What do you do, when your body is in discomfort?

[Laura]

Thank you. The biggest thing I HAVE NOT DONE is removing BREAD completely from my diet. I eat sour dough bread from a farmers market. Not wheat & not white cheap bread, but I do hamburger buns. Bad enough but I am not committed enough I know, so I have no reason to whine. I know what I do not do.

Let me just share with you the fact that I have learned that if I eat one smidgen of gluten, I am in pain for a week. I can't emphasize to you strongly enough that in order to get pain free the policy has to be ZERO tolerance. NO slips. Because each one sets you back at least a week. It takes that long for the effects to wear off.

Dairy is the same and, for me, eggs, nuts, nightshades as well.

I thought I could eat some spaghetti sauce on rice pasta that had just a PINCH of cayenne in it to spice it up.

I was in bed for two days. Yes, that bad.

My daughter brought a spice mix and did some roasted chicken with it. I didn't know that it had this mix on it and ate two pieces. I was in bed within hours with a horrible backache and knees that literally gave out when going up the stairs.

It is truly amazing to see and experience these effects. It's no wonder I was in pain all my life.

When you really get tired of hurting, you'll really get on the program.

Believe me, it's not so bad to substitute buckwheat blinis for bread at every meal!

I eat cooked meat/chicken (mostly fresh from the butcher), fresh vegetables, fruit and nuts.

You need to cut out the nuts until you test for tolerance. My guess is that you are intolerant. I can tolerate them better than gluten or dairy, but if I eat them regularly, I'm back in the bed.

Almost no dairy. I am lactose intolerant.

ZERO tolerance. One teaspoon of milk or cream in my tea and my knees collapse within an hour. I'm just telling you these things so that you know what this stuff can do and how little it can take to do it. You may be different, but you don't know until you clean out completely and test.

I do like my beer, and that's also probably not good. I am an alcoholic so I do take care & am quite aware of my compulsive addictions (programs).

Believe it or not, the addictions and cravings will go away completely - even for alcohol. You aren't an alcoholic, your candida wants sugar. It is running your life.

Beer and hard liquor is particularly evil because they are made from grains.

Life is not a twelve step program for me. I fail for an occasional root beer milkshake, that's bad too.

Not only that, it means you will hurt for at least one week after taking it. Is it worth a week of pain and misery?

Daily, more than the recommended amounts, I take vitamins C, D-13, B-12, magnesium, Fish Oil omega-3s, multi-vitamins. We're gonna by a juicer.!.!.! Don't have a FIR although I do heat up with what I have.

You are just throwing your money away if you don't make the dietary changes. You should also add 5-htp to get rid of the cravings.

I have sooo much yet to change and am continuing to work on this. I have tried changing everything at once and that didn't work. Right now bread is my target and I'll get it right eventually.

I know y'all care. But I also know that I, myself have yet to take full control for sometimes I do make "major" changes, and then say the hell with all this, I'm doomed so WTF... I have a self destruct program that is a major player and have yet not been able to completely shut it down.

Mainly, your brain is inflamed. Do try the 5-htp. Check the Serotonin thread for infor.

I'm on a very active roller coaster and have never found an easy path. I have and do read all health related topics I can, and the books you sent me Laura (thank you). Both my wife & myself have learned much those books. But it's my weakness of character that needs to be overcome. And nobody can do this but me. I seem depressed & yes I am. BUT, I am not giving up and eventually all these small changes I hope will accumulate into something great... I can only hope...

It's not weakness of character, it's brain inflammation.

 

[Al Today]

Mainly, your brain is inflamed. Do try the 5-htp. Check the Serotonin thread for infor.

5-htp??? Serotonin??? Hasn't crossed my mind for I can't remember any indication of those from the Ultra Diet Quiz.
I will read up on those more deeply with intent and will discuss this with my doctor.
Ah nuts, I can live without nuts. I love salted peanuts like the ones at baseball where you can eat the salty shells BUT you're probably right the more I think on this (how I feel "urp") I can do without the milkshake. The GLUTEN is on my back big time. I KNOW it's gotta go. I rarely eat pasta and I will try... Really WORK to get rid of the GLUTEN.

What you've mentioned before I have not thought. Nor the Candida situation. I will research come up with a plan and bring it here online to see what else I'm not doing.
:) :) :)
THANK YOU

Eggs I love & KNOW they're evil to me.
I eat & love raw peppers of all kinds and have no ill effects. I kinda do "feel' peppers are good for me and want to believe the hype of the healing power of peppers. I gotta research nightshades. Can I be wrong on this pepper sacred cow?
Again, thank you. with so much to do how can I remain depressed when hope is being renewed. And I'll say it again people, THANK YOU because you just cannot buy this kind of consultation and therapy. Power of the network is being demonstrated for me.


