Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

It looks like a bogus picture was given to Trump and whoever did that needs questioning. I've seen indications of this in other instances.

It seems that someone, within his own team, wants to ridicule him, which reminds me of the Cs comment that Trump has blind spots. As for Netanyahu, I hope it is precaution to avoid JFK therapy although honestly it is a disgrace to me that the most powerful man in the world would bow down to a murderer.
 
Trump is hardly the most powerful man in the world and for some reason you ignore that he has distanced himself from Netanyahu, ended the attacks on Yemen without consulting Israel, etc. The US is still financing Israel though - that has not changed.
Trump didn't go to Israel on his trip to the ME which shouldn't be shrugged off. Kind of a big deal. Both Hegseth and Vance canceled their planned Israel visits over Bibi's new planned attacks in Gaza. Now even the Murdoch-owned NY Post is writing articles showing dead Palestinians and destruction caused by Israeli bombing. The NY Post never does that, they just grovel to Israel typically. It kinda feels like there is some coordination going on with all this.
 
And yet, US, UK, Australia and New Zealand are all reporting housing shortages. That will be due in part to the increase in costs of construction, inflation, increased costs of living, but it still ultimately points to supply being lower than demand.
Demand has reduced in NZ with. Net migration loss [and all cause mortality, IMO]. “Housing shortages started to accumulate” in NZ in 2001. We also had the Christchurch earthquakes which put huge pressure on the construction industry and not enough people working in the trades pushing up prices. Then came Covid.

Housing shortages are reducing dramatically since the Covid-19 lockdowns as population growth has slowed. So the ship has turned and in Christichurch an housing oversupply is accumulating and there are approximately 100 000 empty dwellings in NZ, people buying investment properties for land banking as well as second homes and holiday homes. I see more properties coming on the market where I live over the past two years. Many of the open homes I have visited are elderly who both have passed away. The price in this bracket where I live has dropped $100 000 in two years, yes interest rates have been somewhat responsible but also the supply has increased. So the shortage is historic and unless our net immigration catches up it is possible that we will go into oversupply.
https://www.nzier.org.nz/hubfs/Public Publications/Public good/Assessing housing shortages in New Zealand.pdf
 
Trump is hardly the most powerful man in the world and for some reason you ignore that he has distanced himself from Netanyahu, ended the attacks on Yemen without consulting Israel, etc. The US is still financing Israel though - that has not changed.

Already the funding to Israel speaks a lot about whether there is distancing or it is just a screen, let's see how Trump reacts to this


So, let's wait and see. A first hint will speak of a solution to "growing anti-Semitism" in the US

For example, following the attack in Washington, where two Israeli embassy employees were killed, Trump announced plans to ban universities such as Harvard from enrolling foreign students, claiming they encourage anti-Semitism.

There is also the so-called "Project Esther" which is a plan to identify and sanction critics of Israel, labeling them as part of a network supporting terrorism. It includes measures such as deportations, lawsuits, dismissals or exclusion of individuals (students, professors) involved in pro-Palestinian protests.
Another indication that Trump's second term will be marked by a new offensive against anti-colonial and anti-racist resistance came in the form of a strategy to "combat anti-Semitism" called "Project Esther," crafted by the prominent Trump-aligned conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation.

The Heritage Foundation has been open about its intention to turn "Project Esther" into government policy under a second Trump administration. In the strategy paper itself - released on October 7 to mark the first anniversary of Hamas attacks on Israel - it states that it expects "Project Esther" to represent an opportunity for public-private collaboration when a willing administration occupies the White House. Project Esther: A Trumpian plan to crush anti-colonial resistance
 
Already the funding to Israel speaks a lot about whether there is distancing or it is just a screen
The distancing may be real, even while the financing continues. Stopping the financing would be not just distancing but a complete 'divorce'. In any case, this very public distancing in the recent weeks contradicts your claim that Trump is "bowing down" to Netanyahu.

You also did not address why you posted that Neil Young quote that seems to call for an assassination of Trump ("8647"). Daddycat's reaction to that was way too aggressive, but he does have a point.
 
Trump didn't go to Israel on his trip to the ME which shouldn't be shrugged off. Kind of a big deal. Both Hegseth and Vance canceled their planned Israel visits over Bibi's new planned attacks in Gaza. Now even the Murdoch-owned NY Post is writing articles showing dead Palestinians and destruction caused by Israeli bombing. The NY Post never does that, they just grovel to Israel typically. It kinda feels like there is some coordination going on with all this.

Regarding the distance from Israel, Netanyahu denies it categorically here blaming the media for the lying. Minute 55.

