose, sorry if you found it offensive.
Edit: One of my friends worked on the video so I was tryin to give it as much publicity as possible.
Yes, I'm quite serious and it is not a 'to each their own' situation. You should know by now what the purpose of this forum is and why we are here. The fact that you are incapable of grasping how objectively offensive this was - language and imagery - is testimony to your own ponerization via the type of A influences you continue to 'get a rush from'.
Puck, it is your life - if this video is indicative of the environment you choose to spend it in, that is your choice, but please understand that this is not the place for it. If you can't recognize and respect this forum for what it is, then there is a larger problem.
henry
The Cosmic Force
I agree completely with what Anart has said, Puck. The forum isn't Facebook. There is certainly no place for a video like that here. But as Anart points out, there is a larger problem. You've been around here for quite a while. Why can't you see that for yourself? Or is being part of the forum just another lifestyle choice for one of your 'I's, who comes out when the party-boy gets tired.
Gimpy
The Living Force
Galahad said:
Could this be a social boundary issue? Or just a boundary issue? :/
One of the reasons I'm hesitant to add forum members to my Facebook list is this: Blurring the line between social time and the Work...mistaking 'goofing off' as something appropriate to bring here...
(Its made me look at my Facebook page with new eyes, and realize most of it is noise that I would never bring here....and it makes me wonder if it would really be worthwhile for other forum members to see. Hmmmm. Program? Probably.
)Does this make sense? Should it be a different thread?
Cyre2067
The Living Force
anart said:
I apologize, I am having a hard time grasping how objective offensive it is, perhaps its because I've seen trannies in crazy outfits performing on stage, and while the language is not something I'd use at work on around the family I thought it worked in the context of the video. What I should have realized is that this forum is Work and Family and thus not appropriate in this context.
Galahad said:
I really liked it and I wanted to share it. That's all I got. Maybe being here is just another lifestyle choice of one of my I's - but it's one I value more then the rest. It's in my mind all the time. It's like a little light of hope or faith that fills me up or a small child that's mine to rear, to guard, and to take care of. Maybe that counts for something or maybe it doesn't.
Puck, you say "the language is not something I'd use at work on around the family" and added "I thought it worked in the context of the video"
If you wouldn't use this language around your family or in your work, why would you use it anywhere? Why is there any part of you, any one of your "Is", that you even feed with this trash? For that is what it is: TRASH.
I'm also wondering why you even want to be part of FOTCM. I mean, have you really read the Statement of Principles?
Finally, I'm wondering if YOU are the kind of person that FOTCM wants.
You know what you remind me of? You remind me of the alien groupies on the top of the skyscraper in "Independence Day."
If you wouldn't use this language around your family or in your work, why would you use it anywhere? Why is there any part of you, any one of your "Is", that you even feed with this trash? For that is what it is: TRASH.
I'm also wondering why you even want to be part of FOTCM. I mean, have you really read the Statement of Principles?
Finally, I'm wondering if YOU are the kind of person that FOTCM wants.
You know what you remind me of? You remind me of the alien groupies on the top of the skyscraper in "Independence Day."
knowledge_of_self
The Living Force
Hey guys
Ok- *takes deep breath* I’m kind of scared to post my thoughts on this because I feel like I’m going to be somehow misunderstood or something but here it goes.
I didn’t see the link Puck posted but I have to say that after reading all your responses I’m actually a bit curious to watch it.
Personally, I think that the responses have been rather emotional and a bit harsh. I DO realize that this is a forum based on the Work and all the principals that apply. I also realize that the people who responded to Puck (ie moderators) are very hard working individuals. They work on themselves and expect others – especially senior members to do the same. This is very understandable.
However- although I realize what you guys are saying to Puck comes from the right place, it comes off as harsh because no one has any background info about what’s going on. The link has been removed, so we have nothing to go on but your word- I have no problem trusting your word but other people who are from PUBLIC places may get the wrong idea.
The way I see it, FOTCM and this group has now opened themselves to FB and a whole new world of people who are NOT interested in the work, and may not even know what the work means. Maybe they see there is something wrong with the world and want to do something, not knowing what- they see the FOTCM link and click on it. It sounds good to them so they come to check this forum that is associated and read a thread like this. It may turn them away. Is this what you want?
