Trump era: Fascist dawn, or road to liberation?

Seamas said:
Are you saying that if enough people come to perceive the "signs and symptoms" of takeover by madmen, THAT is the cure? If enough people are immune to the hystericization process and the pathological thinking that follows the skid into madness will stop? That is what Lobaczewski argues, in a nutshell, isn't it?

No, that's not what I said: that perceiving is the cure. And I don't think Lobaczewski said that either. But perceiving the signs and symptoms of the disease "out there" may very well be what inoculates YOU against catching it!

Seamas said:
I have a some other questions from what I read, apologies for the length of this post:

Haffner said:
Did not some of the surface waves send out vibrations, as evidenced by a new jittery tension, a new intolerance and heated readiness to hate, which began to infect private political discussions, and even more by the unrelenting pressure to think about politics all the time? Was it not a remarkable effect of politics on private life that we suddenly considered any normal daily private event as a political demonstration?

Be that as it may, I still clung to this normal un-political life. There was no angle from which I could attack the Nazis. Well then, at least I would not let them interfere with my personal life.

This "unrelenting pressure to think about politics all the time" is definitely present in the US right now. Each day I hear everyone talking about politics and it is the first or second topic that is broached in every conversation before or after the weather. Many of my millennial friends feel that the Women's March and last night's riots at UC Berkeley are forms of "resistance", but I hardly see how they could be since they are encouraged and condoned by the MSM and public figures who are openly opposed to Trump. They are forms of "resistance" that have been tried many times in the past and have always failed.

If there is no angle from which I can attack the Nazis, and there's nowhere to go to escape them, what can I do? Keep reading and trying to understand? Keep asking questions?

Well, truth is, at this point, we aren't really sure WHO are the "Nazis". The Left is acting like the Brown-shirts who brought Hitler to power, but they are screaming about Trump and Trump is the one supposedly acting like a nationalist xenophobe. So what's the deal? Is it possible that it is ALL theater?? Is the Left activated against Trump in order to facilitate Trump doing what he might be wanted to do: impose fascism? Was Hillary sacrificed deliberately in order to get Trump in? And I'm not suggesting that Trump was part of some conspiracy, but that the string pullers behind the scenes know how to make the puppets do what is wanted, including those who are unaware they are being manipulated. And if, in the end, the real objective is to provide more loosh for 4D STS, we really can't call one side the bad guys and the other side the good guys here. I think we just have to look at each issue and yes, keep reading and trying to understand.

Seamas said:
Haffner said:
True, something further was necessary to achieve all this. That was the cowardly treachery of all party and organisational leaders, to whom the 56 per cent of the population who had voted against the Nazis on the 5th of March had entrusted themselves. This terrible and decisive event was not much noticed by the outside world. Naturally, the Nazis had no interest in drawing attention to it, since it would considerably devalue their 'victory', and as for the traitors themselves: well, of course, they did not want attention drawn to it. Nevertheless, it is finally only this betrayal that explains the almost inexplicable fact that a great nation, which cannot have consisted entirely of cowards, fell into ignominy without a fight.

The betrayal was complete, extending from Left to Right. [...]

This cowardly treachery began a long time ago, as you cover in your article, and IMO was much more insidious here in the US than in Germany, but maybe its because I've been living it and hindsight is 20/20. The betrayal is complete at this point and almost everyone seems to be playing for the same team. So I'm wondering what you make of Tulsi Gabbard (just one example, not that there are many). She seems to be speaking up. Is she truly displaying courage and "breeding," or is she another tool?

Well, I'm not making hard and fast categories or seeing anything as black or white. She seems to be the real deal though, as is often - usually - the case, good people without some knowledge of psychopathology and history, etc, and without a network of those trying to see objectively, can't see everything.

Seamas said:
LKJ said:
One most important point needs to be made here: the phenomenon has nothing to do with the Ideologies used by the various deviant players. Being a psychopath is common to any and all groups, Jews, Christians and Muslims alike. The second point is: Just because we can identify many Zionists as a gang of psychopathic manipulators on one side, because they have used Judaism as their ruse, and have hidden themselves behind the masses of normal Jews, does not mean that their ostensible nemesis, Adolf Hitler, was a "good guy." In fact, it is not uncommon for psychopaths to play exactly this sort of game: to be working together behind the scenes while presenting a confrontational farce for the consumption of the masses.

This is an important point to keep in mind when dealing with Trump, IMO. Just because he appears to be the enemy of the neoliberalcon establishment does not mean he is a "good guy". This is part of your point, no?

Exactly. See what I commented above. And keep in mind the 4D STS feeding factor, too. In many articles I don't talk about that because they are for a wider readership.

Seamas said:
LKJ said:
But what is it that makes a society so vulnerable? Haffner has described what happened, we need to turn to Lobaczewski to understand the psychology of WHY it happened. How does an entire society have a Nervous Breakdown, fall into a state of total moral collapse? How do they become susceptible to the machinations of pathological deviants? Lobaczewski wrote:
Lobaczewski said:
During happy times of peace and social injustice, children of the privileged classes learn to repress from their field of consciousness any of those uncomfortable concepts suggesting that they and their parents benefit from injustice. Young people learn to disqualify the moral and mental values of anyone whose work they are using to over-advantage. Young minds thus ingest habits of subconscious selection and substitution of data, which leads to a hysterical conversion economy of reasoning. They grow up to be somewhat hysterical adults who, by means of the ways adduced above, thereupon transmit their hysteria to the younger generation, which then develops these characteristics to a greater degree. The hysterical patterns for experience and behavior grow and spread downwards from the privileged classes until crossing the boundary of the first criterion of ponerology.

[The atrophy of natural critical faculties with respect to pathological individuals becomes an opening to their activities, and, at the same time, a criterion for recognizing the association in concern as ponerogenic. Let us call this the first criterion of ponerogenesis.]

When the habits of subconscious selection and substitution of thought-data spread to the macro-social level, a society tends to develop contempt for factual criticism and to humiliate anyone sounding an alarm. Contempt is also shown for other nations which have maintained normal thought-patterns and for their opinions. Egotistic thought-terrorization is accomplished by the society itself and its processes of conversive thinking. This obviates the need for censorship of the press, theater, or broadcasting, as a pathologically hypersensitive censor lives within the citizens themselves.

When three "egos" govern, egoism, egotism, and egocentrism, the feeling of social links and responsibility disappear, and the society in question splinters into groups ever more hostile to each other. When a hysterical environment stops differentiating the opinions of limited, not-quite-normal people from those of normal, reasonable persons, this opens the door for activation of the pathological factors ... (Andrew Lobaczewski, Political Ponerology)

The process that Lobaczewski describes here is becoming clearer and clearer to me as things ramp up here. The hysterical thinking. They entitlement. The splintering of society "into groups ever more hostile to each other". The open contempt for factual criticism. I'm sure this is all old news for many of you and in many ways it is for me, but recently I have been experiencing these things in a much more personal way. My question here is: what do we do at this point? When faced with growing "contempt for factual criticism" coming from those who are normally at least somewhat reasonable? Should we just keep trying to get through to them? Is it better to observe and try to understand? Depends on the situation?