The distancing may be real, even while the financing continues. Stopping the financing would be not just distancing but a complete 'divorce'. In any case, this very public distancing in the recent weeks contradicts your claim that Trump is "bowing down" to Netanyahu.
The "financing" must be the "I want to tell you, we coordinate with the administration, we talk to them, we respect their interests and, they respect our interests and they overlap. I won't tell you an absolute extent , of course not, but to an extent, Almost completely."

I too find it hard to make the separation, when I keep seeing dead children in the crudest and most cruel way possible. So then, the bow down, is also like they are forcing him to finance those atrocities.
 
You also did not address why you posted that Neil Young quote that seems to call for an assassination of Trump ("8647").

I hope to clarify the post that caused @daddycat anger. In no way do I support Bruce Springsteen and Neil Young, honestly I am indifferent. I just posted without censorship or editing what Neil said. Not being American, the number "86/47" meant nothing to me, my interest was centered on Trump not withstanding criticism and being a global leader he does not behave like one. I don't see Putin, Xi posting threats against those who are not aligned with them. Hence my questioning of freedom of speech and democracy. My posting ended with a notice of what Neil Young means, WITHOUT a judgement from me on whether he is right or wrong.​
Neil Young has been a consistent and forceful critic of Trump over the years. In 2020, Young sued the Trump campaign for using his songs "Rockin' in the Free World" and "Devil's Sidewalk" at political rallies without permission, arguing that he could not allow his music to be associated with a "divisive, un-American" campaign.

I suppose an appropriate response from Daddycat would have been "hey 8647 is offensive because of this and because of this, I think Neil is wrong in his appreciation."

I think the American members of this forum should not forget that we are not all aware of the traumas, local jokes etc. so to speak.

So I have to ask (like when you are in another country and a word that is not offensive to you is offensive to someone else) and now I know that it is mostly a political issue according to Grok.
Neil Young's reference to "86/47" in a post on his official website relates to a recent controversy involving former U.S. President Donald Trump and former FBI Director James Comey. The expression "86/47" comes from a social media post by Comey, where he shared a photo of shells on a beach that appeared to form the numbers "86 47", with the caption "Cool shell formation on my beach walk". In this context, "47" is interpreted as a reference to Trump, who is the 47th president of the United States. The term "86" is American English slang for "discard," "eliminate" or "throw out," commonly used in the restaurant industry, but in some contexts can be interpreted as something more extreme, such as "kill" or "eliminate" in a violent manner, according to Merriam-Webster.​

Are you really angry about an interpretation?
Neil Young, in his message, criticizes Trump for focusing on celebrity feuds, such as his conflict with Bruce Springsteen, rather than addressing more serious problems, such as the situation in Gaza or responding to natural disasters. By mentioning "86/47," Young seems to be alluding to Comey's message, possibly as a political criticism of Trump, suggesting that he should be "discarded" or that he is unfit to lead. However, Young does not explicitly use the phrase to incite violence, but rather appears to employ it as part of his broader criticism of Trump's priorities.​
Some Trump administration officials and Republican figures interpreted Comey's post as a threat of violence against Trump, which generated controversy. Comey, for his part, claimed he was unaware of the violent interpretation of "86" and that his intent was political, not violent. Young's use of "86/47" reflects this context, but his message is more about questioning Trump's actions and approach than endorsing any violent interpretation.​

This reminds me of "Let's Go Brandon".​
"Let's Go Brandon" is a political slogan and Internet meme used as a euphemism for the phrase "Fuck Joe Biden" in reference to former U.S. President Joe Biden. Wikipedia​

If you think 8647 is a threat from me towards Trump, I'm just telling you that you are completely wrong.​
 
There has been a ~1.3 billion reduction in the global population in the past twelve years (quotes at the bottom). In that same time, at least here in the US, housing costs have roughly doubled to quadrupled. I do not think deporting all 40 million illegals, or whatever the number may be, is going to make a dent in the cost of a home.



I'd argue on the contrary that even if mass deportations collapsed the housing market in the PTB's favor, fairer elections would still weaken the PTB's ability to implement the great reset. Having fairer elections would increase the voice of the people who are quite in favor of solving the housing crisis.



I'd agree that debt entrapment is absolutely a key weapon being utilized by the PTB. My only addition to that is that the PTB have largely succeeded in that goal already. People with at least a small sense of economic freedom are in the declining minority. Even some semi-well off retirees who have their homes paid off are struggling to make ends meet. That is to say, the majority of people are already in the "own nothing" phase.


