What programs have YOU discovered?

[mabar]

I came to post a program a recently discover, but I ended reading the latest post, that it helps or relates from different sides to it.

Hi Biomiast,

What I have discovered so far is: One must have an attitude as anart describes. No matter how much time you have, give what you can to learning. If your effort is sincere, Universe is there to help you and guide you.

I understand you. But I don't even know if there is such guiding universe, it's an assumption and often I doubt it... How can you really know that what you are doing is the right way? There are so many uncertainties in this world...

Sometimes we expect that this "guiding universe" manifest itself with clear signs which we can differenciate from our ordinary life, but I think it could be seen in every act of will full of faith, in every situation there is an oportunity for us to see more, to understand more if we are ready to open our minds.

Have you ever find yourself doing things with a clear intent in mind but without preconceptions regarding the result, and finding how it develops untill a clear pattern could be seen?

It is up to you to see everything as an oportunity and venture to discover or isolate yourself and pretend that everything happens as you want it to, constricting the process.

You can learn from everything with the right state of mind but it doesn't works if learning becomes a course where you need to be at a definite time, in a definite place, with a definitive knowledge :)

Are you practicing EE?

The program I discover is about trusting people, basically or more recently some one said to me “don´t worry … “ I usually began to worry after such statement is done. And my mind goes flying to different outcomes, most likely the negative ones. A couple of days back I just heard it from my lawyer (I am at the present involve in a legal issue, I had thought that would had been better to had done it in another way-my way) I do not like to depend in other people, it wears me out, I become nervous and I tend to be anxious, and try or like to be informed constantly? …. I now realize that this is another program. After she told me “dont worry” I began to ponder about it and I really, really wanted to have trust in her words, to change my way of thinking and feeling I usually had done it since I remember, just with a clik!, so I try, after a couple of breaths I began to see it from a different perspective and for an instant… I felt just fine (I literally felt it ....a nice warm feeling), to be able to trust in others and to trust my self of/on my feelings, to be able to see/hear to the “guiding universe” … throwing far, far away the predator…

This was hard to write … these crying emotions overwhelm me while writting ...

Later, as the days pass on, I feel I am on a zigzag … its been an struggle fighting this programs, so I now understood that may be I was in the need of those “crying emotions feelings” as to gain some sort of empowerment to fight (I really feel quite calmer now) those programs, since they were winning this morning.

Thanks,
mabar

 

[Seppo Ilmarinen]

I have this habit of creating an imaginary debate in my mind with different people, where i have this conflict of opinions with this imaginated person
(often someone i know). Sometimes the issue can be from a previous real life situation and sometimes a total fantasy. I've been doing this for many years, propably my whole life but only recently i've started to really pay attention to it and occasionally been ably to stop it before it drains me emotionally. Socially i'm concidered to be quite calm and a bit shy (with people i don't know) person and this program is probably strong in me because i've used it to deal events that have been hurtful, like bullying, so i can take care of myself and not get hurt.

Now i realize that this need of not get hurt has affected me through this program to develop a qualities that can be hurtful to others, because it prepares me to a conflict instead of understanding and agreement. It's still running in me but atleast i can see it better and EE has been helpful in revealing this program. Does this sound familiar with anyone else?

 

[mabar]

I have this habit of creating an imaginary debate in my mind with different people, where i have this conflict of opinions with this imaginated person
(often someone i know). Sometimes the issue can be from a previous real life situation and sometimes a total fantasy. I've been doing this for many years, propably my whole life but only recently i've started to really pay attention to it and occasionally been ably to stop it before it drains me emotionally. Socially i'm concidered to be quite calm and a bit shy (with people i don't know) person and this program is probably strong in me because i've used it to deal events that have been hurtful, like bullying, so i can take care of myself and not get hurt.

Now i realize that this need of not get hurt has affected me through this program to develop a qualities that can be hurtful to others, because it prepares me to a conflict instead of understanding and agreement. It's still running in me but atleast i can see it better and EE has been helpful in revealing this program. Does this sound familiar with anyone else?

Is it familiar to me, I have similar program regarding shyness but instead to develop ---not sure about using the "qualties" word, but I tend to hurt myself instead of hurting others because I am more tolerant and condescendant to others than myself, that being another program. Programs had been surging lately and/or I am able to identify them easier? since practicing EE program and with the help of the literature of narcissism and overall psicological themes, posts, other experiences etc... from this forum and also from the wave series, adventures and amazing grace, the dinamic of those books helps me to understand life, since they go from theory to practice.

