Vincent Bridges, Jay Weidner and Gang - Web Pathology

domivr

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I was poking around on netcraft.com when I came across the following sites:

cassiopaeacult- dot - com
cassiopaeacult- dot - net
cassiopaeacult - dot - org

The latter two with no content.

After reading some of the material, it seems V.B. has made it his life's work "exposing" Laura.

Added: after having read more on psychopathy and ponerology all the above is not surprising. By their fruits you shall know them.

There is an article named "The Art of Character Assassination in Cyberspace" on his website, which seems more like a mission statement than anything else.

Dominique.
 

herondancer

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Hi all,

FWIW, I was there for the original raffle and I **know** it
was conducted as carefully and correctly as possible. So anything
you may ever read otherwise is a pure crock of Q#$$%@!!!.

I also had the privilege of visiting the Chateau last year, and in
that time was able to look at a file containing all the documentation
over the raffle and final disposal of the house. What a mess! Every
page turned had me just shaking my head. The shenanigans major and
petty that people were pulling that harmed Ark and Laura, werereally
mind-boggling. Laura cannot talk about it for very strong legal
reasons including protecting innocent people.

Further, though any one of the villains in this sorry affair (and
there were quite a few) were simply acting for their own gain, the
net effect was the beginning of a prolonged attack on the move to
France, to make it as untenable as possible. A crypto-geographic
hyperdimensional seige if there every was one. It is a tribute to
the QFG Chateau group's courage and tenacity that they came through.
We would not be where we are today if they hadn't survived that first year.

I, for one, am grateful for Laura's integrity and grace under fire. Not many people
could stand that kind of attack and keep faith with those she was sworn to protect.
 

brainwave

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That this stuff needs addressing is another sign that pathocracy rules.

Maybe if I didn't know better I might have fallen for the crap spewed by those who spend their time trashing Laura and Ark's work. Then again, cursory digging would have shown that the trashers can do no better. It is telling that it is the disgruntled former members who are basically those whose manipulations were refused are the ones making most of the accusations. Sadly many people reading the stuff from those websites will not have had the opportunity to see for themselves who the true victims are.

I have had the opportunity to see quite a bit. I have been present when a lot of things occured and members left. It's interesting how people will quickly go from being nice to being a totally savage when they don't get what they want.

Those web sites are cases of extreme sour grapes if you ask me. I am personally familiar with the issues surrounding the raffle, including the difficulties of the handover and so on and I can attest that it was all clear. If anyone was a victim in this one, it was Laura and Ark whose assurances for preserving the privacy and safety of innocent people (I have read the documents) makes it difficult to defend themselves publicly.

As for the other stuff, Soros etc, it's so laughable that it requires no rebuttal. Why bother writing books or having a raffle if you have money from such deep pocketed funders?

I could go on and on but I've been around long enough to know that the accusations are all crap. It's either one resonates with this material or not. If not, the gracious thing is to move on and find one's own thing but these people have no sense of grace, no sense of honor. They get their kicks out of trying to defame others.

Ark and Laura's work speaks for itself. "By their fruits, you shall know them." Some people create, others destroy.
 

Wizard

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Hi, I have been reading this thread and thought an independent perspective might assist people.

Laura has taken on and continues to take on a substantial burden to keep Signs and the other websites alive and to get the benefit of her research to as wide an audience as possible. It is extraordinary to see how when she manages to gather some support there is the immediate issue of "cult". When I first started reading her work I would meticulously check as many of her references as possible - it just seemed too good to be true that somebody could exist who was sharing so much with which I resonated so strongly so I had to check. I have never found a misquote or manipulation of a reference. I also found nothing that could have originated from Bridges or Weidner. I gave up checking long ago - I took the first steps of trust as there comes a point where one has to trust based on facts and experience as opposed to distrust based on snide rumour and vicious flaming.

I became aware of all the accusations against Laura and Ark and overtime I was able to make my own assessment as my understanding of the world grew and I started to "see" a bit better. I have also been able to review much of the material referred to by the various "accusers" and in particular the finances related to Perseus and the QFG. I have completed a thorough audit of all the financial transactions involving the House Raffle and Laura and Ark's finances and I can state categorically that (i) there never was a House Raffle scam and (ii) Ark has not and does not receive funds from Soros or any major sponsor. I have 100% trust in Laura and Ark and I consider Laura's only "weakness" (but also her great strength for all of us) to be that she trusted people who did not deserve trust. As Laura has said many times, she know that she trusted the wrong people BUT she has to take the risk otherwise how will she trust the right people.

