Trump orders attack on Syria, asks for other countries to join him.
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angelburst29
The Living Force
Joe said:
I'm starting to strongly consider, that this missile incident was a pre-planned and organized Game Plan between Putin and Trump? Might be the reason for the report that CIA heads and Intelligence were absent from Trump's meeting? Many in the intelligence community are on Trump's side and might have been working behind the scenes and coordinating with Russian Military during this event? The fact - that Russian Military were at sea conducting a drill during the same time frame - as U.S. missile strikes were hitting the Base, is another factor to consider?
The Shayrat airbase that the U.S. military targeted is also symbolic of another incident, namely the March 17th downing of a Israeli plane by the Syrian military. The Syrian plane that shot down the Israeli plane and damaged another was stationed at Shayrat Air Force base. I reason, that might be one of the reasons Netanyahu was over-joyed that Trump hit that base?
Speaking of Netanyahu and Israel's involvement in Syria, along with Erdogan's activities, I wonder if this "air strike" has something to do with eventually forcing Israel and Turkey out of Syria?
Quote from: Windmill Knight
Of course, Natanyahu took a hissy-fit because Syria took the option of defending itself, then go one step further by blaming Putin via Israel's Haaretz:
Along with Netanyahu and Israel's objectives and power grabs in Syria - Turkey's Erdogan is another serious problem!
Just a few recent developments: The Syrian Government have been trying diplomatic channels with the UN to get Erdogan and his forces out. Both Assad and Putin are aware of Erdogan's motives which are counter to any Peace agreements.
Erdogan's true colors and barbaric behavior towards Syrian's to enforce his plans:
On March 5th, Turkish forces shoot down a Syrian plane on Reconnaissance near the Turkey Border. The pilot ejected and suffered injuries. Turkish soldiers located the pilot and he was hospitalize. Turkey has since arrested him and will probably be used in a prisoner exchange. On the same day, Turkey cut the water supply into Syria via the Tishrin Dam.
On March 7th, Turkey, US, Russia Military Chiefs Hold Surprise Tripartite Security Meeting in Antalya
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13951217001186
The office of Turkish Chief of General Staff said in statement that Turkish Chief of General Staff Gen. Hulusi Akar, US Chief of General Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford and Russian Chief of General Staff Gen. Valery Gerasimov met in Antalya, Hurriyet reported.
(Comment - this meeting might have been the turning point - that was behind Trump bombing the Syrian Base?)
Media source said that the Turkish Army troops are forcing Arab citizens in Northern Syria to join the Ankara-backed militants of the Euphrates Shield Operation, killing those who do not obey.
Then on March 15th, Four US Senators introduced a resolution - condemning Russia and Iran for continuing to deliver military aid to the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, Senator John McCain announced in a press release on Wednesday.
US Senators Introduce Resolution Against Russia, Iran Actions in Syria - McCain
https://sputniknews.com/us/201703151051617513-mccain-syria-iran-russia/
The resolution states Russia, Iran as well as Iranian-backed militias must stop operations in Syria as soon as possible and allow the flow of the humanitarian aid into the worn-torn areas, particularly in those controlled by opposition forces.
Then on March 17th, a Syrian plane shot down the Israeli plane.
'Dirty Geopolitical Game': West-Backed Jihadis Carried Out Syria Chemical Attack
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201704091052464961-syria-false-flag-attack-jihadists/
[...] Lueders recalled the chemical weapons attack carried out August 21 2013, in which over 1000 people in Ghouta, a suburb of Damascus, were killed after rockets containing sarin gas struck opposition-controlled areas.
Following that incident, the US condemned the Syrian government, accusing Damascus of carrying out the attack, an allegation it denied.
On August 30 2013, the White House said it had assessed "with high confidence" that the Syrian government carried out the chemical attack on Ghouta, raising the prospect of a US strike against Syrian forces. In 2012, President Barack Obama had called the potential use of chemical weapons by Assad "a red line" which may change his view on US military intervention there.
In the aftermath of the attack, the Pentagon made preparations for a strike on Syrian forces. However, Obama made a surprise U-turn and asked for the approval of Congress first, which declined to give permission for the strike.
