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From The Truth About Vaccines 2017:
Del Bigtree Discusses Vaccine Safety at The Truth About Cancer LIVE 2017 in Orlando
Vaccine Lies Totally Destroyed!
When my good friend Del Bigtree (one of the producers of the vaccines documentary Vaxxed) spoke last month at The Truth About Cancer Live, the room was on fire and Del requested that we share this video which very well could be the best video ever.

In his powerful presentation, Del discusses the many shocking statistics revolving around vaccines, the drug companies that make them and he also looks at the questions”Are Vaccines dangerous?”

Excellent info!

And then there's this:
Big Pharma Giant GlaxoSmithKline Spends $300 Million For Access To DNA Database Of Genealogy Tracking Company 23AndMe

Since the launch of its DNA testing service in 2007, genomics giant 23andMe has convinced more than 5 million people to fill a plastic tube with half a teaspoon of saliva.

In case it hasn’t dawned on you yet, you are a commodity just like hand cream, dish soap and laundry detergent. In the 21st century, we are all in the process of becoming one of the batteries that provides the fuel for The Matrix that we live in. It is only when we “unplug ourselves” are we able to see this construct for what it really is, and what is that? The coming kingdom of Antichrist.
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Yes, 23AndMe is harvesting your DNA and selling it for obscene amounts of money to Big Pharma. Just like the Mormon Church started Ancestry.com which has become a huge medical research genealogy testing company. Everything is for sale, and privacy is an old-fashioned notion that exists only in the memories of people old enough to remember what life was like before AI took over. Just a little food for thought if you were planning on having your DNA tested.
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FROM WIRED: In return for all that spit (and some cash too), customers get insights into their biological inheritance, from the superficial—do you have dry earwax or wet?—to mutations associated with disease. What 23andMe gets is an ever-expanding supply of valuable behavioral, health, and genetic information from the 80 percent of its customers who consent to having their data used for research.

So last week’s announcement
that one of the world’s biggest drugmakers, GlaxoSmithKline, is gaining exclusive rights to mine 23andMe’s customer data for drug targets should come as no surprise. (Neither should GSK’s $300 million investment in the company). 23andMe has been sharing insights gleaned from consented customer data with GSK and at least six other pharmaceutical and biotechnology firms for the past three and a half years. And offering access to customer information in the service of science has been 23andMe’s business plan all along, as WIRED noted when it first began covering the company more than a decade ago.

But some customers were still surprised and angry, unaware of what they had already signed (and spat) away. GSK will receive the same kind of data pharma partners have generally received—summary level statistics that 23andMe scientists gather from analyses on de-identified, aggregate customer information—though it will have four years of exclusive rights to run analyses to discover new drug targets. Supporting this kind of translational work is why some customers signed up in the first place. But it’s clear the days of blind trust in the optimistic altruism of technology companies are coming to a close.
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23andMe maintains that transparency is a core tenet of the company. “I think a really important distinction to make is that 23andMe operates under an independent ethical review board that oversees all of our research,” says Emily Drabant Conley, 23andMe’s vice president of business development, who oversaw the announcement of the GSK deal. “The guidelines we follow are essentially the same as what other research institutions follow.” So they should apply to any of the analyses GSK might want to run on 23andMe data, like a PheWAS, which connects constellations of symptoms and conditions across many people with a single genetic mutation they all share.

There’s a tension between the way 23andMe portrays itself as a health company, and simultaneously wants to be treated like every other tech company that makes its money from big data, says Allyse. “You can’t have it both ways. That’s why we have HIPAA, it’s why we have all these regulations that say health information is privileged information that can’t be commodified.”

But 23andMe, with its hybrid model, has been commodifying health and genetic data for years as it wades further into the field of drug discovery. In 2015, Forbes reported that the company had inked its first pharmaceutical company deal with Genentech, for $10 million up front, and up to $50 million if its data turned out to be useful for developing Parkinson’s treatments. Pfizer signed a data-sharing agreement of its own shortly after. That was back when 23andMe had data from only 650,000 consented individuals in its proprietary database. Its critics were unsure of the value of that information, self-reported as it was (and still is). But as the database has grown to the millions, differences in how customers interpret survey questions matter less and less to the company’s potential research partners, according to Spector-Bagdady.

