What do you do, when your body is in discomfort?

[Gawan]

If you are very sensitive to lectins in grains, I wouldn't be surprised if you are very sensitive to night shade family as well. Corn is also very inflammatory. Why don't you try with sweet potatoes instead. Add baking soda to soaking solutions as well.
Most people who are very sensitive to lectins do better on a high protein low carb diet, or a "paleolithic diet". It does look like you might be very sensitive to them. It doesn't mean you won't be able to have them again, but that you might need some time off while you heal your gut.

Okay, I make a test tomorrow morning and eat only carrots and some spinach and see how that goes.

The only concerns I have, is not be well-fed, because the main diet, I think many have been grown up with, is build of carbs. And the other concern, not to have something to eat which can boost my blood sugar in case of a hypoglycemia, maybe it's just something to get used to (to find creative solutions) and is also a little bit of a mind game to do things against my belief system. ;)

 

[Laura]

The only concerns I have, is not be well-fed, because the main diet, I think many have been grown up with, is build of carbs. And the other concern, not to have something to eat which can boost my blood sugar in case of a hypoglycemia, maybe it's just something to get used to (to find creative solutions) and is also a little bit of a mind game to do things against my belief system. ;)

Gawan, I've suffered from hypoglycemia - actually, hyperinsulinism - for years and the only diet that really works for me is plenty of meat and veggies. Get up in the morning and have some meat for breakfast. Have some veggies drizzled with the meat juices and fats along with it. That will set you body to converting fat to energy for the day and as long as you keep the meat and veggies coming in, you will feel fine. And believe me, you won't suffer one little bit from lack of nutrition. After all, the simple carb type foods are mostly empty calories. Eat a nice sweet potato for breakfast with a piece of ham. They are delicious fried together! Beets or carrots are also delicious with ham or bacon. In fact, I'm getting hungry myself and I think I'm going down for a sweet potato and bacon right about now.

 

[Chu]

Gawan, I've suffered from hypoglycemia - actually, hyperinsulinism - for years and the only diet that really works for me is plenty of meat and veggies. Get up in the morning and have some meat for breakfast. Have some veggies drizzled with the meat juices and fats along with it. That will set you body to converting fat to energy for the day and as long as you keep the meat and veggies coming in, you will feel fine. And believe me, you won't suffer one little bit from lack of nutrition. After all, the simple carb type foods are mostly empty calories.

I second that! My blood sugar levels have never been stable, and some of my relatives have or died from diabetes. So you can imagine that I try to pain attention to this. Eating protein, fat and lots of veggies is the key. Some fruits are fine if not eaten alone all the time, and also carby veggies like sweet potatoes, carrots, etc. Luckily, buckwheat and quinoa are higher in proteins (therefore having less carbohydrates), so when you are really hungry you can used them as fillers. But I doubt you'll get very hungry. And you should test every grain first, to see if you can tolerate their lectins. Life you, brown rice is not idea for me, buy quinoa and buckwheat are fine as long as I don't abuse.

Al Today, and all those who are struggling with the diet. In case it helps you, here are a few things that I always tried to keep in mind when I first starting on the detox program:

1) This diet is not really a diet, but a life-style. You can still have pleasure at the table with a little bit of creativity. So it's not a punishment or a huge challenge, once you start seeing the benefits, and that your brain chemicals are more balanced.

2) Healthy eating can be compared and is an integral part of the Work we do here: Think of candida as your Predator. Think of alcohol, gluten, dairy, sugar and all the products that are inflammatory for you as psychopaths, the PTB, etc.

Now, when you listen to your Predator, that tells you to believe in lies or to behave in a certain way, to accept pathologicals into your life, etc, you lose a battle, and you don't grow, you can't Do, you just remain a hopeless machine. But the Predator is sneaky, and you will think it's just you who wants this or that, that it won't hurt if you manipulate just a little bit, etc.

Well, now let's replace the terms: When you listen to your candida (the cravings it generates), and accept inflammatory foods into your body, you lose a battle, you can't Do, you are in pain, you can't train your Will power, etc. But candida is sneaky (and so are all our messed up brain chemicals), so you think it's just you who wants this or that food, or that it won't hurt if you eat a little bit, etc.

So, this detox diet can be seen as a test of will. Also, as above so below. If we can't start with our bodies, how can we deal with other things?

3) This is part of the process of learning to respect yourselves. Your soul (or potential soul, higher being, etc) lives in your body! And without it, it couldn't exist. So if you care about it, you need to care about your health.

