Violence at Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia

[quote author=luc]
[quote author=obyvatel]
These are different times. In the US, even if things are allowed to devolve to a degree with respect to street violence, it would most likely be stemmed with the military being called in. The situation has to get worse enough so that people no longer complain about their freedoms being taken away. That is the kind of worst case scenario I can envisage here.

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Another example for a worst case that comes to mind is the Bosnian conflict; here too, the military got involved, but there were various other military and paramilitary groups that formed. What happened, if I understand correctly, is exactly what you described: regular people becoming butchers of women and children, on all sides. Notice that this was sort of a "color revolution" as well with various outside forces igniting the fire.


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Yes, militias always form at times of chaos and mayhem. The difference I think between the situation in former Yugoslavia vs the US today is that the US has more military might. If they want, they can crush any militia that can be formed. If there is continued chaos and mayhem within the country, the ability to project military and economic power on a global scale is essentially gone. And that would not serve the interests of the more powerful and influential cabals. So they would not like sustained large scale mayhem and chaos and they would do whatever they can to prevent it. That is why I said the worst case situation will be allowed to devolve to a degree, just enough so that people do not complain about loss of freedom that comes with the likes of martial law, curfews, and abolishment of constitutional rights like free speech, right to assembly etc.

The thing about big natural disasters is that by themselves, such events tend to unite common people rather than separate them. Kind of like man against nature rather than man against man, left against right etc. It is likely that cooperation among groups helped those groups survive such events in the ancient past. So archaic survival instincts promoting cooperation honed by evolution would likely kick in.
 
It's interesting to observe how many of the prominent anti-establishment figures out there are not "seeing the unseen", and falling for the setup.

I'm not surprised to see Eric Draitser touting the "Trump is supporting Nazis" thing to his followers. He's been in many ways off track for some time now, and I'm starting to suspect, based on his aggressive writings, that he is planted opposition – a double agent of sorts. Perhaps this is the time for him to become "activated" and do what he was hired/brainwashed for. I'm sure there are many planted guys like him out there.

One that did surprise me a tiny bit, was Abby Martin. She's also jumped on the Trump=fascism thing, if I'm not mistaken.

This scenario is like something directly from Political Ponerology, with conversive thinking and ponerogenesis in full swing.
 
Gurdjieff talked about the revolutionary psychosis too didn't he?If memory serves,he said that in every society there comes a time when people go insane and begin to destroy everything that was built over decades or centuries.
 
Hindsight Man said:
Gurdjieff talked about the revolutionary psychosis too didn't he?If memory serves,he said that in every society there comes a time when people go insane and begin to destroy everything that was built over decades or centuries.

Your memory serves you correctly:
Gurdjieff said:
"The fact is that the enormous majority of people do not want any knowledge whatever; they refuse their share of it and do not even take the ration allotted to them, in the general distribution, for the purposes of life. This is particularly evident in times of mass madness such as wars, revolutions, and so on, when men suddenly seem to lose even the small amount of common sense they had and turn into complete automatons, giving themselves over to wholesale destruction in vast numbers, in other words, even losing the instinct of self-preservation. Owing to this, enormous quantities of knowledge remain, so to speak, unclaimed and can be distributed among those who realize its value.

"There is nothing unjust in this, because those who receive knowledge take nothing that belongs to others, deprive others of nothing; they take only what others have rejected as useless and what would in any case be lost if they did not take it.

"The collecting of knowledge by some depends upon the rejection of knowledge by others.

"There are periods in the life of humanity, which generally coincide with the beginning of the fall of cultures and civilizations, when the masses irretrievably lose their reason and begin to destroy everything that has been created by centuries and millenniums of culture. Such periods of mass madness, often coinciding with geological cataclysms, climatic changes, and similar phenomena of a planetary character, release a very great quantity of the matter of knowledge. This, in its turn, necessitates the work of collecting this matter of knowledge which would otherwise be lost. Thus the work of collecting scattered matter of knowledge frequently coincides with the beginning of the destruction and fall of cultures and civilizations.

"This aspect of the question is clear. The crowd neither wants nor seeks knowledge, and the leaders of the crowd, in their own interests, try to strengthen its fear and dislike of everything new and unknown. The slavery in which mankind lives is based upon this fear. It is even difficult to imagine all the horror of this slavery. We do not understand what people are losing. But in order to understand the cause of this slavery it is enough to see how people live, what constitutes the aim of their existence, the object of their desires, passions, and aspirations, of what they think, of what they talk, what they serve and what they worship."
 
