Venezuela's Presidential Elections 2024

I was always a big fan of Chavez and was deeply saddened when they killed him via cancer. He was making some wonderful changes for his people and was one of the few good leaders on our planet.
Maduro respected him and I am am sure was aware of how hard his task was after witnessing what happened to Chavez. But he still does his best even though he may not have such a charismatic character as Chavez and maybe not his strength.
Also for me, if Russia is happy with him. then I too know they have the right leader! :-)
Sad to see all the riots and commotion on Telegram, even pulling down statues of Chavez - destroying everything that was good in the country.
The sooner the rest of the Latino countries wake up to the fact that so many of them are just USA puppets the better. Especially as their proximity to USA makes them easier to infiltrate and control.
Milei is the biggest joke on this planet atm bar Zelinsky, Macron this list of retards is there to see for all who follow the high road.
 
washable_orbit said:
Randomly tagging along to this conversation, but I just wanted to clarify some of my own confusion. Out of the endless number of people from Venezuela (and even Cuba) that I talk to on a daily basis (here in the US), I’ve never heard anyone say they support their home country’s government. And this makes sense considering the quality of life in these countries. So while things look great on paper, the reality that these people live or have lived in such places leave a lot to be desired. Obviously I wouldn’t want a Nazi running my country either, but the alternative hasn’t necessarily been working. So what is the end goal here exactly? It’s very heroic for a country to fight back fascism disguised as democracy; but at the extent of its people?
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That is the thing, people who left the country or live in another country it’s going to be 100% with the mentality of Maduro being evil and all the bad things happening to Venezuela, they will never tell you something good about it, zero! They have a black and white thinking mentality and unfortunately 99% are programmed by MSM.

However, saying all that, it is true that the situation on Venezuela is not good (it has improved), lost of power outages, water issues, weird economy like half of stores only takes dollars and the other half the local currency, high crime etc. There are many details the government hasn’t handle well, which is part of things the way Maduro handled some things, but has in mind most of these things are also result of many sabotages and sanctions the country has been exposed to on daily basis since Chavez from powers outside.

People who are part of the opposition don’t see this and in a way, they have their right to feel that way against the government, on the other hand, they still need to learn their lesson every time because they don’t live in the reality that Maduro still has the majority of the vote and believe whatever the MSM says, even thought some of those things are technically true, they exaggerate everything to the maximum and lie 60% of the time. And whether they like it or not, they have to respect the majority’s decision.
 
I think people should really pay attention to what’s happening here because there is a if machinery of desinfo in play and is part of a war between truth and lies. Even Trump just said that should have taken advantage of the oil when he left the power and Venezuela was weaker, I like Trump very much, but his capitalism point of view can make him see things very narrowly sometimes.
On the other hand, again, Elon Musk is showing his real face.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818306867501650372

A situation like this is why the Cs says resistance is not enough. There is a huge imbalance on the truth globally and this is a big example of it.
 
irjO said:
Even Trump just said that should have taken advantage of the oil when he left the power and Venezuela was weaker, I like Trump very much, but his capitalism point of view can make him see things very narrowly sometimes.
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Hey!, in any case it very openly shows how the United States operates and by extension the deep state, even knowing Trump's limitations and how he usually speaks (an example of this is what he said about Iran recently), perhaps there is another intention in his words, although it is difficult to know.
P.S :He said similar words about Syria and Iraq; that he left the troops to take the oil(...)
 
Beau said:
But aren't all those people Venezuelan citizens? How are they not the normal population?
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If by "nationality" you mean, it is relative. There are large businesses that belong to foreigners but are nationalized as Venezuelans or even have their own small or medium-sized companies or businesses, but they are registered as if they were foreigners to evade government actions. Nationality is not a limiting factor, it is the influence of the person that matters for certain circumstances and there are many of that in various areas of trade in Venezuela. The common people do not decide which trade opens and which does not, that's why the looting and supply problems that you have always read about originate.

That's a whole consortium of ordinary entrepreneurs and traders. Additionally, the Venezuelan population is diverse, we have Colombian, Peruvian, Ecuadorian, Dominican, Chinese people in small and medium-sized businesses, and we have Germans, Arabs, Spaniards, Italians and more Europeans in other important positions with greater influence in the politics as well as the Polar company at the time. And then there are the ordinary people with their entrepreneurial shops or selling fruits and vegetables on the streets, the informal traders. There's everything. That is why it is difficult for me to talk only about "Venezuelans" or "red and blue" because there is much more involved than that. Or without taking into account that many have left the country but exert influence from abroad, that there are people who cannot vote outside Venezuela, that there are a number of other people who no longer care about what happens in Venezuela and that also leaves room for the majority of votes remain.

