Was Julius Caesar the real Jesus Christ?

[BHelmet]

Among Gunnar Heinsohn's articles, have you seen this one ?

<Gunnar Heinsohn: Saint Paul - did live once, thrice or not at all?>

<another examination by Gunnar Heinsohn of the possibly flawed chronology of the First Millennium AD.>

www.q-mag.org

https://www.q-mag.org/_iserv/dlfiles/dl.php?ddl=gunnar-saint-paul-did-he-live-once-thrice-or-not-at-all-heinsohn-november-2020.pdf

His conclusion :

Bonus :

Portrait of Saint Paul based on surviving images from the 1st millennium AD, created by the State Criminal Police Department of the Land of North-Rhine - Westphalia, Düsseldorf, Germany (2008).

OMG. Book him, Dano!

 

[goyacobol]

One of the points of Christianity is to 'become' it; to allow it in; to allow the presence and being of Christness/conscious awareness inside all the enclosures and barricades of the self and soul. The earnest follower of Christ needs to actualize the teachings within the soul of their being; to make that stuff real... within, and without; Acting in accordance while observing.

And that is not safe.

That's what I am driving at.

Now, does this happen only in the privacy of our own prayer room?

Is that enough?

Can it be discussed here?

Is there any point to attempting to do that?

I would hope.

Probably a bit of that, maybe even a lot. But also in how we conduct ourselves with others: the people we love, and those who we don't.

Sure! Just maybe not in this particular thread.

I hope "maybe" is the key word since this thread is about "the real Jesus Christ" and it does not perhaps require another thread to add ones own heart felt expressions.

Sometimes it is perhaps the heart that needs to be expressed as well as opinion, data, and books read (or not depending an old idea of sanguine, choleric, melancholic, and phlegmatic personalities).

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I hope "maybe" is the key word since this thread is about "the real Jesus Christ" and it does not perhaps require another thread to add ones own heart felt expressions.

No, I meant another thread. This one is primarily historical-revisionist in nature, and dealing with the the identity of Jesus and Caesar. Questions of prayer and actualizing Christ consciousness are probably best suited other threads dealing with those as practical matters, like the thread on prayer, for instance.

 

[BHelmet]

And let’s not forget there have been other Christs, starting with a female, no less.

Q1: who really was the most recent Christ?

Q2: what really is a Christ or Christness; it’s purpose and significance?

So maybe it should be a separate thread? (Even though I totally agree with Goyacobol’s sentiment.)

 

[goyacobol]

No, I meant another thread. This one is primarily historical-revisionist in nature, and dealing with the the identity of Jesus and Caesar. Questions of prayer and actualizing Christ consciousness are probably best suited other threads dealing with those as practical matters, like the thread on prayer, for instance.

Thank you for the clarification. @BHelmet could check out

Life experiences represent interaction with "God"​

or some other public FOTCM threads or start a new thread.

 

[Benjamin]

I've only read bits and pieces of this thread but I ran into something that just rang a little bell in my mind after reading about 'Agrippa' in FPtM and didn't know where else to put it. I don't know if it's of any relevance. It's just the combination of names that makes me wonder if there was more involved.

It was mentioned on p.161 of Pisidian Antioch, The Site and its Monuments, by Stephen Mitchell and Marc Waelkens (1998) p.161:

The individual elements of the architectural mix at Antioch are also separately characteristic of specifically Roman imperial design. The triple arched propylon, completed in 2/1 BC, is only the second building of this type to be built in Asia Minor. It followed hard on the heels of the gateway erected at Ephesus in 4/3 BC for Augustus, Livia, the now-dead Agrippa and Julia by the imperial slaves Mazaeus and Mithridates.

The Ephesus wiki tells me the 'Gate of Augustus' was built in his honour but doesn't tell me who built it. But it does mention it here, and the story is a bit clearer. Apparently the info comes from a travel guide called The Secrets of Ephesus by Izabela Miszczak.

Gate of Mazaeus and Mithridates in Ephesus | Turkish Archaeological News

The Commercial Agora had three main gates, enabling access from the north onto Harbour Street, the south-east, and the west. The most impressive and best-preserved of these gates is the so-called Gate of Mazaeus and Mithridates on the south-eastern side, very close to the Celsus Library. This...

turkisharchaeonews.net

The gate features three main inscriptions over its arches: on the sides, there are Latin texts, but the central text is in Greek. They inform that the gate was erected by two freedmen of Octavian Augustus and Marcus Agrippa, called Mazaeus and Mithridates. As a gravestone found in Ephesus states that Mithridates was the freedman of Agrippa, Mazeus must have been the one manumitted by Augustus. Thankful for the manumission, they had this gate built in the honour of Octavian Augustus, his wife Livia, his son-in-law Marcus Agrippa, and Julia the elder, the daughter of Augustus and the wife of Agrippa. The titles given to Octavian Augustus allowed dating the gate to the years 3-4 BCE. In this time, Agrippa had been dead for nine years and his widow, Julia, remarried to Tiberius. Thus, the inscription, in a delicate diplomatic manoeuvre, calls her "the daughter of Augustus" instead of mentioning her husbands.

Those were some rich emancipated slaves to fund such a project, imo.

 

[divusiulius]

Hi, I’m new in this forum and a week ago I cake across this thread. I had Read carotta already so it was no surprise for me but I was happy to find a community discussing about this (and 10 years ago already)!. I read “Et tu Judas too and it was a good book. But after reading From Paul to Mark I was completly amazed. Thank you very much to Laura it was a beatuful Research and analysis of a Lot of early Christian documents. I think your work surpasses even that of Carotta by a margin and it is really eye opening. I also wanted to Share some depictions of Christ (apparently they are the first depictions ever)! Sorry if someone has posted them already. And also 2 beautiful coins one with a tropaeum. Also in italian (my language) “trofeo” is the Cup you win in sport competions and checking on the dictionary I found out it comes from the latin tropaeum:)

 

[Jones]

I also wanted to Share some depictions of Christ (apparently they are the first depictions ever)!

Interesting pictures, divusiulius. Thanks for sharing them. Do you have a source for those?

 

[divusiulius]

Hi, I came across them watching this video “https://youtu.be/NxqCZBjapv4” the narrator cited place and date for all the depictions, funny thing the guy who made the video doesn’t make the Caesar connection but he still say some interesting things. I’m happy you liked the pictures. This is another gem (at least for me) it’s called Rèsurection by Emile Bernarde. The work is from the XX Century but it’s even more interesting because it’s a copy from a sketch by Michelangelo which was never finished. It’s currently in the Vatican museums. Source Musei Vaticani. La luce che fuga le tenebre - Vatican News (the article is in italian and it talk about the original Michelangelo’s sketch). Carotta also had already noted that the famous Pieta of Michelangelo didn’t look like a scene from the Gospels and how it was similar to a descrption of Calpurnia’s dream about Caesar death .