4) Some symptoms are hidden. It doesn't matter, you just do your best to prevent or not worsen autoimmune diseases, which a LOT of people have, including you, very likely. Toxins accumulate, and what you don't feel today, you WILL feel in the future. Another comparison with the external reality here: For most people democracy still exists, because the "symptoms" of a dictatorship are hidden to them. But if they look beyond themselves, if the do some research, if they question everything, and if something in them accumulates the frustration of feeling that something is not right, then, they SEE that there is a problem, and they have the power to do something about it if they want it. But they shouldn't wait too long. We shouldn't either, as concerns our health.

5) If our brain chemicals are so imbalanced, they constantly affect our emotions! So it is almost impossible to observe our emotions, to clean them, to stop being ruled by the distorted ones, if we don't deal with the neurochemicals too. In other words, this is seriously part of knowing yourselves and doing the Work, don't you think?

I hope this motivates you.

 

[Ollie]

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2) Healthy eating can be compared and is an integral part of the Work we do here: Think of candida as your Predator. Think of alcohol, gluten, dairy, sugar and all the products that are inflammatory for you as psychopaths, the PTB, etc.

Now, when you listen to your Predator, that tells you to believe in lies or to behave in a certain way, to accept pathologicals into your life, etc, you lose a battle, and you don't grow, you can't Do, you just remain a hopeless machine. But the Predator is sneaky, and you will think it's just you who wants this or that, that it won't hurt if you manipulate just a little bit, etc.

Well, now let's replace the terms: When you listen to your candida (the cravings it generates), and accept inflammatory foods into your body, you lose a battle, you can't Do, you are in pain, you can't train your Will power, etc. But candida is sneaky (and so are all our messed up brain chemicals), so you think it's just you who wants this or that food, or that it won't hurt if you eat a little bit, etc.
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Thank you for the above analogy, Ailen, I think that's brilliant! Your analogy really puts eating into perspective.

 

[Aiming]

Thank you for the above analogy, Ailen, I think that's brilliant! Your analogy really puts eating into perspective.

I second this, really a very helpful analogy, Ailen, thank you, it simply fits.

 

[Human]

Thank you for the above analogy, Ailen, I think that's brilliant! Your analogy really puts eating into perspective.

I second this, really a very helpful analogy, Ailen, thank you, it simply fits.

I third this!
Thank you Ailén, your analogy has opened a whole new window for me how to look at eating/diet.

 

[Chu]

You are welcome! It's not entirely my analogy, Laura brought it up first when we first started on the diet. :) I'm glad that it can motivate you. You can find a lot more other analogies that will help you in each particular situation.

One thing I forgot is to suggest that you think of this in social contexts too. When you are with friends or family who don't support the diet (for whatever reason), you can think of this as defending your destiny, not fighting against others. If it takes for you to say that you have celiac disease, or an allergy, or whatever, then do that! Sincerity with everyone is stupid, as Gurdjieff would say.

Some people try to be right all the time, or to tell others their true reasons for their choices. Well, in an ideal world everyone would understand if you explained the effects of gluten and other foods. But we don't live in that world. A lot of people don't want to listen and demand that you are like them. So, if people refuse to hear, then just do what you have to do in order for them to leave you alone. You are not hurting anybody by making healthy choices for yourself! (I tried to explain everything in the past, and it didn't work with my family, for example. So now I simply exaggerate the "horrible, terrible symptoms" I get if I were to eat what they eat. That's it, they leave me alone, they eat what they want, and everybody is happy.)

And if you notice thoughts in you like "but they won't love me anymore", or "they will think I'm crazy", "refusing wouldn't be polite", etc, you can realize that whoever doesn't respect your choices is not a true friend to begin with. It is with small things like that that we can learn to fight for our goals and against the General Law, I think.

FWIW.

 

[Human]

[quote author=Ailén]
You are welcome! It's not entirely my analogy, Laura brought it up first when we first started on the diet. :) I'm glad that it can motivate you. You can find a lot more other analogies that will help you in each particular situation.
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Then thanks to Laura also! :D

[quote author=Ailén]
One thing I forgot is to suggest that you think of this in social contexts too. When you are with friends or family who don't support the diet (for whatever reason), you can think of this as defending your destiny, not fighting against others. If it takes for you to say that you have celiac disease, or an allergy, or whatever, then do that! Sincerity with everyone is stupid, as Gurdjieff would say.