Oh and FYI: I just had a full blood work up/panels and my chemistry is almost textbook perfect. EXCEPT FOR THE ABSOLUTE WHITE COUNT. Yep, maybe that's from all the inflammation, I betcha... But all that other chemistry stuff is great, like the last workup I had. I've got excellent cholesterol, lipids, blah blah blah with the exceptions of my brain & bone joint connections are massively inflamed

 

[Gaby]

Mainly, your brain is inflamed. Do try the 5-htp. Check the Serotonin thread for infor.

5-htp??? Serotonin??? Hasn't crossed my mind for I can't remember any indication of those from the Ultra Diet Quiz.

If you have an OH addiction problem, dealing with candida and 5 HTP will bring you great relief. It is a must do in case of alcohol problems. You should do the Ultra Simple diet to make sure you remove ALL food intolerances:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13241.msg153781#msg153781

(the two posts that follow are also very important)

 

[Gonzo]

It depends on the pain. When I am experiencing excruciating nerve pain, I run from it. I take the strong opiates I have been prescribed and try to make it or me go away - one way or another, I avoid the pain as much as possible.

The pain in this case is a chronic alarm that will not shut off, even if there is no longer any pressure on it. So, I don't think there is anything obvious for me to do in response to the alarm.

However, when I get rheumatoid arthritic or fibromyalgic pain, I know my body is telling me something and I really ought to listen to it. It could be related to stress, diet, an emerging emotional/psychological wound or something in my environment that my body wants me to be aware of.

I thank my body and the pain and tell myself to investigate further, hoping it gets the idea that it can now shut the alarm off.
I then seek comfort form the pain using heating pads while paying down. If the pain isn't too intense, I may meditate upon it.

I have been told by many to go into the pain and experience it. I remember one time, after a dark night of the soul of intense pain, talking to a deacon at a church I used to attend.

He tried to tell me it was a real gift to experience such pain and to try to "give it up to the lord".

Methinks I'd like to chain that man down and get a wolverine to chew on his leg for a while and see how well he does "giving it up to the lord". Give me a break. While there is a much deeper spiritual meaning to the concept of experiencing your pain in such a way, I find it nearly impossible when you are losing control of your bladder, throwing up and shaking violently. In my experience, most people who make such comments have never experience long lasting intensive pain and do not know what they are talking about.

Do take care. My thoughts are with you.

Gonzo

 

[Brewer]

Beer and hard liquor is particularly evil because they are made from grains.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :)

I brew my own beer, I must be utterly evil!

I drink one 750ml mid strength bottle per day on average. It's chemical free and doesn't knock you round like some commercial beers can. Nothing like a crisp cold Cerveza on a hot Aussie day! You can get gluten free beer brewing kits, I'll look into them.

Working at a health resort I'm aware of how diet can affect people and reading this it'd be interesting to try knocking a few things out to see if it makes a difference. Nevertheless I'm in good health save for the few aches and pains that come with middle age.

As for the aches and pains, working out, keeping the weight off and ballroom dancing is what works for me! Just got to take it easy though, it's easy to overdo it.

Take care and good health.

Brewer

Brewer

 

[Acaja]

Having been in a profession now for about 12 years where the goal is pain and stress relief, and based on my personal experience, I definitely see the correlations between mind, body and spirit. For a while now, I've expressed to clients that pain is always seeking to communicate and is usually an indication to us to PAY ATTENTION. Not too surprising, very few people have been open and willing to delve a bit into that concept -- they just want someone to fix it for them.

Having had past issues with debilitating low back issues, that pain has been especially interesting to me, and having worked very pointedly to address my personal experience, I moved through the pain into building a new relationship with my body -- I now appreciate my body for its wonderful gift to me of communication. It will always tell me if I'm tense about something, worried, resisting, etc.

Haven't you noticed that sometimes an activity will cause you pain and other times, you do it with no pain at all? This naturally leads me to examine the other aspects of ourselves, namely our mental, emotional and spiritual "mood" in either instance.

And, as always, it may be different for each of us and the pain may be serving other purposes for other people...