 

[Oxajil]

The program I discover is about trusting people, basically or more recently some one said to me “don´t worry … “ I usually began to worry after such statement is done. And my mind goes flying to different outcomes, most likely the negative ones. A couple of days back I just heard it from my lawyer (I am at the present involve in a legal issue, I had thought that would had been better to had done it in another way-my way) I do not like to depend in other people, it wears me out, I become nervous and I tend to be anxious, and try or like to be informed constantly? …. I now realize that this is another program. After she told me “dont worry” I began to ponder about it and I really, really wanted to have trust in her words, to change my way of thinking and feeling I usually had done it since I remember, just with a clik!, so I try, after a couple of breaths I began to see it from a different perspective and for an instant… I felt just fine (I literally felt it ....a nice warm feeling), to be able to trust in others and to trust my self of/on my feelings, to be able to see/hear to the “guiding universe” … throwing far, far away the predator…

This was hard to write … these crying emotions overwhelm me while writting ...

Later, as the days pass on, I feel I am on a zigzag … its been an struggle fighting this programs, so I now understood that may be I was in the need of those “crying emotions feelings” as to gain some sort of empowerment to fight (I really feel quite calmer now) those programs, since they were winning this morning.

Thanks,
mabar

I've got the same kind program, having difficulties to trust others. I have learned that it could come from past negative experiences regarding trusting others (like during childhood). What has helped me, and what I'm still working on, is to properly grief those experiences, and trying to understand them in their context. If we do not grieve properly, and learn from those experiences and let go in some way, we may unconsciously assume that trustworthiness is lacking from all people, and so we constantly may behave in such a way as to protect ourselves from possible pain. But what we really do is isolate ourselves from the world, and not enabling ourselves to bond/relate with others (or ourselves), in their appropriate ways.

I've found myself to be extreme either way; trusting others too much and become totally dependent upon them or not trusting people at all. But I am slowly understanding the healthy way of trusting. It is obviously important to be careful as well, but not to go too extreme as to isolate ourselves. We can see whether someone is trustworthy based on their actions for example, and we can then decide what to do further. Obviously many people may not follow promises or do many things, after all, we are all quite mechanical in our doings. And then there are psychopaths... But the main thing I'm learning and have been practicing is to actually pay attention to the other person as well, trying to be more objective, rather than to assume all the time, which can be quite a waste of energy.

Regarding these issues, keeping a journal has been helpful to me. I was wondering that maybe doing a couple of writing exercises on your (past) trust issues could help you further mabar?

 

[Jones]

Is it familiar to me, I have similar program regarding shyness but instead to develop ---not sure about using the "qualties" word, but I tend to hurt myself instead of hurting others because I am more tolerant and condescendant to others than myself, that being another program. Programs had been surging lately and/or I am able to identify them easier? since practicing EE program and with the help of the literature of narcissism and overall psicological themes, posts, other experiences etc... from this forum and also from the wave series, adventures and amazing grace, the dinamic of those books helps me to understand life, since they go from theory to practice.

I recognise this, but I'm beginning to think that being tolerant can sometimes hurt people. Maybe the program is that you're not hurting them when in reality you may be. Well, it seems to be the case for me anyway.

 

[mabar]

Oxajil and Jones, thanks for your replays... can´t answer today because I need to do it with calm. Dont want to do it with rush, my time to do this had ended.

 

[mabar]

I've got the same kind program, having difficulties to trust others. I have learned that it could come from past negative experiences regarding trusting others (like during childhood). What has helped me, and what I'm still working on, is to properly grief those experiences, and trying to understand them in their context. If we do not grieve properly, and learn from those experiences and let go in some way, we may unconsciously assume that trustworthiness is lacking from all people, and so we constantly may behave in such a way as to protect ourselves from possible pain. But what we really do is isolate ourselves from the world, and not enabling ourselves to bond/relate with others (or ourselves), in their appropriate ways.

I've found myself to be extreme either way; trusting others too much and become totally dependent upon them or not trusting people at all. But I am slowly understanding the healthy way of trusting. It is obviously important to be careful as well, but not to go too extreme as to isolate ourselves. We can see whether someone is trustworthy based on their actions for example, and we can then decide what to do further. Obviously many people may not follow promises or do many things, after all, we are all quite mechanical in our doings. And then there are psychopaths... But the main thing I'm learning and have been practicing is to actually pay attention to the other person as well, trying to be more objective, rather than to assume all the time, which can be quite a waste of energy.

Regarding these issues, keeping a journal has been helpful to me. I was wondering that maybe doing a couple of writing exercises on your (past) trust issues could help you further mabar?

I have been thinking these days about what you posted, I think it would be useful to write it down issues, it had helped before, although it hadn't been an habit, I started this past weekend and found out another program, while writting ... I got stuck? I noticed that I stopped writting and began drawing little filigree like drawings, I realized that it is not new and I remember doing when I am ... do not know how to describe the state I am is like staring the sky, and when I noticed it, the brain seems to start working again? ... I supposed I have issues too with that respect, I think it would be intersting to know why I feel stuck or why I ended stuck.