Obama did so after receiving new intelligence which shed doubt on the US presumption of guilt of the Syrian army, Lueders said. The new evidence pointed not to the involvement of the Syrian government in the Ghouta attack, but of the al-Nusra front in collaboration with Turkish intelligence services.
Why didn't he give the order? Because his own intelligence told him to be careful since US and UK intelligence had examined the chemical gas used in Ghouta and had come to the conclusion that the sarin found there was not the same as that found in the Syrian army's stocks."
They suspected that this was a collaboration between the al-Nusra front, one of the most evil jihadist groups, al-Qaeda's subsidiary in Syria, and the Turkish intelligence services."
"Turkey had evidently armed the al-Nusra front with sarin gas. In June 2013, there was an investigation by the US intelligence services, which you can read, that clearly says, 'we know that Turkey has equipped the al-Nusra front and other groups with sarin gas and they are producing sarin gas themselves.'"
[...] On Tuesday, the Syrian National Coalition of Revolution and Opposition Forces, which was formed in Qatar in 2012, reported that some 80 people were killed and 200 injured in a chemical attack on civilians in Khan Shaykhun, a town in the Idlib governorate of northwestern Syria.
In retaliation at the alleged attack the US launched an airstrike on the Syrian army's Sha'irat airbase. However, the US has failed to find proof of the existence of chemical weapons at the airfield.
angelburst29
The Living Force
luc said:
Just what were those devices on the table in Trump's improvised Mar-a-Lago war room? Security experts analyze the high-tech boxes (Photo)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4395330/Mysterious-tech-Trump-s-Mar-Lago-war-room-analyzed.html
* While Obama's war rooms had plenty of laptops, Trump's only had white boxes
* Experts were unfamiliar with the systems, which they believe are custom-built
* They're most likely White House microphone systems for secure communication
* They seem to be connected to a Cisco touch screen and a monitor/camera setup
It's a moment that we've seen many times before: the president and his staff overseeing a tense military operation, intently focused on a satellite link to some distant country.
But this time there was a notable difference.
While similar images from Obama's time show staff with laptops and snarled cables, photos from Thursday's Syria strike show Trump's team with just a single monitor and a mysterious array of linked boxes.
What are those boxes? It's a question that is baffling even ex-White House tech experts, Vice's Motherboard reported.
'On the far left you can see a monitor/screen with a camera on top, so that's part of a secure video conference,' said Tommy Vietor, formerly Obama's National Security Spokesman.
However, the black-and-white boxes were unknown to him.
'The one in front of Reince looks like there are maybe cable inputs or a headphone jack but I don't know,' he said.
'They could be little displays, or maybe just receivers to pick up audio?'
He added that if they were performing a video teleconference with the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he 'would strongly suspect' that the technology was secure White House communications equipment.
Brian Roemmele, founder of credit card terminal company 1st American Card Service, said that the boxes were unique to the White House.
He tweeted that the black box visible in front of the TV was 'a Cisco TelePresence Touch 8' while the white boxes were 'custom participant interfaces.'
Like Vieto and Roemmele, Justin Iovine, a presentation service technician at VICE's Brooklyn offices, agreed that the white boxes were custom-made receivers.
He added that 'They are most likely using a codec [data encoding device] for the telepresence,' in order to get 'one-to-one communication, or multiple secure controlled connections.'
Concerns about security at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate were sparked in February, when photos showed the president and Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe discussing North Korean missile tests in a public dining room.
One member of the public even took a photo with a man they claimed was responsible for carrying America's nuclear football.
But Vieto said that 'while Trump's staff is incompetent, the White House Communications Agency are bada** and professional.'
Russia, Iran Warn U.S. They Will "Respond With Force" If Syria "Red Lines" Crossed Again
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-09/russia-iran-warn-trump-they-will-respond-force-if-syria-red-lines-crossed-again
In the statement published by the group on media outlet Ilam al Harbi, the pro-Assad alliances says that “what America waged in an aggression on Syria is a crossing of red lines. From now on we will respond with force to any aggressor or any breach of red lines from whoever it is and America knows our ability to respond well." (Article continues.)
Ambrose
The Force is Strong With This One
angelburst29 said:
The Seamass' link to the article from Sputnik News and that Konashenkov's comment is highly encouraging and very much supports what you've offered as the possibility in the first sentence.