I think that "depends on the situation" is the right answer; External Considering. Sometimes External Considering includes finding activities that relieve pressures and frustrations such as anonymous social interactions. I think that's the best attitude to have about any "trying to get through to them".

Seamas said:
Rees said:
The idea that the Gestapo itself was constantly spying on the population is demonstrably a myth.

So how was it possible that so few people exercised such control?

The simple answer is because the Gestapo received enormous help from ordinary Germans. Like all modern policing systems, the Gestapo was only as good or bad as the cooperation it received - and the files reveal that it received a high level of cooperation, making it a very good secret police force indeed.

Only around 10 per cent of political crimes committed between 1933 and 1945 were actually discovered by the Gestapo; another 10 per cent of cases were passed on to the Gestapo by the regular police or the Nazi Party. This means that around 80 per cent of all political crime was discovered by ordinary citizens who turned the information over to the police or the Gestapo. The files also show that most of this unpaid cooperation came from people who were not members of the Nazi Party - they were 'ordinary' citizens.

Yet there was never a duty to denounce or inform. The mass of files in the Würzburg archive came into being because some non-party member voluntarily denounced a fellow German. Far from being a proactive organization that resolutely sought out its political enemies itself, the Gestapo's main job was sorting out the voluntary denunciations it received.

This section immediately brought the NSA spying programs and Snowden to mind for me. It is considered common knowledge at this point with most of the people I know that the NSA reads all of our emails, listens in on our phonecalls and even taps into our Nest thermostats to see how warm we like our apartments. I think y'all expressed doubts about Snowden early on and he could still be either a plant or an tool of those wishing to plant this kind of "the gestapo are everywhere" idea into the minds of the people. Interesting parallel, OSIT.

I think that information collection is everywhere, but they can't possibly "listen to" or read it all. That's where "citizen denouncement" would come in. Without something to flag a person, their data is just a few bits in millions of other bits, un-reviewed and un-listened to.

Seamas said:
Rees said:
Denunciations became a way in which Germans could make their voices heard in a system that had turned away from democracy; you see somebody who should be in the army but is not - you denounce them; you hear somebody tell a joke about Hitler - you denounce them as well. Denunciations could also be used for personal gain; you want the flat an old Jewish lady lives in - you denounce her; your neighbours irritate you - you denounce them too.

How long until this sort of thing starts up en masse? What defense is there against this? Anything?

I think it's already going on, but as to when it becomes common, nobody knows. The best defense is to have a good network both here and in your IRL environment. External considering again.

Seamas said:
Rees said:
During his many months of research in the Würzburg archive Professor Gellately struggled hard to find a 'hero' - someone who had stood up to the regime, an antidote, if you like, to the bleak aspect that the study of the Gestapo files casts on human nature. He believed he had found just such a person in Ilse Sonja Totzke, who went to Würzburg as a music student in the 1930s. <snip>

So... to make a long story short, the one person they could find in the Gestapo files who stood up to them and refused to be broken ended up dead in a concentration camp. My question here is, what good is it to stubbornly and openly resist in a society gone mad? Is it a matter of the soul? One MUST resist, or not. Is it a matter of inevitability? In other words if are there only 2 choices: to resist or to be broken, is it better to resist from the start and lose your life than to allow yourself to be broken?

This woman wasn't practicing External Considering. Her ego was running the show. It got her killed.

Seamas said:
LKJ said:
In the Chaos of today, have YOU consented to atrocity? Or, do you have "breeding"?

How many Frau Kraus' are there today in America, Europe or around the world? Unassuming, ordinary people yet whose minds have been softened by subconscious selection and substitution, a sense of entitlement to the lifestyle supported by the suffering of others, infected by years of a psychopathic "morality" leaving them supremely susceptible to the type of organised hysteria that led Frau Kraus to condemn her neighbor, an innocent woman, to death 65 years ago in Germany. Are there such people among your friends, your family members? More importantly, is there one when you look in the mirror?

There are many, many Frau Kraus' starting with the "leaders" we hoped would stand up to this madness and betrayed us long ago. This brings me back to my initial thought:

One thought I had is that understanding this process is a form of "cultural self-remembering". If enough people understand this process well enough and know how to resist it humanity could avoid falling into the same trap time and again.

I know I don't fully grok what is happening but I can taste it, smell it. I am here. I read and I try to understand, try to network, try to rework pathologically infected thought patterns and programs. I have conversations with my friends and family and try to encourage them to think when I don't see the full picture myself. Am I doing it "right"? Learning to be more aware on 3 levels and trying to help others into the step behind me? Is resistance a personal struggle that we all must undertake?

I think you may be making it harder on yourself than it needs to be. Don't have conversations with those close to you unless asked. Practice External Considering. Engage with your home network on the level they are at, and keep working with the "soul network" to achieve understanding. That way, you are able to help others when and if they ask. And that may be in the future.

But, at the same time, it is helpful to send out a signal to the Universe about where you stand, but that can be done privately, or even anonymously; in these days it is even easier because of the net and its potentials.

Seamas said:
Haffner's "duel":

Haffner said:
This is the story of a duel.

It is a duel between two very unequal adversaries: an exceedingly powerful, formidable and ruthless state and an insignificant, unknown private individual. The duel does not take place in what is commonly known as the sphere of politics; the individual is by no means a politician, still less a conspirator, or an enemy of the state. Throughout, he finds himself very much on the defensive. He only wishes to preserve what he considers his integrity, his private life and his personal honour. These are under constant attack by the Government of the country he lives in, and by the most brutal, but often also clumsy, means. ...

The individual is ... ill-prepared for the onslaught. He was not born a hero, still less a martyr. He is just an ordinary man with many weaknesses, having grown up in vulnerable times. He is nevertheless stubbornly antagonistic. So he enters into the duel - without enthusiasm, shrugging his shoulders but with a quiet determination not to yield. He is of course, much weaker than his opponent, but rather more agile. You will see him duck and weave, dodge his foe and dart back, evading crushing blows by a whisker. You will have to admit that, for someone who is neither a hero nor a martyr, he manages to put up a good fight. Finally, however, you will see him compelled to abandon the struggle, or if you will transfer it to another plane.

Is this duel worth dying for? Worth endangering friends and family? I think so but I know that I have not been truly tested yet.

"Transfer it to another plane" is the key. Haffner escaped Germany for very good reasons: his life was at risk because of his girlfriend or wife (can't remember which). Unless you are faced with that particular situation, you don't have to "escape". You can, effectively, live a life of External Considering. Read about Gurdjieff's life and work during the war, that should give some inspiration.