Sen. Robert Byrd, the longest-serving member in the history of the United States Congress, was also an avid recruiter for the KKK whose title was "Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops"--and Hillary Clinton's self-proclaimed "mentor". So... since she's out of work, maybe she could be the poster-child for uniting those Radical Leftists and White Supremacists:
 
Joe said:
Bobo08 said:
I came up with a few reasons, so I will list them here for the sake of discussion.

Another possible reason to set the US 'on fire' in this way now is to have well-established opposing camps already at each others' throats for the time when external forces cause serious social chaos in the US (i.e. volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, meteorites) and there is no food in the stores etc. By establishing the opposing factions in this way, the 'elite' can be more confident that the people will fight among themselves and not against the government, with the government in the role of 'peace keeper'.

That makes perfect sense, that these violent groups were at the ready for any situation that would come up. For sure, they would want them in the wings for the upcoming Earth changes, at the very least. But it seems that maybe Trump has forced their hand somewhat. If you think of it, they are sitting on corruption and treason on a biblical scale, and if they were to sit back and do nothing, there is a good chance that Trump and his people would unearth that.
 
Aragorn said:
It's interesting to observe how many of the prominent anti-establishment figures out there are not "seeing the unseen", and falling for the setup.

I'm not surprised to see Eric Draitser touting the "Trump is supporting Nazis" thing to his followers. He's been in many ways off track for some time now, and I'm starting to suspect, based on his aggressive writings, that he is planted opposition – a double agent of sorts. Perhaps this is the time for him to become "activated" and do what he was hired/brainwashed for. I'm sure there are many planted guys like him out there.

One that did surprise me a tiny bit, was Abby Martin. She's also jumped on the Trump=fascism thing, if I'm not mistaken.

This scenario is like something directly from Political Ponerology, with conversive thinking and ponerogenesis in full swing.

It's been a repeating pattern for years. Everytime there is a polarizing event where extra discernment is needed, some "truth" seekers and tellers get caught in the trap and become absorbed in the blob with an observable deterioration. STS needs new blood to continue to exist and to some extant, this is what seems to be happening again and again.
 
Joe said:
Here's the guy from the Vice documentary on the scene in Charlottesville who supposedly organized the march and was acting all macho and white supremacyish.

The really sad thing is that there isn't even a warrant out for his arrest.

As I said when the Vice docu was posted here:

Remember that these people are the EXTREME right. They're completely ridiculous (as should be obvious from the video) and not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. They have been around for a long time and are generally the object of ridicule, including from the 'right'. They said this was their biggest demonstration in 20 years. There were about 300 of them there. Not exactly a mass popular movement.

And as I wrote on FB in ref to this video:

Can everyone please quit with the hysterical 'White supremacists are taking over America" nonsense that is being sown by the media. It is patently obvious to any rational human being that these 'white supremacists' are brain-dead idiots and the idea that they could 'take over America' is utter horsesh*t.


Facebook has banned the Facebook and Instagram accounts of a white nationalist who attended the rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, that ended in deadly violence. Facebook spokeswoman Ruchika Budhraja tells The Associated Press that the profile pages of Christopher Cantwell have been removed as well as a page connected to his podcast. Cantwell was featured in a Vice News documentary about the rally and its aftermath.

Facebook bans white nationalist's accounts over hate speech
https://www.mail.com/news/politics/5445110-facebook-bans-white-nationalists-accounts-hate-spe.html#.7518-stage-hero1-11

Facebook has also removed at least eight pages connected to the white nationalist movement over what Budhraja says were violations on the company's polices on hate speech and organizations. Cantwell, of Keene, New Hampshire, was listed on rally flyers and labeled an extremist by the Southern Poverty Law Center. A former information technology worker who moved to New Hampshire from New York in 2012, the 36-year-old Cantwell describes himself as a white nationalist and said he voted for President Donald Trump. He has a podcast and blog that promote his views.

Cantwell says Facebook shut down his account in an attempt to silence him for his views. He also said his PayPal account had been closed. The company wouldn't confirm that because it has a policy of not commenting on the status of accounts.

