Vaccines

3DStudent

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ellaya said:
In my case, I had to find out the truth about vaccines the hard way ! That was five years ago when my son was given the MMR vaccine. He was 3 yrs old at the time. He is a breast-fed child, and he never had any infections in the past. Ten days after the vaccine, all hell broke loose !!!

He developed severe infections in his throat and left ear that would not go away completely with antibiotics. We spent a year and half going back and forth between doctors and hospitals. Until he finally stopped responding to the antibiotics .

Later on we managed to find a decent doctor that helped us solve his situation, ofcourse he had to be hospitalized first to control the infections, then again to have his adenoids and tonsils removed. Even then it took a while for his condition to improve. I stopped vaccinating him ever since !
Hmm, that's interesting. When I was a kid I had a lot of ear and throat infections. And I had to get my tonsils and adenoids removed. I might look into when I got the MMR and other vaccinations. Thanks for sharing and I hope your son is doing well. :)
 

Charade

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I been folllowing all the recent vaccine information that is being presented because I have a 2 1/2 year old granddaughter that lives in California where, as we here are well aware of, vaccines are mandatory. I just wanted to express a heartfelt thank you to all contributors for the sources and, particularly, the videos linked on the forum. I have been able to pass these along to my daughter. It is my hope that watching, reading and sharing this kind of content will give her the knowledge of facts that help her stand against and circumvent the potential harm that could be inflicted on her child just because of her geographic locale. Perhaps she will be a positive influence in her group of friends as well who may not take the time to question. I am realizing after going through these articles and videos that the knowledge and understanding gives one a sense of strength and possible HOPE for a better choice in life and a better future brought on by a better understanding.

Thank you all for your helpful efforts.
 

hlat

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Charade said:
I been folllowing all the recent vaccine information that is being presented because I have a 2 1/2 year old granddaughter that lives in California where, as we here are well aware of, vaccines are mandatory.
In California, school children can avoid vaccines by getting a medical exemption from a doctor. There are several doctors who will provide the medical exemption. Vaccines are not mandatory for home schooled children. Also, as I understand it, vaccines are not mandatory in grades 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. The vaccine law requires schools to check at kindergarten and 7th grade. As I understand it, enrolling kindergarten itself is not mandatory, so I wonder what is to keep a parent from just keeping the kids home until 1st grade. Of course, the best route is to get that medical exemption.
 

dugdeep

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hlat said:
Charade said:
I been folllowing all the recent vaccine information that is being presented because I have a 2 1/2 year old granddaughter that lives in California where, as we here are well aware of, vaccines are mandatory.
In California, school children can avoid vaccines by getting a medical exemption from a doctor. There are several doctors who will provide the medical exemption. Vaccines are not mandatory for home schooled children. Also, as I understand it, vaccines are not mandatory in grades 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. The vaccine law requires schools to check at kindergarten and 7th grade. As I understand it, enrolling kindergarten itself is not mandatory, so I wonder what is to keep a parent from just keeping the kids home until 1st grade. Of course, the best route is to get that medical exemption.
While a medical exemption is theoretically still possible, doctors who grant them are currently under attack by the California Medical Board, being brought up on charges of "gross negligence" in the case of Dr. Bob Sears, whose current fight with the board is garnering a great deal of attention at the moment. See Vaccine State USA: Mandatory vaccinations are here - California law requires total compliance
 

hlat

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dugdeep said:
While a medical exemption is theoretically still possible, doctors who grant them are currently under attack by the California Medical Board, being brought up on charges of "gross negligence" in the case of Dr. Bob Sears, whose current fight with the board is garnering a great deal of attention at the moment. See Vaccine State USA: Mandatory vaccinations are here - California law requires total compliance
Bob Sears license discipline proceeding

Licensing information from the California Department of Consumer Affairs
_https://www.breeze.ca.gov/datamart/detailsCADCA.do?selector=false&selectorType=&selectorReturnUrl=&anchor=68f6161.3.1

Status of the disciplinary proceeding
_https://www.breeze.ca.gov/datamart/publicRecordDetailsCADCA.do?tableid=1502&lictyp=8002&licid=850864&licNumber=60936&rank=A&desc=Administrative%20Disciplinary%20Actions&recordid=26262499&from=/details&name=SEARS%2C+ROBERT+WILLIAM&licTypeDesc=Physician+and+Surgeon+A

Documents of disciplinary proceeding
_http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/BreezePDL/default.aspx?licenseType=A&licenseNumber=60936&name=SEARS,%20ROBERT%20WILLIAM

Disciplinary document formally initiating case (Accusation)
_http://www2.mbc.ca.gov/BreezePDL/document.aspx?path=%5cDIDOCS%5c20160909%5cDMRAAAFC12%5c&did=AAAFC160909210940460.DID&licenseType=A&licenseNumber=60936#page=1

Attorneys who worked for the California Department of Justice represent the Medical Board of California. The attorneys wrote the Accusation, most likely Trina Saunders since she is the last attorney listed on the first page of the Accusation.