“The hypothesis of this company was to circumvent medical records and just self-report,” Wojcicki told a room full researchers at an event on 23andMe’s campus in May. “Anyone can go get genomes. What’s really hard is phenotypic data.”

To get that kind of health and behavioral information, 23andMe is continually pushing surveys out to its customers. A few questions here, a few questions there; it’s kind of like going on a first date every time you log on. And people love talking about themselves. “We specialize in capturing phenotypic data on people longitudinally—on average 300 data points on each customer,” Wojcicki said. “That’s the most valuable by far.”

Read more:
https: //www.wired.com/story/23andme-glaxosmithkline-pharma-deal/
And who's to say this gathered data will not only produce new drugs, but new vaccines - like really really safe ones because data - right?!!
 

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Dr. David Brownstein, author of Iodine: Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It, wrote this about vaccines.

NY Times editorial on vaccines is a pseudoscientific mess! -- Sott.net
Dr Brownstein | New York Times Editorial On Vaccines: A Pseudoscience Mess!
New York Times Editorial On Vaccines: A Pseudoscience Mess!
David Brownstein
Jan 20 2019

(Note: My wife vetoed my initial headline: Failing New York Times Op-Ed Full of Fake Vaccine News. She claims that my sense of humor does not translate to all.)

The lead New York Times (NYT) editorial today is titled, “Know The Enemy.” According to the NYT, the “enemy” is anyone who questions the safety and efficacy of any vaccine.

I guess that makes me the enemy. I thought I was a board-certified physician trying to read and decipher the research on vaccines to help guide my patients on how to make their best health care decisions.

The NYT states, “Leading global health threats typically are caused by the plagues and perils of low-income countries — but vaccine hesitancy is as American as can be.” Both parts of that sentence are correct.

In the early 20th Century, infection was the number one killer of Americans and it killed a high percentage of our youth. However, by the 1950’s infection rates for nearly every childhood vaccine- preventable illness (as well as other infectious illnesses like scarlet fever) had drastically declined—BEFORE vaccines were developed and mandated. In fact, for the major vaccine-preventable illnesses such as measles, mumps, diphtheria, and pertussis, the death rate declined well over 90% BEFORE vaccines were mandated. How did that occur? The death rate from infectious diseases declined not by vaccination, but by public health measures. This includes providing clean water to our houses and safely removing waste products.

Did vaccines lower the death rate for their respective illnesses? We don’t know since the rates were already declining dramatically before the mass vaccination program began. To imply that vaccines were responsible for this dramatic decline in pediatric infectious deaths in the 20th Century is nothing more than FAKE NEWS!

One of the best indicators of the health of a country is the infant mortality rate. Researchers correlated the number of vaccines given to infants and the mortality rate for ages five and under. Guess who gave the most vaccines and guess who had the highest infant mortality rate? If you guessed the US, you win.

The NYT states, “On the internet, anti-vaccine propaganda has outpaced pro-vaccine public health information. The anti-vaxxers, as they are colloquially known, have hundreds of websites promoting their message, a roster of tech- and media-savvy influencers and an aggressive political arm that includes at least a dozen political action committees.”

Well, in this case there is just me. And, I am not that tech-savvy.

I don’t write anti-vaccine propaganda. I write about the science behind vaccines. And, if you study the science behind vaccines, it is hard not to question the wisdom of injecting our young with too many toxic-laden vaccines.

“The C.D.C., the nation’s leading public health agency, has a website with accurate information, but no loud public voice,” writes the NYT. The CDC is a cesspool of corruption, according to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. In fact, the CDC has a senior scientist who has assumed whistle-blower status claiming that published studies (by the CDC) looking at whether the MMR vaccine causes autism were fraudulent. The whistle-blower has stated, under oath, that senior CDC managers directed the whistle-blower and others to destroy and alter the data in order to hide the truth. The data, released by the whistle-blower, did show a strong correlation with the MMR vaccine and autism.

