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And the more you try to sincerely help someone else, the clearer your inner world tends to look, from my experience.

Sincerity, that's one of the key things. First of all, be sincere with yourself. I often observe that I justify my actions, but deep down, my soul says otherwise. It's not always clear, but it's something to think about.

 

[Alejo]

Sincerity, that's one of the key things. First of all, be sincere with yourself. I often observe that I justify my actions, but deep down, my soul says otherwise. It's not always clear, but it's something to think about.

I have found that a healthy dose of self doubt, and non identification with what you come up with to justify your actions, can go a long way.

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

I reviewed and remind myself again of networking and I now have questions. Since we all are learning here and helping each one, with all our unique way of processing things and learning, how can we know if our input helps? and to what extent will you tell or help a person such that he will also not miss out anything on his lessons?

 

[Uperios]

When the person truly seeks knowledge, he can not receive false knowledge. So we do our best to share, the seeker will present itself. And not everyone will have the same benefits from the same information.

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

When the person truly seeks knowledge, he can not receive false knowledge.

When I sought for a deeper understanding, I was presented with the fascist system of beliefs of religion yet I was genuine with my search. So when you say that he can not receive false knowledge, is it with the assumption that whatever other's give to the one who asks, it is a given that that person has the ability to sift through what was presented to him?

So we do our best to share, the seeker will present itself. And not everyone will have the same benefits from the same information.

Another question, is the best we share, the best for the seeker too? Say I share about boundaries and I write about all of my experiences in that thread. When should I stop or when should one not intervene at all, just like how the Cs just give clues?

 

[Ina]

I reviewed and remind myself again of networking and I now have questions. Since we all are learning here and helping each one, with all our unique way of processing things and learning, how can we know if our input helps? and to what extent will you tell or help a person such that he will also not miss out anything on his lessons?

You can only offer Without expecting results.

 

[Uperios]

So when you say that he can not receive false knowledge, is it with the assumption that whatever other's give to the one who asks, it is a given that that person has the ability to sift through what was presented to him?

Regarding this, recently I was speaking with my wife and wondering how I was able not to be fanatic regarding David Icke material (before encountering Laura's work), now I don't follow his work, and that's why I was saying "When the person truly seeks knowledge, he can not receive false knowledge" (C's said this in a session if I remember correctly).
So we need to be open to new information IMO.

Another question, is the best we share, the best for the seeker too?

Like Ina said:

You can only offer Without expecting results.

And also to "see" if the person is able to process this and willing to listen (on this I need to work )

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

You can only offer Without expecting results.

Hi @Ina ! Can you please elaborate further because it seems like I get it but I dont get it.

I understand that when you offer help, you give your insight without any expectations. Is the expectation something like an acknowledgment from the seeker that he/she helped you, or expectation that your insight will help the seeker?

Regarding this, recently I was speaking with my wife and wondering how I was able not to be fanatic regarding David Icke material (before encountering Laura's work), now I don't follow his work, and that's why I was saying "When the person truly seeks knowledge, he can not receive false knowledge" (C's said this in a session if I remember correctly).
So we need to be open to new information IMO.

I can also attest to this. When I joined the forum, i also have some thoughts which I thought was truth, and read Laura's work to find out that the opposite was truth. I believe being open is a factor that truly helps.

 

[Chu]

I reviewed and remind myself again of networking and I now have questions. Since we all are learning here and helping each one, with all our unique way of processing things and learning, how can we know if our input helps? and to what extent will you tell or help a person such that he will also not miss out anything on his lessons?

You can add your bit, another person will add something else, etc. And the receiver is giving at the same time, by sharing. Each person takes onboard what they can, depending on where they are at. We are not the Cs, and we are far from perfect. Sometimes you may say "the wrong" thing to someone, but you learn too. So, learning is all there is if the intent is there (which, we can hope everybody joining this forum has, to one extent or another). Without networking, the person goes on a loop, and never "expands", so to speak. Will it be perfect? No way, but we are also learning how to network better every day.

 

[Palinurus]

Regarding this, recently I was speaking with my wife and wondering how I was able not to be fanatic regarding David Icke material (before encountering Laura's work), now I don't follow his work, and that's why I was saying "When the person truly seeks knowledge, he can not receive false knowledge" (C's said this in a session if I remember correctly).
So we need to be open to new information IMO.

