'V' the series to begin on ABC

[Argonaut]

In the last couple of episodes there has been an interesting development: the V leader, Anna, wants to find out who are "5th column" rebels, and the way she tests for it is to do an emotional response study. Basically, when she is exposed to horrific images, she shows no emotion. They then recorded her response as "baseline", and then compare everyone elses. Anyone who shows emotions, or compassion and empathy, are executed. In a sense it's the psychopath-test that was done on Sam Vaknin in "I, Psychopath", but the results are used in reverse (psycho=good,empathic=bad).

I found this interesting too. There's also the issue of the "Bliss" programming that Anna uses on the rest of the visitors:

Bliss is a feeling of euphoria provided by Anna to the Visitors on board the New York Mothership. It is not clear whether it is a purely telepathic, or purely technological phenomenon, though Visitor technology has been shown to be able to manipulate the mind before (interrogation technology, etc.). The "bliss" is achieved by Anna standing naked in a special room on her mothership (surrounded by seems to be technology that transmits the effect). The euphoric effect is accompanied by Anna's voice saying encouraging things. Bliss can be felt by every Visitor on Earth, not through any special contact but simply as they are walking around. It extends to all Visitors not only on the motherships but also the infiltrators and spies hidden in the human population.

According to Ryan, the effect of the Bliss is essentially a drug that Anna uses to control the Visitors, leaving her followers as no better than junkies looking for another fix. The Bliss signal is apparently involuntarily broadcast to every Visitor: even Joshua, a prominent Fifth Column member, is seen to be affected by the Bliss signal, though he struggles to not give in to it.

http://v.wikia.com/wiki/Bliss

This indicates that the V's as a whole would feel empathy and emotion, if not for the programming. So it seems that the "rebel" V's aren't the anomaly - Anna is. But she's imposing her own nature onto the others artificially. Ponerizing them, more or less.

 

[JEEP]

According to Ryan, the effect of the Bliss is essentially a drug that Anna uses to control the Visitors, leaving her followers as no better than junkies looking for another fix. The Bliss signal is apparently involuntarily broadcast to every Visitor: even Joshua, a prominent Fifth Column member, is seen to be affected by the Bliss signal, though he struggles to not give in to it.

I'm wondering if the message is, love conquers all? Ryan and the original rebel, John May, were both 'converted' due to human women they were attracted to and Anna's daughter Lisa appears to be following suit, having developed 'feelings' from her association with Tyler. I was disturbed, though, that the supposed 'good guys' decided that torture was justified and the obvious message that sends.

 

[Argonaut]

I'm wondering if the message is, love conquers all? Ryan and the original rebel, John May, were both 'converted' due to human women they were attracted to and Anna's daughter Lisa appears to be following suit, having developed 'feelings' from her association with Tyler.

It seems to be. If a visitor starts to care about a particular human, it apparently breaks down the programming.

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I was disturbed, though, that the supposed 'good guys' decided that torture was justified and the obvious message that sends.
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Same here. But since Hobbes was the only one really "into it" while the others were very disturbed, the story may be going in an anti-torture direction. Hobbes is generally presented as a guy who goes too far; he also lacks empathy. Jack and Erica cooperated with Hobbes's methods, but it was clear that they were betraying their own consciences by doing it. Since a huge theme of the show is empathy/emotion vs. lack of same, the group may come to realize that they and Hobbes aren't colinear. Still, I can see how a take-home message might be "in war you do what's necessary." Or "the end justifies the means." Especially in the eyes of the typical American viewer.

 

[mkrnhr]

The daughter of Anna (the reptile queen) is playing strategic enclosure, as well as the medicine adviser ;)

 

[Argonaut]

The daughter of Anna (the reptile queen) is playing strategic enclosure, as well as the medicine adviser ;)

True. All of those involved in the resistance are. Technically so are Anna and the V's, except with reverse motives. Hm... I actually didn't think about that until just now - strategic enclosure can go both ways. The psychopaths and 4D STS are using it too!

 

[Aidylsun B.]

I don't watch a lot of TV, especially weekly series but "V" is the exception. It has everything that makes a good show, including the special effects. I even think the writing is good - maybe a little bit too good.

 

[Nook]

Bliss is a feeling of euphoria provided by Anna to the Visitors on board the New York Mothership. It is not clear whether it is a purely telepathic, or purely technological phenomenon, though Visitor technology has been shown to be able to manipulate the mind before (interrogation technology, etc.). The "bliss" is achieved by Anna standing naked in a special room on her mothership (surrounded by seems to be technology that transmits the effect). The euphoric effect is accompanied by Anna's voice saying encouraging things. Bliss can be felt by every Visitor on Earth, not through any special contact but simply as they are walking around. It extends to all Visitors not only on the motherships but also the infiltrators and spies hidden in the human population.

http://v.wikia.com/wiki/Bliss

This indicates that the V's as a whole would feel empathy and emotion, if not for the programming. So it seems that the "rebel" V's aren't the anomaly - Anna is. But she's imposing her own nature onto the others artificially. Ponerizing them, more or less.