Why doesn’t the NYT write a lead op-ed demanding that the CDC whistle-blower testify in front of Congress about his allegations? To date, it has been over four years since the whistle-blower came forward. To date, he has not testified in front of Congress and the CDC has blocked his testimony in other settings. To date, the NYT has failed to write ONE article about this situation. Perhaps the CDC has no loud voice because it is too busy covering up the truth about vaccines. If there is nothing to hide, then why doesn’t the whistle-blower testify? Why has the CDC gagged him from speaking?

Further in the op-ed, the NYT writes, “The consequences of this disparity are substantial: a surge in outbreaks of measles, mumps, pertussis and other diseases; an increase in influenza deaths; and dismal rates of HPV vaccination, which doctors say could effectively wipe out cervical cancer if it were better utilized.”

Would declining vaccine rates increase the susceptibility for some of the vaccinated illnesses? Yes. For example, measles and chickenpox illnesses will increase if we stop vaccinating for these illnesses. But, children rarely die from measles and chickenpox in modern countries. These illnesses are often treated with supportive care and for the vast majority recovery from the illness is uneventful.

Cervical cancer deaths have rapidly fallen not from vaccines, but better medical care such as the Pap smear. The HPV vaccine has never been shown to prevent cancer and probably will not in the future. And, there are too many side effects from the HPV vaccine to recommend its use for a relatively uncommon cancer. Can measles and chickenpox cause serious effects including death? Yes. So can the vaccines.

The NYT mentions the pro-vaccine researchers are having “…to counter pseudoscience with fact” in order to prove vaccines are safe and effective.

Pseudoscience? There is no greater example of pseudoscience than saying it is safe to inject toxic items like mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde into any living being, much less a newborn infant.

Pseudoscience? How about the pseudoscience by not comparing a new vaccine with a placebo to show that it is safe. However, in today’s world, in regards to vaccines, pseudoscience rules. The fact is that childhood vaccines have not been studied against a true placebo (except for one small HPV study which found much higher adverse effects in the HPV group compared to the placebo). Big Pharma studies the vaccines against other vaccines and other toxic agents which hide the true adverse effects of vaccines.

Pseudoscience? Where are the CDC studies comparing vaccinated versus unvaccinated? This simple study could put to rest the idea that vaccines cause too many problems. The CDC refuses to do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study even though Congress has asked for this.

The NYT mentioned the California Disneyland measles outbreak twice. Here are the facts about the Disneyland measles outbreak. A total of 147 people were sickened with measles. No deaths were reported. Of those sickened with measles, 45% were unvaccinated. Of the remaining subjects, 18% were vaccinated and 38% had unknown vaccination status. Perhaps the NYT editorial board should re-watch the Brady Bunch episode where the Brady children become infected with measles. Marcia Brady stated, “If you have to get sick, sure can’t beat the measles.”

Does the measles vaccine protect against measles infection? Yes. Can measles cause serious health problems? Yes. Are there side effects with the measles vaccine? Yes. These side effects include febrile seizures which occur in 1:640 who receive the vaccine. This is five times more often than seizures from a measles infection. Febrile seizures can increase the risk for epilepsy. Other risks of the MMR vaccine include seizures, coma, lowered consciousness, permanent brain damage and death.

The worst part of the editorial comes next. “Vaccines are not toxic, and they do not cause autism. Full stop.” Full stop is right. We need a full stop on vaccinations until the CDC whistle-blower testifies, the CDC does a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study, and the HHS department (which licenses vaccines) demands all vaccines be tested against a true placebo. Vaccines have been proven to cause autism in the Hannah Poling case. Hannah had been developing normally until at age 19 months she received nine immunizations. Shortly after the vaccinations, Hannah developed a fever, diarrhea, appetite loss, and screaming. This was accompanied by a gradual loss of speech, no longer making eye contact and not sleeping throughout the night. In 2007, the vaccine court said the vaccines she received exacerbated an underlying mitochondrial disorder which lead to a brain disease that appeared as autism. The NYT and the other Powers That Be repeat the same hypothesis over and over: vaccines are safe and do not cause autism. For a hypothesis to be proven true, it has to hold true for all cases. In the case of Hannah Poling, the hypothesis that vaccines are safe and do not cause autism has been disproved. I can assure you that there are many cases like Hannah Poling out there.