I hope this assists those who find themselves with their minds caught up mulling over the accusations - it's simple, they are ALL false.
 
Colleen Johnston and Vincent Bridges Trash Laura and cassiopaea

All I gotta say is, you're a lot braver than I, Laura. Looking back, I too was attacked for stuff I was saying on my blog. And I wasn't even saying anything that had anything to do with aliens or hyperdimensional critters. Just pointing out fundamental flaws in the world economy, and what the most likely outcomes would be. Funny, the attacks stopped just as soon as I shut up and stopped posting. Ironically, it was those attacks that led me here. Or maybe it wasn't irony, and there was more than one hand at work.

More than just words though. I suspect that some of the attacks were designed to try to make me lose money too. But they miscalculated there as well. And then there were the improbable events that started happening after I made certain decisions - it was like seeing a series of coin flips and landing on heads, heads, heads, 10 times in a row. Wierd. Maybe someone else would've just dismissed it, but it stuck in my mind, kept bothering me.

I'm sensing more wierdness coming up. My life has gone perpetually wierd now. Well, like Buckaroo Banzai said, "When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro."
 
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I spend weeks and weeks on the C's pages and have read a lot of material.
I was interested in the books of laura and I have red Amazing Grace, Secret History of the world.since for years I have been reading Alernative news and books about religion and history( I have read david Ickes work, Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell) as there was always this question in me: why didnt we change after so long? Why dont we learn from the past? Why do we make pedastals for men like Napoleon, Alexander the Great..........? Why do, in my opinion, the wrong people win Nobel prizes for peace but most of all the question I have from my childhood? Where are the woman in History? Man made the history so the history is far from complete.

I was glad I 'stumbled' spend days and days reading most of the articles on SOTT and the C's.....................
Then I found this forum, and I joined not som long ago .

But you know I am dissapointed.
I am so dissapointed of all the accusations.
I better can ask you the question: who is not COINTELPRO?
Or who says: the SOTT and Laura and Ark and the C's are not COINTELPRO.

laura: your reply above reminds me of a child crying, screaming and complaining after its mother has accused you of doing something bad. A long cry:'It was not me doing this but she did it'.
Like siblings do!
I find this very immature and I am dissapointed in your social intelligence.


laura said:
I should also note that I, as a woman, have been the particular target of Bridges and Gang. Yes, they will say all kinds of negative things about my husband, the SOTT team etc, but I am the main target. There is no limit to the filth and degradation that they subject me to. And sadly, that includes my children as well.
These particulair sentences made me mad.
You scream for pityness: look at what they do to me and my children!!!!

Well Laura what 'they are doing' to you and your children is your choise. And your choise alone.
You yourself have choosen to do research, to inverstigate, to go on the world wide web, to be a 'channeler' Nobody forced you into doing this! You made a choise to publish all the material.
By doing this you could have thaught of the risks there where.
You could have thought of the risks your children are in.
And it is your choise to put your children in such a danger as you describe.

So laura, dont complain about that. You have a choise.

laura said:
I have spent a small fortune on doctors just to deal with the stress
So dont complain about the docters bill's because you have so many stress.
You yourselves allow it to become stressfull. You are a grownup woman with 5 children, you are responsible for your own health. You yourself are responsible for your own deeds. Nobody else. That is the attitude of an adult mother and woman. So dont blame others.

Now you can response with a lot of intelectuel material from Lobaczewski or whatever intelectuel.
I warn you that I will not be impressed.

there is a South Africain writer and painter: Breyten Breytenbach who spend a lot of years in prison during the Apartheid said talking about his experiences with his Apartheid regime, laywers and highly intelectuel people:
ISTEAD OF HAVING A BACKBONE THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF DEGREES.
Now in Dutch and South Africain language the word for backbone and degree IS the same.
Backbone= graad
Degree= graat.

Where there is fire there is smoke.
 