Because if so, than I really don’t see a point about attracting people who are not into the Work- ie the general public to FOTCM. I just think that if we’re going on FB with info about FOTCM, we’re going to have to be a bit more flexible to people who are not doing the work.
Now I do realize that Puck is a senior member, and thereby it’s expected of him to take the work more seriously. So I understand why you guys are saying what you’re saying, I just think perhaps it should be said on a more private venue? Like QFS maybe?
I could be wrong about everything I've said... but I just wanted to share this point of view.
Ok- *takes deep breath* I’m kind of scared to post my thoughts on this because I feel like I’m going to be somehow misunderstood or something but here it goes.
I didn’t see the link Puck posted but I have to say that after reading all your responses I’m actually a bit curious to watch it.
Personally, I think that the responses have been rather emotional and a bit harsh. I DO realize that this is a forum based on the Work and all the principals that apply. I also realize that the people who responded to Puck (ie moderators) are very hard working individuals. They work on themselves and expect others – especially senior members to do the same. This is very understandable.
However- although I realize what you guys are saying to Puck comes from the right place, it comes off as harsh because no one has any background info about what’s going on. The link has been removed, so we have nothing to go on but your word- I have no problem trusting your word but other people who are from PUBLIC places may get the wrong idea.
The way I see it, FOTCM and this group has now opened themselves to FB and a whole new world of people who are NOT interested in the work, and may not even know what the work means. Maybe they see there is something wrong with the world and want to do something, not knowing what- they see the FOTCM link and click on it. It sounds good to them so they come to check this forum that is associated and read a thread like this. It may turn them away. Is this what you want?
Because if so, than I really don’t see a point about attracting people who are not into the Work- ie the general public to FOTCM. I just think that if we’re going on FB with info about FOTCM, we’re going to have to be a bit more flexible to people who are not doing the work.
Now I do realize that Puck is a senior member, and thereby it’s expected of him to take the work more seriously. So I understand why you guys are saying what you’re saying, I just think perhaps it should be said on a more private venue? Like QFS maybe?
I could be wrong about everything I've said... but I just wanted to share this point of view.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Deedlet said:
Deedlet, it seems that you do, in fact, have a rather large problem 'trusting our word'.
What is your real concern here? I ask because what you've written indicates that you have no faith whatsoever in the people who run this forum. This forum is not facebook - nor should it be treated as such. If you are simply curious about this video and want to see it for yourself, I'm sure Puck can share it with you on facebook.
d said:
Since the day FOTCM was founded, it has been open to the public and the world at large. We are not changing who we are, what we do and why we are here due to people on facebook. This is not facebook.
d said:
The idea that you would write all of this without even seeing the video - without even knowing what we are discussing - brings into sharp relief how very little trust you put in the people who run this forum - and, perhaps, how little you understand our purpose here.
henry
The Cosmic Force
Deedlet said:
I find this to be a curious way to open your post. Right off the bat, you set us up, so that if we disagree with you, it is because we have misunderstood you...'or something'. Sounds like the predator is in control here.
You admit that you haven't seen the video... and yet you proceed to find all sorts of excuses, justifications, and rationalizations for why the mods are 'rather emotional and a bit harsh'. Sounds like the predator is in control here.
Yet you haven't seen the video.... but you are curious to do so. It sounds to me like you are very strongly identified with Puck. Did the remarks to him trigger something in you?
You mention that Puck is a senior member. There is a difference between being a member of the forum for a long time and being a senior member. One has to do with time, the other with understanding.
How does this sound to you when you reread it?
Oh, so your concern is just for the 'other people'... and yet your entire post is suspicious and distrustful.... Who is lying to whom here?
knowledge_of_self
The Living Force
anart said:
I think you have misunderstood me so I'm going to try and clarify what I meant. My concern was only if a NEW person came here through FB, and read this thread. They may be turned off and form a misconception of the forum because of the responses received. I even stated…
Deedlet said:
So, imo the problem is not my trusting the moderators or what we do here. It is how OTHERS will perceive this forum through our interactions with senior members. I’m not questioning your method or have a trust issue, I just thought from a strategic point of view… maybe this should have been dealt with more privately- ie QFS?
