True networking

[Ina]

What does it mean? You mean the knowledge that have given and have been discussed in the sessions and the forum..yes but I meant the "thought" because even to many of you who are in the sessions and are active members governed with the statute of paleochristianity implies separation 1 of the network then physical but that is not an impediment.

I am sure I did not understand what you meant with seeing eachother.

 

[Jimmy Ssaz]

I am sure I did not understand what you meant with seeing eachother.

What siblings do when they are family they see each other if they can tell each other things and support each other well that in 4d sad I mean.

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

I think you're just worried and perhaps overthinking things. Networking is just interacting and sharing here on the forum.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Alejo]

What does it mean? You mean the knowledge that have given and have been discussed in the sessions and the forum..yes but I meant the "thought" because even to many of you who are in the sessions and are active members governed with the statute of paleochristianity implies separation 1 of the network then physical but that is not an impediment.

I think what Ina meant was that beyond learning information about so many given topics, we are also learning principles and values.. those are things that get exercised by active participation here, but in is absence, one can carry on those principles in one's life going forward.

 

[Jimmy Ssaz]

I think what Ina meant was that beyond learning information about so many given topics, we are also learning principles and values.. those are things that get exercised by active participation here, but in is absence, one can carry on those principles in one's life going forward.

Ah well your application actions that reflect what you learn on a daily basis regardless of whether or not you are in the forum or in the Paleo-Christianity group without mocking anyone or taking advantage or abusing authority much less cyber-bulling anyone.

Nor much less allow a contest leaving someone as a toy for entertainment.

Well in that case I do not think that in a forum you can crucify someone as in Rome-Judea.

 

[Ina]

Ah well your application actions that reflect what you learn on a daily basis regardless of whether or not you are in the forum or in the Paleo-Christianity group without mocking anyone or taking advantage or abusing authority much less cyber-bulling anyone.

Nor much less allow a contest leaving someone as a toy for entertainment.

Well in that case I do not think that in a forum you can crucify someone as in Rome-Judea.

I am Christian Orthodox, and I am not a part of the FOTCM. Moreover, I have not participated to any session with the Cs. The values and principles Alejo mentioned globally, are colinear with what I had before joining the forum. I cannot say anything with regard to paleochristianity because I know about it exactly enough to be dangerous. :) I still need to do my homework and apply my mind, especially for not creating unnecesary stress out of ignorance.
The last sentence I interpret it as a criticism and I think it has a heavy metaphor and you mean that either the forum replies do not always stick to the values and principles or that the people writing the comments behave like the Roman administration in Judeea and crucify anyone that does not follow your perception of a type of thinking.
I am sorry you have this impression but I want to tell you that it is premature to judge any type of feedback, before 1000 posts, and even then, it is never recommended to judge anything or anyone.
And another thing, people, I mean people that contribute to this forum are, the best of unknown individuals you might ever wish to have serious discussions with.
I wish you peaceful and very pleasant pascal celebrations.

 

[Wandering Star]

As Einstein said:

"We are all ignorant, only some of us are ignorant of some things and others of us are ignorant of other things!"

With the sum of all of us we manage to be somewhat less ignorant.

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

I have just reviewed this thread and made numerous face palms with my answer. I was funny!

I now appreciate and understood most of the responses made here. Thank you! It was a wonderful review for me.

Can I just ask how do you create the balance with keeping up with the forum and with our day to day lives? I have seen this as a struggle and sometimes become too absorbed of my personal issues/lessons.

I think the same amount of energy of worry in my issues is the same energy I could use that instead of worrying over my life which gets me stressed, I could turn it into something less stressful like networking here?

How do you find the balance of learning about the truth of the world where it's just enough to make sure you do not also neglect your own lessons?

 

[iamthatis]

I have just reviewed this thread and made numerous face palms with my answer. I was funny!

I now appreciate and understood most of the responses made here. Thank you! It was a wonderful review for me.

Can I just ask how do you create the balance with keeping up with the forum and with our day to day lives? I have seen this as a struggle and sometimes become too absorbed of my personal issues/lessons.

I think the same amount of energy of worry in my issues is the same energy I could use that instead of worrying over my life which gets me stressed, I could turn it into something less stressful like networking here?

How do you find the balance of learning about the truth of the world where it's just enough to make sure you do not also neglect your own lessons?

I think it's really up to each of us to decide how much to give to each aspect of our lives. It's a great practice to check in, take a good long look at one's life, sort of a grand overview, and see if you're out of balance in some way. One problem I've had recently was addiction to the internet. So when I'm on my A-game, I set a timer when I'm on the computer. If it means I'm on the forum less, so be it. Balance always means sacrificing one thing for another.