I find it interesting that the Accusation uses Paragraph 17 as the standard of care. Basically, DOJ attorneys have played their hand with Paragraph 17. Now, California doctors can do what Paragraph 17 says, and they will have a complete defense against vaccine exemption negligence claims.

Paragraph 17, page 5, line 14 of Accusation.
The standard of care requires that a physician evaluating a patient for a possible reaction to vaccines obtain a detailed history of the vaccines previously received as well as the reaction/reactions that occurred. Based on that information the physician should provide an evidence-based recommendation for future immunization.
The hearing for this disciplinary proceeding will be held either in Los Angeles or San Diego, at either one of those courtrooms for the Office of Administrative Hearings. Most likely the hearing will not be held until 2017, and after the hearing it will likely be a couple months before an administrative decision is finalized, and even after that Sears can appeal to the regular courts.

I don't think this case will lead to revocation of Sears' medical license, meaning that he will likely still be a licensed doctor and California parents can continue seeing him to get a medical exemption for their children.
 

dugdeep

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hlat said:
I don't think this case will lead to revocation of Sears' medical license, meaning that he will likely still be a licensed doctor and California parents can continue seeing him to get a medical exemption for their children.
But how quick is a doctor going to grant a medical exemption after the rigmarole Sears is being put through, regardless of the outcome? The point is that it is an attack on a doctor who was acting out of conscience after being told one of his patients had a negative reaction to a previous vaccine. These actions make it more difficult to grant an exemption, knowing the consequences of not crossing all your t's or dotting all your i's. Even though they're technically still allowed, I'm willing to bet you'd be more likely to get struck by lightening twice than get a medical exemption for vaccines in the state of California in the near future.

More on the Sears case - https://www.sott.net/article/329903-Vaccine-safety-is-a-concern-Doctors-disagree-with-charges-against-Dr-Bob-Sears
 

Erykah

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dugdeep said:
hlat said:
I don't think this case will lead to revocation of Sears' medical license, meaning that he will likely still be a licensed doctor and California parents can continue seeing him to get a medical exemption for their children.
But how quick is a doctor going to grant a medical exemption after the rigmarole Sears is being put through, regardless of the outcome? The point is that it is an attack on a doctor who was acting out of conscience after being told one of his patients had a negative reaction to a previous vaccine. These actions make it more difficult to grant an exemption, knowing the consequences of not crossing all your t's or dotting all your i's. Even though they're technically still allowed, I'm willing to bet you'd be more likely to get struck by lightening twice than get a medical exemption for vaccines in the state of California in the near future.

More on the Sears case - https://www.sott.net/article/329903-Vaccine-safety-is-a-concern-Doctors-disagree-with-charges-against-Dr-Bob-Sears
I agree with dugdeep on this point and having followed this vaccine issue for years now :curse: it is getting worse by the day in my personal opinion the Bob Sears case is just the beginning.

hlat said:
In California, school children can avoid vaccines by getting a medical exemption from a doctor. There are several doctors who will provide the medical exemption. Vaccines are not mandatory for home schooled children. Also, as I understand it, vaccines are not mandatory in grades 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. The vaccine law requires schools to check at kindergarten and 7th grade. As I understand it, enrolling kindergarten itself is not mandatory, so I wonder what is to keep a parent from just keeping the kids home until 1st grade. Of course, the best route is to get that medical exemption.
If you read the article dugdeep posted you will see that many doctors in California are worried that they will loose their license if they grant medical exemptions. From what I hear from several parents (in California) who have school aged children and who are dealing with the repercussions of the SB277 mandatory law, medical exemptions are out of the question, almost "impossible" is the term used frequently. One friend who has a child in 5th grade was told by a doctor recently that he would grant her an exemption but to please not share this with anyone, he was several hundred miles away and required extreme persistence on the part of the parent to even grant that exemption to begin with. Another parent who has a preschool age child had to spend $200.00 for the exemption and it was only considered 'temporary', meaning she will have to pay again next year when he enters elementary school.

