Trump orders attack on Syria, asks for other countries to join him.

Here is an excerpt of UN ambassador Nikki Halley's speech delivered during the last UN security council:

"We are prepared to do more, but we hope that will not be necessary, The United States will not stand by when chemical weapons are used. It is in our vital national security interest to prevent the spread and use of chemical weapons."

It sounds like the US is not planning any further attack yet and wants to implement a proportionate strategy where the US will strike only in retaliation to obvious provocation/crimes, particularly use of chemical weapons.

Of course, these are only words and we will see if actions conform to them. Also, the warhawks now know how to trigger US strikes: just blame the Assad regime for further use of chemical weapons.
 
Apparently the new airstrike happend:

BREAKING: New US airstrike kills 20 civilians near Raqqa

The US has bombed the town of Hanedah in the western Raqqa countryside.

Al-Masdar news have named the 20 Syrian civilian victims, including children.

Aboud Al-Share and his two sons.

Ibrahim Muhammad and his son.

Yaseen Huwidy and his son.

Hamoud Al-Aani.

Fouwaz Al-Aani.

Ahmad Al-Muhammad.

Abd Al-Baset Al-Muhammad.

Majd Al-Yaseen.

BREAKING: US airstrike kills 20 civilians, injures dozens in Raqqa countryside

BEIRUT, LEBANON (3:00 P.M.) – A US airstrike in Raqqa countryside has killed a plethora of civilians and injured dozens more.

The airstrike devastated an internet coffee shop in Hanedah town in western Raqqa countryside. The airstrike killed more than 20 civilians and injured dozens more.


This tragedy comes as the United States launched devastating missile strikes against the Syrian military after it alleged the Syrian government used chemical weapons against its own civilians.

The allegation was debunked, however, US President Donald Trump still decided to launch dozens of Tomahawk missiles at the Sharyat Airbase in Homs countryside, killing Syrian soldiers and ruining 15 Syrian jets used to bomb ISIS.

The resulting attack led to ISIS forces in the eastern countryside of the Homs Governorate to launch a powerful offensive yesterday morning, a local military source informed Al-Masdar.

RT 'confirmed' just now:

Suspected US-led coalition air strike kills at least 10 civilians west of Raqqa – reports

At least 10 civilians have been killed in a Syrian village near the city of Raqqa, in an alleged air strike by the US-led coalition, Syrian media report.
The strike targeted a village to the west of Raqqa, SANA news agency reports. The attack caused casualties among the civilian population, SANA said, citing its local sources.

The alleged air strike and the same number of casualties was also reported by Syrian Tishreen newspaper, citing its sources.

Washington and its allies have been carrying out air strikes near Raqqa to provide support for the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces fighting Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).

In late March, there were reports coming both from coalition members and Syrian forces fighting on the ground that an offensive to liberate the city of Raqqa, dubbed the IS capital in Syria, could soon be launched.

The Russian Defense Ministry, however, warned that liberating the jihadists’ stronghold would “not be easy” for the international coalition, adding that the success of the operation depended on more coordinated actions with all forces fighting against the terrorists in Syria.
 
Did anyone else notice what movie and scene was playing next to Trump on Thursday aboard Air Force One during the press interview about Syria before he launched the attack? I did and thought it was strange and perhaps an unintentional symbolic sign of his submission to the dark powers of the Deep State. The scene was from the latest Star Wars movie Rouge One depicting a servant kneeling before Darth Vader who is hidden behind steam in his meditation chamber. It gave me a an eerie feeling FWIW.
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_http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/07/donald-trump-watched-star-wars-before-deciding-to-bomb-syria-6559801/
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/06/donald-trump-pictured-next-darth-vader-air-force-one/
 
It doesn't sound like the Russians think this was just a strike for show.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-us-air-strikes-syria-russia-within-inch-military-clash-war-dmitry-medvedev-prime-minister-a7672791.html

Russia says US air strikes in Syria came 'within an inch' of military clash with their forces

Satellite imagery suggests the base that was struck is home to Russian special forces and military helicopters

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has said the US air strike on a Syrian air base came “within an inch” of militarily clashing with their forces.

He said the action taken by the Americans was in breach of international law and their own internal procedures, and accused Washington of “barely avoiding combat clashes with Russia”.

In a post on Facebook, Mr Medvedev said the air strike had "completely ruined relations" between the two superpowers.

However, the US says it warned Russia one hour before it fired 59 tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat air base.

Satellite imagery suggests the base that was struck is home to Russian special forces and military helicopters, part of the Kremlin's effort to help the Syrian government fight Islamic State and other militant groups.

No Russian personnel were caught up in the strike.

Syrian state media has claimed that a US missile attack on a government air base has killed seven people, including four children.

Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said the strike deliberately avoided sections of the base where the Russians were believed to be present.