"I'm not surprised by almost any of this because the whole thing we are complaining about here is that we are trying to express our views, and everybody is going through extraordinary lengths to make sure we are not heard," Cantwell said in a phone interview from an undisclosed location.

"Frankly, whatever you think of my views, that is very scary to me," he said. "Facebook and Instagram is one thing but not being able to participate in the financial system because of your political opinions is something that, you know, people should worry about in America."


Payments giants disable support for sites that promote hate or sell items glorifying white supremacists

Apple Pay, PayPal cut off sites linked to white supremacists
https://www.cnet.com/news/daily-stormer-nazi-offline-cloudflare-pulls-support-racist-charlottesville/

Apple and PayPal are taking aim at websites that sell apparel glorifying white nationalists and support hate groups.

Apple has disabled Apple Pay support for several websites that sell sweaters and T-shirts with Nazi symbols and "white pride." The move comes on the heels of the violent white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, which culminated in the death of a woman on Saturday.

Apple confirmed it pulled support from the sites, noting that their activity violated long-standing Apple Pay community guidelines. Apple CEO Tim Cook was quite vocal about his feelings in a tweet Monday, calling the terror of white supremacists and racist violence "an affront to America," adding, "We must all stand against it."

Earlier Wednesday, payments giant PayPal said it would disable its service on sites that accept payments or raise funds to promote hate, violence and intolerance.

"Regardless of the individual or organisation in question, we work to ensure that our services are not used to accept payments or donations for activities that promote hate, violence, or racial intolerance," the company said in a statement. "This includes organisations that advocate racist views, such as the KKK, white supremacist groups, or Nazi groups."

Apple and PayPal are the latest companies seeking to quash white supremacist activity on the web. Reddit and Facebook have each banned entire hate groups in the wake of the Charlottesville attack, and on Monday, GoDaddy and Google pulled the domain for the neo-Nazi site The Daily Stormer. Prior to the Charlottesville protest, Airbnb quietly began deactivating accounts renting out their properties for white supremacist parties in the city.


This weekend, more Alt-Right rallies are scheduled across the nation.

Here’s Where Massive Alt-Right Rallies Are Planned Across the Country This Weekend
http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/civil-war-alt-right-rallies-08162017

UPDATE: Zero Hedge reports that some of the rallies have been postponed, including the one in Mountain View, CA, according to organizers.

As the Mercury News reports, the “Peaceful March on Google” has been postponed “due to credible Alt Left terrorist threats for the safety of our citizen participants,” the group wrote in a blog post. The group is protesting against the recent termination of engineer James Damore over a memo claiming which slammed the search giant for its “anti-conservative” bias and claimed a biological basis for the gender gap in tech.

From the blog: Despite our clear and straightforward statements denouncing bigotry and hatred, CNN and other mainstream media made malicious and false statements that our peaceful march was being organized by Nazi sympathizers. Following the articles, credible threats from known Alt Left terrorist groups have been reported to and relevant authorities have been notified.

In one instance, an Alt Left threat was made to use an automobile to drive into our peaceful march. (source)

The first of the batch will be protesting Google’s firing of James Damore for his criticism of their diversity policy. The March on Google is to protest “anti-white-male diversity policies.” These will be held in:
•Atlanta
•Austin
•Boston
•Los Angeles
•Mountain View, California
•New York
•Pittsburgh
•Seattle
•Washington, D.C.

The organizers of these events are trying to distance themselves from the event in Charlottesville.

“We, the organizers of the March on Google, join the President in condemning the actions in Charlottesville on August 12th. Despite many false rumors from those seeking to discredit us we are in no way associated with any group who organized there.” (source)

But, reading the tweets of people planning to attend, it seems that the potential attendees share similar philosophies with the people in Charlottesville. This means, regardless of the intentions of the organizers, things are likely to get ugly.

These may not be the only upcoming events.

According to CNN, two other events will be upcoming:

•Boston is preparing for a rally from alt-right group Boston Free Speech on Saturday. The city mayor has said the city won’t tolerate racism, bigotry, and violence.

•San Francisco is preparing for two rallies August 26 and August 27. Mayor Edwin Lee said the city can’t condone a rally that incites hate. “I ask that when they chant of hate, San Francisco chants of love. When they talk of despair, San Francisco talks about hope.”