So it begs the question are other parents in California experiencing the same frustrations and are medical exemptions are being 'handed out' no problem?
 

hlat

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I think we all know that the current US governments rule by fear and intimidation. I think, when push comes to shove, and some doctors call California DOJ's bluff by fighting through the disciplinary administrative hearing and courts, those doctors will prevail. We have a situation currently where people licensed by the Department of Consumer Affairs can be convicted of theft and fraud and keep their licenses. So, in my view, this Accusation for negligence against Sears is an intimidation tactic and will not result in revocation of his license. I think it is most likely that the Medical Board staff within the Department of Consumer Affairs targeted Sears because he is very public in his support for the right to vaccine exemptions. Usually the Medical Board brings Accusations in response to complaints by members of the public. So those other California doctors who are not outspoken will fly under the radar and I don't think the Medical Board will do anything to them because the Medical Board doesn't know about them.

The vast majority, both doctors and parents, are lost since vaccination rates were above 90% before this law. What will the small minority do, who are specifically attacked by this law? I'm not saying it is easy for average California parents to get the exemption, like a regular visit to their doctor.

Whether Sears or other California doctors continue issuing medical exemptions will depend on their personalities and character. Are they risk adverse and cower at intimidation? Do they find ways to do what they think is right in the face of intimidation? The doctors issuing exemptions are a small minority and appear to believe that they are doing what is safe for their patients. It's up to them whether they will turn their backs of patient safety.

The same goes for California parents. Will they obey the intimidation? Will they make extra efforts to continue to get vaccine exemptions? For the small minority of parents that keep trying, I think it is open whether DCM opens doors for them, however unlikely it may seem to anyone else.

I do think the vaccine exemptions will not be cheap, and the $200 price for the exemption is within my expectations of how much the doctor's fees cost.

I took a look at the text of SB277, and there is no loophole to homeschooling for kindergarten (or 7th) grade and enrolling in 1st (or 8th) grade, due to Health and Safety Code Section 120335(g). As a result, the requirement to be met is Section 120370(a):

If the parent or guardian files with the governing authority a written statement by a licensed physician to the effect that the physical condition of the child is such, or medical circumstances relating to the child are such, that immunization is not considered safe, indicating the specific nature and probable duration of the medical condition or circumstances, including, but not limited to, family medical history, for which the physician does not recommend immunization, that child shall be exempt
Between that and the Accusation's standard of care, doctors have the blueprint for issuing exemptions within the new law.
 

dugdeep

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hlat said:
I think we all know that the current US governments rule by fear and intimidation. I think, when push comes to shove, and some doctors call California DOJ's bluff by fighting through the disciplinary administrative hearing and courts, those doctors will prevail. We have a situation currently where people licensed by the Department of Consumer Affairs can be convicted of theft and fraud and keep their licenses. So, in my view, this Accusation for negligence against Sears is an intimidation tactic and will not result in revocation of his license. I think it is most likely that the Medical Board staff within the Department of Consumer Affairs targeted Sears because he is very public in his support for the right to vaccine exemptions. Usually the Medical Board brings Accusations in response to complaints by members of the public. So those other California doctors who are not outspoken will fly under the radar and I don't think the Medical Board will do anything to them because the Medical Board doesn't know about them.

The vast majority, both doctors and parents, are lost since vaccination rates were above 90% before this law. What will the small minority do, who are specifically attacked by this law? I'm not saying it is easy for average California parents to get the exemption, like a regular visit to their doctor.

Whether Sears or other California doctors continue issuing medical exemptions will depend on their personalities and character. Are they risk adverse and cower at intimidation? Do they find ways to do what they think is right in the face of intimidation? The doctors issuing exemptions are a small minority and appear to believe that they are doing what is safe for their patients. It's up to them whether they will turn their backs of patient safety.

The same goes for California parents. Will they obey the intimidation? Will they make extra efforts to continue to get vaccine exemptions? For the small minority of parents that keep trying, I think it is open whether DCM opens doors for them, however unlikely it may seem to anyone else.

I do think the vaccine exemptions will not be cheap, and the $200 price for the exemption is within my expectations of how much the doctor's fees cost.