There's a few hints from the C's that may give you some food for thought with regards to the seeming paradox of working on one's issues (which can be seen as selfish) and striving for true empathy (selflessness or service) :

And from May 10, 2014:

Q: (L) Can anybody think of another question to get me where I want to go here? (shellycheval) As individuals, what’s the single most important thing we should do to Do, and to not try, but to actually take actions? What can we do to motivate ourselves as individuals? Is there something we can say or do…?

A: Service to others. Notice that the people with the most problems that always talk only about themselves and their troubles, are the ones who do and give the least. They do not have confidence in the universal law of LIFE: Get things moving and you create a vacuum in your life into which energy can flow.

Q: (L) So, basically what you’re saying is that people should think of it as a kind of a law that when you… maybe like the old biblical expression: “Cast your bread on the waters, and after many days, it will return to you” sort of thing? Just do it, and keep doing it without anticipation?

A: Absolutely! And it is true and works. Just notice people who do and give a lot: Are they spending time focused on the self? No!

Q: (L) Yeah, but everybody’s got wounds and issues and all that kind of thing to work on. I mean…

A: [letters come very quickly] Balance! A portion of a day can be spent on reflection, but not too much. This is the Wetiko Virus: obsession with the self and subjective personal issues. The next time you feel yourself slipping into despair, just tell others how you are feeling and think of something you can do for another to prevent them from suffering the same feelings. [letters come more slowly now] Thus you will witness the birth of true empathy.

But it is also important to take care of what is directly in front of you, and the C's gave a short list in order of importance:

Aug 23, 2014:

Q: (L) Okay, is there any final bit of advice, or any last thing to say before we shut down for the night?

A: Just work daily at becoming more aware on three levels

1. Body and immediate environment,
2. Wider world affairs,
3. Cosmos and spirit.

Q: (L) Shouldn’t “spirit” go with “Body and immediate environment”?

A: No, it is via the first steps that one achieves cosmic consciousness.

Q: (L) I don’t understand.

(Chu) You have to work on the body and environment, and then understand the wider world at first. And then you can develop cosmic consciousness and spirit.

(L) Oooh. So in other words, to achieve cosmic consciousness, i.e. true spiritual advancement, you have to expand your field of vision to be very wide?

A: Exactly. Those who suggest that you must look only within live in a singular bubble.

To complicate things, there's also the ideas of Gurdjieff, which is basically that in order to grow in Being, one must become way more selfish - but selfish in a conscious way. One concrete example of this is assertiveness training. Picture someone who has very poor boundaries. They are giving, giving, giving - all the time - but they do so mechanically. They can't say no. They think they are STO, telling themselves a wonderful story about how caring they are. But in reality, they fear conflict, they fear disapproval, and they fear who they truly are. The one who is giving all the time is a false personality, ruled by fear. Assertiveness training and learning to assert boundaries, for me at least, has been a practice of becoming consciously selfish, being more authentic, and not allowing fear of disapproval or rejection control my behaviours.

On a broader scale, focusing on yourself, and your relationship with the Work, is paramount, and should be the main criterion for all decisions. I think this is absolutely the case, because we won't be able to help anyone unless we first learn to help ourselves. In the same way, it's hard to learn to love others if we do not first learn to love ourselves. Kinda like this bit from the Tao:

Ch. 33

Whoever relies on the Tao in governing men
doesn't try to force issues
or defeat enemies by force of arms.
For every force there is a counterforce.
Violence, even well intentioned,
always rebounds upon oneself.

The Master does his job
and then stops.
He understands that the universe
is forever out of control,
and that trying to dominate events
goes against the current of the Tao.
Because he believes in himself,
he doesn't try to convince others.
Because he is content with himself,
he doesn't need others' approval.
Because he accepts himself,
the whole world accepts him.

So when the inner Work has progressed to a certain degree - which usually means identifying the lies we tell ourselves, and radically changing our thinking to orient towards the truth, intentional suffering and doing what we don't like because it's good for us - then outer Work comes much more naturally. OSIT.

But in what way are you focusing on yourself? What's going on in the inner Work? That's always the burning question! From what you've written, I think something you could probably experiment with is to transition away from worrying about your issues, and meet them with a different energy. Worrying is different than thinking carefully about an issue, and taking concrete steps to correct it, right? Growing in knowledge about this or that issue, and then acting on it, will probably stop the drain and your energy will accumulate, which is a way of loving yourself, thus 'filling your cup', maybe in preparation for true giving. Of course, sometimes it feels more like lighting a freakin' bonfire inside, but you get the drift.