Not only these events will occur, but there is talk of widespread removal of civil war monuments, renaming of streets and buildings, and other incendiary actions that will almost certainly result in further rage.

Another rally is being planned for September 16 in Richmond, Virginia, around a monument to Confederate General Robert E. Lee to protest the removal of similar statues from public spaces in Civil War–era Southern states. White supremacist Richard Spencer is also seeking permission to speak next month at the University of Florida. (source)

Counterprotests are being planned in response to the rally in Boston as well, with the Black Lives Matter civil rights group saying they will march against the alt-right. (source)


A “White Lives Matter” rally scheduled at Texas A&M University for Sept. 11 has been called off over “risks of threat to life and safety,” the school says.

Texas A&M Cancels Sept. 11 ‘White Lives Matter’ Rally Over Safety Concerns
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/15/543641126/texas-a-m-cancels-sept-11-white-lives-matter-rally-over-safety-concerns

The white nationalist rally, organized by former Texas A&M student Preston Wiginton, was not sponsored by any campus organizations, the university says. But the university, which is required to observe First Amendment rights, had allowed Wiginton to reserve space in a public area on campus.

It wasn't the first such event. In December, Wiginton brought white separatist Richard Spencer to speak at the campus in a rally at which counterprotesters greatly outnumbered white supremacists.

Wiginton said he would bring Spencer back on Sept. 11 for an all-day rally. The university denied him access to buildings, under a new policy requiring a student sponsor for facility reservations, so he scheduled the event in a plaza on campus. He promoted the rally with a press release titled "Today Charlottesville, Tomorrow Texas A&M," the university says.

Over the weekend, one counterprotester died and 19 people were injured in a car attack after a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va.

"Linking the tragedy of Charlottesville with the Texas A&M event creates a major security risk on our campus," the university said in its statement. "Additionally, the daylong event would provide disruption to our class schedules and to student, faculty and staff movement (both bus system and pedestrian)."

Before the cancellation was announced, students at the university were already planning a counterprotest called "BTHO Hate" (that is, "beat the hell outta hate").

Texas legislators had put bipartisan pressure on the school administration to denounce or cancel the event, Houston Public Media reports:

"Word of the cancellation came hours after Dallas Democratic Rep. Helen Giddings gave a House floor speech while nearly all of the chamber's 150 members stood beside her. She urged university administrators to 'unequivocally denounce and fight against this violent group' adding 'all of us in the state of Texas want to say with one voice, Texas will not stand for hate.'

"Rep. Paul Workman, an Austin Republican, added that a petition being circulated for A&M graduates in the House was attempting to 'keep this from happening on our campus.' The chamber then held a moment of silence for victims killed and injured in Charlottesville.

"Similar sentiments came from the Texas Senate, which also held its own moment of silence."

Public universities, unlike private institutions, are bound by the First Amendment, and several attempts to restrict speech on public campuses have been struck down as unconstitutional, as The Dallas Morning News reported in December.

There is a high bar for schools to clear if they're claiming a threat to public safety, as Inside Higher Ed reported this April, after the University of California, Berkeley, attempted to stop Ann Coulter from speaking and Auburn University tried to block an appearance by Spencer.

"Legal experts and academics say that public colleges and universities need to prove a real threat and meet a high standard of proof before invoking student and attendee welfare as a reason to curtail expression protected by the First Amendment," Insider Higher Ed wrote.

Texas A&M says its "support of the First Amendment and the freedom of speech cannot be questioned," noting that Spencer was allowed to speak there in December.

"However, in this case, circumstances and information relating to the event have changed and the risks of threat to life and safety compel us to cancel the event," the school says.

The university says the cancellation comes after "consultation with law enforcement and considerable study."

Robert Shibley, executive director of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, says Texas A&M might find it challenging to defend the cancellation of the event on safety grounds.

"I think it would be pretty difficult to prove that [the press release] was a threat of violence," Shibley says.

"Generally when we're talking about shutting down speech because of threats of violence, it has to be an imminent threat of violence that is also likely to occur," he says, noting that the rally is still nearly a month away and the exact significance of the press release's title isn't "obvious."

Shibley says it is possible that the university has more reason to be wary than just the comparison to Charlottesville.