Seamas said:
LKJ said:
Just as everyone who does not stand up against the Fascism galloping across the planet today is just as guilty of murder as the one who commits the act. Any American who does not stand against incarceration without habeas corpus, is guilty if violating the constitution. Anyone who does not stand against torture, wherever it happens, is guilty of torture and guilty of the death of the victim if the torture results in their death. Any person who does not stand against the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, is guilty of the deaths of over a million innocent Iraqis and Afghans.

Am I doing enough? Am I really speaking out against torture by sending out a few tweets and conversing with like-minded friends when there is little danger? What will happen to me if/when the rubber really hits the road? Do I have the character, the conviction, "breeding" to stand up when it really matters? These are the kinds of questions that keep me up at night.

I hope these questions and thoughts are productive and not just noise. Just trying to understand...

The above paragraph was written at a time when standing up in those ways was still possible. That time is passing.

Just remember External Considering and the fact that sometimes survival to the other side of a catastrophe is itself a worthy goal. External Considering, Stalking a la Castaneda. Study those things for inspiration.
 
Re: Trump, Brexit and psychometrics

Hithere said:
Interesting article about Big Data being utilized to manufacture messages targeted at specific types of people, allegedly a big part of the reason Trump got elected and also behind Brexit:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win


That's a really interesting article, thank you for posting this Hithere! Some parts caught my attention and I'd like to comment on them:

(...) In 2012, Kosinski proved that on the basis of an average of 68 Facebook "likes" by a user, it was possible to predict their skin color (with 95 percent accuracy), their sexual orientation (88 percent accuracy), and their affiliation to the Democratic or Republican party (85 percent). But it didn't stop there. Intelligence, religious affiliation, as well as alcohol, cigarette and drug use, could all be determined. From the data it was even possible to deduce whether someone's parents were divorced.

The strength of their modeling was illustrated by how well it could predict a subject's answers. Kosinski continued to work on the models incessantly: before long, he was able to evaluate a person better than the average work colleague, merely on the basis of ten Facebook "likes." Seventy "likes" were enough to outdo what a person's friends knew, 150 what their parents knew, and 300 "likes" what their partner knew. More "likes" could even surpass what a person thought they knew about themselves. On the day that Kosinski published these findings, he received two phone calls. The threat of a lawsuit and a job offer. Both from Facebook. (...)

Above all, however—and this is key—it also works in reverse: not only can psychological profiles be created from your data, but your data can also be used the other way round to search for specific profiles: all anxious fathers, all angry introverts, for example—or maybe even all undecided Democrats? Essentially, what Kosinski had invented was sort of a people search engine. He started to recognize the potential—but also the inherent danger—of his work.

The predictability of our behaviours and the extent to which we can be so accurately assessed and categorized just goes to show that we are machines. Gosh, and people think they are so perfectly unique in their thinking, beliefs and behaviours. Each of them. Laughable.


Kosinski came to suspect that Kogan's company might have reproduced the Facebook "Likes"-based Big Five measurement tool in order to sell it to this election-influencing firm.

All was quiet for about a year. Then, in November 2015, the more radical of the two Brexit campaigns, "Leave.EU," supported by Nigel Farage, announced that it had commissioned a Big Data company to support its online campaign: Cambridge Analytica. The company's core strength: innovative political marketing—microtargeting—by measuring people's personality from their digital footprints, based on the OCEAN model.

How to keep Clinton voters away from the ballot box:
Trump's striking inconsistencies, his much-criticized fickleness, and the resulting array of contradictory messages, suddenly turned out to be his great asset: a different message for every voter. The notion that Trump acted like a perfectly opportunistic algorithm following audience reactions is something the mathematician Cathy O'Neil observed in August 2016.

"Pretty much every message that Trump put out was data-driven," Alexander Nix remembers. On the day of the third presidential debate between Trump and Clinton, Trump's team tested 175,000 different ad variations for his arguments, in order to find the right versions above all via Facebook. The messages differed for the most part only in microscopic details, in order to target the recipients in the optimal psychological way: different headings, colors, captions, with a photo or video. This fine-tuning reaches all the way down to the smallest groups, Nix explained in an interview with us. "We can address villages or apartment blocks in a targeted way. Even individuals.”

In the Miami district of Little Haiti, for instance, Trump's campaign provided inhabitants with news about the failure of the Clinton Foundation following the earthquake in Haiti, in order to keep them from voting for Hillary Clinton. This was one of the goals: to keep potential Clinton voters (which include wavering left-wingers, African-Americans, and young women) away from the ballot box, to "suppress" their vote, as one senior campaign official told Bloomberg in the weeks before the election. These "dark posts"—sponsored news-feed-style ads in Facebook timelines that can only be seen by users with specific profiles—included videos aimed at African-Americans in which Hillary Clinton refers to black men as predators, for example.


I can't help but think that the author is trying to build a case against Trump's election and Brexit being legitimate people's choices. Both Brexit and Trump's presidency likely came as a surprise to the PTB and the C's said that the actual numbers of people voting for each were higher than those that were officially announced. Votes were manipulated but that was in favour of Hilary and the Brexit 'leave' vote.


The measures were radical: From July 2016, Trump's canvassers were provided with an app with which they could identify the political views and personality types of the inhabitants of a house. It was the same app provider used by Brexit campaigners. Trump's people only rang at the doors of houses that the app rated as receptive to his messages.

So basically these people were already likely to vote for Trump anyway. The author says the app enabled Trump supporters to be specifically targeted so their views could be strengthened. And maybe some fence sitters were pushed off the fence?

I do wonder why this article hasn't gone viral in the MSM - such a pretty piece of 'evidence' that Trump manipulated the people!
 
Laura said:
JGeropoulas said:
If this Executive Order ends up being issued, it will definitely "send chills up (my) spine".

Leaked Draft of Trump’s Religious Freedom Order
Reveals Sweeping Plans to Legalize Discrimination


by Sarah Posner
The Nation
2-1-17


A leaked copy of a draft executive order titled “Establishing a Government-Wide Initiative to Respect Religious Freedom,” obtained by The Investigative Fund and The Nation, reveals sweeping plans by the Trump administration to legalize discrimination.

The four-page draft order, a copy of which is currently circulating among federal staff and advocacy organizations, construes religious organizations so broadly that it covers “any organization, including closely held for-profit corporations,” and protects “religious freedom” in every walk of life: “when providing social services, education, or healthcare; earning a living, seeking a job, or employing others; receiving government grants or contracts; or otherwise participating in the marketplace, the public square, or interfacing with Federal, State or local governments.”

Language in the draft document specifically protects the tax-exempt status of any organization that “believes, speaks, or acts (or declines to act) in accordance with the belief that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman, sexual relations are properly reserved for such a marriage, male and female and their equivalents refer to an individual’s immutable biological sex as objectively determined by anatomy, physiology, or genetics at or before birth, and that human life begins at conception and merits protection at all stages of life.”

Oh boy, this is a tricky one: how far can you go to force people to do things against their conscience? And do you want to?