The NYT needs to do better research before reporting tired, incorrect, vaccine dogma. Parents need the proper information available to make the best choice whether vaccination is in their child’s interest or not.

[Deleted info for lecture on February 2nd 2019 at Livonia, MI]
 

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Last few months I noticed increased propaganda about vaccination. First I noticed it in the news from all over the world.
Then it came to my country. As the unelected leftist and NATO/ Deep state puppets came to power in Macedonia, they also increased the propaganda and fear about vaccination.
First of all, they proclaimed measles epidemy with only 6-7 infected children. Then they forbid the unvaccinated children to go to a kindergarten because they could spread the infection. If other vaccinated kids are protected, then I can't see any logic.

Parents were very mad because they had to go to work but in the kindergartens, their children were not accepted.
There was a case when one mother of unvaccinated children had to leave her child there because she had to go to work. They were not accepting her children but she insisted and finally they allow her children to stay, but isolated and closed alone in one small spare room, not with other children. The child was not infected. It was an unvaccinated but healthy child.

A few days later there was information that our Health department made a multimillion business for buying new vaccines. A few days later they announced epidemy with just a few infected children. A few days later there were about 20 infected. Lot of them were vaccinated.

Then one journalist noticed that MMR vaccines have expired date and they were still using them. It became big news and parents became angrier. From the health department came with new information to try to repair some damage, that vaccines were ok, and that they just inserted old declarations inside with old date. A few days later the information was demanded and they said that the vaccines will be destroyed. And then again they tried to cover up when they came with the information that just a small number were expired and the rest of them are ok and usable.

Then the minister of health came on TV and allegedly vaccinated his nephew in front of cameras saying that vaccines are safe and that the children will be protected. But somebody noticed that while allegedly injecting the child, the needle was with the plastic cap on it all the time.
And then they were silent for a few days and they came with information that the minister of Health did not vaccinate her nephew because she was too young to get that shot, but when the time will come she will receive it.

And there is a lie after lie that I can't even remember all of them.

This is so unbelievable. Big Pharma psychos are working hard.

Then my son received an invitation for vaccination at school, and there it was written that the parents will be punished if the child is not vaccinated until the next day. I refuse that invitation of course.

Yesterday one friend of mine who is a Medical Doctor and work at the vaccination department called my wife and told her that the situation with measles is very serious and that she should try to convince me to go there with my son to receive the shot. The same person has a severe live threating neurological reaction from a vaccine that he received 8-9 years ago and it was confirmed that the vaccine was the cause. Even then he told me that he cant report any kind of adverse reaction from a vaccine ( at least not a serious one ) to authorities because it is now allowed.

My point is that this madness is spreading across the planet like a fire. My country is under full control of the deep state and their domestic puppets. It is getting harder and harder to live and raise a child here.

But we are born in these times and we must find a smart way to protect our children and fight the evil.
 

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That's horrible Konstantin. I hope you can dodge it for as long as possible for your kid's sake. In the meantime, there are protocols you can research to mitigate the bad effects of a vaccination, and detoxes you can do after, should you find yourself unable to get around it in the end. Dr. Gaby may be able to help you design a plan to have ready for your child for the specific jabs, just in case.
 

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Konstantin, if it comes to it, here's a good way to protect the children:

 

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Last few months I noticed increased propaganda about vaccination. First I noticed it in the news from all over the world.
Then it came to my country. As the unelected leftist and NATO/ Deep state puppets came to power in Macedonia, they also increased the propaganda and fear about vaccination.
First of all, they proclaimed measles epidemy with only 6-7 infected children. Then they forbid the unvaccinated children to go to a kindergarten because they could spread the infection. If other vaccinated kids are protected, then I can't see any logic.

Parents were very mad because they had to go to work but in the kindergartens, their children were not accepted.
There was a case when one mother of unvaccinated children had to leave her child there because she had to go to work. They were not accepting her children but she insisted and finally they allow her children to stay, but isolated and closed alone in one small spare room, not with other children. The child was not infected. It was an unvaccinated but healthy child.