"One of the important things when you're looking at this is to recognize that sometimes law enforcement does have information the rest of us aren't privy to," he says. "But if they're using that to make decisions, then they'll have to explain what that information was ... if not to the public, then certainly if they're challenged in court."


A group of antifascist protesters armed with purple shields and bats showed up to the Wednesday funeral of a woman mowed down by a white supremacist who struck her with a vehicle.

Antifa Protesters Crash Heather Heyer’s Funeral
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/antifa-protesters-crash-heather-heyers-funeral/

Antifa, a collection of left-wing protesters, decided to crash the funeral of Heather Heyer, a white woman who died after a white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of protesters during a white nationalist riot.

The antifascist activists claimed they showed up armed because “the police won’t protect the people,” according to a reporter on the scene.

Heyer died during a white supremacist rally over the potential removal of a Confederate statue of Robert E. Lee. The rally broke out into violence between armed white nationalists and antifa protesters throwing balloons filled with ink and urine and bricks at the white nationalists gathered there.

The line to enter Heyer’s funeral, hosted at the Paramount theater in Charlottesville, reached two blocks.
 
Sputnik Radio Podcast

Charlottesville and White Supremacy: America's Ugly Past Unmasked (27:59)
https://sputniknews.com/radio_hard_facts/201708161056503786-charlottesville-trump-white-supremacy-american-history/
(updated 13:30 16.08.2017)
On this episode, John Wight is joined by Paul Craig Roberts to discuss and analyze the events of Charlottesville in their broader context, looking at the question of white supremacy in the US and the extent to which it is still influencing politics and society in America today.

Though perhaps easy to dismiss the ugly events of Charlottesville as a relatively small incident of social unrest over a contested history, this would be a mistake. It arrived, on the contrary, as further evidence of a society at war with itself — a war born of the economic dislocation of the 2008 recession and resulting fear, insecurity and rage it has produced.

There is a case to be made that Trump and Obama before him constitute two sides of the same government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich coin. Rampant inequality at home buttressed by a foreign policy of conflict and aggression overseas is suggestive of a nation whose ruling class has no answer or solution to the chaos it has caused and continues to sow.

They say that no great civilization is conquered from without until it destroys itself from within. By this metric, the United States is a nation in crisis.
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obyvatel said:
[quote author=luc]
[quote author=obyvatel]
These are different times. In the US, even if things are allowed to devolve to a degree with respect to street violence, it would most likely be stemmed with the military being called in. The situation has to get worse enough so that people no longer complain about their freedoms being taken away. That is the kind of worst case scenario I can envisage here.
Another example for a worst case that comes to mind is the Bosnian conflict; here too, the military got involved, but there were various other military and paramilitary groups that formed. What happened, if I understand correctly, is exactly what you described: regular people becoming butchers of women and children, on all sides. Notice that this was sort of a "color revolution" as well with various outside forces igniting the fire.


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Yes, militias always form at times of chaos and mayhem. The difference I think between the situation in former Yugoslavia vs the US today is that the US has more military might. If they want, they can crush any militia that can be formed. If there is continued chaos and mayhem within the country, the ability to project military and economic power on a global scale is essentially gone. And that would not serve the interests of the more powerful and influential cabals. So they would not like sustained large scale mayhem and chaos and they would do whatever they can to prevent it. That is why I said the worst case situation will be allowed to devolve to a degree, just enough so that people do not complain about loss of freedom that comes with the likes of martial law, curfews, and abolishment of constitutional rights like free speech, right to assembly etc.

The thing about big natural disasters is that by themselves, such events tend to unite common people rather than separate them. Kind of like man against nature rather than man against man, left against right etc. It is likely that cooperation among groups helped those groups survive such events in the ancient past. So archaic survival instincts promoting cooperation honed by evolution would likely kick in. [/quote]

I think, it's hard to decipher a worse case scenario in the U.S. and try to use other Countries conflicts as a possible blue print? For the most part, the U.S. and it's military operatives and ABC agencies were the invading force in Yugoslavia and Bosnian, with the most recent being Ukraine.

That's not to say that a "Color Revolution" can't happen here, chances are we are already in the beginning stages of one but the invading force - is "from within" - our own borders.

