Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

[Ina]

What is a "zobby"? Please could forum posters keep in mind that this is an international forum with many users who are not native English speakers, so please stick to using language that most of us can understand. Thank you.

zionist lobby

 

[Nienna]

The way I'm seeing things is that you have those who despise Trump and/or are afraid of what he will do to those who attacked him, those who have been ruining the country with illegal aliens, pedophiles, lawlessness, imprisoning the innocent for saying the wrong things, tearing families apart, grooming children, sterilizing and mutilating children through transgenderism, unhealthy and deadly 'vaccines' and food, etc.

Then you have those who are disappointed with his appointments for certain positions and are getting people riled up about these choices, which pretty much is doing the same things as those who despise Trump. I can't help but think they are there to get people to turn against Trump before he has even been in office.

I think that Trump has made some very good appointments that will make a difference if he can get them confirmed and the House and Senate don't make it so that they cannot do what they want to do to clean the mess of the Democrats up. And, yes, he is making some poor choices in our opinions. But, we don't know what Trump's plans are. We don't know how his choices will play out in the future and if they will enable a level playing field through means we can't see.

I am just glad that he will be trying to go after some of the things, at least, that need to be cleaned up here in the US. We know for a fact that that would not happen if Harris had been put in as President.

 

[Cosmos]

And, as far as I can see, Trump is already displaying quite some efforts in trying to fulfill many if not all of his core promises to the American people with a number of those appointments (of which many seem to be the last people some PTB want). We shouldn’t forget that he never really (at least openly) promised Zionisms and/or Israel and their infiltrations to be dealt with. He didn’t promise that and that would be political suicide especially so early. So his appointments are not really a surprise and in line with what he said. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he indeed sees quite a number of those problems in private. How and if he can tackle those issues we will see. We might be at least a bit surprised of what he really will do. Also, many of the conservatives in America are pro Israel, so that is another important consideration for why he might be approachibg things in that manner.

 

[RedFox]

It's hard to judge at this stage, but I am reminded that the one things Trump has managed to do consistently (but perhaps not intentionally) is expose people to the truth.
So maybe the appointment of zionist and ultra-nationalist zionists, will lead to the same outcome? I wouldn't be surprised.
Just like the situation in Israel right now is exposing the world to the truth of situation there.
A galvanising of resistance.

So I expect some of the picks to be 'horrific' - because it's likely people are going to need more shocks to start resisting.

From Trumps teams perspective, perhaps it is strategic - and maybe they even all believe in the 'specialness' of zionism - in the same way Peterson does.

It'll be interesting to see what effect Musk, Tulsi and RFK can have. And it'll be interesting to see how 'crazy' they go with Israel and the middle-east. Trying to balance watching the good with the horrific is (just as the situation in Gaza) going to be difficult for sure.

 

[Cosmos]

And to change even just little things significantly to the positive in the long run in the most powerful/corrupted nation in the world is such a tall order from the get-go that we shouldn’t be surprised that that task is probably almost impossible to solve in current conditions anyway. But Trump seems to try it again, which in itself is a commendable thing especially for someone who personally wouldn’t need to face all those risks associated with it.

 

[KJS]

I just watched the US national debt hit $36 trillion. Does the system blow up under Trump?​

Below is a sober take on that by Camron Macgregor (Douglas Macgregor's son). His view is that Trump's election was the last try to breathe the spirit into the dead body.

Looking at the pro-Israeli administration Trump chose, it really feels like collapse is just a matter of months.​

(...) Ultimately, oil remains the most important commodity in the world because industrial-economy and first-world standards of living depend upon it. Historically, speaking, oil price spikes time recessions and forecast higher bond yields. Israel’s war with Iran will almost certainly devastate oil markets by disrupting key producers like Iran (and OPEC members) and key supply routes like the Straits of Hormuz.

Without question, higher oil prices will plunge the US and the global economy into an even worse recession and likely blow up western bond markets at the same time, never mind second and third order effects. Could there be a full blown energy crisis in world, in the United States? What about global trade and supply chains?
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Higher oil prices will plunge the US and the global economy into an even worse recession and likely blow up western bond markets at the same time​

What madness has brought us to the point that Western nations already besieged by existential domestic problems (immigration, polarization, poverty,) are flirting with war at the precise moment when BRICS+ is coalescing into an alternative monetary-economic powerhouse that stands to benefit from any major confrontation? Then again, empires go out with a bang rarely a whimper. It looks like America’s Monetary Empire will be no different.

Welcome to the end of cycle.