Viewing in retrospective other parts of my self, I must admit that I do tend to withdraw from people, thinking that, I was just being cautious. I might be in extremes too, had not been observant in that issue. And I think is important to do so.

thanks,
mabar

 

[mabar]

I recognise this, but I'm beginning to think that being tolerant can sometimes hurt people. Maybe the program is that you're not hurting them when in reality you may be. Well, it seems to be the case for me anyway.

Which would be your case? if I can ask? .... I have been thinking that it may be the case, although I had not been able into explaining myself with an example.

thanks,
mabar

 

[TOTEM36]

I've found myself to be extreme either way; trusting others too much and become totally dependent upon them or not trusting people at all.

but rather than considering this as a fault, lately, i have been considering this as a virtue, being as it is that i am disgusted by everyday relationships and cruelty of the world generally. In other words the world is just not compatible with me and my deep love for others. I have no faith in the robots out there, real people are as rare as diamonds.

 

[Jones]

I recognise this, but I'm beginning to think that being tolerant can sometimes hurt people. Maybe the program is that you're not hurting them when in reality you may be. Well, it seems to be the case for me anyway.

Which would be your case? if I can ask? .... I have been thinking that it may be the case, although I had not been able into explaining myself with an example.

thanks,
mabar

I can think of a couple of examples.

If anti-social behaviors are tolerated in children for example, then they may have difficulty making or keeping friends. If you tolerate manipulative behaviors, then perhaps you are preventing someone from learning their lessons.

I think sometimes tolerance might be a part of the 'be nice' program in that it may be feeding the STS part of people.

 

[mabar]

If anti-social behaviors are tolerated in children for example, then they may have difficulty making or keeping friends. If you tolerate manipulative behaviors, then perhaps you are preventing someone from learning their lessons.

I think sometimes tolerance might be a part of the 'be nice' program in that it may be feeding the STS part of people.

Right!! the spoiled children, that's a very good example ... and ...well not sure if it is because I had been lately observing my own programs that, when I am being a witness in a narcissistic like mother with her child situation try to intervene favoring the child of curse because I do feel identify with the child in that moment, but ...I feel sad because the last "immovable" word is her/his mother.

And yes, if I change "tolerance" with "be nice" program, I surely by falling into it... -more tips to observe.

thanks

 

[Seppo Ilmarinen]

I've found myself to be extreme either way; trusting others too much and become totally dependent upon them or not trusting people at all.

but rather than considering this as a fault, lately, i have been considering this as a virtue, being as it is that i am disgusted by everyday relationships and cruelty of the world generally. In other words the world is just not compatible with me and my deep love for others. I have no faith in the robots out there, real people are as rare as diamonds.

hallowed, i understand your message but aren't we all mechanical "robots" in the end? Lately it has become easier to pay attention to controversial behavior in other people but i have to say that i'm still too often too blind when judging my own actions. Because we are all part of this STS reality i would myself hesitate to define people into robots and real people (excluding psychopaths).

 

[TOTEM36]

hallowed, i understand your message but aren't we all mechanical "robots" in the end? Lately it has become easier to pay attention to controversial behavior in other people but i have to say that i'm still too often too blind when judging my own actions. Because we are all part of this STS reality i would myself hesitate to define people into robots and real people (excluding psychopaths).

hey Seppo, i was actually going to post a little 'excuse me for that everybody' as i was blowing off a bit of steam that afternoon. Even when we 'think' we are not being mechanical, it is a often a lie. A bit of self-importance on my part i think. cheers.

 

[Menna]

In some aspect it is a gift to know the heavily robotic and psychopaths. Recognize them and then stop the energy drain and protect yourself from them. Because of these interactions you now know when you come across those dimonds and this way you will allow better quality people into your life. I would never trust someone I just met or don't know well. They would have to prove that they are trust worthly through stories about their life and their interactions with life that are telling of their character. To trust someone on a whim is not so much that persons fault but yours.

 

[Bluestar]

After noticing this for many many years, it has just dawned on me that it may a program or it is just plain pathological.

I will be doing something, mechanically like locking the front door, turning off the oven, things that we all do everyday. But then after a short time, my thoughts go in the direction of..."did I turn the oven off?" "Did I lock the door" "where did I put such and such, it was just in my hand?" Now yes this could be short term memory loss, but I think that it is more my mechanicalness of doing something without thinking about the action only later to go over it in my mind and not remember if I did it. May be a cross circuit of system one doing things and system two being asleep or thinking about something else.

Have to admit I am a bit compulsive like I may check the car doors after I know I locked them, two or three times or I just locked the front door, but have to check if it is locked. Or this compulsiveness I describe is just more of the program running because I don't want to be in a position of not being able to check my doubts and have to 'worry' about it the whole time until I can finally check and see.