I've never thought it was right to force people who believe that abortion or homosexuality is wrong to accept it within their own "enclaves" or whatever. Of course, that would only apply to religious organizations, IMO, and not to regular for-profit businesses. If you have a business, your right to be licensed means that you serve the public as long as they are not disruptive. A business should not be allowed to keep its license if it discriminates without good cause and that cause can't be religious or racial.

But then, what about nuns who work in hospitals? Or doctors who are strong believers? Is the hospital a for profit organization, or is it owned by the religious org? On the one hand, I don't think they should have to perform abortions if it is against their conscience but if that is the case, they should either make sure it is a hospital fully owned and operated by the religion where they work in service to that religion, and if it is not, they should find another job if they can't fulfill the requirements of a for-profit hospital.

Same with burkas and hijabs and such: if they want to wear them to their religious place, or at home, fine, but not on the job or at school unless it is a school owned and operated by their religion. I was reading the other day about a Muslim girl who got a job as a flight attendant and refused to serve alcohol to the passengers. Well, she needs to be fired because serving drinks is part of the job. She should not be allowed to bring her religion to work if the company is not owned and operated by the religion and she volunteering to serve.

So, I don't know how this business is going to sort out, but I think that it could be very bad or very good depending on how it is worded in the end.

Yes, this issues are kind of hard and I don't know if the above approach (the one in the article posted) is the best one. It will probably bring more outrage from the progressive peeps and I'm not sure if it is fair. Your approach is is good I think, even if it sound harsh and not "politically correct".

I listened to the las Behind The Headlines show and it seems so right that the problem is when you try to impose your worldview into others, yet, not imposing one's worldview doesn't mean that one must tolerate every worldview to the extent of adopting or assimilating it. Some worldviews/cultures are incompatible and everybody has the right to reject a particular worldview/culture that is not compatible with their own. Then of course, tolerance is important in order to coexist in peace with others, but tolerance implies that there is something you don't agree with, but you tolerate, as long as it is withing the limits of some basic moral values that ensures a peaceful coexistence. In that sense, your approach seems one of the best ones I've heard.

The idea of a the for-profit or business area being more "neutral" (withing basic and universal human values) so to say, and then the non-profit or religious area being where one can "wear their believe", so to say, makes me think of the idea you proposed once when speaking about what would a good society prolly look like. I can't fin the post but it was something along the lines of having communism in the local/tribal level and capitalism in the global level. Every local community keeps true to their identity and change naturally (due to influence, for example), yet at a global scale, these different communities have to have a common ground to exchange resources, and the common ground can be business controlled by basic human values. In that common ground, everybody should considerate others and not try to impose their personal worldview on others. Kind of utopian, I know, but I was just thinking about this.

On another (but related) subject. I was thinking a little bit about these idea of "deconstructing the cultural identity" of people. This idea is very true from the Gramscian perspective. That doesn't mean I have to bash all ideas proposed by Marxism, or focus the criticism on the left in a black and white way, but it is a reality that what is called "Cultural Marxism" (adopted conveniently by neo-liberalism) is all about destroying the identity so that they could impose a new identity in people, so that people would accept their view of how the world should be.

Besides the many issues with this ideology that can be discussed, yesterday, this "deconstruction of identity" reminded me of the Greenbaum programming and how they basically tried to break a person's identity, creating a fragmented identity that would be vulnerable to programming and to "insert" new identities on the background. Extrapolating that to the hysterical identity crisis that is visible among these "progressive" peeps, and the moral relativity being promoted, and so on... It gave me the chills to see that, by exacerbating the issue of identity and destroying identity with the whole idea of political correctness, people are more vulnerable to any sort of programming.

Just adding that that doesn't mean we should take the alt-right approach and blame the left and/or Marxism for everything. As we know, these ideologies are conveniently used by psychopaths to manipulate and attain their own goals, it doesn't matter in which side of the spectrum they are. I just came to this idea yesterday and found it interesting and scary too.
 
Although Trump had positioned himself as a strong supporter of Israel, it seems that his position is not so clear cut any more. Trump's press secretary discouraged the construction of new settlement, but in the same official statement he added that no official position has been taken yet.

Maybe this will be clarified after February 15th, which is the date of the next meeting between Trump and Netanyahu.

Trump Flip-Flops On Israel: Tells Netanyahu, No New Settlements

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-02/trump-flip-flops-israel-tells-netanyahu-no-new-settlements

Having expressed strong support for Israel during his campaign and Obama's lame-duck session, it appears President Trump is shifting gears rather markedly. In a statement issued tonight, The White House commented that "the construction of new settlements or the expansion of existing settlements beyond their current borders may not be helpful in achieving that goal."

Statement by the Press Secretary
"The American desire for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians has remained unchanged for 50 years.

While we don't believe the existence of settlements is an impediment to peace, the construction of new settlements or the expansion of existing settlements beyond their current borders may not be helpful in achieving that goal.


As the President has expressed many times, he hopes to achieve peace throughout the Middle East region.

The Trump administration has not taken an official position on settlement activity and looks forward to continuing discussions, including with Prime Minister Netanyahu when he visits with President Trump later this month."

The New York Times reports: The White House noted that the president “has not taken an official position on settlement activity,” but said Mr. Trump would discuss the issue with Mr. Netanyahu when they meet Feb. 15, in effect telling him to wait until then.

Emboldened by Mr. Trump’s support, Israel had announced more than 5,000 new homes in the West Bank since his Jan. 20 inauguration.

The statement resembled those issued routinely by previous administrations of both parties for decades, but Mr. Trump has positioned himself as an unabashed ally of Israel and until now had never questioned Mr. Netanyahu’s approach. Mr. Trump picked as his ambassador to Israel a financial supporter of West Bank settlement, and he harshly criticized former President Barack Obama in December for not blocking a United Nations resolution condemning settlements.

Mr. Netanyahu vowed earlier on Thursday to continue settlement construction in the West Bank while attending a memorial service marking fourth anniversary of the death of Ron Nachman, a founder and longtime mayor of the settlement of Ariel.

“There are perhaps 20,000 residents here today and I promise you: there will be many more,” Mr. Netanyahu said. “Just recently the government I head approved another 1,000 units, which means 5,000 people, and means significant growth. There is no way that Ariel will not be part of the state of Israel – it will always be part of the state of Israel.”

With the Trump administration putting the brakes on the embassy move also, all eyes and ears will now be on that mid-feb meeting between the two leaders.
 
And now we apparently have Samantha Power's equally evil and deluded twin with Trump's UN Ambassador Nikki Haley:

A Russian official on Thursday blasted the new U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations for her forceful condemnation of Moscow's actions in Eastern Ukraine.

Russian Senator Alexey Pushkov drew parallels between Nikki Haley's remarks and the strong anti-Kremlin statements often made by the former U.S. Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power.

"It looks like the new U.S. representative at the UN came with remarks that were written by [Samantha] Power," Pushkov said in a tweet.

"How can Russia be blamed when the [Ukrainian armed forces] are firing at Donbass?" he asked.

Haley on Thursday denounced Russia's aggressive geopolitical maneuver in Eastern Ukraine after the politically fragile region plunged into a new wave of armed conflict between Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces.