Stay liquid, stay alert.​

Gold BRICS+, Broken Bonds, and End of Cycles

The collapse of America's Monetary Empire is upon us.

menandthecity.substack.com

If we believe seers like Jackowski, PTB have everything in place for a controlled demolition and a proposition of a new system (with big fish like Buffett prepared this time via buying long-term commodity contracts while the dollar still means something).

 

[SOTTREADER]

The one appointment for me that I absolutely love is RFK.

I pray he does the job that needs doing. By the end of these 4 years, the liability shield these pharma companies have on vaccines needs to be gone.

The true harm of mRNA COVID jabs needs full exposure.

The corruption around childhood vaccines needs to be exposed.

The revolving door between CDC, FDA etc and pharma industry needs to be stopped.

FDA needs fully turning upside down for the corruption displayed in the past 4 years.

RFK needs to live up to his surname.

 

[Beau]

I'm tired of all these alt-media people being so negative. Berletic, Blumenthal, Henningsen, Rachel Blevins. They don't know what's going to happen and yet they act like everything about Israel is settled. They are supposed to be open minded! They basically think Trump is part of the Deep State, and that is a level of delusion that I cannot fathom for anyone that is supposedly paying attention.

I wanna give a positive note to Scott Ritter. He was a bit like these guys at first, but it seems he's come around to understanding that it's a process and that there's no reason to engage in hand-wringing until we see what they do once in their positions. He wrote a good piece at Consortium News yesterday:

President-elect Donald Trump has sent shockwaves through the national security establishment by appointing former Democratic congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard as his nominee for the position of director of national intelligence.

Social media is ablaze with criticism and condemnation of both the nomination and Gabbard, primarily over past statements she has made critical of U.S. policy regarding Venezuela, Syria, Ukraine, and Russia. Apparently, Gabbard, who serves as a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserves and has served in combat in Iraq, is somehow deemed “un-American” for daring to speak out against bad policy.

It doesn’t matter that history has shown her criticisms to be well-founded.

Or that the ability to make pragmatic, accurate analysis of complex national security problems free of partisan bias is exactly the trait one seeks in an intelligence officer, especially one entrusted with personally briefing the president of the United States.

There are some who say that the task of managing America’s far-flung intelligence empire, comprising 18 distinct agencies spread over multiple departmental jurisdictions, is a task that exceeds the skill set that Gabbard brings to the table. This, of course, is an absurdity — there is no career path that can prepare one for such a challenge.

Just ask Dan Coates, a Republican Senator from Indiana, who served as Trump’s first DNI during his first term despite having no prior experience in the intelligence community. Or Avril Haines, the current DNI for President Biden, who served briefly as the Deputy Director of the C.I.A., again with no previous experience in the intelligence community, before becoming DNI.

Traditionally, the DNI serves as a manager, overseeing an empire the day-to-day running of which is delegated to subordinates within the Office of the Director for National Intelligence (ODNI), or the 18 discreet intelligence agencies.

Donald Trump, however, is no traditional president, and the job of DNI that Tulsi will likely be called upon to perform will be unlike that of any DNI before her.

Traditional establishment models used by all presidents in the post-war era involve policy direction given by the president, before responsibility regarding the formulation of the specifics of the policy is turned over to the national security advisor, where it is staffed out to the various agencies and departments for development and coordination, before being finalized and briefed back to the president, who would then order its implementation.

Donald Trump, however, is not your run-of-the-mill president. He is a top-down manager, who conceives his own policy ideas in a virtual vacuum, dictating orders to cabinet level officers whose job is to implement his instructions to the letter. This can lead to chaos and, in cases where there is opposition to his ideas, rebellion.

Admits He Was Unprepared

It should be noted that one of Trump’s most innovative policy initiatives, the North Korean denuclearization plan, was strongly opposed by his secretary of state, secretary of defense, national security advisor, and director of national intelligence.

Trump, in his pre-election interview with Joe Rogan, admits that in 2016, when he formed his first cabinet, he was not prepared to govern, and as a result was dependent upon the support of people whom he knew little about and who were nominated for the job by advisors whose loyalty was to the establishment, not the president.

In the intervening four years, Trump was opposed at every opportunity by people whom he entrusted to carry out his orders, but in fact were motivated by holding him in check.

The Donald Trump of 2024 is a far different person than the one that won the White House eight years ago. He has four years of experience of how readily one can be betrayed by those who are supposed to be working for you, and four more years of plotting and planning on how a second Trump administration would function, and who he could trust to help bring policy concepts into reality.

Trump’s “Make America Great Again” mantra, when examined from a foreign and national security perspective, has several components. First and foremost, there is the notion of “peace through strength,” which implies a certain aggressiveness regarding America’s global posture.