I think this Wiki quote might not be accurate. Because it does not extend to every V even outside the ships. Ryan, who is a V did not hear it, he did not have to deal with it.

I think it's areally good show and although I liked it in the beginning I really started paying attention to it and watching it on a regular basis when we found out that the V's are in control of our vaccines.

 

[mkrnhr]

The last episode (10) is interresting because it deals with media control and how a resistance group has been trapped and labbeled as a terrorist organization. Sounds familiar but humans in our reality are more vicious than the Vs in the movie ;)

 

[Nook]

The last episode (10) is interresting because it deals with media control and how a resistance group has been trapped and labbeled as a terrorist organization. Sounds familiar but humans in our reality are more vicious than the Vs in the movie ;)

Indeed they are more vicious. But the show imo is becoming more and more interesting as it unfolds. I can't compare it to the original, not having seen it but I would like to actually. Especially after a remake like this!

 

[un chien anadolu]

The last episode (10) is interresting because it deals with media control and how a resistance group has been trapped and labbeled as a terrorist organization. Sounds familiar but humans in our reality are more vicious than the Vs in the movie ;)

Yes but the Visitors are weak and far from representing the 4D Lizzies, IMO. They can't even communicate via telepathy between themselves. In the last episode, while Anna was giving a speech to the newcomers to the ship his deputy was running in a hurry to tell her some bad news. Then he told her the bad news and she got disappointed. I found this very funny. They are only more advanced (from humans) in technology but not spiritual awareness. So they are representing mostly the 3D secret government so to speak. Quite disinfo IMO.

 

[Jacques]

Sounds familiar but humans in our reality are more vicious than the Vs in the movie ;)

Hum... Not sure of that. I would rather say that the Vs are at least as vicious as the human but more subtle/wise.

 

[Ares]

V: The TV Series

i couldn't find an existing post for this so started a new one.

has anyone watched the tv series called simply, "V"? Being a sci-fi & horror buff, I find this series the closest in terms of the message the Cs have been trying to tell us: The aliens are already here and they are NOT here to save us. There are seem to be many underlying themes in the story that are allegories/metaphor for some of the ideas discussed in this forum. I've personally watched 3 episodes to far, the story is very engaging.

Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series)

V is an American science fiction television series first broadcast on ABC on November 3, 2009. A re-imagining of the 1983 miniseries created by Kenneth Johnson, the new series chronicles the arrival on Earth of a technologically advanced alien species which ostensibly comes in peace, but actually has sinister motives.
...Giant spaceships appear over 29 major cities throughout the world, and Anna (Morena Baccarin), the beautiful and charismatic leader of the extraterrestrial "Visitors", declares that they come in peace. The Visitors claim to only need a small amount of Earth's resources, in exchange for which they will share their advanced technological and medical knowledge. As a small number of humans begin to doubt the sincerity of the seemingly benevolent Visitors, FBI counter-terrorism agent Erica Evans (Elizabeth Mitchell) discovers that the aliens have spent decades infiltrating human governments, businesses, and religious institutions and are now in the final stages of their plan to take over the Earth. Erica joins the resistance movement, which includes Ryan (Morris Chestnut), a Visitor sleeper agent who over time developed human emotions and now wants to save humanity. Their rebellion is further challenged as the Visitors have won favor among the people of Earth by curing a variety of diseases, and have recruited Earth's youth — including Erica's son Tyler (Logan Huffman) — to serve them unknowingly as spies...

the series does seems to take the Vs as a 3D exterrestrial race, and I couldnt find any reference to hyperdimensional origins. Interesting how as we approach the theorized coming of the wave, movies and tv shows are becoming more and more explicit with the theme of deceitful aliens and their hidden agenda. I'll have to watch more episodes to check if there are any clever disinformative concepts hidden, but going by the pilot episode it seems to be a good show to watch in general.

 

[Vulcan59]

Hi moksha,

There was a topic on it and I've merged them. :)

 

[Ares]

Hi moksha,

There was a topic on it and I've merged them. :)

oops, sorry spock

 

[Gaby]

My favorite quote from the old movie "V":

“My Dear Family,
It is painful knowing that I’ll not see your faces anymore. I must take a stand for what I know is right. You may think that an old man wouldn’t be afraid to die, but this old man is very frightened. [...] So far, I am as frightened as a child who fears the dark.
But we must fight this darkness that is threatening to engulf us. Each of us must be a ray of hope and do our part and join with the others until we become a blinding light, triumphant over darkness. Until that task is accomplished, life will have no meaning.
More than anything, you must remember always which side you are on and fight for it - [We] have to, or we won’t have learned a thing.”