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mareiki

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i have forgotten this:

When I first heard your voice I didnt find your voice sympathetic.
A picture of Kate Banes appeared for me.
Why Kate Banes I wondered?
Well the kate Banes in the film Misery.
I trust my first feelings about a person but i always give the benefit of the doubt.
After this i go back to my first feelings.
 

Ben

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Calm yourself, Mareiki. Laura doesn't whine and complain, she provides more information allowing the readers to gain a better understanding of the material. Attacks can be an important indicator of the truth in a world like ours.

Right now YOU are whining and complaining, and it's not contributing a great deal. Might I suggest you examine your emotional reaction, because it seems to me that YOU certainly don't have to be here and strive for objectivity either.

If you heard my voice right now you wouldn't think I was very sympathetic towards pathocrats, either, I just watched the Helicopter video from today's Signs page.
 

anart

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Mareiki,

I find myself a bit befuddled at these judgements of yours. When you say...

Mareiki said:
These particulair sentences made me mad.
You scream for pityness: look at what they do to me and my children!!!!

Well Laura what 'they are doing' to you and your children is your choise. And your choise alone.
You yourself have choosen to do research, to inverstigate, to go on the world wide web, to be a 'channeler' Nobody forced you into doing this! You made a choise to publish all the material.
By doing this you could have thaught of the risks there where.
You could have thought of the risks your children are in.
And it is your choise to put your children in such a danger as you describe.

So laura, dont complain about that. You have a choise.
Are you saying that it is her fault that she has been the target of attack? Are you saying that if she had just remained quiet and not searched for the truth that she would have been left alone, so she got what she deserved? Are you really hoisting all blame for the damage done by liars and manipulators over the years on the victim? This truly makes no sense to me - as if you believe that it is not a woman's place to drag the truth out into the light, and that since Laura has dedicated her life to this practice, she gets what she deserves. I hope I am misunderstanding you, because if this is what you are saying, you are in a dark place indeed.


Also,

Mareiki said:
Now you can response with a lot of intelectuel material from Lobaczewski or whatever intelectuel.
I warn you that I will not be impressed.
It seems that you have been 'scratched' in recent days on this forum when you ran into some disagreement and you are now so upset that you have stopped thinking at all - so much so as to not even consider, think about or 'be impressed' with the psychological aspects of the thinly veiled hatred that you've just spewed onto the forum. How can it be that you cannot understand that disagreement with your views on a subject does not mean that there is disagreement with who you are, or who you may be. By saying that no matter what Laura might say about your post, even if she brings Lobaczewski into the mix, you will not be impressed, you are saying that your harsh judgement is final; your cup is full; you views on one subject were not coddled and supported, so now all the information contained in this forum is trash.

That is a very sad thing, in my opinion - to lose so much over so little - or so it seems to me.
 

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mareiki said:
I am so dissapointed of all the accusations.
You were not reading carefully. These are not accusations. These are data and results of analysis of these data.

mareiki said:
I better can ask you the question: who is not COINTELPRO?
Most of the people on the planet. You certainly know it. But apparently you choose to forget when it is convenient.

mareiki said:
Or who says: the SOTT and Laura and Ark and the C's are not COINTELPRO.
I say so. And I can provide arguments to support my statement.

mareiki said:
laura: your reply above reminds me of a child crying, screaming and complaining after its mother has accused you of doing something bad. A long cry:'It was not me doing this but she did it'.
You did not read carefully. We are not children, and when we write something, it is the result of long studies and experience.

mareiki said:
Like siblings do!
I find this very immature and I am dissapointed in your social intelligence.
You did not read carefully. We are not children, and when we write something, it is the result of long studies and experience.

mareiki said:
laura said:
I should also note that I, as a woman, have been the particular target of Bridges and Gang. Yes, they will say all kinds of negative things about my husband, the SOTT team etc, but I am the main target. There is no limit to the filth and degradation that they subject me to. And sadly, that includes my children as well.
These particulair sentences made me mad.
Because you did not read carefully. What Laura has said is based on facts. Read the Adventures series. And if you are not getting it - read it again.

mareiki said:
You scream for pityness: look at what they do to me and my children!!!!
You did not read. Only a psychopath would write what VB did.

mareiki said:
Well Laura what 'they are doing' to you and your children is your choise.
You can say the same about the War in Iraq. It is YOUR choice. But is it?