When you take in consideration, every inch and crevice of our daily lives are monitored, video taped and recorded for future reference - how is it, that something like Charlottesville was even allowed to happen? Then to witness police in full riot gear, ordered to "stand down" when the scene turns into a battle ground, signals that we're dealing with serious internal problems? Lacking ... is our system "of checks and balances and accountability".

From an early age, it's been drilled into us, that "we are the greatest Nation on Earth" and that's one of the reasons, we have to "help" other Countries with their problems? If we're so great, then why are we slipping into third World standards? Why is it "allowed to happen"? What other Nation allows it's citizens to press #1 to speak in it's native language and #2 for a select group? Who voted for that - not the American people? So, we're also dealing with a communication problem, in more ways than one.

There is one category that the U.S. does stand alone, verses other Countries. No other Nation comes close to the number of military bases and personnel occupying foreign soil, as the U.S./Pentagon/NATO in the history of our current civilization? Thousands of military service personnel have been subtracted from our population, with males making up a high percentage of that quota. Reports vary, depending on the source but it's claimed that there's over 800 bases outside of the U.S. as of 2015. In the last two years, that number has grown considerably. Due to the Pentagon's accounting practices, it's hard to narrow down a number or even an estimate of how many American personnel are overseas but it's fair to assume, it's a large portion. Greater than the military personnel stationed in bases on our own soil. Doesn't the disproportional difference in those numbers, weaken us internally because we have spread ourselves so thin? In the event of an attack from an outside force (any Country) would we be able to defend ourselves and our Country?

Even without a "Color Revolution" - aren't we "sitting ducks"? Because a large portion of our Defense is out there? Do you really think, "militias" are going to fill the void?

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-united-states-probably-has-more-foreign-military-bases-than-any-other-people-nation-or-empire-in-history/

Paid protesters are not a new phenomenon in domestic US politics; however, after things turned ugly in Charlottesville over the last weekend, the practice of hiring a political crowd as if it were a movie scene is becoming increasingly questionable.

When PR and Marketing Get Gory: Paid Rioting Gains Momentum in US Politics
https://sputniknews.com/us/201708171056535184-us-protests-charlottesville/

Multiple signs of “professional protesters” appearing at political events and rallies throughout the US have been reported in recent months, with companies specializing in hiring personnel for movie crowd scenes entering the US politics. Cases of paid protesters appearing in the streets of the US have intensified recently, especially on the left side of the political spectrum –protesting US President Donald Trump’s policies has allegedly become a lucrative trade.

The recent outbreak of violence and civil unrest in Virginia and North Carolina, which resulted both in deadly clashes between far-right and left-wing extremists (Charlottesville, VA), or damages to public property and disruptions in transport infrastructure (Durham, NC), have brought into the spotlight the issue of what motivates protesters to participate.

On Monday, 7 August, an ad was posted on Craigslist, Charlotte, NC, hiring people at a $25 per hour rate for what some commentators assert was participation in mass protests, as inferred from the text of the posting. The ad directly asks whether the applicants are “ok with participating in peaceful protests”, and emphasizes the need for “actors” and “photographers”, suggesting that a certain orchestrated event would need to be converted into digital content in order to create a certain media narrative.

The company identified itself as Crowds on Demand. Based in Los Angeles, the company directly says on its website, in the “Protests and Rallies” section: “We also assist individuals, companies and political organizations with protests and picketing campaigns. We’ve protested governments, corporations and everything in between.”

Charlotte, NC is very close to the city of Durham, where an angry left-wing mob recently vandalized a monument to Confederate soldiers, who, according to US law, are honored as veterans of the US army. The city of Charlotte is also not far from Charlottesville, VA, where deadly clashes happened over the weekend. The local media recently reported that tensions are rising in the region over the Confederate legacy, which has been turned into a political tool of the left-wing globalist anti-Trump narrative.

This is not the first time that Crowds on Demand has drawn media attention to its involvement in political activities. It is also not the only company in the market. Enterprises such as Crowds for Rent and Extra Mile Casting offer similar services. The latter was at some point before 2015 hired by Donald Trump, reports say, to provide cheerful support for his cause.

However, buying fake enthusiasm for promo events, or hiring crowds for movie mob scenes is considered a normal business practice in PR, marketing and the film industry. Problems arise when paid protests get fueled up by left-wing chanting and exaltation.