I took a look at the text of SB277, and there is no loophole to homeschooling for kindergarten (or 7th) grade and enrolling in 1st (or 8th) grade, due to Health and Safety Code Section 120335(g). As a result, the requirement to be met is Section 120370(a):

If the parent or guardian files with the governing authority a written statement by a licensed physician to the effect that the physical condition of the child is such, or medical circumstances relating to the child are such, that immunization is not considered safe, indicating the specific nature and probable duration of the medical condition or circumstances, including, but not limited to, family medical history, for which the physician does not recommend immunization, that child shall be exempt
Between that and the Accusation's standard of care, doctors have the blueprint for issuing exemptions within the new law.
It seems your entire argument rests on finding rebel doctors who are willing to do whatever it takes to stand up to corrupt intimidation tactics, despite repercussions. I'd say good luck finding such a doctor. It would also require that they be willing to be held up in court for - how long? Again, good luck finding a doctor willing to lay it all on the line over this issue. There are very few Dr. Sears out there.
 

hlat

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dugdeep said:
Even though they're technically still allowed, I'm willing to bet you'd be more likely to get struck by lightening twice than get a medical exemption for vaccines in the state of California in the near future.
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In 2017, I have helped a California child successfully obtain a medical exemption to vaccines from a California doctor on the first attempt and successfully enroll in a California school on the first attempt.

A theory that does not conform to practical experience and data must be changed. As I see it, California parents who put in the effort will get the medical exemption to vaccines from a California doctor.

There's no update on the Bob Sears case, and as I see it the reason there is no update is that the case is never going to go anywhere. Sears is going to keep his medical license. The previous status link is not working so I have to use this link and type Robert Sears, and in the search results he has license number 60936.
_https://www.breeze.ca.gov/datamart/searchByName.do
 

shijing

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I've noticed different versions of this article being shared recently on social media:

_https://thoughtscapism.com/2017/04/03/seven-reasons-to-avoid-measles/

It's focus is the safety of the measles vaccine, and it puts forward several arguments. Several of them are familiar, and there are counterarguments to them available in the literature. One of them though, "immune amnesia", is new to me (see article above for a link to the study they reference):

Immune amnesia – two year reset of the immune system

A 2015 study tracked real world incidence of measles and other infectious disease, and found a profound effect in overall ability to fight disease following a measles infection:

Immunosuppression after measles is known to predispose people to opportunistic infections for a period of several weeks to months. Using population-level data, we show that measles has a more prolonged effect on host resistance, extending over 2 to 3 years.
This seems to be the promising missing piece in a long-time puzzle of the general dip in disease statistics following wide-spread vaccination programs: after measles vaccinations, all cause mortalities dropped as well. NPR reports on it at Scientists crack a 50 year old mystery about the measles vaccine:

Back in the 1960s, the U.S. started vaccinating kids for measles. As expected, children stopped getting measles.

But something else happened.

Childhood deaths from all infectious diseases plummeted. Even deaths from diseases like pneumonia and diarrhea were cut by half. […] “So it’s really been a mystery — why do children stop dying at such high rates from all these different infections following introduction of the measles vaccine,” he says. […]

“We found measles predisposes children to all other infectious diseases for up to a few years,” Mina says.
The concept of measles ‘immune amnesia’, or measles immune suppression, is not new, however, and has been studied for decades, although its effects have earlier been thought to last weeks or months, rather than years. Even so, the prolonged immune suppression has long been considered to be responsible for measles’ most debilitating effects. From a 2004 review:

Deaths from measles are due largely to an increased susceptibility to secondary bacterial and viral infections, attributed to a prolonged state of immune suppression. Several abnormalities of the immune system have been described, including changes in lymphocyte number and function, shifts in cytokine responses, immunomodulatory effects of interleukin-10, down regulation of interleukin-12, impaired antigen presentation, and altered interferon alpha/beta signaling pathways.
The most recent review, from 2013, looks more into the mechanisms, and notes that: “The morbidity and mortality of MV is associated with severe immune suppression.”