"I must condemn the aggressive actions of Russia. It is unfortunate because it is a replay of far too many instances over many years in which Unites States representatives have needed to do that. It should not have to be that way," Haley said in her address.

While the U.S. diplomat, who was confirmed to her role last week, maintained that President Trump's administration continues to desire a detente between the two superpowers, she also condemned Russia for annexing the Crimean peninsula in 2014.

"Unites States continues to condemn and call for an immediate end to the Russian occupation of Crimea. Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Our Crimea-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia returns control over the peninsula to Ukraine," Haley maintained.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/russia/317680-russian-official-was-nikki-haley-reading-samantha-powers-speech
 
Yes, one gets the feel that the new boss in terms of foreign policy is not so different form the old boss. Or is is a matter of appeacement of various factions? It should also be remembered that the MIC is the biggest employer in the US, so looking after them is good for jobs :cry:

https://www.sott.net/article/341493-Trump-says-Iran-is-playing-with-firesanctions-US-lists-13-individuals-12-business-entities-Tehran-unmoved

Trump says Iran playing with fire, sanctions 13 individuals and 12 business entities, Tehran 'unmoved'


RT
Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:04 UTC

© Carlos Barria / Reuters
The US government has blacklisted 13 individuals and a dozen businesses under the Iran sanctions authority, a day after President Donald Trump's administration threatened a response over Tehran's ballistic missile tests.

The Treasury Department posted a listing on Friday, naming the individuals and the companies added to the sanctions list. Eight of the individuals are listed as Iranian citizens, three appear to be Chinese, and two Arab.

Most of the businesses listed in the announcement are based in Iran, though one of the entities is located in the United Arab Emirates, two are in China, and three are in Lebanon.

"Today's action is part of Treasury's ongoing efforts to counter Iranian malign activity abroad," said John E. Smith, acting director of the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control.

"Iran's continued support for terrorism and development of its ballistic missile program poses a threat to the region, to our partners worldwide, and to the United States," Smith said. "We will continue to actively apply all available tools, including financial sanctions, to address this behavior."

US President Donald Trump has tweeted that "Iran is playing with fire," and warned Tehran that he won't be as "kind" as former President Barack Obama. His comments come after Tehran's missile test this week.

It comes a day after the US president threatened Tehran that military options are "not off the table" in response to the missile test.

On Monday, Fox News cited US officials as saying that Iran had carried out medium-range ballistic missile tests.

That was followed on Thursday by reports from CNN, NBC News and Reuters, all quoting sources, that said Washington could roll out fresh sanctions against Iran as early as Friday.

In another tweet posted on Thursday, Trump wrote that "Iran was on its last legs and ready to collapse," but the US "gave it a life-line in the form of the Iran Deal: $150 billion."

Meanwhile, the guided missile destroyer USS Cole arrived in the waters off the coast of Yemen on Friday, where it will conduct patrols to "protect waterways" from the Houthi rebels, unnamed US officials told reporters.

"Iran is unmoved by threats as we derive security from our people," Iran's foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said ahead of the announcement.

"We will never use our weapons against anyone, except in self-defense. Let us see if any of those who complain can make the same statement," Zarif wrote.

In the two videos posted on his Twitter account, Zarif is seen explaining Iran's stance in a previous speech.

"You were not the subject of war, where your cities were showered with missiles carrying chemical warheads, and you didn't have a single missile to retaliate, so that maybe Saddam Hussein would stop," he said, referring to the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s.

"We went to one country after another, begging - I insist, begging - for a single scud missile to defend our people. Now, you want us to get a few dollars, and to abandon defending our people," he goes on to say, adding that Iran is "entitled to the rudimentary means of defense."

On Monday, Fox News quoted US officials as saying that Iran had conducted medium-range ballistic missile tests. Iran confirmed that it had tested the missile, and that the launch was "in line" with its plans.

"We will not allow foreigners to interfere in our defense affairs," Defense Minister Hossein Dehghan told Tasnim news agency on Wednesday.

And the new deputy chief of the CIA is an experienced hack ... in torture.
https://www.sott.net/article/341488-New-CIA-deputy-director-Gina-Haspel-used-to-run-black-site-torture-prisons

New CIA deputy director Gina Haspel used to run 'black site' torture prisons


RT
Fri, 03 Feb 2017 15:53 UTC

© Yuri Gripas / Reuters
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) flag
The CIA has announced its new deputy director as Gina Haspel, who took part in covert interrogation programs on Al-Qaeda suspects, and even ran a 'black site' prison in Thailand that used torture for questionings, the Washington Post reports.

Haspel, aged 60, spent most of her 32-year career in assignments overseas: she was the agency's top person in London and was acting head of the clandestine service four years ago.

CIA Director Mike Pompeo said Haspel is a "proven leader with an uncanny ability to get things done and inspire those around her."

Contrary to the usual practice, the statement included other officials' quotes praising Haspel, with former CIA Director Michael Hayden describing her as "a trusted friend, lieutenant and guide to the sometimes opaque corridors of American espionage."

The statement goes on to name the awards she received, but doesn't mention her participation in the interrogation program that was scrapped by former President Barack Obama in 2009.

Haspel also managed one of the first CIA facilities branded 'black sites', a prison in Thailand code-named 'Cat's Eye', where Al-Qaeda suspects were tortured using the notorious waterboarding, in particular.

Not only that, but Haspel also served as chief of staff to the head of the CIA Counterterrorism Center Jose Rodriguez, and reportedly participated in the destruction of interrogation videotapes that showed the torture of detainees at the prison she ran, as well as at other secret compounds.

Rodriguez even mentioned Haspel in his memoir, writing that she "drafted a cable" to get rid of the footage, and he "took a deep breath of weary satisfaction and hit Send."

That move violated several court orders and the demands of 9/11 Commission, and was slammed as "obstruction" by Commission Chairs Lee Hamilton and Thomas Keane.

Back in 2009, the officials responsible for the concealment appeared before a grand jury, which chose not to prosecute. The Justice Department was looking into the abuses during the interrogations, but filed no charges.

Four years later, it's that involvement that allegedly prevented Haspel from getting the position of the head of the agency: in particular, her "extensive role in an interrogation program that critics have said relied on torture to get information from Al-Qaeda captives," as well as running the abovementioned 'Cat's Eye', and last but not least, the destruction of the tapes.

Activists and Democrats were against the appointment and expressed their concern.

"We are obviously still so strongly opposed to her appointment. Her fingerprints are all over the torture program, not to mention destruction of evidence," Human Rights First's director of national security advocacy, Raha Wala, said as cited by the Washington Post.

Two Democratic members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Ron Wyden (Ore) and Martin Heinrich (NM), echoed the activists' concerns, with their statement saying that Haspel's "background makes her unsuitable for the position."

It is not clear as to what degree the information is true considering that some of it comes from Washington Post, which likely is posting about it not out of concern about torture, but just as a way of fanning the flames.