I know there are lessons for others to learn here, but perhaps in the public forum ie ‘the outer circle’ and Puck being a senior member- it may have been more beneficial to speak to him in a more private setting or a more senior level. That is all.
anart said:
I never said it was. The thing is.. and perhaps I’m mistaken, but the way I see it is that yes FOTCM is open to the public and the world at large. But realistically speaking, a high amount members for the FOTCM are probably active members on the forum. Which means they are NOT from a public venue like FB. Most likely, the current members of FOTCM are familiar with what this forum is about, or at least should be…
BUT people who come straight off FB and are lead to this forum because of curiosity due to a link available to them through a friend of a friend who happens to be a member here. They again have no idea what the work is or what we do here. So seeing this thread may turn them off.
Let’s say, you’re a customer walking in to a store that has been recommended to you by some acquaintances. You walk in as the senior staff of the store are very harshly talking to another staff member about them short-changing a customer. Although, what they are telling that person is beneficial to you, the customer- their way of exchanging thoughts seems unprofessional and makes you feel uncomfortable. Don't you think you may be a little put off by witnessing this exchange?
Wouldn't it be beneficial if the senior staff had chosen to take the other staff member to the back , not in view of the public- who are unfamiliar with the context and therefore are more susceptible to misinterpreting the exchange?
I hope I have clarified myself.
Of course, perhaps you have considered this point of view already and disagree with me and believe this is beneficial at this level and if so I DO give you the benefit of the doubt, even if I don’t see it at the moment.
PS. I was just about to post this and saw Galahad's reply. Galahad, I hope this post clarifies a few things. My curiosity of wanting to see the video came from wanting to see what was so bad as to get this sort of reaction. Maybe you're right and a part of me identified with Puck, I will look deeper into this. Also I assumed Puck was a senior member, and part of QFS which goes to show never assume anything.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Deedlet, you are making enormous assumptions and we have not at all misunderstood you. Not that it is anyone's business, but for the purposes of clarifying things for you, Puck is not in QFS, nor is he a senior member of this forum.
Puck is a young man with a lot of potential who cannot decide what he wants - he is trapped in illusion and takes it for reality. He is feeding the small part of himself to the detriment of the great part of himself and this is an ongoing issue - an issue that a part of him is very aware of. This is his life and these are his choices, but as long as he chooses to be a part of this network, he will continue to receive objective feedback about his behavior when he's lost in illusion. We love him too much as person to do anything else.
We think highly of Puck, or we wouldn't waste time and energy explaining this to him.
You are making assumptions across the board - about Puck, about this forum, about its moderators and about the reactions of people who you do not know and who will most probably never even see this thread.
In short, you don't know what you're lecturing about and you are either identifying strongly with Puck in this situation or you have yet to truly explain to us what is going on inside you to prompt such a disproportionate, and inappropriate, reaction on your part.
Puck is a young man with a lot of potential who cannot decide what he wants - he is trapped in illusion and takes it for reality. He is feeding the small part of himself to the detriment of the great part of himself and this is an ongoing issue - an issue that a part of him is very aware of. This is his life and these are his choices, but as long as he chooses to be a part of this network, he will continue to receive objective feedback about his behavior when he's lost in illusion. We love him too much as person to do anything else.
We think highly of Puck, or we wouldn't waste time and energy explaining this to him.
You are making assumptions across the board - about Puck, about this forum, about its moderators and about the reactions of people who you do not know and who will most probably never even see this thread.
In short, you don't know what you're lecturing about and you are either identifying strongly with Puck in this situation or you have yet to truly explain to us what is going on inside you to prompt such a disproportionate, and inappropriate, reaction on your part.
knowledge_of_self
The Living Force
anart said:
You're right and I did make a lot of assumptions, and for that I apologize.
I think a part of me did identify with puck because I identified with his age group and perceive a lot of people around our age to have this type of programing and 'archetype'. And because I also have a trany friend... and this in a way is what originally caused me to check out this thread. I see that I'm running a lot of programs.
I have to say that I was a little scared to post my thoughts at first, but now I'm glad I did because it caused me to see my own programs and assumptions. Thank you for all the clarifications. Though I do apologize if I took away from the thread.