The important thing is that in the face of such attrition and attacks, people have become aware and have been able to point to a greater good. He hasn't sacrificed democracy to have an Amazon store on the corner.

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Today the closed businesses dawned again, people are queuing again to buy food since not all the merchants are opening due to the fear of looting and obviously due to discontent. The same story of what happened in "Puente Llaguno" is repeated again:

The most disturbing video of an attack by colectivos in Caracas protected by the National Guard
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El video más inquietante de un ataque de colectivos en Caracas amparados por la Guardia Nacional - Diario Versión Final

Un grupo de hombres armados abrió fuego en repetidas ocasiones contra manifestantes opositores en las cercanías de Santa Capilla en la Avenida Urdaneta de
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A group of armed men repeatedly opened fire on opposition protesters in the vicinity of Santa Capilla on Urdaneta Avenue in Caracas. The fact was quickly replicated by Venezuelan journalists and citizens becoming viral in a few seconds.

This is how the coup d'état began that April 11, exactly the same "by some government gunmen."... even the angle of the camera is the same... this symbology or parallelism, I don't know, is incredible.

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Well, excuse me if I have generated confusion, it's just that I want to understand beyond a simple answer "won the majority and that's it" before so many nuances that are lived here. And not because I agree that there was fraud or intervention by Russia or China. I haven't been brainwashed yet 🤣 . I hope I've made that clearer.
 
Alma.Innovadora said:
Well, excuse me if I have generated confusion, it's just that I want to understand beyond a simple answer "won the majority and that's it" before so many nuances that are lived here. And not because I agree that there was fraud or intervention by Russia or China. I haven't been brainwashed yet 🤣 . I hope I've made that clearer.
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I understand as a Venezuelan myself, I had to do a LOT of work years ago to see things clearer, my entire family and circle dislike the government to begin with. And I wanted to see the bigger picture, but I found out it was a simple equation.
Before Chavez there was this “republicans and democrats” scenario, 2 main political parties Acción Democrática and Copei, they were the same but with different names, it was an illusionary democracy, and basically (those parties) were of the upper class interest only. Chavez came with a third political party MVR (now PSUV) and changed things and the rest you know it.
However opposition never changed on its core. It’s the same “consortium”, backed up by the bigger global consortium, just with different faces every time. But they all say the same, have the same speech, do the same thing, same tactics, such as infiltrating protest and killing people to make it seems it was the government faults etc.
When you see the same operation applied on international cases such as Syrians, Russia etc, than it’s easy to discern what’s happening in Venezuela. So at the end it is as simple as Maduro stills there in power because he really does have a majority supporting him!

Let me give you an example: the woke agenda, it’s small minority but very very loud! Every company is LGBTQ, all media are pro DEI, LGBT is everywhere yet they are a minority but it seems or feels otherwise because consortium it’s behind that program and using COINTELPRO for that.

The same is happening with Venezuela, opposition is minority but it feels or seems the other way around because of the same situation. So yes, it’s as simple as “because maduro has the majority of the votes”.
Not even mentioning that they tried to hack the electoral machines and maybe they did altered a bit somehow but they still couldn’t get to hack it enough to do something similar of what they did here in the US with Trump and Biden.
 
irjO said:
I think people should really pay attention to what’s happening here because there is a if machinery of desinfo in play and is part of a war between truth and lies. Even Trump just said that should have taken advantage of the oil when he left the power and Venezuela was weaker, I like Trump very much, but his capitalism point of view can make him see things very narrowly sometimes.
On the other hand, again, Elon Musk is showing his real face.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818306867501650372

A situation like this is why the Cs says resistance is not enough. There is a huge imbalance on the truth globally and this is a big example of it.
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Now we're seeing the long awaited catch to Elon's purchase and revival of Twitter in the name of "free speech". Hopefully anyone with the eyes to see can now cease their misguided hero worship. When all's said and done, he's a deep state creation, and deep state goals will always come first for him.

