What's your goal?
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Azur
The Living Force
Beau,beau said:
That is just about perfect. :)
If I could light a single candle in this darkness (however that might manifest), it will have been a good life.
To see others realize that this existence is not the only existence there is, that darkness is not the only or default state of the human experience, is a goal I harbour.
You have a point that I need to think with a hammer about this. For all I know I wake up next weekend and then what.ark said:
When I wake up I will work on staying awake, looking around for others that "resonate" that are awake and help those that are ready to wake up and those awake by applying the knowledge that I gained myself from this waking up and staying awake process. After that I will sit down for a few minutes, have a beer and continue on with work and learning.
I admit I used a little tack hammer for this...
Edit:
I just realized that many years ago I vowed never to give up, so that is definitely a goal in my life
Ruth, I'm not sure what you mean by waking people up. If by that you mean knocking on people's heads with the truth hammer then of course you will fail miserably as we know most people don't want to wake up. It also contradicts your second goal: to give them what they ask, which is to be allowed to keep on sleeping.Ruth said:
In other words, I don't think it is possible to wake people up. We can only help them if they already want to wake up by themselves.
Rich
The Living Force
Ark said:
Thích Quảng Dức Self-immolation 1963
When the time comes, I would like to be able to great death without regret, integrity-intact and with the calmness of knowing that my life wasn't wasted.
In thinking about this I remembered the above image as a representation of calmness under suffering.
Ruth
The Living Force
To me, The Matrix is an expression of STS which will exist for as long as we exist (forever) and it will exist in a particular place - for example - this planet; as long as STS can maintain the illusion that STS is 'normal' or the only real alternative anyone has.Azur said:
In order to dismantle it, you have to dismantle the illusion. No easy task, and you have to do that for everyone eg: it has to be what everybody has 'seen' and what they want.
Disconecting from the Matrix is a very difficult process too. I mean, look at Neo and his bunch. It absolutely made their life harder to live outside The Matrix (the illusion), but people were kept there (in slavery), via the process of illusion.
I maintain that it can be 'disassembled', but not from the outside, from the inside via the only process that the Lizzies can't interfere with (unless they use illusion) - free will.
Ruth
The Living Force
Actually what I would be trying to do is to dismantle their control over me and the manipulation of my free will (and others). This is removing something that is against my free will. They won't like it, naturally, and will attempt to reassert their domination again.rise said:
If everybody thought like that and 'saw' the problem, the Lizzies would have no choice but to leave as they would have no-one to dupe and manipulate to control. This should be an option for everyone, not just me, or a group, (ie. a select few) but everyone. 'Everyone' can and does have the ability to make choices, they just don't 'see' it.
Ruth
The Living Force
I strongly believe that people do want to wake up - they just don't like the process of it and that's why they don't. Its painful, dirty, dangerous as well as mentally challenging. Most people would want to be awake without all that painful process. Trouble is they can't have this awakened stat unless they go through all that 'stuff'. Its like a 'test' accept its a blind test. You don't know what the outcome will be because most of the time you can't see you are being tested. A bit like this story.hoangmphung said:
http://www.mythweb.com/encyc/entries/jason.html
Jason was 'tested' by Hera. It seemed he passed the test.
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
But how people can be awakened if they even don’t know they are sleeping?
Many of them, even if they are sleeping most of the time, open their eyes, for a second or two, before going back to sleep. If at this short moment when their eyes (or minds) are open, you tell them: "See, you can awake! Now, if it is your wish, go back to sleep" - then next time they wake up for a second, they may ask themselves: "What was it about me being asleep? Me? Never!" And the curious part of them may start to grow.Avala said:
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
In the end it seems that matrix is not so powerful like we think it is. And it seems that the only thing that hold matrix together is our thoughts and our laziness to think.
It is amazing how that whole thing about matrix and awakening looks so simple to person who is awake or starts to awake. But it also seems that it is hardest to keep that wish for awakening when we are asleep or just start to awake. Maybe it is very important to look for people who opens their eyes in that second or two, or just be here for them when it happens.
It is amazing how that whole thing about matrix and awakening looks so simple to person who is awake or starts to awake. But it also seems that it is hardest to keep that wish for awakening when we are asleep or just start to awake. Maybe it is very important to look for people who opens their eyes in that second or two, or just be here for them when it happens.
Aithin Tusa Fein
Jedi
Good question Ark. For me it's like this:
I'm learning so much about our reality and myself. And the more I learn, the more objective I become, which changes my mentality. And it seems to me that every time I have a goal, or reach a goal, there must always be another and another.
Now the way it has been with me, is that every time I have a goal, I "want" to reach it. And in my experience, it is "wanting" that blinds me from the reality that I am learning about. It's like something that you see in the distance and you hypnotically stare at it and you miss everything that is right there in front of you. Its like "wanting" is limiting.
Don't get me wrong I still have goals only smaller, like knowing my self "in the objective sense" and other material ones. But it was a good question. It really had me thinking.
Not that I am saying anything against having goals, but I guess my goal in "life" would be to not have goals and just Be. That being said, my "wanting" to "Be" is also not productive, because I'm "wanting." Oh well, I guess this is where I am right now.
However, let me ask a question. Can there be a "Goal" without "wanting" to fulfill it/reach it?
I'm learning so much about our reality and myself. And the more I learn, the more objective I become, which changes my mentality. And it seems to me that every time I have a goal, or reach a goal, there must always be another and another.
Now the way it has been with me, is that every time I have a goal, I "want" to reach it. And in my experience, it is "wanting" that blinds me from the reality that I am learning about. It's like something that you see in the distance and you hypnotically stare at it and you miss everything that is right there in front of you. Its like "wanting" is limiting.
Don't get me wrong I still have goals only smaller, like knowing my self "in the objective sense" and other material ones. But it was a good question. It really had me thinking.
Not that I am saying anything against having goals, but I guess my goal in "life" would be to not have goals and just Be. That being said, my "wanting" to "Be" is also not productive, because I'm "wanting." Oh well, I guess this is where I am right now.
However, let me ask a question. Can there be a "Goal" without "wanting" to fulfill it/reach it?
I think it is possible. You do not need to "want it" or "to want to fulfill it/reach it. You simply go for it without "wanting". Like when you breath. You don't have to want to breath (well, sometimes you want). You just breath, because it is "natural" for you. It is in your "nature". That does not mean that you should not be "aware" of doing it. Awareness helps. But awareness is not the same as "wanting".Aithin Tusa Fein said:
You may just observe: "Oh, boy, I am working for my goal. It feels good. And it feels even better when i know what I am doing." Then it does not matter whether you are far from your goal or close to it. It does not matter if on your way you decide: "My goal was silly. But now I see a better one."
When you "want" - then re-defining your goal becomes much harder. You get "attached" to your goal. You identify with it. The goal "tends to own" you.
So, you may just go for your goal, full speed, and, if necessary, change the direction without any inertia - like those UFOs :)
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Note: I do not forget the first question in this thread: "What is your goal, Ark?" But, I must say, that the description of my goal will be just repeating what many of you have stated. Nothing particularly original :)
Zadius Sky
The Living Force
It is usually the journey that counts...but then what's a journey without a destination (goal)?
