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manitoban said:
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Aragorn said:
On the other hand, the most loud bullies are more or less pathological, so debating with them, and showing your true colors would not be wise, I guess.
Yes. Arguing with someone and trying to get them to see the light only leads to people clinging even more strongly to their beliefs. Needing to shout your beliefs in peoples' faces only reveals the shakiness of your beliefs and your own insecurity. So not getting drawn into a public debate can be a wise move. What you share with close, personal friends and family who know what you know is another story.
I agree. I've found the bottom line is that they simply do not want to know, and no evidence you could provide would change their views. I tend to keep a low profile regarding my son's vaccination status, as there is no need to provoke attack from the pro vaxxers, who absolutely won't listen to reason anyway.


I too, have been disappointed in friends who I had thought would know better, but it really is a good litmus test! On the other hand a few people I would never have expected to have actually surprised me by seeing the light. It seems to me that at the moment there is obviously a big push going on for mandatory vaccinations, YET at the same time, the info of the dangers of vaccines is also slowly but steadily coming out, hence the desperate push to enforce them legally.
Same here. I know people who have children injured by vaccines, but they are still vaccinating their kids. Their answer is that it's better to be protected by vaccine from some deadly disease than to live them without any protection. And yes they know the risks of vaccines and they know how their kid was harmed by them but they are afraid to not vaccinate the kid because every single media and health workers here is talking how vaccines are protecting, and who are we to argue with the doctors who have studied that matter .

They don't believe their own mind, their own reasoning. Since doctor said its ok then it must be ok, no matter that all the pieces of evidence in front their eyes say it's the opposite.
Also, the most shocking is that I have a friend who is a doctor and have suffered a vaccine injury by himself , and he is working with a vaccine, he is vaccinating children.
There are a lot of verbal fights between pro and anti vaccers here in Macedonia and its just a pointless arguing. Yes, the awareness about the danger from vaccines is raising , but its very slow and on the other side the authorities are introducing so-called new and purified vaccines ( polyvalent ) , so the parents can finally relax and vaccinate their kids with the " good" vaccine. And it is working for them.

So, its best to not trying to expose your information loud in public. Many people are not prepared for the truth. I have felt that on my own skin. They will attack you without any real argument, so its pointless to argue with some provaccers about that subject.
 

aragorn

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The lucky thing in all this is that it seems like the authorities are reluctant to make vaccinations mandatory, mainly for two reasons:

1) Liability. As long as there's an element of choosing, the liability for consequences is less. I don't know the exact legal details for this. If vaccines would be forced to everyone, those administering them would be accountable to a higher degree than they are now.

2) They know vaccines aren't effective. With mandatory vaccinations it would become all too clear how ineffective they are. As long as there are unvaccinated individuals, it's convinient to blame any outbreak of disease (that they vaccinate against) on them.
 

Odyssey

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Aragorn said:
1) Liability. As long as there's an element of choosing, the liability for consequences is less. I don't know the exact legal details for this. If vaccines would be forced to everyone, those administering them would be accountable to a higher degree than they are now.
I don't know how it is in the EU but in the US vaccine manufacturers have immunity from lawsuits claiming damage. There is a special court where families can receive compensation from the government (only up to $250K for deaths, less for injury) but they can't directly sue a vaccine company. I haven't heard of anyone suing a doctor or nurse over a vaccine injury but I doubt that the case would go very far since vaccines are accepted as safe and any ill effects are seen as rare occurrences.

https://www.sott.net/article/294221-Small-newspaper-reports-about-vaccine-damaged-children-receiving-financial-compensation-from-the-federal-vaccine-court
https://www.sott.net/article/177145-Vaccine-Maker-Immunity-Questioned
 

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I haven't heard of anyone suing a doctor or nurse over a vaccine injury but I doubt that the case would go very far since vaccines are accepted as safe and any ill effects are seen as rare occurrences.
I think there is a weak spot here. "Informed" consent of risks is expected for all invasive procedures. US is very litigious. If it could be documented that appropriate questions about risk were asked, and the physician lied/misinformed about the risks, then maybe a case could be made for breach of duty to provide informed consent. Kind of a big deal.
If a case goes south over failure to obtain an informed consent, it is a safe bet that there will be accurate consent forms about such risks in the future. Pediatric treatment liability extends to age 21 + 2 years.
Even for rare problems, it is the duty of the physician to make known the possibilities.
 

aragorn

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The makers of the film 'Vaxxed' take a stand at a Houston city council meeting, and it's very surprising the kind of positive response they get. Is this from a parallel universe or something, where those in power are decent? :lol:


https://youtu.be/7mv_NzSCO6U
 
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Aragorn said:
The makers of the film 'Vaxxed' take a stand at a Houston city council meeting, and it's very surprising the kind of positive response they get. Is this from a parallel universe or something, where those in power are decent? :lol:
Wow, that was unusual. However, it turns out that council member Jack Christie is a chiropractor :lol: I had to look him up to find out why in the world he would be so supportive! Thank goodness he has a day job to fall back on.
 