I do think the fervour with which he is pushing this psyop is strange. Are there not better hills to potentially die on? Maybe it's the last chance for a coup there before BRICS influence is too strong, so they're trying everything.
 
Maduro and his generals see it as simply a US-created color revolution attempt:

"We've seen this movie before," said Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro from the presidential palace following a night of massive protests and unrest which has seen clashes with police. The protests look to spread Tuesday, as new large rallies are being planned.

"We have been following all of the acts of violence promoted by the extreme right," he added in the fresh remarks cited by Reuters. Overnight, several United Socialist Party of Venezuela offices and headquarters were burned by oppositionists who charge that the election was stolen.

Maduro also commented, "I'm getting a video here of the burning of PSUV's headquarters in Calabozo... this is very typical of what they call 'Color Revolutions', designed by the Americans. It's a script."
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Defense Minister General Vladimir Padrino described the protests as a "coup." "There is a coup in progress so President Nicolas Maduro has stepped up to stop it again and with him the people who elected him president, all the institutions, the Bolivarian armed forces and the democratic institutions," Padrino said on state television on Tuesday. "We will defeat the coup."
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Maduro also promised to release the election results to Brazil soon, saying there's been a delay because of attacks on the electrical grid. Seems like 2019 all over again.
 
irjO said:
However opposition never changed on its core. It’s the same “consortium”
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Yes, exactly. I understand that whole dynamic. It's just that I try to study the psychological part of the population as well.

Cristina Kirchner will break the silence on Venezuela at a regional conference
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Cristina Kirchner romperá el silencio sobre Venezuela en una conferencia regional

En medio de la crisis regional por el incierto resultado electoral y las denuncias de fraude, la expresidenta hablará en el acto de clausura de un curso que organiza el Instituto Nacional de Formación Política de Morena, en México
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So far Cristina Kirchner did not celebrate the self-proclamation of Nicolás Maduro as re-elected president of Venezuela while she distanced the Brazilian Lula Da Silva and also the Chilean Gabriel Boric from the multiple suspicions about the clarity of the elections held last Sunday.
Petro maintains silence in front of Venezuela as minister asks for "vote-by-vote count”

“We call for, as soon as possible, to proceed with the total counting of the votes, their verification and independent audit. The electoral results of such an important day must have all the credibility and legitimacy possible for the good of the region and above all, of the Venezuelan people,” Murillo said in his X account.
Protests against Maduro's re-election intensify and international pressure increases
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Protestas contra la reelección de Maduro se intensifican y la presión internacional aumenta

Miles de venezolanos se han concentrado este martes en Caracas, en un acto convocado por la oposición mayoritaria, para rechazar por segundo día consecutivo lo que consideran es un fraude en los resultados oficiales del Consejo Nacional Electoral (CNE), que en la víspera proclamó a Nicolás...
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"Let's not fall for the provocations they put up. What they want is to confront us among Venezuelans. We managed to get Edmundo to get 70 percent of the votes," Machado said in front of the crowd, according to the NTN24 channel.


Seven dead and hundreds arrested in Venezuela after the triumph of Maduro; today new protests

This website has a right-wing approach, but Google is cluttered only with information about "fraud".
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The general scal of Venezuela, Tarek William Saab, announced the arrest of 749 people during the demonstrations, warning that the number could increase in the coming hours. "There are 749 of these criminals detained," Saab said, specifying that the Public Prosecutor's Office evaluates charging them for "resistance to authority and in the most serious cases of terrorism."
"There are no protests in Venezuela, but pockets of criminal people, armed, to attack, to create chaos," the prosecutor said.
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Edmun-guaido 2.0... now to tolerate these with their 70% for 5 years... 😒
 
Alma.Innovadora said:
If by "nationality" you mean, it is relative. There are large businesses that belong to foreigners but are nationalized as Venezuelans or even have their own small or medium-sized companies or businesses, but they are registered as if they were foreigners to evade government actions. Nationality is not a limiting factor, it is the influence of the person that matters for certain circumstances and there are many of that in various areas of trade in Venezuela. The common people do not decide which trade opens and which does not, that's why the looting and supply problems that you have always read about originate.