Jazper

You're making a point. I've always wondered why we easily accept the concept of self-observing, self-analysing our emotional sphere while, on the other side, it doesn't seem we are wishing to do the same thing concerning our physical pain.
The way I see it, physical pain should not be just something to get rid of right away without futher understanding about its messages...and its lessons.
Not saying that pain is a good thing, but learning is.
Quoting the Cs again, even though everybody here knows this already, but if "All there is is lessons" , then one should guess there are lessons hidden under our body pain too.

What doesn't kill us...

 

[Gawan]

It sounds like your body is inflamed. Finding ways to reduce the inflammation would be the way to go.

It really feels like it, almost 7 hrs or more a day sitting in a fog.

Today I ate only brown rice, raspberries with butter at one meal, where before I started to eat felt a little bit better and afterwards I felt miserable again. So I'm taking off butter from my diet, which since a longer time has been suspicious to me.

Anti-inflammatories like DMSO (i think but get it confused with DMSA) or slippery elm. FIR sauna. Magnesium oil. Etc. Also finding out what is causing it - i.e. the elimination diet.

Unfortunately the DMSO I got is not of pharmaceutical grade, so I don't use it anymore.


Nontheless I would like go for a natural health practitioner to get a different input as well and on the other side maybe this person can help me out too to order some active-b-vitamins for example.

 

[Laura]

Have you been following the diet threads where we have been discussing that brown rice has lectins and some people may not be able to tolerate it? There is a newer, modified version of the ultra-simple diet on the EE forum that you could try.

 

[Gimpy]

It's not weakness of character, it's brain inflammation.

Could this be a reason I feel stark raving bonkers when I get nailed by hidden paprika? :D

 

[Gawan]

There is a newer, modified version of the ultra-simple diet on the EE forum that you could try.

Thank you Laura.
I will check out the edited ultra-simple-diet on the EE forum right away.

Have you been following the diet threads where we have been discussing that brown rice has lectins and some people may not be able to tolerate it?

That would be interesting, I checked my food log before I started to post here and there has been one day last week (a day since a very long time), where I felt perfect from the beginning of the day, well and at this day I ate lentils in the morning and no rice.
Something worth to check out, also when I cooked half an hour ago a pot full with brown rice. :)

Thanks for the food for thought, Laura. ;)


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[Gawan]

A small update, it really looks like it that I can blame rice, I ate brown rice almost all day today only added with salt, where I had bloating, kind of headaches and some other symptoms as a result.

Also I cooked in the morning lentils with a similar recipe like the week before where I had no problems. Nonetheless, I felt today dizziness, stomach-pain, no motivation, heavy limbs etc. The only difference I did when cooking was, I did not fry the lentils in olive oil, I just cooked them in plain water. Where my guess is, that maybe the frying process did release the lectin from the lentils, also when it sounds unlikely, maybe worth for another test if it really does.

Well then, tomorrow I go for Quinoa or Buckwheat, hopefully with a positive feedback from my body.

 

[Gaby]

Well then, tomorrow I go for Quinoa or Buckwheat, hopefully with a positive feedback from my body.

Do read the updates from the Ultra Simple diet thread, the other day I posted a few articles on lectins that are very eye opening and concerns your problems as well.

 

[Ca.]

Because I like too to dissociate a lot when I'm feeling discomfort: dizziness, burning, stomach ache, high bloodsugar... and actually it is a daily experience in my life to run through all sorts of unnerving body experiences, where then I like to watch movies and wait until I'm feeling better.

Gawan hello, Here's perhaps a clue. Have you ever noticed when shopping and your ready to check out at the register, what other people put on the conveyor belt. And this not a judgment, but an observation in what others are eating and what there condition is. You might find that those whom choose food items heavy into sweets (sugars, fast acting) cookies, pies, candy's. Meats, for proteins, heavily, marbled with fat as to lean cuts with no fat or little fat. Carbs ( simple white flours, proceeded as to unprocessed) pasta, potatoes, (starches) breakfast cereal's, proceeded breads, white and wheat. Can foods, like vegetable's, as to fresh vegetables. Micro wave meals or TV dinners as to home cooked.

And how do these people look, are the grossly over weight, are they struggling, do they look healthy, are they moving slow, sluggish, as to energetic and fluid. Do they have a look of prematurely aging. I wish i could at times talk or explain that if they were to change the eating habits they might feel better. But that would not be my place, unless asked and more than likely get punch in the nose to comment. As old habits don't die easy and change takes time, as to rewind the mind. To a different view, than the current programed view. Which many were told and lead to believe as to what was correct, when it was in actuality incorrect.