A few days later there was information that our Health department made a multimillion business for buying new vaccines. A few days later they announced epidemy with just a few infected children. A few days later there were about 20 infected. Lot of them were vaccinated.

Then one journalist noticed that MMR vaccines have expired date and they were still using them. It became big news and parents became angrier. From the health department came with new information to try to repair some damage, that vaccines were ok, and that they just inserted old declarations inside with old date. A few days later the information was demanded and they said that the vaccines will be destroyed. And then again they tried to cover up when they came with the information that just a small number were expired and the rest of them are ok and usable.

Then the minister of health came on TV and allegedly vaccinated his nephew in front of cameras saying that vaccines are safe and that the children will be protected. But somebody noticed that while allegedly injecting the child, the needle was with the plastic cap on it all the time.
And then they were silent for a few days and they came with information that the minister of Health did not vaccinate her nephew because she was too young to get that shot, but when the time will come she will receive it.

And there is a lie after lie that I can't even remember all of them.

This is so unbelievable. Big Pharma psychos are working hard.

Then my son received an invitation for vaccination at school, and there it was written that the parents will be punished if the child is not vaccinated until the next day. I refuse that invitation of course.

Yesterday one friend of mine who is a Medical Doctor and work at the vaccination department called my wife and told her that the situation with measles is very serious and that she should try to convince me to go there with my son to receive the shot. The same person has a severe live threating neurological reaction from a vaccine that he received 8-9 years ago and it was confirmed that the vaccine was the cause. Even then he told me that he cant report any kind of adverse reaction from a vaccine ( at least not a serious one ) to authorities because it is now allowed.

My point is that this madness is spreading across the planet like a fire. My country is under full control of the deep state and their domestic puppets. It is getting harder and harder to live and raise a child here.

But we are born in these times and we must find a smart way to protect our children and fight the evil.
Holy smokes, dude! That's a living nightmare!

I very much hope you are able to engage the spirit muscles necessary to squeak you and your family through the cracks. There must still be cracks.

I don't know if you are aware, but there is a Marvel comics character named, "John Constantine " (similar to your screen tag). I never followed his story, but when he was being described to me long ago by an avid comics reader, the power of his which remained stuck in my brain was this: he could casually walk across a busy, rushing highway and not get hit because he was so in tune with reality that he knew which spaces were going to be empty and which were not.

Sounds like a worthwhile trick to pull on if it is at all within you. Antennas up and get good sleep and good nourishment! It sounds like you are already experiencing a kind of elevated awareness. I wonder how many parents would even care?
 

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Konstantin, if it comes to it, here's a good way to protect the children:

Thanks, Gaby. Vit C is a real miracle.
But I won't give up yet. Not without a good fight. I will not allow that pleasure to them yet.
If one day I have to do that and if nothing else could be done, I have Vit C in my sleeve.
 

Konstantin

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Holy smokes, dude! That's a living nightmare!

I very much hope you are able to engage the spirit muscles necessary to squeak you and your family through the cracks. There must still be cracks.

I don't know if you are aware, but there is a Marvel comics character named, "John Constantine " (similar to your screen tag). I never followed his story, but when he was being described to me long ago by an avid comics reader, the power of his which remained stuck in my brain was this: he could casually walk across a busy, rushing highway and not get hit because he was so in tune with reality that he knew which spaces were going to be empty and which were not.

Sounds like a worthwhile trick to pull on if it is at all within you. Antennas up and get good sleep and good nourishment! It sounds like you are already experiencing a kind of elevated awareness. I wonder how many parents would even care?
There are parents that care but the repression and propaganda from authorities are too big. Those aware parents are organized in civil association but as I said they are too little.
And Another "vaccine storm" is on the horizon. Yesterday two people died allegedly from the flue. One was a 5-year-old child who has a compromised health and severe asthma, and other is a 20-year-old girl with Down syndrome. In their statement, they said that the flu virus will infect more people in the next few weeks( they know in advance) and probably they will have to announce flue epidemy and make flu vaccination mandatory for everybody. Yesterday they made a new million business for new vaccines. As we can see from the developing situation, they are probably flu shots. Suddenly just a day after the business is done there is new flu epidemy. We will see how will this situation develop.