mareiki said:
And your choise alone.
Wrong. Fault in logical thinking. It was a choice of psychopatic individuals. And it continues to be.

mareiki said:
You yourself have choosen to do research, to inverstigate, to go on the world wide web, to be a 'channeler' Nobody forced you into doing this!
That is true. But it was a choice of psychopaths to choose lies and to spread lies.

mareiki said:
You made a choise to publish all the material.
That is true. But it was a choice of psychopaths and liars to choose us as their target.

mareiki said:
By doing this you could have thaught of the risks there where.
When you are born - it is a risk. It is impossible to predict what you will have to face.
Yet you have a choice: follow the line of the truth or follow the line of the lie. There are risks in everything.
But the future is open. Don't you know it? You certainly know it, but you find it convenient to forget when it serves your
agenda.

mareiki said:
You could have thought of the risks your children are in.
When we have children, there are all kind of risks. For instance they may be attacked by a mad dog.
But when this happens, it is our duty to defend them. That is what we do. And we warn others
about the mad dogs.

mareiki said:
And it is your choise to put your children in such a danger as you describe.
When you are born - it is a risk. It is impossible to predict what you will have to face.
Yet you have a choice: follow the line of the truth or follow the line of the lie. There are risks in everything.
But the future is open. Don't you know it? You certainly know it, but you find it convenient to forget when it serves your
point.

mareiki said:
So laura, dont complain about that. You have a choise.
Telling people the truth, for a good reason, in order to warn them, is not complaining. You
are missing the point.

mareiki said:
laura said:
I have spent a small fortune on doctors just to deal with the stress
So dont complain about the docters bill's because you have so many stress.
Telling people the truth, for a good reason, in order to warn them, is not complaining. You
are missing the point.

mareiki said:
You yourselves allow it to become stressfull. You are a grownup woman with 5 children, you are responsible for your own health.
Telling people the truth, for a good reason, in order to warn them, is not complaining. You
are missing the point.

mareiki said:
You yourself are responsible for your own deeds. Nobody else.
You are missing the point. Lack of logical thinking. We are not responsible for the actions of psychopaths in this world.
And when we learn something about them, it is our duty to share our knowledge with other people.

mareiki said:
That is the attitude of an adult mother and woman. So dont blame others.
You are missing the point. Lack of logical thinking. We are not responsible for the actions of psychopaths in this world.
And when we learn something about them, it is our duty to share our knowledge with other people.


mareiki said:
Now you can response with a lot of intelectuel material from Lobaczewski or whatever intelectuel.
I warn you that I will not be impressed.
You are missing the point. It is not our aim to impress you. Our aim is to search for the truth.
 
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ben said:
Right now YOU are whining and complaining
You misunderstand something here. I am not complaining about myself.


Anart, you sound very sincere. In fact all your posts sounds sincere to me.
I can understand you very well. In your perspective you are right.
In mine: I am of the same age as laura, even born in the same mounth, same year. i am a mother as well.
As a mother the first thing is to take care of your children. As a mother I am responsable for my childrens welfare untilll they go their own way.
That is the first priority.If my children would be in danger because of what i was doing I would stop doing this to protect my children.
even if that was the intention of whatever COINTELPROgroup would do!
I would give up for the sake of my children. it would be my first priority.
saving the world by unveiling the lies is perfect.

If you do what Laura does you always must be aware of the danger.
So continuing doing what you do even if you know the dangers is really your own choise.
Of course laura didnt ask for provocations but being a truthseeker you just MUST know that. If you dont you are naif.

anart said:
so now all the information contained in this forum is trash.
You said it. not I.

It seems that you have been 'scratched'
No I am not scratched. But i am not easily impressed by intelectual answers. In fact when intelectual answers appear it is a sign for ME to let go the discussion because in my experience it never led to anything but more intelectuel words.................and in the end a discussion leads so often into a monologue.
i have learned the less words....the better.
the more words, the more there is to hide IMO...............................
 

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mareiki said:
As a mother the first thing is to take care of your children.
Teaching your children how to distuinguish lies from truth is the main thing in taking care of your children. If you teach your children how to subside to lies, then you are not taking care about them. You are damaging them.

You are mmissing the point again.
 