Some people try to be right all the time, or to tell others their true reasons for their choices. Well, in an ideal world everyone would understand if you explained the effects of gluten and other foods. But we don't live in that world. A lot of people don't want to listen and demand that you are like them. So, if people refuse to hear, then just do what you have to do in order for them to leave you alone. You are not hurting anybody by making healthy choices for yourself! (I tried to explain everything in the past, and it didn't work with my family, for example. So now I simply exaggerate the "horrible, terrible symptoms" I get if I were to eat what they eat. That's it, they leave me alone, they eat what they want, and everybody is happy.)

And if you notice thoughts in you like "but they won't love me anymore", or "they will think I'm crazy", "refusing wouldn't be polite", etc, you can realize that whoever doesn't respect your choices is not a true friend to begin with. It is with small things like that that we can learn to fight for our goals and against the General Law, I think.

FWIW.
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Oh my, you totally hit the mark in me with this remark! :O
In my struggles with explaining my wife that I don't want to eat diary and gluten anymore, I came across many times with her lines like "but you don't have celiac; you're not diary sensitive, ..." because before I was a real breadeater and milkdrinker.
Confronted like that I didn't want to enter into an argument and usually I would back off after a while, justifying to myself that I've been practising external considering towards her because she's tended to get very emotional when discussing these things. But what I've been really doing was sabotaging myself.

Sorry for usurping this thread like this.

Better go and prepare to shed some light on relationship with my wife in proper place designed for it; the thing that I've been postponing for quite some time now...

 

[Gawan]

You are all too kind!


Sorry that I couldn't reply earlier this day or even yesterday, cause of a minor depression and then I knocked myself out this morning, explanation follows.

Gawan, I've suffered from hypoglycemia - actually, hyperinsulinism - for years and the only diet that really works for me is plenty of meat and veggies. [...]

I second that! My blood sugar levels have never been stable, and some of my relatives have or died from diabetes.

To clarify myself, I'm a diabetic and insulin dependent that's the reason for my concerns, to have something fast at hand to eat, for example rice-crackers in case of an emergency.

So you can imagine that I try to pain attention to this. Eating protein, fat and lots of veggies is the key. Some fruits are fine if not eaten alone all the time, and also carby veggies like sweet potatoes, carrots, etc. Luckily, buckwheat and quinoa are higher in proteins (therefore having less carbohydrates), so when you are really hungry you can used them as fillers. But I doubt you'll get very hungry. And you should test every grain first, to see if you can tolerate their lectins. Life you, brown rice is not idea for me, buy quinoa and buckwheat are fine as long as I don't abuse.

I'm afraid at the present moment that I neither can tolerate buckwheat nor quinoa. I tested buckwheat pancakes this morning (I had a low bloodsugar) and then I felt really miserable (the feeling to be a stone could be describable), eventually my body is presently hyper sensitive against everything, cause of the inflammation I guess. The other assumption I have, what caused this miserable state this morning is: I took bladderwrack and these capsules are containing lactose (milk sugar) and iodine.

Anyway, what I experienced so far, that I in the middle of a day I can tolerate more things (rice, quinoa etc.) but in the morning my body doesn't tolerate anything at all.

For example yesterday, I cooked spinach and carrots (with seasalt and curcuma) and afterwards I felt also not good (similar symptoms: no motivation, feeling like a stone etc.), but the symptoms have been more latent and vanished faster.

5) If our brain chemicals are so imbalanced, they constantly affect our emotions! So it is almost impossible to observe our emotions, to clean them, to stop being ruled by the distorted ones, if we don't deal with the neurochemicals too. In other words, this is seriously part of knowing yourselves and doing the Work, don't you think?

You can say that again, actually this was about my entry post if it is possible, but now I'm working on it to find the cause and fix it, as already suggested.

What has been running through my head was also a quote from Gurdjieff, but I couldn't find that quote, but it said something along the line, when somebody is in pain, he forgets everything about the work.

And I found another quote from G. which is fitting imo.

He is not only the slave of the recognized and visible activity of the body but the slave of the unrecognized and the invisible activities of the body, and it is precisely these which hold him in their power. Therefore when a man decides to struggle for freedom he has first of all to struggle with his own body.