And something equally important, is do you get any physical activity, as in exercise, on a daily basis? This might help to counteract some of the health issues you have described. A walk in the park, under the sun. Swimming in aquatic, aerobics class. Hiking if you are able. Low impact, easy on the body type exercises. The type that leaves you feeling energised as to tired or over whelmed. Bicycle riding. Something that gets the heart rate up a bit. Cause you to sweat a little, move the joints and flex the mussel's.

As others have recommended anti-inflammatory may help with swelling. I have found that ice packs are also beneficial for aching joints, or swelling of different parts of the body. You can get a bag of frozen vegetables at the market and use over and over again as an ice pack, that easily draped over the swollen body part with an issue. Also the remarks of other of possible food allergies play a significant role in swelling. Items i have given up from impute from others from the form and in the know are tomatoes, bell peppers, egg plant , hot and sweet peppers certain spices etc. etc. etc.

Check out...if you like ...... www.About.com and www.Mercola.com for more information to related issues. And the best of luck in your efforts and goals for change for a better life style to ease the pain!

 

[Gawan]

Well then, tomorrow I go for Quinoa or Buckwheat, hopefully with a positive feedback from my body.

Do read the updates from the Ultra Simple diet thread, the other day I posted a few articles on lectins that are very eye opening and concerns your problems as well.

I did read them a few days ago, as good as I could and left me a little bit confused of what I could eat now and what not. Because also this morning with Quinoa went not too good, the symptoms have been been there, but more in a latent state and after one cigarette everything got worse for some time, but did cool off relatively quickly. And I ended up after some cycling in dizziness over one hour.

Well, may plan is to test potatoes and corn crackers as an alternative (with the risk of integrating other allergens, but to have something else to eat), to soak the rice and or lentils over the night and to look for some simple sugars (like Bladderwrack, which is the sugar that is the most easiest to get and also the cheapest of the alternatives in my country) to bind the lectin in the food.

Non theless it is also a little bit frustrating, because I need my body for the examinations this month and I'm still in a test and trial mode so to speak and I'm afraid running out of time. On the other side the (positive) stress before the examinations may help me to still do the learning.

Gawan hello, Here's perhaps a clue. Have you ever noticed when shopping and your ready to check out at the register, what other people put on the conveyor belt. And this not a judgment, but an observation in what others are eating and what there condition is. You might find that those whom choose food items heavy into sweets (sugars, fast acting) cookies, pies, candy's. Meats, for proteins, heavily, marbled with fat as to lean cuts with no fat or little fat. Carbs ( simple white flours, proceeded as to unprocessed) pasta, potatoes, (starches) breakfast cereal's, proceeded breads, white and wheat. Can foods, like vegetable's, as to fresh vegetables. Micro wave meals or TV dinners as to home cooked.

Unfortunately my personal view is distorted and negatively clouded at the present moment, because I think "they" are better of at the moment than me.

And something equally important, is do you get any physical activity, as in exercise, on a daily basis? This might help to counteract some of the health issues you have described. A walk in the park, under the sun. Swimming in aquatic, aerobics class. Hiking if you are able. Low impact, easy on the body type exercises. The type that leaves you feeling energised as to tired or over whelmed. Bicycle riding. Something that gets the heart rate up a bit. Cause you to sweat a little, move the joints and flex the mussel's.

I'm cycling every day to university maybe 20 minutes a day.
Nonetheless some more work may not too bad to give it a try.

Check out...if you like ...... www.About.com and www.Mercola.com for more information to related issues. And the best of luck in your efforts and goals for change for a better life style to ease the pain!

Thank you for that.

 

[Gaby]

I did read them a few days ago, as good as I could and left me a little bit confused of what I could eat now and what not. Because also this morning with Quinoa went not too good, the symptoms have been been there, but more in a latent state and after one cigarette everything got worse for some time, but did cool off relatively quickly. And I ended up after some cycling in dizziness over one hour.

Well, may plan is to test potatoes and corn crackers as an alternative (with the risk of integrating other allergens, but to have something else to eat), to soak the rice and or lentils over the night and to look for some simple sugars (like Bladderwrack, which is the sugar that is the most easiest to get and also the cheapest of the alternatives in my country) to bind the lectin in the food.

If you are very sensitive to lectins in grains, I wouldn't be surprised if you are very sensitive to night shade family as well. Corn is also very inflammatory. Why don't you try with sweet potatoes instead. Add baking soda to soaking solutions as well.

Most people who are very sensitive to lectins do better on a high protein low carb diet, or a "paleolithic diet". It does look like you might be very sensitive to them. It doesn't mean you won't be able to have them again, but that you might need some time off while you heal your gut.