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Odyssey said:
Aragorn said:
The makers of the film 'Vaxxed' take a stand at a Houston city council meeting, and it's very surprising the kind of positive response they get. Is this from a parallel universe or something, where those in power are decent? :lol:
Wow, that was unusual. However, it turns out that council member Jack Christie is a chiropractor :lol: I had to look him up to find out why in the world he would be so supportive! Thank goodness he has a day job to fall back on.
:wow: That made my day, Aragorn! Thank you for sharing! :cheer:
 

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Odyssey said:
Aragorn said:
1) Liability. As long as there's an element of choosing, the liability for consequences is less. I don't know the exact legal details for this. If vaccines would be forced to everyone, those administering them would be accountable to a higher degree than they are now.
I don't know how it is in the EU but in the US vaccine manufacturers have immunity from lawsuits claiming damage. There is a special court where families can receive compensation from the government (only up to $250K for deaths, less for injury) but they can't directly sue a vaccine company. I haven't heard of anyone suing a doctor or nurse over a vaccine injury but I doubt that the case would go very far since vaccines are accepted as safe and any ill effects are seen as rare occurrences.

https://www.sott.net/article/294221-Small-newspaper-reports-about-vaccine-damaged-children-receiving-financial-compensation-from-the-federal-vaccine-court
https://www.sott.net/article/177145-Vaccine-Maker-Immunity-Questioned
FYI, I just posted about a case in the Netherlands in another thread.

Press report here: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/09/parents-whose-children-got-narcolepsy-after-swine-flu-jab-sue-dutch-state/
 
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CDC Research Concludes Vaccines Cause Food Allergies

Research conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reveals that vaccines are likely to cause food allergies.

The CDC-funded study explains why so many more people are suffering illnesses and reactions from food these days, especially children.

Thedailysheeple.com reports:

“A Clinical Analysis of Gelatin Allergy and Determination of its Causal Relationship to the Previous Administration of Gelatin-Containing Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Combined with Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids” concludes:
“Most anaphylactic reactions and some urticarial reactions to gelatin-containing measles, mumps and rubella monovalent vaccines are associated with IgE-mediated gelatin allergy. DTaP immunization histories suggest that the gelatin-containing DTaP vaccine may have a causal relationship to the development of this gelatin allergy.”
The three-year study was performed in Japan by the National Center for Biotechnology Information and the results were accepted and published by the United States National Library of Medicine and the United States National Institutes of Health.
“We reconfirmed a strong relationship between systemic immediate-type allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, to vaccines and the presence of specific IgE to gelatin.”
Currently, nine of the CDC’s vaccines contain this allergy-causing gelatin protein. They also contain other food proteins, such casein, eggs and yeast, which also cause food allergies.

This isn’t a new idea. In 1913, Nobel Prize-winning French physiologist Charles Richet discovered that any proteins which are injected into the bloodstream will result in the development of an allergy to that protein.

Vaccine injuries are so prevalent that the United States government has set up a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. As of August 2016, they have paid out around $3.4 BILLION to victims (more than the estimated cost to end world hunger).

_http://yournewswire.com/cdc-research-concludes-vaccines-cause-food-allergies/
 
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The Federal EEOC – Equal Employment Opportunity Commission – Sues Hospital Over Employees REFUSING Flu Shots: Alleges RELIGIOUS Discrimination

By Catherine J. Frompovich

Finally someone has stepped up to the plate and hit a homerun regarding constitutional rights and the current vaccine police state we live in. But, the most interesting aspect about all this is: Who is the actor hitting the homerun? It’s none other than the federal government’s Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the EEOC. Wow!

What’s the basis for the legal action in federal court in Erie, Pennsylvania? Alleged discrimination of religious rights for the firing of six hospital employees who refused flu vaccine shots!

Ironically, the suit was filed against Saint Vincent Hospital founded by the Sisters of Saint Joseph of Northwestern Pennsylvania who, in my humble opinion, should have known better than discharge their employees.

Not knowing all the facts in each respective employee’s case, I’d venture to say that the hospital also could be charged with violation of the American with Disabilities Act Amendments Act, depending upon which of the “prongs” in that act was/were involved and can apply. If there were added health issues involved, such as allergies to vaccine toxins that also can impact religious rights violations or being a cancer survivor, or another “prong(s)” per the ADAAA, then the feds have an even more ‘potent’ case against the employer, I believe.

I would encourage all employees being mandated to take flu vaccines against their rights to Informed Consent and depriving them of their philosophical or religious exemptions to take note of this court case and bring it to the attention of your legal team and your employer too.