When I sought for a deeper understanding, I was presented with the fascist system of beliefs of religion yet I was genuine with my search. So when you say that he can not receive false knowledge, is it with the assumption that whatever other's give to the one who asks, it is a given that that person has the ability to sift through what was presented to him?

The session wherein the C's made their remarks on false knowledge was Session October 22, 1994

It may be worthwhile to read the exchange in its proper context as there were some interesting strings attached to the notion of false knowledge being prohibited if one were a genuine seeker of real objective truth, i.e. never truly satisfied before reaching the absolute bottom of things in a complete, exhaustive and all encompassing explanation. Which, of course, is a fairly tall order.

 

[Alejo]

I reviewed and remind myself again of networking and I now have questions. Since we all are learning here and helping each one, with all our unique way of processing things and learning, how can we know if our input helps? and to what extent will you tell or help a person such that he will also not miss out anything on his lessons?

I think it's very broad a question, How can we know if our input helps? the answer is, we don't know. But if you flip it, the same is true, how do we know our input doesn't help anyone? The answer is the same, we don't know. At which point I believe what we do, specially when giving input to someone else, or feedback, is to be as sincere as possible in our intent.

And that requires some work, and honesty. Maybe we're giving input because WE want to see that person be well, for self serving reasons, but even if that is true, it doesn't mean it won't help that person, and ourselves as we learn about us and our inclinations. In that case, I think what matters is not only intent, but how sincere and honest we are with ourselves about our intentions and their origin.

And how can you tell someone something that won't impede their own lessons? I think that is impossible to determine, because no one really knows what lessons anyone else signed up for, so determining whether having an input in their lives will help or hinder them is impossible. Some people, I daresay, will have a lesson plan that includes ignoring feedback, some that include receiving and abiding by feedback. And yet some others have lessons that include learning to give feedback and some others learning to remain quiet.

At which point, the same applies.. our intent, and our honesty with the person and with ourselves.

Which brings me to another form of input, which is sharing ourselves, sharing our own experience for others to learn, or to give others a chance to help us, and I believe if one has a sincere intent of sharing oneself, then those who will find it helpful will find resonance with what is being shared, and those who don't, won't.

Same thing applies with input in someone's life, because when you think about it, we can only share from our own selves, and that means that we can only share what we have learned from our own experiences.. which means, that whether we're telling someone something that happened to us, or responding to someone about something that happened to them.. we are always offering ourselves to them, which adds another concept to the above two, humility.

In summary, we don't know if we're helping or hindering someone by responding to them or by sharing our woes, but if it comes from a sincere, self aware place, with the intent of sharing ourselves with everyone, whether they're going to resonate with us or not, and in a humble manner that accepts the fact that we don't know if it's going to help or not, then we create better chances for that information to find a way to grow beyond ourselves.

And that is I think the best we can do, from a humble place that could potentially have very large implications.

My two cents.

 

[Ina]

Hi @Ina ! Can you please elaborate further because it seems like I get it but I dont get it.

I understand that when you offer help, you give your insight without any expectations. Is the expectation something like an acknowledgment from the seeker that he/she helped you, or expectation that your insight will help the seeker?

The expectation would relate closely to motivation for the offer. If motivation is backed by duty and responsibility in the absence of self importance, then, there is no need for acknowledgement or validation of insight. Also help is valuable when given in questions rather than answers or directions as how to recipes.

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The best answer to a Why question Is the single word Because.
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[Princess Lux 🌷]

Q: (L) Are there any technological means we can use?

A: The only defense needed is knowledge. Knowledge defends you against every possible form of harm in existence. The more knowledge you have, the less fear you have, the less pain you have, the less stress you feel, the less anguish you feel, and the less danger you experience of any form or sort. Think of this very carefully now for this is very important: Where is there any limitation in the concept behind the word "knowledge"? Being that there is no limitation, what is the value of that word? Infinite. Can you conceive of how that one concept, that one meaning frees you from all limitation? Use your sixth sense to conceive of how the word, the term, the meaning of knowledge can provide with all that you could possibly ever need. If you think carefully you will begin to see glimpses of how this is true in its greatest possible form.

Q: (L) Does this include knowledge learned from books?