Some people try to be right all the time, or to tell others their true reasons for their choices. Well, in an ideal world everyone would understand if you explained the effects of gluten and other foods. But we don't live in that world. A lot of people don't want to listen and demand that you are like them. So, if people refuse to hear, then just do what you have to do in order for them to leave you alone. You are not hurting anybody by making healthy choices for yourself! (I tried to explain everything in the past, and it didn't work with my family, for example. So now I simply exaggerate the "horrible, terrible symptoms" I get if I were to eat what they eat. That's it, they leave me alone, they eat what they want, and everybody is happy.)

I have gone through similar things with some friends and I had the feeling of always in the need of defending myself, why am I doing all this. Or even with a doctor, when she stated that I can eat gluten. So far, my family stands behind me and supports me and also changes some things in their diet, at least threw out all pans with coating. ;)

 

[Chu]

Oh my, you totally hit the mark in me with this remark! :O
In my struggles with explaining my wife that I don't want to eat diary and gluten anymore, I came across many times with her lines like "but you don't have celiac; you're not diary sensitive, ..." because before I was a real breadeater and milkdrinker.
Confronted like that I didn't want to enter into an argument and usually I would back off after a while, justifying to myself that I've been practising external considering towards her because she's tended to get very emotional when discussing these things. But what I've been really doing was sabotaging myself.

It's a hard situation, when it concerns a spouse. You have to find a way to stick to your goal without contradictions. Perhaps a good approach would be to really commit to the diet, tell her it's a test you are doing on yourself, and that you need support, and then maybe when she notices you are feeling much better (you can mention that often), she'll finally understand that your choice was a good one. You can't ask her to do the detox, but that doesn't mean that you have to sabotage yourself, like you put it! You could also tell her that when she doesn't support you on this, that hurts you, which is probably the truth.

Sorry for usurping this thread like this.

Better go and prepare to shed some light on relationship with my wife in proper place designed for it; the thing that I've been postponing for quite some time now...

Excellent. You will feel better after you share all this, I think.

 

[Chu]

To clarify myself, I'm a diabetic and insulin dependent that's the reason for my concerns, to have something fast at hand to eat, for example rice-crackers in case of an emergency.

Would having dried fruits instead of rice crackers help? Have you tried that? You can eat cranberries, prunes, etc.
But I think that increasing the protein intake will help more to stabilize it, so that you prevent those cases of emergency.

I'm afraid at the present moment that I neither can tolerate buckwheat nor quinoa. I tested buckwheat pancakes this morning (I had a low bloodsugar) and then I felt really miserable (the feeling to be a stone could be describable), eventually my body is presently hyper sensitive against everything, cause of the inflammation I guess. The other assumption I have, what caused this miserable state this morning is: I took bladderwrack and these capsules are containing lactose (milk sugar) and iodine.

Anyway, what I experienced so far, that I in the middle of a day I can tolerate more things (rice, quinoa etc.) but in the morning my body doesn't tolerate anything at all.

What do you usually eat for dinner, and at what time?

For example yesterday, I cooked spinach and carrots (with seasalt and curcuma) and afterwards I felt also not good (similar symptoms: no motivation, feeling like a stone etc.), but the symptoms have been more latent and vanished faster.

I think that the lack of protein in that meal may have contributed to your not feeling well. I don't know what the recommended percentage of protein intake is for diabetes, so I'm just telling you this based on my solution for regulating blood sugar levels. FWIW.

Thanks for Gurdjieff's quote. Very appropriate. And I'm glad to hear that you are getting your family to slowly be supportive of your changes. :)

 

[vectis]

Interesting thread, the first I'll comment on... whenever I hear the song "King of Pain" I think "that's me"... and I don't want it to be. Thanks to martial arts training I've learned to concentrate on the pain (what, where, how and why), and then think "through" the pain. Tell myself, "this too shall pass." There is an art to being able to "step outside oneself" and observe the body as a carriage. My constant ailment started when I got smashed in the head in a car accident in 1989. I eventually ended up in a brain injury rehabilitation facility for three years. What a long strange trip it's been since then. I take Neurontin as needed for anti-seizure purposes and nerve pain, it is the most lenient medicine I have tried which I do NOT have to take every day. It helps alleviate nerve tremors and headaches.

Some pains are not easy to locate. there is a lot of helpful information in this thread which I can relate to. To use radio engineering as an analogy: Consider pain as a pirate radio station. You need to "triangulate" three or four recievers, from different directions, to be able to hone in on and locate the offending transmitter. In health matters, you can use the HALT method first: Am I Hungry, Angry, Lonely or Tired? All these have been covered in this thread.... Look at your diet, emotion, attitude, environment, etc. Blood tests and a doctor you can trust are also good ideas. I've had to learn how to become my own doctor, my own advocate. The C's mention "vigilance, vigilance, vigilance" which is so true when it comes to health.