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mareiki said:
i have learned the less words....the better.
the more words, the more there is to hide IMO...............................
Wrong. And probably you know it, but you choose to forget it, because it serves your agenda. How many words the dictionary has? 100,000?
These are not to hide. These are to explain terms.
 

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mareiki said:
i have learned the less words....the better.
the more words, the more there is to hide IMO...............................
It's true sometimes. But it's usually not the case. The party in George Orwell's 1984 introduced Newspeak. They were also convinced that the less words...the better.

The basic idea behind Newspeak was to remove all shades of meaning from language, leaving simple dichotomies (pleasure and pain, happiness and sadness, good thoughts and thoughtcrimes) which reinforce the total dominance of the State. A staccato rhythm of short syllables was also a goal, further reducing the need for deep thinking about language. Successful Newspeak meant that there would be fewer and fewer words -- dictionaries would get thinner and thinner.

But I am sure you don't mean it that way.
 

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An interesting article that seems to relate to the present interaction:

BEYOND INSANITY

Amos M. Gunsberg

We used to call them psychopaths --- these creatures that appear on our planet physically in human form, but are not human beings.

We noted they are amoral. That should have given us a clue.

We noted they do not FEEL feelings. That should have instructed us.

We noted they are heartless. That should have set off the alarm.

These creatures lack elements which distinguish the human being. They exhibit no connection with, no understanding of what we call "morality," "honesty," "decency," "fair play," etc. They lack the faculty we call empathy. They lack the faculty we call introspection.

Mankind has spent centuries trying to make sense of these creatures as some form of human being. All in vain. Not only in vain, but at enormous on-going cost to our civilization. These creatures are not human beings gone wrong. They are a different species . . . dedicated to the murder of human values . . . as a prelude to the murder of human beings . . . e.g., the tactics used by Nazis, past and present.

They laugh at us. They say: "No one understands us. People can't put themselves in the minds of men who act without a conscience. They try to understand, but they can't."

These creatures do not THINK human. They do not SPEAK human. They do not know what it is to BE human.

We classify them as "humanoid."

Yes, they have human form. If we manage to resist their onslaught long enough, we will eventually develop technical scanning equipment which will measure how different they are from human beings, despite their similarity of form.

In the meantime, the quality of our lives . . . and often our very lives . . . depends on our recognizing these creatures for what they are, and taking steps to neutralize their attempts to destroy us.
EVIDENCE OF HUMANOID BEHAVIOR

They make pronouncements without substantiation. To them, these pronouncements represent what reality is . . . pronouncement by pronouncement. The present pronouncement may contradict what they said a moment ago. This means nothing to them. They make no attempt to deal with the contradiction.

They demonstrate a total lack of understanding what we mean by a "fact." In their writings and in their speech, they do not use that word.

We humans find this hard to believe. The use of facts is such a basic part of our lives. We base our conclusions and our actions on them. We go on from there to test things and establish more facts. When we debate, we present facts, and show how we derive our observations and our positions from them.

Without facts, all we have is what we call "fantasy."

Since these creatures have a human appearance, we assume they must think like us . . . be aware of what we are aware. We think they MUST know what facts are. When they don't address the facts, we say they are playing a game. We think they do know what the facts are, but don't want to admit it.

Not so! They DON'T know what a fact is. When we speak of facts and ask them to address the facts, they look at us with vacant eyes. They don't know what we're talking about.

They study us because their strategy is to pass as human. They hear us use the words -- facts, evidence, substantiation. They lack the human capacity to understand what we mean. What they do is ignore our reference to facts, ignore our requests for them to supply facts, and hope we won't notice it's due to their lack of comprehension.

Let's look at examples of what THEY use for what WE mean by "facts."

The Association for the Advancement of Gestalt Therapy (AAGT) held an open conference at which three "master" therapists worked with three volunteers. Dr. Jeffrey A. Schaler published a critique entitled "BAD THERAPY" in which he cited examples not only of bad therapy, but also of systematic abuse of a volunteer by the "master" therapist. (The Interpsych Newsletter, Vol 2, Issue 9, Nov 95.) On their official Internet mail list (aagt@netride.com), members of the Association launched an attack on Dr. Schaler, culminating in their adoption of the slogan: "Saving Gestalt Therapy from Jeff Schaler," used as the subject line in a discussion thread. Under this heading they "SAVED" Gestalt therapy by sending in e-mails labeling Jeff Schaler as "arrogant, snide, hair-splitting, nit-picking, disturbed, mean- spirited, ranting, self-serving," etc.