But even if that may be so from WaPo side, then it is alarming if the deputy director has a background in black sites and torture. So we can see that some of the likely 'nazies' in the bureaucracy are getting promoted and filling the positions. It also means that it does not need much tweaking to be activated in full. These people have been getting their experience in the Bush/Obama years so it is not a sudden change, just a gradual progression. If Trump after a few months disappears (in a false flag assassinated by a "mad Iranian" with a Chinese mother and a Russian father), then the establishment will be very happy with the results and will have their people in place. Or so I fear.
 
Re: Trump, Brexit and psychometrics

Hithere said:
Interesting article about Big Data being utilized to manufacture messages targeted at specific types of people, allegedly a big part of the reason Trump got elected and also behind Brexit:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win

I am sure Big Data is ubiquitous these days. But in this case I think it was still subservient to Big Media. Maybe the Trump side used data to better target his message, but so did the other side. I think stating that Trump used this to get elected ignores the larger factors involved in the election cycle. And all those other factors were aligned against Trump. So, rubbish I say. That was not an advantage that was not available to all sides. What you could say, was the Trump message resonated with people, and the Clinton message did not.
 
Now might be a good time for everyone to watch the following video which has miles of archive footage I'm sure most have never seen before. Amazing.

I don't think the situation then can be exactly mapped to today, but there are important elements to keep in mind. Notice how Poland was demonized in Germany to get the people worked up for war. Same thing being done to Russia today. Or was, at least.

Then, there is the "Make America Great" thing that sort of maps onto Hitler making Germany great. Big difference is Trump is way older than Hitler was so if there are any plans to take it further than that, obviously, someone else will step into the role. And I really don't see that mapping at all because US is pretty much half a continent and stretches from sea to sea. Germany was surrounded by land it just wanted to grab.

Anyway, watch it even if it is a tough one to endure:

 
What stands out for the most is how the populace is behaving with Trump in office.

Being it either 'Right' or 'Left,' They truly see each other as enemies, are unable to listen to each other and they tend to get more and more extreme.

The populace is like one big melting pot getting primed for something? I can't exactly point out where this all is going to lead to. But it feels very worrying.
 
Lada Ray to have a webinar about Trump. Can somebody check it out and take notes for us?

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/lada-ray-webinar-donald-trump-is-very-important-for-earth-shift-and-geopolitical-development/

Lada Ray Webinar on Trump:

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Donald Trump is very important for Earth Shift and next several years of geopolitical development

It appears I forgot to mention something important about the upcoming Lada Ray Webinar 1 on Trump. The thing is that many of my followers should know, but perhaps some forget, that I am a completely non-partisan, impartial and detached observer.

I look at the events not from the perspective of whether republicans or democrats should win, whether the left or right agenda is better. I also don’t get into most of the petty arguments out there, unless I have to.

My view is that of whether a person, country, or event benefits the life on our planet, whether it supports positive human development, advancement of the Earth Shift and consciousness, or not. All my work, including the books and webinars I plan for this year and next, is about that.

This is the perspective from which we will be approaching the upcoming Webinar 1 on Trump. In this webinar I promised to tell you the entire truth of how I foresee the development of the Trump presidency, how it will impact the world and every one of us. I also promised to reveal my predictions and intel I wouldn’t normally share with the public in general.

If you have followed me even for a short while, you know how right on the money my predictions are. Therefore, you should know how valuable everything I about to share with you can be.

Donald Trump is very important to the ongoing Earth Shift and geopolitical development in the next several years. However, if you want an ecstatic Trump fan club, this is not the place.

But if you really want to know what the future holds, if you want the whole truth and nothing but the truth – with all its positives and negatives – Lada Ray Webinar is the place to be.

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I've signed up, but I won't be available for the actual broadcast as I'm working the weekend. I'll take notes and post on Monday.
 
Re: Trump, Brexit and psychometrics

Ant22 said:
Hithere said:
Interesting article about Big Data being utilized to manufacture messages targeted at specific types of people, allegedly a big part of the reason Trump got elected and also behind Brexit:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win

That's a really interesting article, thank you for posting this Hithere! Some parts caught my attention and I'd like to comment on them:

(...) In 2012, Kosinski proved that on the basis of an average of 68 Facebook "likes" by a user, it was possible to predict their skin color (with 95 percent accuracy), their sexual orientation (88 percent accuracy), and their affiliation to the Democratic or Republican party (85 percent). But it didn't stop there. Intelligence, religious affiliation, as well as alcohol, cigarette and drug use, could all be determined. From the data it was even possible to deduce whether someone's parents were divorced.

The strength of their modeling was illustrated by how well it could predict a subject's answers. Kosinski continued to work on the models incessantly: before long, he was able to evaluate a person better than the average work colleague, merely on the basis of ten Facebook "likes." Seventy "likes" were enough to outdo what a person's friends knew, 150 what their parents knew, and 300 "likes" what their partner knew. More "likes" could even surpass what a person thought they knew about themselves. On the day that Kosinski published these findings, he received two phone calls. The threat of a lawsuit and a job offer. Both from Facebook. (...)

Above all, however—and this is key—it also works in reverse: not only can psychological profiles be created from your data, but your data can also be used the other way round to search for specific profiles: all anxious fathers, all angry introverts, for example—or maybe even all undecided Democrats? Essentially, what Kosinski had invented was sort of a people search engine. He started to recognize the potential—but also the inherent danger—of his work.

The predictability of our behaviours and the extent to which we can be so accurately assessed and categorized just goes to show that we are machines. Gosh, and people think they are so perfectly unique in their thinking, beliefs and behaviours. Each of them. Laughable.

I read the article and enjoyed much the story. Certainly when I read those paragraphs I was thinking in the same line, trying with machines make quite easy to predict their "behavior". IMO Indentification seems to be one of the main keys here (not the only one). Most of people tend to indentify with ideas, traditions, values, etc. and those associations make them fall on categories that have specifics traits (likes, dislikes, fears, etc).

Ant22 said:
Kosinski came to suspect that Kogan's company might have reproduced the Facebook "Likes"-based Big Five measurement tool in order to sell it to this election-influencing firm.

All was quiet for about a year. Then, in November 2015, the more radical of the two Brexit campaigns, "Leave.EU," supported by Nigel Farage, announced that it had commissioned a Big Data company to support its online campaign: Cambridge Analytica. The company's core strength: innovative political marketing—microtargeting—by measuring people's personality from their digital footprints, based on the OCEAN model.

How to keep Clinton voters away from the ballot box:
Trump's striking inconsistencies, his much-criticized fickleness, and the resulting array of contradictory messages, suddenly turned out to be his great asset: a different message for every voter. The notion that Trump acted like a perfectly opportunistic algorithm following audience reactions is something the mathematician Cathy O'Neil observed in August 2016.