According to some reports, left-wing groups have been financing anti-Trump protests ever since he was elected in November. The American left firmly links Trump to everything right-wing, even though it might not necessarily be the case. For instance, the leftist “counter-protesters” who clashed with right-wing activists who demanded that Charlottesville’s Robert E. Lee monument be left alone, were also explicitly anti-Trump.

The Progress Unity Fund is among the leftist organizations known to raise money and finance protests for the left-wing cause. Such organizations are generally committed to non-violence; however, their role in what happens in the streets is quite limited. When violence erupts on the scene, staffing company values do not seem to matter.

"Unfortunately, at this time there are groups from the more violent strains of the leftist ideology, some even being paid, who are preying on public town halls to wreak havoc and threaten public safety," Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) says.

The notion of orchestrated political campaigns exposes another, and quite very sad, issue. The political narratives on both ends of the political spectrum are easily converted into money through the media, including social media, agitation and excitement, misinterpreting the information and general disinformation.

The information warfare is rife when the fate of political and economic reforms is at stake. The Trump administration appears to be an icebreaker committed to ending the high-level political corruption, bureaucracy, economic mismanagement and corporate political governance. The stiff resistance to the White House agenda, wrapped into the colorful package of left-wing ideals, is easily understandable when so many special interests and trillions of dollars are involved.
 
SocietyoftheSpectacle said:
How about this for a Motive.

"THEY" did charlottesville to Split off the Anti Zionist Right from the Pro Zionist Alt Right.
Daily Stormer neo-Nazi website banned by Google gets Russian domain

'Daily Stormer Booted From Russia for 'Propagandizing Neo-Nazi Ideology''
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/daily-stormer-ousted-in-russia-for-extremism-58688
Moscow Times, August 17, 2017
 
JGeropoulas said:
Sen. Robert Byrd, the longest-serving member in the history of the United States Congress, was also an avid recruiter for the KKK whose title was "Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops"--and Hillary Clinton's self-proclaimed "mentor". So... since she's out of work, maybe she could be the poster-child for uniting those Radical Leftists and White Supremacists:

While Byrd was a member of the KKK in his youth, he has since repeatedly apologized for it. That image is photoshopped.

JGeropoulas, it really would be appreciated if you could make a concerted effort to ensure that all discussions on this forum are as factual as possible.
 
Aragorn said:
It's interesting to observe how many of the prominent anti-establishment figures out there are not "seeing the unseen", and falling for the setup.

I'm not surprised to see Eric Draitser touting the "Trump is supporting Nazis" thing to his followers. He's been in many ways off track for some time now, and I'm starting to suspect, based on his aggressive writings, that he is planted opposition – a double agent of sorts. Perhaps this is the time for him to become "activated" and do what he was hired/brainwashed for. I'm sure there are many planted guys like him out there.

I doubt he's 'an agent'. He's a good example, though, of how ideology blinds those who might otherwise 'see the unseen'. Draitser has been very consistent in his (inconsistent!) ideological beliefs, if that makes sense.

Aragorn said:
One that did surprise me a tiny bit, was Abby Martin. She's also jumped on the Trump=fascism thing, if I'm not mistaken.

She also 'called out' Putin over Crimea, remember. Again, that's 'consistency of ideology'. Something like, any show of force from a central authority is 'bad' because central authority is, a priori, 'bad'.
 
Niall said:
I doubt he's 'an agent'. He's a good example, though, of how ideology blinds those who might otherwise 'see the unseen'. Draitser has been very consistent in his (inconsistent!) ideological beliefs, if that makes sense.

Aragorn said:
One that did surprise me a tiny bit, was Abby Martin. She's also jumped on the Trump=fascism thing, if I'm not mistaken.

She also 'called out' Putin over Crimea, remember. Again, that's 'consistency of ideology'. Something like, any show of force from a central authority is 'bad' because central authority is, a priori, 'bad'.

It's interesting to note that those latest "fallen truth seekers" are leftists with a leftist ideology. Lee Camp (the RT comedian) comes to mind as well.

As for this whole incident, another "positive" side effect for the pathocrats is that it's now even easier for them to paint everyone losely "right" or "conservative", including peaceful demonstrators and free-speech advocates, as Nazis. On the other hand, this makes it easier as well for many people to see through these kinds of manipulations, one would hope. Choosing sides and reality splitting and all that.
 

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