To alleviate discomfort, it depends on what my body is telling me. I walk, I read, I sleep. I mediate. I pray. So many times have I asked "why me" and the answer is always the same... "because you can handle it"! I've looked at my health challenges as not only lessons, but as a constant test. A test of character. I have had to learn depths of discernment, temperance, patience, tolerance, fortitude. So many times I've wanted to just end it all, just to stop all the mental, physical, emotional pain. That is where a support network comes in handy. Family and friends you can reach out to, those you know you Love and trust. There is a little book which comes to mind as I type this, something that has helped me face and accept my "discomforts." I have not seen it referred to Cassiopaea-wise (yet); it's called "At the Feet of the Master." I can't think of the authors name off the top of my head, but I think Annie Besant wrote an introduction to it, and it is published by the Theosophical Society (which I hope is not a bad hit)...

I hope this isn't too much for my first comment (or to be seen as hijacking?) but this thread has
touched a thread in my head.... Today I am going back up to Boston to the Tufts Medical Center.
My head injuries continue to haunt me in ways I won't detail here. I just keep moving forward
asking lots of questions and looking for answers that ring true. Don't give up! Where there is a
will, there is a way. Keep the Spirit willing tho the flesh be weak... In the Coast Guard it's said:
there are no problems - only challenges.

 

[Gawan]

Would having dried fruits instead of rice crackers help? Have you tried that? You can eat cranberries, prunes, etc.
But I think that increasing the protein intake will help more to stabilize it, so that you prevent those cases of emergency.

That's a pretty good idea, when I can tolerate them, that means I have to test them again. Nonetheless I'm on the anti-candida diet, so this test has to wait a little ;).

What do you usually eat for dinner, and at what time?

I have no fixed times, but maybe around 8'o clock in the evening. Yesterday it has been later, about 10'o clock p.m. At the moment cause of the diet changes I'm eating almost everynight some meat with vegetables. But cause you are asking, I should only eat something light: i.e. vegetables. I will test this out.

I think that the lack of protein in that meal may have contributed to your not feeling well. I don't know what the recommended percentage of protein intake is for diabetes, so I'm just telling you this based on my solution for regulating blood sugar levels. FWIW.

I'm afraid it is not, maybe spinach could be a possibility itself, but also this day, just with chicken and some carrots these symptoms occurred.

Than maybe it's another reaction cause of not improving things: olive oil, carrots etc. Eventually it's the best to do a double blind muscle test, suggested by Laura with my flatmate.

 

[Gaby]

Hi Gawan,

I noticed that many of the dietary problems you've been having were discussed in the forum. But if you are still having trouble finding the right balance of foods or even supplementation, you should go to an alternative doctor or orthomolecular doctor who can help you (http://orthomolecular.org/resources/pract.shtml). If you find yourself confused with all the information, perhaps you need some direct guidance, someone who can provide health assistance according to your specific problems, lifestyle, etc taking in consideration your immune problems/diabetes. Someone you can team up yourself with, considering all you have learned about unhealthy foods, supplementation, etc. In addition, an orthomolecular or alternative doctor might offer you good alternative treatment of the kind that is not available in your local health store.

 

[Laura]

Hi Gawan,

I noticed that many of the dietary problems you've been having were discussed in the forum. But if you are still having trouble finding the right balance of foods or even supplementation, you should go to an alternative doctor or orthomolecular doctor who can help you (http://orthomolecular.org/resources/pract.shtml). If you find yourself confused with all the information, perhaps you need some direct guidance, someone who can provide health assistance according to your specific problems, lifestyle, etc taking in consideration your immune problems/diabetes. Someone you can team up yourself with, considering all you have learned about unhealthy foods, supplementation, etc. In addition, an orthomolecular or alternative doctor might offer you good alternative treatment of the kind that is not available in your local health store.

I agree, Gawan. Your health issues have been addressed at length; Psyche provided you with a personalized program that you have, apparently, not followed and/or have not provided her with all the essential data. I don't know what part of "don't put anything in your mouth that isn't on the diet or hasn't been checked for hidden toxins" you don't understand, but you seem to self-sabotage repeatedly.