Briefing reporters on the operation, he said the US military had "multiple" conversations with Russian forces on Thursday before the strike, using a line of communication that had previously been established to prevent an accidental clash in Syria during the fight against Isis.

Mr Medvedev's statement in full:

"That’s it. The last remaining election fog has lifted. Instead of an overworked statement about a joint fight against the biggest enemy, Isis (the Islamic State), the Trump administration proved that it will fiercely fight the legitimate Syrian government, in a tough contradiction with international law and without UN approval, in violation of its own procedures stipulating that the Congress must first be notified of any military operation unrelated to aggression against the US. On the verge of a military clash with Russia.

"Nobody is overestimating the value of pre-election promises but there must be limits of decency.

"Beyond that is absolute mistrust. Which is really sad for our now completely ruined relations. And which is good news for terrorists.

"One more thing. This military action is a clear indication of the US President’s extreme dependency on the opinion of the Washington establishment, the one that the new president strongly criticised in his inauguration speech.

"Soon after his victory, I noted that everything would depend on how soon Trump’s election promises would be broken by the existing power machine. It took only two and a half months."
 
seeker2seer said:
Did anyone else notice what movie and scene was playing next to Trump on Thursday aboard Air Force One during the press interview about Syria before he launched the attack? I did and thought it was strange and perhaps an unintentional symbolic sign of his submission to the dark powers of the Deep State. The scene was from the latest Star Wars movie Rouge One depicting a servant kneeling before Darth Vader who is hidden behind steam in his meditation chamber. It gave me a an eerie feeling FWIW.
_http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/07/donald-trump-watched-star-wars-before-deciding-to-bomb-syria-6559801/
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/06/donald-trump-pictured-next-darth-vader-air-force-one/

Either that or he has no control over the military. Either way it seems to be very bad news. Eerie feeling indeed!
 
seeker2seer said:
Did anyone else notice what movie and scene was playing next to Trump on Thursday aboard Air Force One during the press interview about Syria before he launched the attack? I did and thought it was strange and perhaps an unintentional symbolic sign of his submission to the dark powers of the Deep State. The scene was from the latest Star Wars movie Rouge One depicting a servant kneeling before Darth Vader who is hidden behind steam in his meditation chamber. It gave me a an eerie feeling FWIW.
pri_35742314.jpg

_http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/07/donald-trump-watched-star-wars-before-deciding-to-bomb-syria-6559801/
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/06/donald-trump-pictured-next-darth-vader-air-force-one/

Talk about symbolism :shock: :scared:
 
With news of the new airstrike by the US near Raqqa - I think all bets are now off; and as Laura mentioned this could possibly be the start of a showdown between the Deep State and Putin.

It is going to be a very difficult decision making time for Putin now. I doubt he would want to sacrifice Assad, and allow the US to intervene and balkanize Syria; however what alternative is there to preventing WW3 ? If more strikes are forthcoming, and if the S400s/300s are activated as air defenses, this would fall right into the hands of the Neocons baying for an escalation.

One way would be to do nothing, and allow more cruise missile bombings to continue...but then what if its escalated into an air campaign and the Russians are threatened to stand down to allow US aircraft to operate. I doubt they will, but what are the alternatives when you are dealing with psycho Neocon's as Windmill Knight mentioned. It really feels like a proper Mexican standoff now....and I hope im wrong on this, and Putin and his team have a strategy to manage this. Somehow I feel the next move by either party will be the critical one...and as the C's mentioned "Who is more clever?"
 
The more i think about it the more it seems logical that the ''irresistible force vs immovable object'' is russia/putin vs pathocrats.I mean,I don't think that anybody here actually expected him to MAGA,but I'm shocked at how quickly he cracked.Considering the irresistible ponerising influence the pathocrats have,I suppose one shouldn't too be surprised (Tha Don wasn't all that magnificent,just an alternative to Hitlery).And seeing as russia has stood through all the previous attempts to destroy it (not just the more recent ones,but I'm talking about 1000 years of history) you have your immovable object.

Cassies did mention that Russia is keeping a close eye on things and that the pathocrats are driven ever more to destruction due to the approach of the wave,it's just a matter of who flinches first.I guess the consolation is that,no matter who wins,nothing can stop the re-balancing.
 
Another thought that occured,is that as Laura mentioned before,Trump may bring the destruction upon america instead of the entire world.
 
Hindsight Man said:
The more i think about it the more it seems logical that the ''irresistible force vs immovable object'' is russia/putin vs pathocrats.I mean,I don't think that anybody here actually expected him to MAGA,but I'm shocked at how quickly he cracked.Considering the irresistible ponerising influence the pathocrats have,I suppose one shouldn't too be surprised (Tha Don wasn't all that magnificent,just an alternative to Hitlery).And seeing as russia has stood through all the previous attempts to destroy it (not just the more recent ones,but I'm talking about 1000 years of history) you have your immovable object.