That's a whole consortium of ordinary entrepreneurs and traders. Additionally, the Venezuelan population is diverse, we have Colombian, Peruvian, Ecuadorian, Dominican, Chinese people in small and medium-sized businesses, and we have Germans, Arabs, Spaniards, Italians and more Europeans in other important positions with greater influence in the politics as well as the Polar company at the time. And then there are the ordinary people with their entrepreneurial shops or selling fruits and vegetables on the streets, the informal traders. There's everything. That is why it is difficult for me to talk only about "Venezuelans" or "red and blue" because there is much more involved than that. Or without taking into account that many have left the country but exert influence from abroad, that there are people who cannot vote outside Venezuela, that there are a number of other people who no longer care about what happens in Venezuela and that also leaves room for the majority of votes remain.

The important thing is that in the face of such attrition and attacks, people have become aware and have been able to point to a greater good. He hasn't sacrificed democracy to have an Amazon store on the corner.

___

Today the closed businesses dawned again, people are queuing again to buy food since not all the merchants are opening due to the fear of looting and obviously due to discontent. The same story of what happened in "Puente Llaguno" is repeated again:

The most disturbing video of an attack by colectivos in Caracas protected by the National Guard
versionfinal.com.ve

El video más inquietante de un ataque de colectivos en Caracas amparados por la Guardia Nacional - Diario Versión Final

Un grupo de hombres armados abrió fuego en repetidas ocasiones contra manifestantes opositores en las cercanías de Santa Capilla en la Avenida Urdaneta de
versionfinal.com.ve versionfinal.com.ve

A group of armed men repeatedly opened fire on opposition protesters in the vicinity of Santa Capilla on Urdaneta Avenue in Caracas. The fact was quickly replicated by Venezuelan journalists and citizens becoming viral in a few seconds.

This is how the coup d'état began that April 11, exactly the same "by some government gunmen."... even the angle of the camera is the same... this symbology or parallelism, I don't know, is incredible.

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Well, excuse me if I have generated confusion, it's just that I want to understand beyond a simple answer "won the majority and that's it" before so many nuances that are lived here. And not because I agree that there was fraud or intervention by Russia or China. I haven't been brainwashed yet 🤣 . I hope I've made that clearer.
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In addition to what Irjo said, it could be simpler, even though he won, not everyone sees things the same way and the situation in the country is not the best... he won by around 5%, so you have a mass that is not entirely satisfied... if you add to that the foreign incitement and the media against him overexaggerating the situation that is indeed hot in some places, you have what you have now.
 
irjO said:
I understand as a Venezuelan myself, I had to do a LOT of work years ago to see things clearer, my entire family and circle dislike the government to begin with. And I wanted to see the bigger picture, but I found out it was a simple equation.
Before Chavez there was this “republicans and democrats” scenario, 2 main political parties Acción Democrática and Copei, they were the same but with different names, it was an illusionary democracy, and basically (those parties) were of the upper class interest only. Chavez came with a third political party MVR (now PSUV) and changed things and the rest you know it.
However opposition never changed on its core. It’s the same “consortium”, backed up by the bigger global consortium, just with different faces every time. But they all say the same, have the same speech, do the same thing, same tactics, such as infiltrating protest and killing people to make it seems it was the government faults etc.
When you see the same operation applied on international cases such as Syrians, Russia etc, than it’s easy to discern what’s happening in Venezuela. So at the end it is as simple as Maduro stills there in power because he really does have a majority supporting him!

Let me give you an example: the woke agenda, it’s small minority but very very loud! Every company is LGBTQ, all media are pro DEI, LGBT is everywhere yet they are a minority but it seems or feels otherwise because consortium it’s behind that program and using COINTELPRO for that.

The same is happening with Venezuela, opposition is minority but it feels or seems the other way around because of the same situation. So yes, it’s as simple as “because maduro has the majority of the votes”.
Not even mentioning that they tried to hack the electoral machines and maybe they did altered a bit somehow but they still couldn’t get to hack it enough to do something similar of what they did here in the US with Trump and Biden.
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Pretty much the same in most if not all of Western Europe. A system of managed (explicit ) oppositions where the inbalance (s), as socially perceived, are interchangeably used to keep everything the "same". osit
 
ApotheosisMMC. said:
he won by around 5%, so you have a mass that is not entirely satisfied
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Completely agree! But thinking about it, it’s best to not assume that’s the final number. The system suffered a hack attempt and the final numbers (the 100% of all acts counted) are yet still to be known. It seems their own website is still down after 2 days. So it could be even a bigger percentage or it could end up being smaller.
 
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