Below is important information regarding the ADAAA’s “prongs,” which are the defining criteria in employment discrimination and, which I contend, also can be applied to other healthcare/damaging situations since there’s definitive differentiation established in federal law that now can—and should—be applied to persons who suffer with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS) and/or, especially, Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity (EHS) from exposure to Wi-Fi at work or school, both of which have been defined by the World Health Organization as “valid” health issues.

Section 1630.2(J) Substantially Limits

“Indeed, Congress anticipated that the first and second prongs of the definition of disability would “be used only by people who are affirmatively seeking reasonable accommodations * * * ”and that “[a]ny individual who has been discriminated against because of an impairment—short of being granted a reasonable accommodation * * *—should be bringing a claim under the third prong of the definition which will require no showing with regard to the severity of his or her impairment.” [1]
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Here is the article - http://bigstory.ap.org/article/647a64786f9c447181bdf9e30862216a/hospital-sued-over-firing-employees-who-refused-flu-shots - about the law suit and the six employees who refused the flu vaccine that caused the feds to sue the employer alleging discrimination of religious rights regarding forced vaccinations.

It’s time to take back our God-given rights as human beings!

This 34-minute video of my conversation with two attorneys and Dr Rima Laibow, MD, about how our rights to Informed Consent are being deprived in the new CDC Rulemaking ought to shed more light and concern on what’s going on in the USA about turning the country into a medical gulag.


https://youtu.be/7HBuHmUiXi0

_http://www.naturalblaze.com/2016/09/the-federal-eeoc-equal-employment-opportunity-commission-sues-hospital-over-employees-refusing-flu-shots-alleges-religious-discrimination.html
 

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I find Dr. Suzanne Humphries' lectures really interesting on vaccines. She gave up her medical profession as a nephrologist (kidney specialist), when she noticed a few patients who had been perfectly healthy had required dialysis after receiving certain vaccines. So she decided to investigate for herself, rather than simply believe that 'vaccines are safe and effective' as she had been taught in medical school. She has since given up her medical practice to research and inform people of the severe harm and dangers from vaccines. Many of her lectures can be found on YouTube, and they are all well worth a listen.


https://youtu.be/XUORtLSg19E
 
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hlat

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JEEP said:
The Federal EEOC – Equal Employment Opportunity Commission – Sues Hospital Over Employees REFUSING Flu Shots: Alleges RELIGIOUS Discrimination

By Catherine J. Frompovich

Finally someone has stepped up to the plate and hit a homerun regarding constitutional rights and the current vaccine police state we live in. But, the most interesting aspect about all this is: Who is the actor hitting the homerun? It’s none other than the federal government’s Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the EEOC. Wow!

What’s the basis for the legal action in federal court in Erie, Pennsylvania? Alleged discrimination of religious rights for the firing of six hospital employees who refused flu vaccine shots!

Ironically, the suit was filed against Saint Vincent Hospital founded by the Sisters of Saint Joseph of Northwestern Pennsylvania who, in my humble opinion, should have known better than discharge their employees.
This lawsuit by the EEOC is a beginning step, not the end. It's too early to call it a home run. If the vaccine and pharmaceutical companies don't like the lawsuit, they can put an end to it through the puppets they control in the federal government, because the EEOC is just a federal agency.

The employees who were fired could have kept their jobs by finding a doctor to sign a medical exemption. California school children can take the same route.
 

aragorn

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The documentary 'Vaxxed' is now available for purchase on DVD. Unfortunately thus far in Canada and US only. I hope they get international distribution soon.

http://vaxxedthemovie.com/dvd/
 

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Aragorn said:
The documentary 'Vaxxed' is now available for purchase on DVD. Unfortunately thus far in Canada and US only. I hope they get international distribution soon.

http://vaxxedthemovie.com/dvd/
Great, thanks! And hope it goes international soon also.

Just caught the Jack Christie responses - good for him, and for any others like him who are ready to speak out, you are not alone.
 

ellaya

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In my case, I had to find out the truth about vaccines the hard way ! That was five years ago when my son was given the MMR vaccine. He was 3 yrs old at the time. He is a breast-fed child, and he never had any infections in the past. Ten days after the vaccine, all hell broke loose !!!

He developed severe infections in his throat and left ear that would not go away completely with antibiotics. We spent a year and half going back and forth between doctors and hospitals. Until he finally stopped responding to the antibiotics .

Later on we managed to find a decent doctor that helped us solve his situation, ofcourse he had to be hospitalized first to control the infections, then again to have his adenoids and tonsils removed. Even then it took a while for his condition to improve. I stopped vaccinating him ever since !

Strangely, about a year ago my husband was told that vaccines ( here in Kuwait ) was only given to the public , and that members of the ruling family don't get vaccinated ! I can't verify this information yet, but it was shocking to hear that at the time.
 
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