There is a possibility that the Russians "allowed" the attack to take place and do "some" damage so as to have a rational explanation why they are strengthening and modernising Syrian air defense throughout the country (especially down south near Golan and Damascus), and not just in the areas sensitive to Russian Aerospace Forces or Navy.
Cui malo?
The ones who like to strike now weakened and exhausted Syria often and at whim - those in the second sentence.
I now have little doubt this Idlib CW false flag they helped accredit for the US strikes is going to come back and hit them in the head.
Oh boy.
Check this brain flash out:
We have seen this scenario, almost identical in both timing and spirit, unfold before in the Bay of Pigs fiasco...
~~~
When Kennedy entered the White House in January 1961, he inherited from his predecessor, Dwight D. Eisenhower, an ongoing conflict with the leftist regime in Cuba. Aided by Soviet-bloc weaponry, Fidel Castro (reportedly) led a brutal clampdown on human rights and dissent[...]
Kennedy authorized Operation Zapata, the attempt to overthrow Cuba’s communist leader on April 15. (Note the date.)
The resulting Bay of Pigs Invasion was a failed military invasion undertaken by the CIA-sponsored paramilitary group Brigade 2506 on 17 April 1961.
~~~
The parallels between that historical black spot and the events in Syria seem eerily evident.
-Kennedy, also a freshly minted president, had to swallow his pride and make the horrid choice of toeing the party line on the ill-advised and illegal war actions against Cuba, publicly making what appeared to be a 180 degree turn from his normal political stance. Thing is.., according to Fletcher Prouty "The 'Bay of Pigs' plan did not originate during the Kennedy administration. It had been inherited, full-blown." It had its own momentum and was operating outside of normal military command, through CIA back channels largely, according to Prouty, with a mind of its own.
Now the Kennedy/Bay of Pigs/CIA and Trump/Syria/CIA dramas are not absolute parallels of one another, the details are skewed across different players and values, but the performance IS similar enough that when I landed on this thought, well.., I must admit to being rather stunned. I was quite eager to post the observation here.
Where the heck else does one post such a thought? At the risk of boring people through repetition and reiteration.., (Ha ha! Get it?) -I am of the general belief that when Gurdjieff and others describe the universe as being mechanical and time being cyclical, I should find it only natural that such historical parallels constantly pop up. The question is...
What can be learned from it?
(You can read Fletcher Prouty's account of the Bay of Pigs from his unique perspective as deep state insider here... http://www.prouty.org/bay_pigs.html )
Check this brain flash out:
We have seen this scenario, almost identical in both timing and spirit, unfold before in the Bay of Pigs fiasco...
~~~
When Kennedy entered the White House in January 1961, he inherited from his predecessor, Dwight D. Eisenhower, an ongoing conflict with the leftist regime in Cuba. Aided by Soviet-bloc weaponry, Fidel Castro (reportedly) led a brutal clampdown on human rights and dissent[...]
Kennedy authorized Operation Zapata, the attempt to overthrow Cuba’s communist leader on April 15. (Note the date.)
The resulting Bay of Pigs Invasion was a failed military invasion undertaken by the CIA-sponsored paramilitary group Brigade 2506 on 17 April 1961.
~~~
The parallels between that historical black spot and the events in Syria seem eerily evident.
-Kennedy, also a freshly minted president, had to swallow his pride and make the horrid choice of toeing the party line on the ill-advised and illegal war actions against Cuba, publicly making what appeared to be a 180 degree turn from his normal political stance. Thing is.., according to Fletcher Prouty "The 'Bay of Pigs' plan did not originate during the Kennedy administration. It had been inherited, full-blown." It had its own momentum and was operating outside of normal military command, through CIA back channels largely, according to Prouty, with a mind of its own.
Now the Kennedy/Bay of Pigs/CIA and Trump/Syria/CIA dramas are not absolute parallels of one another, the details are skewed across different players and values, but the performance IS similar enough that when I landed on this thought, well.., I must admit to being rather stunned. I was quite eager to post the observation here.
Where the heck else does one post such a thought? At the risk of boring people through repetition and reiteration.., (Ha ha! Get it?) -I am of the general belief that when Gurdjieff and others describe the universe as being mechanical and time being cyclical, I should find it only natural that such historical parallels constantly pop up. The question is...