"Pretty much every message that Trump put out was data-driven," Alexander Nix remembers. On the day of the third presidential debate between Trump and Clinton, Trump's team tested 175,000 different ad variations for his arguments, in order to find the right versions above all via Facebook. The messages differed for the most part only in microscopic details, in order to target the recipients in the optimal psychological way: different headings, colors, captions, with a photo or video. This fine-tuning reaches all the way down to the smallest groups, Nix explained in an interview with us. "We can address villages or apartment blocks in a targeted way. Even individuals.”

In the Miami district of Little Haiti, for instance, Trump's campaign provided inhabitants with news about the failure of the Clinton Foundation following the earthquake in Haiti, in order to keep them from voting for Hillary Clinton. This was one of the goals: to keep potential Clinton voters (which include wavering left-wingers, African-Americans, and young women) away from the ballot box, to "suppress" their vote, as one senior campaign official told Bloomberg in the weeks before the election. These "dark posts"—sponsored news-feed-style ads in Facebook timelines that can only be seen by users with specific profiles—included videos aimed at African-Americans in which Hillary Clinton refers to black men as predators, for example.

I can't help but think that the author is trying to build a case against Trump's election and Brexit being legitimate people's choices. Both Brexit and Trump's presidency likely came as a surprise to the PTB and the C's said that the actual numbers of people voting for each were higher than those that were officially announced. Votes were manipulated but that was in favour of Hilary and the Brexit 'leave' vote.

The measures were radical: From July 2016, Trump's canvassers were provided with an app with which they could identify the political views and personality types of the inhabitants of a house. It was the same app provider used by Brexit campaigners. Trump's people only rang at the doors of houses that the app rated as receptive to his messages.

So basically these people were already likely to vote for Trump anyway. The author says the app enabled Trump supporters to be specifically targeted so their views could be strengthened. And maybe some fence sitters were pushed off the fence?

I do wonder why this article hasn't gone viral in the MSM - such a pretty piece of 'evidence' that Trump manipulated the people!

The article ponder that allegedly Trump's campaing has took advantage of classify people on basis to psychological traits using psychometric technics and then putting in front of them the "suitables ideas". On the other side the Clinton team used a more traditional approach working mostly on mass medias and using demographic info to categorize people. It seems that psychometric info resulted more useful and that gave to Trump's campaingners a more accurate target to direct their propaganda. But anyway this does not prove anything about Trump being the bad guy because both of them (Trump and Clinton) used psycho technics to catch voters; this is very usual in political world and it is logical to think that every year they will try to enhance their technics and resources.

A different issue is try to know what were their real intentions; in Clinton case it seems to be quite evident, but with Trump the affair seems to be some more blurred...
 
_https://amp.businessinsider.com/book-steve-bannon-is-obsessed-with-the-fourth-turning-2017-2

Steve Bannon's obsession with a dark theory of history should be worrisome
Linette Lopez Feb 2, 2017, 4:24 PM ET

President Trump's adviser, Steve Bannon, is on the cover of this week's Time magazine, and in the piece it is revealed that Bannon deeply believes in a theory about America's future laid out in a book called "The Fourth Turning: What Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with Destiny."

This fact should concern every American.

In the book, authors William Strauss and Neil Howe theorize that the history of a people moves in 80-to-100 year cycles called "saecula." The idea goes back to the ancient Greeks, who believed that at a given saeculum's end, there would come "ekpyrosis," a cataclysmic event that destroys the old order and brings in a new one in a trial of fire.

This era of change is known as the Fourth Turning, and Bannon, like Strauss and Howe, believes we are in the midst of one right now.

According to the book, the last two Fourth Turnings that America experienced were the Civil War and the Reconstruction, and then the Great Depression and World War II. Before that, it was the Revolutionary War.

All these were marked by periods of dread and decay in which the American people were forced to unite to rebuild a new future, but only after a massive conflict in which many lives were lost. It all starts with a catalyst event, then there's a period of regeneracy, after that there is a defining climax in which a war for the old order is fought, and then finally there is a resolution in which a new world order is stabilized.

This is where Bannon's obsession with this book should cause concern. He believes that, for the new world order to rise, there must be a massive reckoning. That we will soon reach our climax conflict. In the White House, he has shown that he is willing to advise Trump to enact policies that will disrupt our current order to bring about what he perceives as a necessary new one. He encourages breaking down political and economic alliances and turning away from traditional American principles to cause chaos.

In that way, Bannon seems to be trying to bring about the Fourth Turning.

The book in Bannon

Bannon has never been secretive about his desire to use Trump to bring about his vision of America. He told Vanity Fair last summer that Trump was a "blunt instrument for us ... I don't know whether he really gets it or not."

Perhaps not, but putting a Fourth Turning lens on Trump's policies certainly give them a great deal of context. Bannon believes that the catalyst for the Fourth Turning has already happened: the financial crisis.

So now we are in the regeneracy. Howe and Strauss describe this period as one of isolationism, one of infrastructure building and of strong, centralized government power, and a reimagination of the economy.

Of course it's important not to lose sight of the end here. Bannon believes in authoritarian politics as preparation for a massive conflict between East and West, whether East means the Middle East or China.

Over the years, Bannon has unsuccessfully tried to pressure historians such as David Kaiser, now at MIT, to say the same thing.

From Time:

"I remember him saying, 'Well, look, you have the American revolution, and then you have the Civil War, which was bigger than the revolution. And you have the Second World War, which was bigger than the Civil War,' Kaiser said. 'He even wanted me to say that on camera, and I was not willing.'
"Howe, too, was struck by what he calls Bannon's 'rather severe outlook on what our nation is going through.' Bannon noted repeatedly on his radio show that 'we're at war' with radical jihadis in places around the world. This is 'a global existential war' that likely will become 'a major shooting war in the Middle East again.' War with China may also be looming, he has said. This conviction is central to the Breitbart mission, he explained in November 2015: 'Our big belief, one of our central organizing principles at the site, is that we're at war.'"

The reality of repetition

Ultimately, the danger of writing about the past at the same time one writes about the future is that it can be hard for an author to separate the two. The steps and missteps of the past seem so easily repeatable that the future seems to march in lockstep. But this is not what history has shown us. The catastrophes of every era have always materialized in their own unique ways.

It is here where Strauss and Howe fail in their work, and here where Bannon gets caught in their failure. The authors mention in passing that the event that brings us into a crisis could be "as ominous as a financial crisis or as ordinary as a national election."

This makes sense. The Fourth Turning of the Civil War and Reconstruction played out differently than the Fourth Turning afterward, the Depression and World War II.

But Strauss and Howe fail to recognize that difference in their description of the Fourth Turning to come. They forget that no two Turnings are alike; instead, they get trapped thinking that the last catalyst - the Great Depression, a financial crisis - was the next one as well, and Bannon does too.

This is why he believes that the Great Financial Crisis of 2008 was the catalyst of our crisis, just as the Great Depression was the catalyst in the previous saeculum. But the two are not comparable. Unemployment in the US never reached 20%, as it did then; it hit 10% in October 2009. In 2008 the government acted fast to prevent a full global meltdown, and it did not allow the situation to deteriorate the way President Herbert Hoover and his administration did for two years.