I think that its all part of the bigger picture. The change of the name of my country and putting the country in NATO. So this is all a distraction so the people won't react much on those more global and existential problems.

Who will care about more global problems when your child is poisoned.
 

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Who will care about more global problems when your child is poisoned.
There is a difference to know the evil and to be able, despite the pressure to stand up against it to simply protect your child, and that making the danger lurks around your whole family, I wish you to find an appropriate way to face this horror.

I would like to add to Gaby's advice the following protocol to neutralize the vaccine, just in case:

If it is totally impossible to escape a vaccine (e.g. professional blackmail, refusal to enter a training centre, etc.), take clay paste and make a poultice of green clay, a gauze strip, a cloth to cover and plaster.
Or else:
You buy a tube of clay (health food stores) and go to the vaccination with this tube, gauze and plaster. As soon as the vaccine has been injected, you go to the toilet and put a thick enough layer of clay on the vaccine + gauze + plaster. Keep this poultice for 2 hours and the vaccine will be almost entirely absorbed by the clay.

Go to the toilet immediately after injection and spread the clay widely in a thick layer at the vaccine site before attaching the dressing.

Keep at least two hours.

The vaccine will be absorbed entirely by the clay.

All such operations that have been performed on babies or dogs and cats have proven to be 100% effective without the appearance of common manifestations (temperature, discomfort, etc.).

- Activated Vegetal Charcoal: 1 cap. every 30 minutes for one day. Coal will absorb everything that has not been absorbed by clay.
CAUTION, CANCEL the effect of all medications.

Another method to complete and make the poultice even more effective:
-As a safety measure, the defences can also be stimulated by the following methods, either in combination or in choice:
- Magnesium chloride: 40 ml of solution for an adult, 25 ml for a child, three times a day, on vaccination day and the next day.
Preparation, dissolve 20 g (9 teaspoons) in 1 litre of hot water.
Drink hot or cold to your taste.
Keep in the fridge.

OTHER PRECISIONS: In addition to the green clay poultice to be placed immediately on the vaccination, dissolve 9 teaspoons of magnesium chloride in 1 litre of water.
Drink 1 glass 3 hours before vaccination, 1 glass 1 hour before, then 1 glass every 2 hours after vaccination (up to 6 glasses).
The next day drink 5 glasses during the day, repeat for 4 days (some will have transient diarrhea, if it persists, reduce the dose).

Vaccine strains will be destroyed by the huge increase in your own antibodies.
The problem lies in the toxic additives, often unknown, contained in the vaccine, against which little can be done.

- Grapefruit or Citrovia citrus seed extract: 30 drops in water, 3 times a day for 2 to 3 days.
NB: Discovered in 1980, its action extends to about 800 strains of bacteria and viruses, and about 100 strains of fungi, as well as a very large number of unicellular parasites.
It is a unique score, which makes it the most powerful natural antibiotic known, while the action of conventional antibiotics is limited to bacteria.
Moreover, unlike the latter, it is totally devoid of toxicity and stimulates immune defences instead of inhibiting them.

- Natural vitamin C

Never get vaccinated during an outbreak, especially if you are likely to come into contact with patients.
The risk of contagion and aggravation of the disease is becoming much greater.
 

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I am very sorry, Konstantin, that you have to go through it. :-( Here in Russia they also in many cases (Or maybe all of them? Don't know. ) prevent kids from attending kindergarten if they are not vaccinated.

Of course my knowledge is limited to the veterinary science, but I wonder if there are vaccines, just like for cats and dogs, that are sort of mandatory or necessary for kids if they are going to be exposed to an outside world. In vet medicine they are called core vaccines. And while any vaccine has potential to cause damage, in some cases their benefits outweigh the risks. Perhaps some risks could also be minimized by immunizing at the not too early age, or if doing a detox afterwards?

It may not save one from the pro-vaccination craziness, but perhaps adopting more knowledgable and selective approach could help with convincing spouses, among other things. Because I think that many knee jerk reactions toward anti-vaxxers happen due to their black and white approach. It actually looks simular to people rejecting intelligent design, because they think that those who believe in it think that God can suddenly turn a man into a frog, or vice versa. As if by magic. And this looks like dangerous nonsense.