What can be learned from it?
(You can read Fletcher Prouty's account of the Bay of Pigs from his unique perspective as deep state insider here... http://www.prouty.org/bay_pigs.html )
JGeropoulas
The Living Force
I started to post this under “Tickle Me” but then it didn’t seem so funny considering apparently we now have--not one (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,43985.msg710478.html#msg710478 )--but two unelected Zionists in control of the White House it seems.
_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4393982/Was-Ivanka-forced-father-s-change-heart.html
_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4393782/Syrians-calling-Trump-Abu-Ivanka-al-Amriki.html
_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4393982/Was-Ivanka-forced-father-s-change-heart.html
_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4393782/Syrians-calling-Trump-Abu-Ivanka-al-Amriki.html
Just because of the timing, I found myself wondering if Xi Jinping, or someone in his party might have been the conduit for communicating with Russia. I think this is unlikely, though. I imagine there are meetings taking place in the deep tunnels. Probably the meetings and visits we know about are just for show.
Yupo said:
I don't think that would have been the case, as a) Trump seems quite antagonistic vis-a-vis China, and b) the Chinese delegation would also be under electronic surveillance. The only absolutely secure way to inform the Russians would be by a messenger who delivers the information face-to-face, for that the time would not have been long enough.
Of course it is possible, that the Chinese and/or Russian have communications technology that is impervious to American eavesdropping, but whether or not they would have that at an official meeting in another country (with the risk of "loosing" this technology and having it retroengineered by their US counterpart) and willing to use it, is in my view highly questionable.
angelburst29
The Living Force
Is Rex Tillerson the next victim of the Neocon's?
US President Donald Trump’s administration is partly responsible for the incident with the use of chemical weapons in the Syrian city of Idlib because the remarks made by US State Secretary Rex Tillerson provoked it, US Senator John McCain said.
McCain: US Administration 'Partially to Blame' for Chemical Attack in Syria
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704101052473838-usa-administration-mccain-lame/
In March, Tillerson said that the removal of Syrian President Bashar Assad from office is not a top priority for the United States anymore as the Syrian nation should determine Assad’s fate.
“I think it probably was partially to blame … And Secretary Tillerson basically saying the same thing after kind of contradicting himself and then saying the same thing argues vigorously for a plan and a strategy,” McCain told the CBS broadcaster in a response whether Tillerson’s remarks facilitated the use of chemical weapons, which the US administration blames on Assad.
Sen. Graham: Assad Saying ‘F You’ to Trump By Flying From Bombed Airfield (NBC video)
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/sen-graham-assad-saying-f-you-trump-flying-bombed-airfield-n744326
“Here’s what I think Assad’s telling Trump by flying from this base: ‘F you,'” Graham said on “Meet The Press.” “And I think he’s making a huge mistake. Because if you’re an adversary of the United States and you don’t worry about what Trump may do on any given day, then you’re crazy.”
'Russia Not Going to Conduct Armed Activity With US' - MP on Syria Developments
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201704101052478240-russia-us-armed-actions-syria/
The Russian Aerospace Forces and its vessels are tasked with supporting the Syrian government's anti-terrorism efforts, not conducting armed activity with the United States, Russian senator Victor Ozerov told Sputnik on Monday.
Russia is not going there to conduct armed activity with the US, our task there is to support the Syrian armed forces in the fight against terrorism," Ozerov, chairman of the Russian upper house defense and security committee, said.
He stressed that "we have a mandate to fulfill this very task."
The return of Russia’s Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate to the Mediterranean Sea is planned and not related to last week's US missile attack on Syria, the senator said.
"You cannot deploy such a ship in one day. This rotation is planned; the Admiral Grigorovich escorted the Admiral Kuznetsov [aircraft carrier], and is now back," he said. "Admiral Grigorovich is quite an effective ship; we have already attacked militants from its deck. Thus, this is not so much about the moral support for the Syrian armed forces in the fight against terrorists, as it is about fire cover," he elaborated.