Instead of all of America suffering as one, what the financial crisis brought on was an exacerbation of the inequality growing in the world for the 40 years before it.

So when President Franklin Roosevelt described a country laid waste by the Great Depression in his inaugural address in 1933, he was describing a picture that all Americans were seeing. On the other hand Trump, in his inaugural, described a dark "American carnage" that many did not recognize. That lack of recognition marked our deep division as a country.

Alignment

So perhaps there is a Fourth Turning to come, but Bannon is not an architect of its initiation. According to Howe and Strauss, unity is the defining feature of the regeneracy. It is what allows leaders during a crisis to become "authoritarian, severe, unyielding" in commanding resources in order to rebuild society.

This is what allowed FDR to command the full force of government to put people back to work. But unity is less apparent in American society than it has been in years. Quite the contrary, our society is showing division as never before.

The stars of the "Fourth Turning" are baby boomers and millennials. Boomers are the ideologues who lead our country into conflict through folly; millennials are cast as the young heroes that bring them out of it.

Once the catalyst event takes place, Strauss and Howe describe a situation in which America coalesces under one leader - a boomer "Gray Warrior" - who will "urgently resist the idea that a second consecutive generation might be denied the American Dream. No matter how shattered the economy ... "


If Bannon believes that he is working for this Gray Warrior, then he's missing a very important point: Millennials are the ones who lead the way forward out of crisis in this story, but considering the needs of the young has never had any place under Trumpism. Trump's words appealed most to older generations who felt like something had been taken away from them, not to younger generations who felt like they were never given a chance at the American Dream in the first place.

The majority of young people who voted in 2016 voted against President Trump, and even more millennials chose to stay home. That is, in part, because Trump never offered young people anything. In July, at the Republican National Convention, the national head of the young Republicans, Alexandra Smith, warned her party about this.

"For too long Republicans haven't been making their case to millennials," Smith said, her saccharine tone smoothing over the severity of the situation. "There's just too much old and not enough grand in the way we express our party's value to the next generation of voters."

"The Fourth Turning" envisioned by Howe and Strauss requires a return to an agreed-upon set of values, but millennials and the GOP (or Bannon for that matter) couldn't be farther away from one another. For one, millennials are the most diverse group in US history (43% of them are nonwhite). Most do not share Bannon's vision for ethnic conflict.

"The Fourth Turning" is the story of our country unifying against internal struggles and an outside threat. The authors describe it as the natural course of history, as something that just falls into place. Instead, what we are seeing, with Trump's travel ban and his threats against Mexico and China, is the creation of enemies, enemies many Americans don't want to have.

Instead of uniting us, Bannon's belief in "The Fourth Turning" is dividing us. This is dangerous, uncharted territory. What comes next is, as always, unwritten.
 
obyvatel said:
_https://amp.businessinsider.com/book-steve-bannon-is-obsessed-with-the-fourth-turning-2017-2

[...]

"The Fourth Turning" is the story of our country unifying against internal struggles and an outside threat. The authors describe it as the natural course of history, as something that just falls into place. Instead, what we are seeing, with Trump's travel ban and his threats against Mexico and China, is the creation of enemies, enemies many Americans don't want to have.

Instead of uniting us, Bannon's belief in "The Fourth Turning" is dividing us. This is dangerous, uncharted territory. What comes next is, as always, unwritten.

That's the key question. The theory of the Fourth Turning is descriptive. But does Bannon confuse descriptive with prescriptive in the same way that fundies want to take actions that will 'force God's hand' into bringing the Apocalypse? Or are the media wrongly making Bannon look confused about it?

Earlier today I came across this article on the Guardian:

Steve Bannon: 'We're going to war in the South China Sea ... no doubt'

_https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/steve-bannon-donald-trump-war-south-china-sea-no-doubt

Only months ago Donald Trump’s chief strategist predicted military involvement in east Asia and the Middle East in Breitbart radio shows

The United States and China will fight a war within the next 10 years over islands in the South China Sea, and “there’s no doubt about that”. At the same time, the US will be in another “major” war in the Middle East.

Those are the views – nine months ago at least – of one of the most powerful men in Donald Trump’s administration, Steve Bannon, the former head of far-right news website Breitbart who is now chief strategist at the White House.

In the first weeks of Trump’s presidency, Bannon has emerged as a central figure. He was appointed to the “principals committee” of the National Security Council in a highly unusual move and was influential in the recent travel ban on citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries, overruling Department of Homeland Security officials who felt the order did not apply to green card holders.

While many in Trump’s team are outspoken critics of China, in radio shows Bannon hosted for Breitbart he makes plain the two largest threats to America: China and Islam.

“We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years,” he said in March 2016. “There’s no doubt about that. They’re taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those. They come here to the United States in front of our face – and you understand how important face is – and say it’s an ancient territorial sea.”


China says nearly the entire South China Sea falls within its territory, with half a dozen other countries maintaining partially overlapping claims. China has built a series of artificial islands on reefs and rocks in attempt to bolster its position, complete with military-length airstrips and anti-aircraft weapons.

Bannon’s sentiments and his position in Trump’s inner circle add to fears of a military confrontation with China, after secretary of state Rex Tillerson said that the US would deny China access to the seven artificial islands. Experts warned any blockade would lead to war.

Bannon is clearly wary of China’s growing clout in Asia and beyond, framing the relationship as entirely adversarial, predicting a global culture clash in the coming years.

“You have an expansionist Islam and you have an expansionist China. Right? They are motivated. They’re arrogant. They’re on the march. And they think the Judeo-Christian west is on the retreat,” Bannon said during a February 2016 radio show.

On the day Trump was inaugurated, China’s military warned that war between the two countries was a real possibility.

“A ‘war within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality,” an official wrote on the website of the People’s Liberation Army.

Aside from conflict between armies, Bannon repeatedly focused on his perception that Christianity around the world is under threat.

In one radio show, used to promote an article incorrectly claiming that a mosque had been built at the North Pole, Bannon focused heavily on China’s oppression of Christian groups.

“The one thing the Chinese fear more than America … they fear Christianity more than anything,” he said.

But China is not the only hotspot Bannon sees, and forecasts another ground war for American troops in the Middle East.

“Some of these situations may get a little unpleasant,” Bannon said in November 2015. “But you know what, we’re in a war. We’re clearly going into, I think, a major shooting war in the Middle East again.”

He also branded Islam as “the most radical” religion in the world, and moved swiftly since entering the White House to enact policies hostile to Muslims. Some have called Trump’s central doctrine a “war on Islam”.

In view of this, I can think of a third option: Bannon thinks this is simply the inevitable course of history, but as the chief strategist of the White House, he will advise in terms of preparing for such confrontations, and the resulting actions will turn this clash of civilizations into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Much in the same way that the rioting leftists may end up self-fulfilling their prophecy of a Hitler Trump situation.
 

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