This aggression, however, will be tempered by several factors. First and foremost is Trump’s commitment to keep America out of wars. This implies a reliance upon diplomacy over force. Here, two issues emerge.

The first is that Trump is inheriting a world that is very different from the one he left back in 2021. The war in Ukraine, the conflict in the Middle East, a nuclear North Korea, and an expansive China are all problem sets that did not exist in their present state of development when Trump left the White House.

The emergence of BRICS, the fall of the dollar, and the weakening of the rules based international order have all come together to create a new foreign policy reality that will dominate the agenda.

Add to this the reality of a weakened American military, and the fact that, even if Trump wanted to take his country to war, the military would more than likely not be up to the task. All this means Trump will be placing a priority on diplomatic solutions while the military rearms and reorganizes.

Trump will likewise be seeking to emphasize economic solutions to problems that might have in the past been resolved through sanctions and/or military action. This will require an ability to engage diplomatically with persons and entities which the United States would normally eschew.

Trump has shown an ability to take on such tasks by himself, as he did with his meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin and North Korean leader Kim Jung-un, and it is highly likely that he will seek to do so again in the future. This puts both the secretary of state and the secretary of defense in supporting roles, reacting to Trump’s initiatives as opposed to proactively guiding the president.

An Outsider

Here the role of DNI becomes paramount. One of the major tasks of the DNI is to produce the Presidential Daily Briefing, or PDB, a compilation of the most sensitive and relevant intelligence information produced by the intelligence community.

Tulsi Gabbard may be an outsider as far as the intelligence community is concerned, but she has earned the trust and confidence of President-elect Trump, something that will serve her well as she becomes the conduit for the intelligence information that will guide the thinking of President Trump once he is sworn in.

She will be able to provide informative, factual and pragmatic briefings that will help guide the president as he formulates his ideas. When he has questions, she will be the one he asks and seeks answers from.

In short, Gabbard is well positioned to become the most influential advisor to President Trump regarding the critical foreign policy and national security problems that will be faced by his administration.

And, in doing so, she will be able to hold in check the ambitions and policy prerogatives of both the secretary of state and the secretary of defense. She will also have the national security advisor reacting to her intelligence, and not the other way around.

There is no guarantee that a Trump administration will play out in the manner described above. But one thing is for certain — had Trump picked a more traditional choice for DNI, drawn from the ranks of the very establishment which conspired against him in his first term, Trump would find himself trying to implement policies in an environment where he faced constant resistance and opposition.

As Trump’s DNI, Tulsi Gabbard is a force multiplier for the president, potentially empowering him with the knowledge, information, and insights he would need to successfully take the lead in implementing the policies he believes will Make America Great Again.

Trump’s decisive electoral victory has given him a mandate to enact revolutionary changes in the way America is governed and interacts with the world. To be successful in this revolution, Trump needs fellow revolutionaries.

Tulsi Gabbard is one such revolutionary, and her selection to be Trump’s DNI, when seen in this light, was a stroke of genius.

And I just saw this tweet reply to Michael Tracey, another one who has been annoying for the last week. Ritter is trying to talk sense to these people

https://twitter.com/x/status/1857413832014004666

Edit: Posting his reply below, not sure why it's not loading the tweet

So here she has a chance to be the most influential voice heard by Trump, and you want her to chuck it all away by doubling down on a position taken years ago? She could prevent new excesses. Instead of sacrificing herself on the alter of things that cannot be undone.

 

[Beau]

Another sign that Elon Musk is going to have a much bigger influence and role with Trump: He reportedly met with the Iranian UN ambassador yesterday. This is on the heels of Musk being on the call with Trump and Zelenskyy. Musk's role could be more important than Rubio, Hegseth, and Stefanik's in the context of foreign policy within the Trump Admin.

It's interesting that Musk is doing things that would typically be handled by diplomats, but Trump isn't interested in that obviously. Here's ZeroHedge's take on it in the context of all the upset over "Iran hawks and zealous backers of Israel" being named to prominent positions in Trump's Cabinet:

News of Musk's peace-seeking overture came after Trump caused widespread dismay among America-First conservatives and libertarians by nominating an assortment of anti-Iran hawks and zealous backers of the State of Israel to important foreign policy and national security positions. Those selectees included Sen. Marco Rubio for Secretary of State, Fox News host Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense, and New York Representative and campus speech-policer Elise Stefanik for UN ambassador.

Given Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's long-held ambition to enmesh America in a war with Iran, Trump's decision to surround himself with extreme advocates for Israel dampened hopes that he would make good on his campaign pledge to bring peace to a long-smoldering Middle East that's been ravaged by escalating and widening warfare since the Oct. 7 2023 Hamas invasion of southern Israel. However, the revelation of Musk's meeting with Iranian UN Ambassador Amir Saeid Iravani bolstered hopes of an earnest Trump pursuit of "peace through strength."