Measles’ immunosuppressant properties have also been studied in macaque monkeys: Measles Immune Suppression: Lessons from the Macaque Model:

The rapid oligoclonal expansion of MV-specific lymphocytes and bystander cells masks this depletion, explaining the short duration of measles lymphopenia yet long duration of immune suppression.
And as if this bummer of a immune-reset from measles would not be bad enough, recent research has also found the risk of a grave side effect, SSPE to be much larger than previously considered.
I've done some preliminary searching, but I can't find any real discussion about it so far online -- only repetition of the same talking points attached to the original study. Has anyone looked into this at all, and do you have any critique of the methodology of the study or the analysis?
 

Meg

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There is a petition at the White House calling for a 5-year moratorium on childhood vaccines.

Trump's Five Year Moratorium on Childhood Vaccines and Destruction of Pharma Control of Media

This petition asks the President to support Citizen's Petition, FDA-2017-P-4500, a five year moratorium on all childhood vaccines on the ground of inadequate information for parents to make an informed consent to the procedure, as well as the government's failure to perform adequate pre or post safety testing of vaccinated and un-vaccinated populations.

We ask the White House to:

ONE: Impose a five year moratorium on all childhood vaccines from birth to age eighteen.

TWO: Repeal the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and return vaccines to the traditional civil justice system.

THREE: Perform large scale studies of vaccinated and un-vaccinated children.

FOUR: Ban direct pharmaceutical advertising to consumers and allow such advertising only to medical professionals.
I signed it. It has 6,876 signatures so far and needs 100,000. Unfortunately, the deadline is tomorrow.
 

Konstantin

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Menrva said:
There is a petition at the White House calling for a 5-year moratorium on childhood vaccines.

Trump's Five Year Moratorium on Childhood Vaccines and Destruction of Pharma Control of Media

This petition asks the President to support Citizen's Petition, FDA-2017-P-4500, a five year moratorium on all childhood vaccines on the ground of inadequate information for parents to make an informed consent to the procedure, as well as the government's failure to perform adequate pre or post safety testing of vaccinated and un-vaccinated populations.

We ask the White House to:

ONE: Impose a five year moratorium on all childhood vaccines from birth to age eighteen.

TWO: Repeal the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and return vaccines to the traditional civil justice system.

THREE: Perform large scale studies of vaccinated and un-vaccinated children.

FOUR: Ban direct pharmaceutical advertising to consumers and allow such advertising only to medical professionals.
I signed it. It has 6,876 signatures so far and needs 100,000. Unfortunately, the deadline is tomorrow.
Signed, shared and retwitted
 

hlat

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Menrva said:
There is a petition at the White House calling for a 5-year moratorium on childhood vaccines.

Trump's Five Year Moratorium on Childhood Vaccines and Destruction of Pharma Control of Media

This petition asks the President to support Citizen's Petition, FDA-2017-P-4500, a five year moratorium on all childhood vaccines on the ground of inadequate information for parents to make an informed consent to the procedure, as well as the government's failure to perform adequate pre or post safety testing of vaccinated and un-vaccinated populations.

We ask the White House to:

ONE: Impose a five year moratorium on all childhood vaccines from birth to age eighteen.

TWO: Repeal the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and return vaccines to the traditional civil justice system.

THREE: Perform large scale studies of vaccinated and un-vaccinated children.

FOUR: Ban direct pharmaceutical advertising to consumers and allow such advertising only to medical professionals.
I signed it. It has 6,876 signatures so far and needs 100,000. Unfortunately, the deadline is tomorrow.
For all we know, a million people may have signed the petition, and the deep state hacked the numbers to display whatever number they want.
 

Ant22

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Menrva said:
There is a petition at the White House calling for a 5-year moratorium on childhood vaccines.

Trump's Five Year Moratorium on Childhood Vaccines and Destruction of Pharma Control of Media

This petition asks the President to support Citizen's Petition, FDA-2017-P-4500, a five year moratorium on all childhood vaccines on the ground of inadequate information for parents to make an informed consent to the procedure, as well as the government's failure to perform adequate pre or post safety testing of vaccinated and un-vaccinated populations.

We ask the White House to:

ONE: Impose a five year moratorium on all childhood vaccines from birth to age eighteen.

TWO: Repeal the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and return vaccines to the traditional civil justice system.

THREE: Perform large scale studies of vaccinated and un-vaccinated children.

FOUR: Ban direct pharmaceutical advertising to consumers and allow such advertising only to medical professionals.
I signed it. It has 6,876 signatures so far and needs 100,000. Unfortunately, the deadline is tomorrow.

Unfortunately it's been archived now as it didn't reach the required minimum. :(
 
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