A: This includes all possible meanings of the concept of the word. Can you think of how it would be that simply with one term, this one word can carry so much meaning? We sense that you are not completely aware. You can have glimpses of illumination and illumination comes from knowledge. If you strive perpetually to gain and gather knowledge, you provide yourself with protection from every possible negative occurrence that could ever happen. Do you know why this is? The more knowledge you have, the more awareness you have as to how to protect yourself. Eventually this awareness becomes so powerful and so all encompassing that you do not even have to perform tasks or rituals, if you prefer, to protect yourself. The protection simply comes naturally with the awareness.

Q: (L) Does knowledge have a substance or an existence apart from its possession or its acceptance?

A: Knowledge has all substance. It goes to the core of all existence.

Q: (L) So acquiring knowledge includes adding substance to one's being?

A: Indeed. It includes adding everything to one's being that is desirable. And also, when you keep invoking the light, as you do, truly understand that the light is knowledge. That is the knowledge which is at the core of all existence. And being at the core of all existence it provides protection from every form of negativity in existence. Light is everything and everything is knowledge and knowledge is everything. You are doing extremely well in acquiring of knowledge. Now all you need is the faith and realization that acquiring of knowledge is all you need.

Q: (L) I just want to be sure that the source that I am acquiring the knowledge from is not a deceptive source.

A: If you simply have faith, no knowledge that you could possibly acquire could possibly be false because there is no such thing. Anyone or anything that tries to give you false knowledge, false information, will fail. The very material substance that the knowledge takes on, since it is at the root of all existence, will protect you from absorption of false information which is not knowledge. There is no need to fear the absorption of false information when you are simply openly seeking to acquire knowledge. And knowledge forms the protection -- all the protection you could ever need.

Q: (L) There are an awful lot of people who are being open and trusting and having faith who are getting zapped and knocked on their rears.

A: No. That is simply your perception. What you are failing to perceive is that these people are not really gathering knowledge. These people are stuck at some point in their pathway to progress and they are undergoing a hidden manifestation of what is referred to in your terms as obsession. Obsession is not knowledge, obsession is stagnation. So, when one becomes obsessed, one actually closes off the absorption and the growth and the progress of soul development which comes with the gaining of true knowledge. For when one becomes obsessed one deteriorates the protection therefore one is open to problems, to tragedies, to all sorts of difficulties. Therefore one experiences same.

-- October 22 1994
Thank you @Palinurus!

Also help is valuable when given in questions rather than answers or directions as how to recipes.

Ditto!

In that case, I think what matters is not only intent, but how sincere and honest we are with ourselves about our intentions and their origin.

Thank you Alejo! It makes sense and I see both sincerity and honesty as having equal weight when networking. I have experienced both where I say everything about a certain subject that I sound like a know-it-all and when I can only offer silence when I think what I can say can impact my relationship with a person. To help with this concern, I pray to God to give me the words to say sometimes when making conversations. It works OSIT. On my part, it helps me in being humble that I will never know how a person processes info and I needed God to help me to get my idea across, keeping in my heart the intention that both will learn and strengthen our bond.

Without networking, the person goes on a loop, and never "expands", so to speak.

I appreciate the input. To clarify, is the loop you meant the person's POV?

 

[Alejo]

Thank you Alejo! It makes sense and I see both sincerity and honesty as having equal weight when networking. I have experienced both where I say everything about a certain subject that I sound like a know-it-all and when I can only offer silence when I think what I can say can impact my relationship with a person. To help with this concern, I pray to God to give me the words to say sometimes when making conversations. It works OSIT. On my part, it helps me in being humble that I will never know how a person processes info and I needed God to help me to get my idea across, keeping in my heart the intention that both will learn and strengthen our bond.

And it's a case by case scenario, and also.. remember to notice yourself, and learn about your own motivations when giving feedback, or trying to help someone else.

I appreciate the input. To clarify, is the loop you meant the person's POV?

I think Chu means that without someone else's input, someone can get caught in a situation where their vision of life is the only one, and if it's never challenged, it can only end up in a loop, moving in circles, in an echo chamber.

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

And it's a case by case scenario, and also.. remember to notice yourself, and learn about your own motivations when giving feedback, or trying to help someone else.

Thank you for this reminder @Alejo . This is also something I intend to work out esp when sometimes I can get excited and impulsive when convos/thread seems very interesting that I just itch to butt in a profound insight I have.

I think Chu means that without someone else's input, someone can get caught in a situation where their vision of life is the only one, and if it's never challenged, it can only end up in a loop, moving in circles, in an echo chamber.

Thank you for the answer.