What happens if you fail in the work?
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anart said:
The Pressmans talk about this in the Narcissistic Family. For adult children of narcissists, the idea that there are several options available to us in every decision is a foreign, bizarre concept. We get stuck up on a moralistic, black or white, right or wrong worldview, where there's only one right choice, and if we don't make it, then WE'RE a mistake, WE'RE wrong, useless, hopeless, etc. But rather, every choice we make and all their consequences are probabilities. It all has to do with what our AIM is, and with an aim, every mistake can be a learning opportunity. After all, we learn more from mistakes than we do from doing things 'right'. If we make the 'right' choices, but make them mechanically, we're still mechanical. But if we make mistakes, we can see the errors we've made, the consequences of behaving in certain ways (often the only ones in our repertoire), and then we can choose to act in new ways. We can see how our repertoire doesn't serve our aims, and that makes new choices and probabilities appear to our consciousness.
So, can one 'fail' in the Work? Probably, but probably not in the way you think! If you stay committed to Working, to networking and receiving the impressions that the network offers, with your Aim always in your mind, the universe will not stop offering opportunities for progress and growth, IMO. And if you become disenchanted with the Work, as Gurdjieff describes many of his former students did, then who knows, there's always a chance to come back to it! The universe is open, after all.
altamash said:
My apologies for having misunderstood you, altamash.
In any case, Anart's earlier suggestion that you read the Wave series in it's entirety, still stands if you want to remain part of this group and this is not a threat. It's so that all of us here are speaking the same "language" so to speak. We have repeatedly stated the transcripts should not be read on their own outside of the context provided by Laura's work, as in our experience people often misinterpret them and tend to project their own ideas, beliefs, and biases onto them.
Meager1
Dagobah Resident
"They are their own punishment.
And what punishment could be worse?"
Today or yesterday, I forget which, I was sent a yahoo notice denying access to the last of the group lists, so I am officially gone now.
So, ok, this is either of my own doing or not, doesn`t matter really and I certainly don`t blame anyone else, because it was me who lost the "faith" or, whatever.
Even so, I do not feel like a failure and as I have stated many times, I will never quit trying with or without the "group".
I will keep following along and try to glean what I can from the forum here and do the best I can.
I don`t feel punished, nor do I feel like a failure and I wish only success to you all and I know that if anyone can actually do it.. you all can!
And what punishment could be worse?"
Today or yesterday, I forget which, I was sent a yahoo notice denying access to the last of the group lists, so I am officially gone now.
So, ok, this is either of my own doing or not, doesn`t matter really and I certainly don`t blame anyone else, because it was me who lost the "faith" or, whatever.
Even so, I do not feel like a failure and as I have stated many times, I will never quit trying with or without the "group".
I will keep following along and try to glean what I can from the forum here and do the best I can.
I don`t feel punished, nor do I feel like a failure and I wish only success to you all and I know that if anyone can actually do it.. you all can!
slowone
Jedi Master
To all who have posted, Thank you.
I am going to take my time to read the whole thread thoroughly and think long and hard about it before I post again. I've not gone, just thinking!
In answer to Oxajil, yes I have read all the Wave series and Secret History but I was thinking of rereading them for a while now, so maybe nows the time! :)
I am going to take my time to read the whole thread thoroughly and think long and hard about it before I post again. I've not gone, just thinking!
In answer to Oxajil, yes I have read all the Wave series and Secret History but I was thinking of rereading them for a while now, so maybe nows the time! :)
Meager1 said:
You were notified, along with everyone else, that QFS was closing as a "work on yourself" group, that it was being converted to use of EE teachers and FOTCM steering committee. So, sorry, that one doesn't fly. You just weren't paying attention.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Meager1 said:
If you had been following posts in QFS, then you would have noticed that it was decided that the forum now serves the purpose of QFS - in other words, the teaching was moved here, to the forum, to benefit a greater number of people after QFS was transformed to the purposes Laura stated. All in all, this isn't some grand rejection of you, or you 'failing' - it is merely you consistently not paying attention to what is going on.
There is a very easy remedy for that, simply start paying attention.
Meager1 said:
That's an auto-response as it probably says on it somewhere. There's generally a long queue of individuals that try to join QFS or cass without an invitation and every few months the boxes are checked en masse, and they are all rejected. I didn't know your name was in the queue, or when you tried to join back with the group, it was a "mass mailing", so to say, and nothing personal to you.
Meager1 said:
If I'd applied for membership nine months ago and never got a reply, I probably would have inquired about it before now.
There were several emails in QFS directed at you back then that you never replied to or perhaps didn't notice if you received the digest version.
Again, it comes down to paying attention, not mind reading.
dannybananny
Jedi Council Member
You see yourself isolated from higher self, what if you are on 5D and you are closer to higher self, then your decision would be truly yours- there won't be two of you, this is predator talking when you imply i will ask my higher self, you want ask no one we because that person would stay within your body here and will die with it. Your soul doesn't care where it is learning it's lessons because STO doesn't have wishes it only has knowledge of what is, and saying that you want to go to some high tech planet is wishful thinking done we know all by what, this is concentrating on external and not on that what is important - internal growth. I would rather go with someone who can give me suffering, pain and tears because I learn more and i earn my will, but saying that i can feel also that part of me resisting saying that because it knows it isn't easy but it isn't me and it isn't time to close eyes on reality and is time to put aside that childish thinking.
I see it as a truth, you start again but the problem is perception how do you see it. When Laura asked C's if that is a punishment they only said it is learning, the problem is with our beliefs what is wrong what is right, there isn't right and wrong, and someone saying that doesn't really know what is to be in position of person that does "wrong" choice but this world is full of judgments, no one respects each other choices.
When C's said about soul smashing I think it has to do if you act against your polarity which is to big shock for soul to handle because maybe it's to sudden change in polarity and wave magnifies that, but it's probably different for every person that is someone will incarnate in other planet, some will do cycle again, some will be smashed, some will go to 4D and die and some want die, others can be hit by truck tomorrow, you see how it's pointless to think about it. What happens you can really do nothing about that, you can do only best and be best that you can and ask yourself is that the best thing you can do, if you "fail" or succeed you are still something special, and i know from personal experience that thinking about the future can be toxic, it's even stupid to do that because it never ends like you think it will, it's better to do what you can do - work on yourself and live now because it's the only thing you have and can do. If it is a problem of will and you don't have it, do it again, and again, and again until you make it, if you need to do it 1000 times do it, every problem I found with myself is in that thoughts that say to you you can't do it or others do that kill you spiritually and limit you and it isn't truth, it's all matter of belief in you, there's no limits in the end. If we all knew real consequences of our action we would surly be 100 per cent in work, talking and experiencing are two sides and whenever I get a sleep I think about it, it isn't so much about fear - it's about knowing about yourself, but there is always some fear and fear sometimes can help, and everyone fears except if he isn't a psychopath or spiritually advanced . G. said (I remember when O. asked him) about reincarnation that it's better to not know about it because you will give much more to work then not knowing about it. I don't know what else to say you slowone, you have to find what you ask in yourself and think about it, good luck.
