I completely agree - it's so hard to wrap my head around the lost/added (narrative) years. But I think there's some keys Laura already discovered in the other thread on the
Historical Events Database.
Bede/Alcuin/Gregory of Tours all seemed to be very connected in their knowledge of this whole "History of the Franks" - which I think is important in understanding the need for reconstruction of a late Roman Empire. I'm trying to dig through those sources as best as I can, but "Tours" repeatedly comes up (from the mid-8th century at least) over and over again. Not only as a focus point of Carolingian "Renaissance" that suddenly has all of these source texts from, but also in the massive wealth of theological ideas.
As Laura mentions in the first few posts of that thread - how did these 8th and 9th monasteries/scholars century get
all these books? And from where? Those new libraries weren't anywhere near the same locations as where the ancient sources would have been located geographically (especially Northumbria).
Another very interesting point is the adherence to "Atticism" in Byzantine writing
after Justinian. Doesn't this imply that the recopying of source scripts from some other source was being re-formed into a language that was the medieval conception of how ancient Greeks wrote? Like, it came from Syrian? This would likely have included a narrative structure - not just the syntax and grammar, I think?
So, in my opinion, a big part of this puzzle can be found in Syrian texts - that were most likely
not forged or heavily re-imagined. The Syrian writers may have observed actual events. These were then later "Atticised" by early medieval Byzantine writers and flowed back west by the time of Charlemagne or shortly after (like the C's said a lot was lost in imperfect translations ).
One quote I remember regarding Eriugena, is that his "Greek" was exemplary (Atticisms?) and that he was the first European theologian in centuries that could accurately translate Greek texts (primarily Pseudo-Dionysius, which I think is a thinly-veiled Gnostic text of some sort).
Possibly Syrian texts that were written during or right after the Justinian Plague may be the original source of much Hagiography. Think of St. George. How does he become the patron saint of England, when all his provenance is so Syrian? His "bio" shows him from Cappadocia (near Syria, near Tarsus) an area that was both very late in losing its Zoroastrianism and the area where Caesar set up many colonies for his veterans. So maybe a lot of these monks and "patristic' fathers existed in one fashion or another in eastern Anatolia or Syria after Justinian and were moved back in time to fit into the fake late Roman history for Carolingian purposes. Possibly with a lot of "Caesarean" baggage to remove.
So many of the St. Anthony type characters sound much like Muhammad - i.e. people retreating to caves to get god's word during or shortly following a cataclysm. What if multiple sects/religions had the same reaction at that time?
I came across this article the other day which lays out how and why Eusebius could have fabricated major parts of Alexandrian Christianity. Although I think the chronology is still suspect and confusing in light of what we've learned here, the basic tenets of just how ancient history could be recreated rings true,
As a fellow of the Westar Institute I recently attended a webcon on Eusebius, as part of their new project Seminar on the history of Christianity, and it was heartening to see their reliance on real historians and not just theologians and biblical scholars (all the lead presenters had serious...
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I also think that the whole idea of "Chronology" is one of the major problematic issues. We
don't experience the chronology of the past like the ancients or even the medievals. It's really hard for us to lose that program, I think. Even just reading the non-deep dive from Wikipedia on the subject of
Chronology leads to - of course,
The Chronicon of Eusebius of Caesarea (Hmm "Caesarea" - like Tarsus - to reveal and obscure, maybe?)
The second sentence in the article states -
"It seems to have been compiled in the early 4th century." Seems
And then,
"The original Greek text is lost, although substantial quotations exist in later chronographers." I bet they do.
Another issue, that may have been covered somewhere else on the forum, but which I think relates to this thread specifically is that of Roman chronology up to Augustus. It seems the solar year calculations from the year of Romulus founding Rome were a much later interpolation or invention. Chronologies up to Augustus were based upon, "Consulships".
From Wiki again,
"From the establishment of the Republic to the time of Augustus, the consuls were the chief magistrates of the Roman state, and normally there were two of them, so that the executive power of the state was not vested in a single individual, as it had been under the kings.[1][2]"
"As other ancient societies dated historical events according to the reigns of their kings, it became customary at Rome to date events by the names of the consuls in office when the events occurred, rather than (for instance) by counting the number of years since the foundation of the city, although that method could also be used.[2] If a consul died during his year of office, another was elected to replace him. Although his imperium was the same as his predecessor's, he was termed consul suffectus, in order to distinguish him from the consul ordinarius whom he replaced; but the eponymous magistrates for each year were normally the consules ordinarii.[1][2]"
If this is accurate, it would be very easy to mix up or transplant the idea of medieval reigns of Kings with a foreign concept of Consulship under the empire and mess up the whole chronology. Possibly intentionally or conveniently, but also just out of the (to us) weird math the Romans had for calculating "reigns" vs. chronology. Possibly certain "bad" consuls actors were "scrubbed" from annals much like our possibly real Flavian Emperor Domitian was supposed to be "banished" from history for his cruelty. Imagine the re-writes and confusion if you have a weak grasp of Latin reading a three-times translated text? Better to just claim "Suetonius" had a clear understanding of how Emperors succeeded each other and get to Pepin I's reign as soon as possible.
I don't think I have a remote grasp in any of this, but there are red flags for "chronological dissonance" from the calculating concepts of time/chronology from the end of Justinian to Charlemagne. It may even have a more "Dorothy and Toto" aspect to it. If the C's are right about the "Earth's EM atmosphere" radically changing after the Justinian Plague/Comets where giants slowly died off and lost their efficacy for chasing us down in the woods of North America - maybe this even goes for how humans perceived chronology on a deeper psychological level that affected our day to day perceptions?