 

[Alejo]

How do you find the balance of learning about the truth of the world where it's just enough to make sure you do not also neglect your own lessons?

Personally, I dedicate a specific time of the day to visit the forum and catch up, more If I need to or want to. But that has become my sacred forum time, and I treat it as I would most other daily tasks, showering or cooking for instance.

At some point, it becomes a practical matter.

 

[whitecoast]

I think the same amount of energy of worry in my issues is the same energy I could use that instead of worrying over my life which gets me stressed, I could turn it into something less stressful like networking here?

I think reading the literature on the forum about psychology and trauma can be helpful. As long as we are not aware of all the internal little i's we have, they can be large drains of energy. Awareness in my opinion is the first step, and then you gradually learn to provide for yourself things that you try and obtain from draining relationships or dissociative activities. Once you do that you immediately have much more energy, and much less of an unconscious "agenda" about how that energy ought to be used.

 

[Carl]

Can I just ask how do you create the balance with keeping up with the forum and with our day to day lives? I have seen this as a struggle and sometimes become too absorbed of my personal issues/lessons.

I think the same amount of energy of worry in my issues is the same energy I could use that instead of worrying over my life which gets me stressed, I could turn it into something less stressful like networking here?

@iamthatis summed up the complexities very well.

I add that when you find yourself worrying about an issue, it's pretty simple: you can network about that issue. This can be an act of service because it gets energy moving and provides an opportunity for people to help you, which they want to do and which helps them.

Not only that, but your same lessons are likely shared by many others on the forum. Usually when you post about an issue and get feedback, others struggling with the same issue are helped.

If then later, you find that you keep repeating the same issue and all your posts are "me, me, me", then this is different, and you deal with that in a different way to address the balance of energy

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

Just a background, I think it's a delicate matter at the moment to put my concerns in the Internet. I hope you understand.

I tried to network about it with my closest friends and I find that it didnt work for me because there isnt a significant change with my situation. They become my emotional trash bin which I truly appreciate and I get to unload my emotional baggage for a time then I get caught up again to whatever is in front of me again.

I very well agree that @iamthatis sums up pretty much the important points.

A: Just work daily at becoming more aware on three levels

1. Body and immediate environment,
2. Wider world affairs,
3. Cosmos and spirit.

When I joined the forum I had this mixed up. I have 3 first then 1, 2 so I only understand a part of the whole point of what people are trying to get across.

I opted to learn about world events and history, but then I dont understand some points.

If then later, you find that you keep repeating the same issue and all your posts are "me, me, me", then this is different, and you deal with that in a different way to address the balance of energy

Agreed. Another reason perhaps which I put networking to the side for a time is because I dont want the forum to be my daily diary.

Im currently thinking on what creative stuff I can do. It might help to set aside whatever is in front of me for a certain amount of time and not be drained too much.

Question:
On subjective personal issues, the severity of the concern also is one factor. Like on what point does something concerns my personal lessons and what are the things that I should take on?

 

[T.C.]

Question:
On subjective personal issues, the severity of the concern also is one factor. Like on what point does something concerns my personal lessons and what are the things that I should take on?

Could you expand on that a bit? By severity, do you mean how serious a personal issue might be, or do you mean how relative it is on a grand, universal scale?

If I’m in the right ball-park here, I think this is something that can only be figured out by networking, and that it is the actual reason for networking.

There have been countless times when people have networked their problems, and the feedback has helped them to realise they were making a mountain out of a molehill, because of their self importance. That very realisation often serves to pull them out of the mud and move them past the issue.

On the other hand, the predator’s mind is sneaky and it downplays other things which to us seem minor, but which the network point out are serious issues.

Again, networking about what is specifically bothering you is the only way to sort these things out.

Also, what did you mean when you said, “take on”?

 

[Ina]

I have just reviewed this thread and made numerous face palms with my answer. I was funny!

I now appreciate and understood most of the responses made here. Thank you! It was a wonderful review for me.

Can I just ask how do you create the balance with keeping up with the forum and with our day to day lives? I have seen this as a struggle and sometimes become too absorbed of my personal issues/lessons.

I think the same amount of energy of worry in my issues is the same energy I could use that instead of worrying over my life which gets me stressed, I could turn it into something less stressful like networking here?

How do you find the balance of learning about the truth of the world where it's just enough to make sure you do not also neglect your own lessons?

I guess it is more like learning to sing, and finding your natural singing voice. Have you tried yet to find your natural singing voice? It is no joke, it can be difficult, you might think you want to sing in the most correct way but when you listen it sounds fake, or you might try imitating another voice, and again, you are not happy. It is about you. Remember what makes you come to interact on the Forum and trust yourself and enjoy yourself sharing.