The Black Sea Fleet frigate returned to the Russian Navy's permanent group in the Mediterranean Sea after taking part in bilateral Russian-Turkish exercises during an unofficial visit by the Turkish warships to Russia’s southern port of Novorossiysk, Black Sea Fleet spokesman Сapt. 1st Rank Vyacheslav Trukhachev said.
Khamenei Calls US Missile Strike Against Syrian Airfield 'Strategic Mistake'
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704101052475122-iran-leader-usa-strike-mistake/
What Americans did was a strategic mistake, and they are repeating the same mistakes done by their predecessors,” Khamenei said at a meeting with senior Iranian Armed Forces commanders in Tehran, as quoted by the Fars news agency.
He also accused the United States of supporting terrorism in the region.
“Former US officials created ISIL [Daesh] or helped it, and present officials are reinvigorating ISIL and similar groups,” Khamenei said.
US President Donald Trump’s administration is partly responsible for the incident with the use of chemical weapons in the Syrian city of Idlib because the remarks made by US State Secretary Rex Tillerson provoked it, US Senator John McCain said.
McCain: US Administration 'Partially to Blame' for Chemical Attack in Syria
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704101052473838-usa-administration-mccain-lame/
In March, Tillerson said that the removal of Syrian President Bashar Assad from office is not a top priority for the United States anymore as the Syrian nation should determine Assad’s fate.
“I think it probably was partially to blame … And Secretary Tillerson basically saying the same thing after kind of contradicting himself and then saying the same thing argues vigorously for a plan and a strategy,” McCain told the CBS broadcaster in a response whether Tillerson’s remarks facilitated the use of chemical weapons, which the US administration blames on Assad.
Sen. Graham: Assad Saying ‘F You’ to Trump By Flying From Bombed Airfield (NBC video)
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/sen-graham-assad-saying-f-you-trump-flying-bombed-airfield-n744326
“Here’s what I think Assad’s telling Trump by flying from this base: ‘F you,'” Graham said on “Meet The Press.” “And I think he’s making a huge mistake. Because if you’re an adversary of the United States and you don’t worry about what Trump may do on any given day, then you’re crazy.”
'Russia Not Going to Conduct Armed Activity With US' - MP on Syria Developments
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201704101052478240-russia-us-armed-actions-syria/
The Russian Aerospace Forces and its vessels are tasked with supporting the Syrian government's anti-terrorism efforts, not conducting armed activity with the United States, Russian senator Victor Ozerov told Sputnik on Monday.
Russia is not going there to conduct armed activity with the US, our task there is to support the Syrian armed forces in the fight against terrorism," Ozerov, chairman of the Russian upper house defense and security committee, said.
He stressed that "we have a mandate to fulfill this very task."
The return of Russia’s Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate to the Mediterranean Sea is planned and not related to last week's US missile attack on Syria, the senator said.
"You cannot deploy such a ship in one day. This rotation is planned; the Admiral Grigorovich escorted the Admiral Kuznetsov [aircraft carrier], and is now back," he said. "Admiral Grigorovich is quite an effective ship; we have already attacked militants from its deck. Thus, this is not so much about the moral support for the Syrian armed forces in the fight against terrorists, as it is about fire cover," he elaborated.
The Black Sea Fleet frigate returned to the Russian Navy's permanent group in the Mediterranean Sea after taking part in bilateral Russian-Turkish exercises during an unofficial visit by the Turkish warships to Russia’s southern port of Novorossiysk, Black Sea Fleet spokesman Сapt. 1st Rank Vyacheslav Trukhachev said.
Khamenei Calls US Missile Strike Against Syrian Airfield 'Strategic Mistake'
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704101052475122-iran-leader-usa-strike-mistake/
What Americans did was a strategic mistake, and they are repeating the same mistakes done by their predecessors,” Khamenei said at a meeting with senior Iranian Armed Forces commanders in Tehran, as quoted by the Fars news agency.
He also accused the United States of supporting terrorism in the region.
“Former US officials created ISIL [Daesh] or helped it, and present officials are reinvigorating ISIL and similar groups,” Khamenei said.
SocietyoftheSpectacle
Jedi Master
This guy seems OK,
A pleasure to listen to someone speaking sense and truth,
https://youtu.be/xwUlU4YQo0c
A pleasure to listen to someone speaking sense and truth,
https://youtu.be/xwUlU4YQo0c