Of course when it comes to cats and dogs there are many that are never vaccinated and are totally fine. But there are also a lot of cases of mass deaths in shelters, for example, when one sick cat infects the rest of the feline shelter population. Sometimes vaccinated animals get sick too, but with milder and non lethal forms. So in our case we are often faced with reality of needing to vaccinate at least once in order to create immunity, and that's it. It's the routine of revacinations or vaccination with non core vaccines that causes damage.

So I wonder if there is a similar thing in human medicine. Sorry if my question is ignorant.

Also, do you have a possibility to do titer tests (that test for level of immunity) instead of vaccinations?
 
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There are parents that care but the repression and propaganda from authorities are too big. Those aware parents are organized in civil association but as I said they are too little.
And Another "vaccine storm" is on the horizon. Yesterday two people died allegedly from the flue. One was a 5-year-old child who has a compromised health and severe asthma, and other is a 20-year-old girl with Down syndrome. In their statement, they said that the flu virus will infect more people in the next few weeks( they know in advance) and probably they will have to announce flue epidemy and make flu vaccination mandatory for everybody. Yesterday they made a new million business for new vaccines. As we can see from the developing situation, they are probably flu shots. Suddenly just a day after the business is done there is new flu epidemy. We will see how will this situation develop.

I think that its all part of the bigger picture. The change of the name of my country and putting the country in NATO. So this is all a distraction so the people won't react much on those more global and existential problems.

Who will care about more global problems when your child is poisoned.
The situation regarding vaccines in Finland is quite similar to what you describe, Konstantin. The propaganda and scare mongering is relentless, and 99% of the people you know are brainwashed to attack anyone who questions vaccines.

Having said that, it might surprise you, that just a half year ago, I finally gave my consent for our kids to get the MMR-vaccine. Let me explain. I've been sceptic regarding vaccines since at least 20 years. And I've read the 'usual' literature, and today I'm totally convinced that vaccines are at the very least not in any way beneficial, and most probably dangerous to people with weak or undeveloped immune systems. They might be dangerous for everyone in the long run, that is my strong 'educated suspicion'.

However, since I have a wife, I can't totally dictate things in our family, and we always make important decisions (especially regarding the kids) together, carefully weighing the pros and cons. My wife has been against giving any 'unnecessary' vaccines to the kids, ever since they were born, but they did get one round of Infanrix-Polio-Hib as toddlers, but nothing after that. However, she has wanted the kids to get the MMR for years now, but has patiently waited for my consent.

The more I learned about the MMR-shot, the more concerned I became. At my request, my wife agreed that we'd postpone the MMR (possibly not letting the kids take that at all) as long as it would seem possible. So, many years went by, and each year I 'succeeded' in postponing the kids' MMR. Then the most recent propaganda attack came, in the form of a case of measles and the usual scare tactics. The media went to overdrive, and draconic legislation was suggested by authorities. People I know were mercilessly attacking others on social media for their 'anti-vaxx' attitude and so on. My wife was starting to get really conserned.

So, after ca 8 years of stalling, I decided that okay now is the time to compromise, the kids will get the darn shots. Weighing all the pros and cons, I decided that we just had to do this. The kids were now 8 and 10 years old, so the possibility of some serious complication was low. I was angry that the impetus for this decision came from the media and the scare mongering, but what can you do? I was concerned about the possible bullying the kids would get at school for being 'anti-vaxxers', for influential people we know–of how they could 'blacklist' or in other ways (e.g. via our jobs) destroy us, and the fascistic measures the authorities might take if it came out that our kids were not vaccinated and measles was making rounds. There already had been cases were 'anti-vaxxer' kids had been put on quarantine (at home), not allowed to the school.

The week before their shots, I 'pumped' the kids full of supplements that I'd read could mitigate the negative effects of the vaccine. Fish oil, vitamin A, vitamin C, mulitvitamin etc. And, after they got their shots...we couldn't notice any, zilch, nada, side effects whatsoever. Might have been the supplements, their more mature age, good immune system that played a role. I was very relieved, to say the least!

After this, there will be no more vaccines for our kids, whatsoever, ever...!
 
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