[...]

Iranian foreign minister Abbas Araghchi took to social media on Wednesday to reiterate his government's interest in pursuing peace. Following a meeting with International Atomic Energy Agency director general Rafael Mariano Grossi, Araghchi wrote, “Differences can be resolved through cooperation and dialogue. We agreed to proceed with courage and good will. Iran has never left the negotiation table on its peaceful nuclear program.”

"The reason why Elon’s outreach is so important is that Tehran is on the cusp of deciding whether to prepare for Trump’s sanctions escalation by expanding Iran’s nuclear and missile program and potentially even retaliating against Israel’s October 26 strikes through a massive attack on the country," wrote the Quincy Institute's Trita Parsi on X. "This could, of course, set off a major war that could engulf the US."

[...]

Musk's involvement in high-stakes Middle East diplomacy underscores the extraordinary role he's playing in the Trump transition, as the Times noted:

Mr. Musk has emerged as the most powerful private citizen in the Trump transition, and has sat in on nearly every job interview. During a call last week with Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, the president-elect handed the phone to the billionaire. Mr. Musk has played a key role in providing communications capability to Ukraine in the war with Russia.

 

[herondancer]

is he willing to be bold now?

I think he is.

Even with all Trump's formidable energy, he's not a young man any more, so maybe there's a sense of the clock ticking. He's already made an almost indelible mark on the business world, so that's not a goal. His kids are mostly grown and doing well, so not much worry there. He's survived at least one legitimate attempt on his life, and feels he's been (divinely?) preserved for a mission. Add all this together, and you get a "don't give a shit/go for it" mentality.

Buckle up!

 

[Cosmos]

Another sign that Elon Musk is going to have a much bigger influence and role with Trump: He reportedly met with the Iranian UN ambassador yesterday. This is on the heels of Musk being on the call with Trump and Zelenskyy. Musk's role could be more important than Rubio, Hegseth, and Stefanik's in the context of foreign policy within the Trump Admin.

It's interesting that Musk is doing things that would typically be handled by diplomats, but Trump isn't interested in that obviously. Here's ZeroHedge's take on it in the context of all the upset over "Iran hawks and zealous backers of Israel" being named to prominent positions in Trump's Cabinet:

Interesting! I’m pretty sure Musk sees the situation with Israel much clearer given his outspoken opposition to what is going on shortly after it started. We know what happened then: All the “friendly“ zionist flocked around him like a cancer and “gave him a lesson on what is really going on“ after which he backed down. I don’t think that this really helped them to get him on “their side“, probably quite the opposite! For now he probably keeps his private opinion at bay.

 

[Cosmos]

I think he is.

Even with all Trump's formidable energy, he's not a young man any more, so maybe there's a sense of the clock ticking. He's already made an almost indelible mark on the business world, so that's not a goal. His kids are mostly grown and doing well, so not much worry there. He's survived at least one legitimate attempt on his life, and feels he's been (divinely?) preserved for a mission. Add all this together, and you get a "don't give a shit/go for it" mentality.

Buckle up!

Yes, and Trump himself said recently somewhere that it seems to him that god saved his life because he still has a mission to complete. I think he is right. I do think for all his faults, quite miraculously, something (probably positive) might still be acting through him to pave the way for something much bigger than him. He might be a channel of sorts.

 

[Cosmos]

Here is something nice to dream about:

Trump not only declassifies all JFK files but also all 9/11 files. For the already pronounced cleansing that might need to take place. Remember Tulsi is apparently at the head of overseeing CIA and co now! And what “surprise“ will be found in those documents? Not only were parts of the US involved but the primary instigators were Mossad/Israel. Then Trump announces that Americans can surely never again support Israel, a nation that so extremely/bloodily deceived them and sanctions them hard.

That will probably remain a dream though.

 

[Beau]

That will probably remain a dream though.

Yeah. I think that's where the rubber hits the road in regards to declassifying files. Will he do it even if it implicates Israel? Surely the Epstein list will do the same, and Musk has already mentioned they are going to release that. So very interesting times right now.

 

[Evan]

I posted this in the Trump admin tracking thread, but since the conversation is ongoing here as well…A truly frightening take by Aaron Maté!

On the other hand, Larry Johnson’s take on Nima’s podcast this morning is far more hopeful. He basically looks at what Aaron Maté’s read from a nearly 180 degree opposite perspective. It’s remarkable how the two of them can hold such different views yet still have equal weight!