When asked how this labeling "SAVED" Gestalt therapy, they ignored the question. When asked in what way Gestalt therapy was endangered by Jeff Schaler, they ignored the question.

It became clear they thoroughly believed their pronouncements erased not only the evidence presented but also erased Jeff Schaler himself. They "pronounced" him to be no longer in existence. For them, whatever they "declare" is what's real. What WE call reality is not real to them. THEY "pronounce" what is to be considered real.

Here's another example. I asked a psychotherapy client to look at a chair which was situated about six feet away near a wall. I then asked her to describe the chair. She did, in rather complete detail, except for the legs. THE CHAIR SHE DESCRIBED HAD NO LEGS!

I pointed this out, and asked how the chair could be suspended in air, with no legs to support it. She said: "I put it there." I asked: "If you look away, will it fall to the floor?" She said: "No. If I look away, the chair is no longer there." I asked: "If you look away . . . and it turns out the chair is still there?" She ignored the question.

Here's another example. During a discussion on CD@maelstrom.stjohns.edu earlier this year, the statement was made: "If enough people believe something to be true, then what they believe is what reality IS."

A question was then asked: "There was a time when everyone, as far as we know, believed the sun revolved around the earth. Are you saying at that time the sun did, in fact, revolve around the earth . . . and it was only in obedience to a change in what people believed that the earth came to revolve around the sun?"

The question was ignored.

You might think their refusals to answer constitute an admission . . . an admission what they are saying is totally outlandish and indefensible. Experience has shown you would be wrong. Experience has shown they go right on making the same statements, even after evidence is produced to the contrary.

You see how different these creatures are? You see how far off their thinking and behavior are from human thinking and behavior?

Nothing of what WE call reality is real to THEM.

I repeat.

Nothing of what we call reality is REAL to them.

When a human being mentions a chair, the reference is to a chair that sits there on its own legs. It's there whether anyone sees it or not, whether anyone mentions it or not, whether anyone "declares" it to be there or not. It's there ON ITS OWN.

A basic element in the profile of humanoids is their lack of comprehension that anything exists on its own, separate from their say-so. They don't SEE it. The only objects humanoids see are the ones they "declare" . . . the ones they imagine.

We use the phrase "my perception" to mean an appraisal, a measurement of something separate from ourselves. We don't announce it as "fact." We are open to consider other views if given facts to consider.

Humanoids use the phrase "my perception" as a buzz word. They imagine what they choose, and tell us it is their "perception" . . . which, in their minds, ESTABLISHES reality. What we call "facts" do not exist for them. That's why they whine and claim they are being attacked whenever substantiation is requested.

Humanoids claim their statements are valid simply because they make them!!! They elaborate on this: "I honor integrity in this regard. As an egoist, I make statements which are valid to me. Validity to my 'self' comes first. I grant other people this same respect assuming they say things valid to themselves."

Among human beings, for something to be deemed valid it has to be substantiated with facts. Nothing is valid simply because someone says it.

When humanoids are asked how they determine what someone says is valid to that person, and not something made up or imagined, they ignore the question.

Note the strange use of the word "integrity." Humans define integrity as uprightness of character; probity; honesty. We refer to sticking to the facts, sticking to the truth, not selling out. Humanoids use "integrity" to mean insisting what they imagine is what's real. No measurement. No evaluation.

When the demand is made for their pronouncements to be evaluated, they claim the confronter is the one who has no integrity . . . meaning the confronter is not upholding THEIR position: what THEY imagine is what's real.

On what basis do they claim this? Humanoids treat the world as if it were their own private holodeck. They "declare" things into being. Everything is a hologram. They program the holograms. They interact with them in any way they choose. They have them under total control. When they decide to cancel a hologram, it vanishes.

A hologram is a hologram is a hologram. A hologram is not supposed to have the ability to think for itself. A hologram is not supposed to have the ability to measure, evaluate, appraise, etc. Most importantly, a hologram is not supposed to be able to break out of its holographic state and critique its master.

When this does happen, they first chastise it to bring it back into line. If that doesn't work, they "vanish" it. When that fails, they run for cover by abandoning the program and calling up another one.