Cassies did mention that Russia is keeping a close eye on things and that the pathocrats are driven ever more to destruction due to the approach of the wave,it's just a matter of who flinches first.I guess the consolation is that,no matter who wins,nothing can stop the re-balancing.

That was my thought as well. After the session I assumed that Trump was somehow the immovable force but that's quickly proven to not be the case. Let's hope the bear stays firm.
 
bjorn said:
seeker2seer said:
Did anyone else notice what movie and scene was playing next to Trump on Thursday aboard Air Force One during the press interview about Syria before he launched the attack? I did and thought it was strange and perhaps an unintentional symbolic sign of his submission to the dark powers of the Deep State. The scene was from the latest Star Wars movie Rouge One depicting a servant kneeling before Darth Vader who is hidden behind steam in his meditation chamber. It gave me a an eerie feeling FWIW.
pri_35742314.jpg

_http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/07/donald-trump-watched-star-wars-before-deciding-to-bomb-syria-6559801/
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/06/donald-trump-pictured-next-darth-vader-air-force-one/
Talk about symbolism :shock: :scared:
The more I think about it the more it looks that this could be something, but also sound like a too stretched thing. I just watched this scene in "Rouge One" and their dialog goes like this:

Lord Vader: "Director Krennic."
Krennic: "Lord Vader."
Lord Vader:"You seem disturbingly."
Krennic: "No, I'm just pressed with time. I have many thing to attend to."
Lord Vader: "My apologize. (cynically) You do have a many things to explain."
Krennic: "I deliver the weapon that the Emperor has requested."

Trump did 'delivered' the weapon and killed already many people, which still could be 'better' than much more (regarding the fact that many bombs didn't hit the target). Symbolic, indeed.
 
Altair said:
Windmill knight said:
Personally, I think he was "made an offer he could not refuse". You better take back what you said about not going after Assad, or else you or your family go Kennedy's way! (for example) So he tried, but they got him in the pocket already.

I agree with this view. US couldn't allow themselves to go into direct confrontation with Russia for obvious reasons. That's why they probably noticed Russia about the coming attack (which was officially confirmed by Dmitry Peskov, Russian spokesman). Russia could have intercepted the missiles but didn't because of the Air Safety Agreement with US. But what Russia could have done and probably did is to use its radio-electronic weapons to divert the missiles from their targets. This kind of action is not easily trackable compared to direct interception by S-300/S-400. Additionally, these kind of missiles is not very precise per se (as we know from the conflict in Kosovo in 1999) though they are guided by GPS. Maybe that's why so few missiles hit their targets.

Interesting thought, and it makes a lot of sense. There's been no news of other areas in Syria being hit with these 1000 pound bombs, so what happened to them?! This seems to suggest that Russia may very well have intercepted the missing missiles in some way, perhaps in the manner described.
 
Windmill knight said:
It doesn't sound like the Russians think this was just a strike for show.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-us-air-strikes-syria-russia-within-inch-military-clash-war-dmitry-medvedev-prime-minister-a7672791.html

Russia says US air strikes in Syria came 'within an inch' of military clash with their forces

Satellite imagery suggests the base that was struck is home to Russian special forces and military helicopters

[...]

In a post on Facebook, Mr Medvedev said the air strike had "completely ruined relations" between the two superpowers.

However, the US says it warned Russia one hour before it fired 59 tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat air base.

Satellite imagery suggests the base that was struck is home to Russian special forces and military helicopters, part of the Kremlin's effort to help the Syrian government fight Islamic State and other militant groups.

No Russian personnel were caught up in the strike.

[..]

Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said the strike deliberately avoided sections of the base where the Russians were believed to be present.

Briefing reporters on the operation, he said the US military had "multiple" conversations with Russian forces on Thursday before the strike, using a line of communication that had previously been established to prevent an accidental clash in Syria during the fight against Isis.
[..]

The above sentences remind me of "a controlled burn" like when firemen are faced with an out-of-control fire in a forest ... and dig a trench around the perimeter and deliberately start a fire beyond the trench, to feed it's way towards the inferno, as a neutralizing counter measure.. Fighting fire with fire.

If the information is valid, Trump was in contact with his Russian counter parts before the strike like a controlled burn? It was not a surprise strike US military had "multiple" conversations with Russian forces on Thursday before the strike so was pre-mediated - giving Russia ample warning to clear the intended target (base) and remove any personnel. No Russian personnel were caught up in the strike. The target was a base home to Russian special forces and military helicopters.

I guess, the point I'm trying to make - is that both Russia and U.S. were in direct contact prior to the incident. Russia knew "time and place" and who was behind the strike - before it happened? Directly after the U.S. bombed the base, reports surfaced stating Trump didn't plan on further strikes, although the option was open? This incident created grounds for Russia to break a Treaty/Contract involving Syria with the Pentagon. Was this the intended purpose behind the strikes on the airbase?
 
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