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Yeah, I recall that Michael Hudson has said that supply and demand are no longer a factor in housing market prices. With the flight of industry overseas, Western financial parasites shifted to rent extraction as one of the main ways of satiating their greed. It has the other benefit of demoralizing everyone.

Regarding the distance from Israel, Netanyahu denies it categorically here blaming the media for the lying. Minute 55.


The "financing" must be the "I want to tell you, we coordinate with the administration, we talk to them, we respect their interests and, they respect our interests and they overlap. I won't tell you an absolute extent , of course not, but to an extent, Almost completely."

I too find it hard to make the separation, when I keep seeing dead children in the crudest and most cruel way possible. So then, the bow down, is also like they are forcing him to finance those atrocities.

Brian Berletic has written that the 'distancing' between the US and Israel is all a show. He says that any attack on Iran by Israel is basically funded, guided, and green-lighted by America. America would prefer to use Israel as attac-dog in order to save itself from international criticism and avoid Iranian retaliation. This scenario was written up in Which Path to Persia, a policy paper by the Brookings Institute, in 2009.

Berletic may be right, if only partially. He's convinced Trump is just the same type of lying Imperial warmonger as Bush and Obama and all the rest. I don't think so, things are more complex than that.

I think the Trump faction in the White House IS actually trying to stop wars, genocide, and distance themselves from Israel, etc. But they have also stepped into a situation that they can't fully control. Israeli blackmail - whether sexual, infrastructural, or nuclear - figures high as one of the reasons why they can't act quickly and decisively. I do think Trump wants to be a Peace President, and is trying to navigate very confusing waters while looking out for the American people - and also, of course, his own image. But he also wants to maintain American dominance. I don't think it's possible to do both.

But then there are neocons and the Deep State who deploy Secret Teams to carry forward war plans that have been decades in the making. These plans, probably made to some extent collectively by the US/CIA, UK/MI-6 and Israel/Mossad, are moving forwards without US Executive Branch oversight. So Berletic blaming Trump for it all is convenient, but off the mark, because Trump may not be making the primary decisions here, but rather reaction to decisions already being made, or intervening where possible.

The Secret Teams can make use of Trump's 'distancing' to use as cover for their aims. If Israel attacks Iran, the US can pretend innocence - although I'm not sure who really buys that anymore. That would be one explanation as to why the media has been allowed to make a sudden turn towards criticism of Israel. It's a narrative change in preparation for conflict. Or it could be that the truth is getting out, due to Trump pressuring the mainstream media. Hard to say.

At any rate, neither the US nor Israel really has the capability to attack Iran unless it's by terrorism, nukes, more sanctions, or something more strange like secret weapons tech.
 
Not being American, the number "86/47" meant nothing to me
You don't have to be an American to understand the meaning of this, especially since it was discussed in this thread just a week ago. How could you have missed it?

I don't see Putin, Xi posting threats against those who are not aligned with them. Hence my questioning of freedom of speech and democracy.
Does China even have a democracy or freedom of speech like in the US? You seem to be ignoring basic facts when you criticize Trump.
 
How could you have missed it?
Because I don't have to know everything and I don't have to read the whole forum. As I mentioned 8647 meant nothing to me and your assumption that it was a threat on my part is incorrect.
Does China even have a democracy or freedom of speech like in the US?
Unlike the United States, China does not embrace the banner of free speech, everyone knows better. With Trump it comes to the state of "you're either with me or against me."

 
Because I don't have to know everything and I don't have to read the whole forum.
So you write a lot about Trump, but you do not even follow the discussion in this thread?

What is your intent here: Is it to arrive at a more objective view through networking or to just push your own subjective view of Trump?

With Trump it comes to the state of "you're either with me or against me."
That is not really true either. Those musicians have been vocally against him for a long time, they are allies of his enemies. Young even repeated Comey's "8647" call to assassinate Trump.
 
So you write a lot about Trump, but you do not even follow the discussion in this thread?

What is your intent here: Is it to arrive at a more objective view through networking or to just push your own subjective view of Trump?

It seems to me that it is the latter.

Puma, I think you have a consistently negative bias against Trump and you view everything he does through that lens. Each instance that you write or quote about Trump may not be wrong per se, but you, deliberately or not, tend to ignore the context, the bigger picture that Trump is operating within. It has become so obvious and consistent that I tend to skip and ignore anything you write about Trump although you write a lot about him.

I don't know why you have such bias about Trump. But I think it would be good for you to examine that. Unless, of course, that you prefer your own view of Trump and have no wish to examine that.
 

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