Experience has shown no matter what we say, no matter what we point out, no matter how much evidence is given, it has no meaning for these creatures. They have one goal: to fool us into classifying them as human so they can concentrate on murdering our human values. Without human values, the next step is murdering human beings.

In the film "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers," aliens are shown to be taking over by occupying the bodies of human beings. The aliens take over not only the physical body but also the mind, memories, abilities, etc. In every way the people seem to be the same as always, except for one thing. They mention events, but with no feeling of them or about them. THEY DO NOT FEEL FEELINGS.

We see a child struggling to get away from what appears to be its mother. The next day they walk hand-in-hand. The child has been taken over.

The lovers in the film try to stay awake so they won't be taken over. She succumbs . . . and "she," now a creature, tries to fool him. When she doesn't fool him, she tries to betray him.

These creatures do not FEEL alive. They do not FEEL feelings. In order to pass as humans, they know they have to give the appearance of knowing they are alive. Their only recourse is to DECLARE they are alive.

The declaration does not produce the quality of FEELING alive. They still don't FEEL feelings. The only thing they have to go on, to refer to, is their own declaration. If "declaring" is shown to be insufficient . . . if they are called upon to discuss feelings, give evidence of feelings, distinguish between feelings, etc., they are lost. Their inner emptiness is apparent. Their un-human status is exposed.

Here's a final example. In the course of a discussion on psych-ci@maelstrom.stjohns.edu some time ago, a humanoid said: "You hurt my feelings." The humanoid was asked to identify the exact statements, and explain in what way these statements caused hurt to what particular feelings. Answer: (Whining) "I've said you hurt my feelings. I don't know what else to say. ... You are attacking."

Question: "In what way do you a consider a request for substantiation and clarification to be an attack?"

No answer.
AN OVERVIEW

Humanoids -

1. Make pronouncements without substantiation. These pronouncements are to be accepted as defining what reality is . . moment by moment.
2. Ignore requests to provide the basis for their pronouncements.
3. Sneer at the human valuing of facts, honesty, decency, fair play.
4. Applaud the use of lies, deceit, etc.
5. Whine they are being "attacked" whenever they are questioned. Give no explanation of what the "attack" is or of what is being attacked.
6. Do not FEEL feelings.
7. View the world as their private holodeck.
8. Apply themselves to keeping humans in their place --- namely, insignificance.

FURTHER CONSIDERATIONS

Humanoids do not understand the distinction we humans make between good and evil. When they harm us, they do not understand why we call them evil. They do not understand why we have laws against murder. Their approach is to boast, even moralize over their victims.

Since they do not understand the reason for such laws, they argue they cannot be held accountable for their actions.

Not so. While they take the position the law does not apply to them, they do know the law was enacted to apply to everyone. Furthermore, if they try to claim they didn't know there was such a law, we respond with a firmly established principle: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."

When they use those arguments, they make it clear they will continue to operate in accordance with their structure. We may look for remorse (a human capacity). We find none. They do not think of themselves as promulgating evil. They are simply doing what it is in their structure to do. The rattlesnake does not think of itself as evil when it injects poison. It is simply doing what it is in its structure to do.

Experience has shown humanoids continue to behave in the ways of their species . . murdering human values as a prelude to murdering human beings. Nazis demonstrate this graphically.

The issue as to whether to hold them "accountable," in our human sense of the word, has to be divided into two parts. We do not hold them accountable for BEING what they are. We do hold them accountable for the damage they DO.

When a dog gets rabies, we don't hold the dog accountable for becoming rabid. What we do, as a matter of self-protection, is put the dog down BEFORE it bites us, BEFORE it infects us.

We do not hold the rattlesnake accountable for HAVING poison fangs. What we do, as a matter of self-protection, is kill the rattlesnake BEFORE it kills us.

So with the humanoid. We need to be on our guard at the first sign of a murder of human values.



Amos M. Gunsberg is a psychotherapist and trainer of psychotherapists in New York City since 1950. He is a founder of the School for Quality Being. His address is 61 West 74th St., New York, N.Y. 10023-2433 USA. E-mail: clubking@ix.netcom.com

This article first appeared in PsychNews International, Volume 2, Issue 5. Reprinted with permission.
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