What's your goal?

I remember from reading ISoTM the way of the monk/fakir/yogi was the slow way of doing things. Being that there isn't much time left, I don't know if that will be the most efficient way to work on one's self. Then again, if you feel that is what you need to do, then there is no-one stopping you. I do think that there no better 'teacher' than life itself. Especially in society where the many opportunity to apply what you learn can present itself.

As for my own goals, I didn't really know what they were at first. Ultimately I would like to be free of a physical existence (4d does sound heaps more interesting! :P). Realistically, just trying to get my diet to the point where I know what foods work for me, detox and consistently doing E/E are at the forefront. Having a well maintained machine will facilitate the rest I think.
 
Hi Daco,

As others have said, if that is what you want, then there should be no stopping you. However, are you sure you know what being a Zen monk means?

Bud said:
daco said:
the real goal is to become master of oneself (without that nothing can be achieved),to be free,to gain will,awareness and to DO.


daco said:
Just out of curiosity, what exactly is a Zen Monk and why would you want to go to the monastery?

It is hard to explain in intellectual way,I just following my instinct,it is like a blink.
I think that zen is not just a way of the monk,that they dont work only on emotions,they work on intellect too (koans for example),for moving-sexual-instinctive center I dont know,but main think is that there is a group of people who works on themselves.


Hi daco. You seem to be unsure exactly what results a monk's life produces. How can you be so sure this is what you want to do? Could there be something else going on?

I agree with Bud. To make sure you want something, you first need to know what that something is, otherwise you are at risk of choosing something out of an illusion. And we're very good at creating illusions out of something we don't know to hide the holes of our inner needs.
Always good to look before you leap ;)

Edit: grammar
 
daco said:
I want to change myself I,m not alone like you wrote here just empty and this is horrible to see it in yourself,that you are empty,if you ever feel that you will know what I,m talking about

Maybe you can elaborate a little more on this :), how does this emptyness manifest in your life? Does it happens always, in determinate moments, with determinated persons, situations, thoughts..?
Do you ever try to observe it, in order to acknowledge its cause?
 
To understand the world, to discover what is still latent, and to learn my current lessons. And, of course, not to forget these goals.
 
Maybe you can elaborate a little more on this Smiley, how does this emptyness manifest in your life? Does it happens always, in determinate moments, with determinated persons, situations, thoughts..?
Do you ever try to observe it, in order to acknowledge its cause?

I see,but it is not becouse of some situtations or persons or some kind of influances,sometimes I just observe and feel it without any though,it is not happens always (feel of being empty inside).I just now it,without any outer influance.

It is somehow strange,first happens to me when I was a child in Kindergarten (children's garden).I was outside swinging in a swing and in one moment I feel that some part was gone out of me and then I stoped swinging and for couple of minutes I was been completly empty (this was strucked me a lot and I remember this till today).After years and years I didnt know what,but after searching and reading all kinds of stuff I found answer.It was my essence that was gone and it is horrible to now that,I dont have what is real in me anymore (essence) and that is why I,m just empty inside.
I want my essence back,now it is only personality I really dont have nothing at all,I didnt have to think about this,I just instinctive know that.
I was thinking about roots of this,maybe this is from past life traumas or not,interesting thing is that my instinct is somehow want to help me in some way but personality wants to stay and live life like everyone else without any conscious effort to change.Tolstoy was talking about similiar things in his writings and he sadly realizated that in old age,but it is not just Tolstoy a various number of people was talking about similiar thing.


What happens that I like to change?

Instinct happens and after all it happens Gurdjieff,Mouravieff,Laura works,gnosticism,psychology and philosophy literature,sufism,zen,Cassiopeia forum etc..
But back to your question.

I want to change I becouse I didnt know who is this I.

:)
 
daco said:
I see,but it is not becouse of some situtations or persons or some kind of influances, sometimes I just observe and feel it without any though,it is not happens always (feel of being empty inside).I just now it, without any outer influance.

It is somehow strange,first happens to me when I was a child in Kindergarten (children's
garden).I was outside swinging in a swing and in one moment I feel that some part was gone out of me and then I stoped swinging and for couple of minutes I was been completly empty (this was strucked me a lot and I remember this till today).After years and years I didnt know what, but after searching and reading all kinds of stuff I found answer.It was my essence that was gone and it is horrible to now that,I dont have what is real in me anymore (essence) and that is why I,m just empty inside.
I want my essence back,now it is only personality I really dont have nothing at all,I didnt have to think about this,I just instinctive know that.
I was thinking about roots of this,maybe this is from past life traumas or not,interesting thing is that my instinct is somehow want to help me in some way but personality wants to stay and live life like everyone else without any conscious effort to change.Tolstoy was talking about similiar things in his writings and he sadly realizated that in old age,but it is not just Tolstoy a various number of people was talking about similiar thing.

daco, what you are describing sounds as depression, one of the common descriptions by people who are depressed is precissely the emptiness inside.
Also, the fact that you do feel the need of enter a monastery reveals a need for external support in the absence of your own internal motivation wich is another characteristic of depression.

A depressed person feels that cannot stand for himself, the necessary energy to continue, the internal motivation is not there anymore.

It is very accurate on your part to talk of lack of Essence because it is true that while we are depressed it feels as if LIFE has fled from us.

Now maybe you want to try to do a review of your life, your childhood, adolescence, and as it is now your life, even if you are young some of your life experiences can also give accurate information.

Furthermore it is very important to read these books on Psychology:

Narcissism "Big Five" said:
Myth of Sanity - Martha Stout
The Narcissistic Family - Stephanie Donaldson-Pressman and Robert M. Pressman
Trapped in the Mirror - Elan Golomb
Unholy Hungers - Barbara E. Hort
In Sheep's Clothing - George K. Simon


Then you can also read Depression As A Stepping Stone (to Soul Growth) i think you will find it quite revealing.


Take care of you and count on us. :flowers:
 
Ana said:
Take care of you and count on us.

Yes, daco, in case it hasn't still sunken in, in case you haven't really grokked (understood) it: you can turn to us with every question you encounter in your self-observations that confuses you. This forum is the school. We have the teachers right here.

I think the advise on exploring your childhood programming is very spot on. It's going to reveal so many things about yourself and why your machine is in the state it is in. And don't forget about proper diet and EE. Those things combined can do miracles - if you're ready to question yourself, like the issue at hand. Is it really the monk life you choose or could it be, as Ana pointed out that depression lurks behind this feeling of emptyness? Whatever the answer(s), it is well worth to explore! :)
Good luck daco, and turn to us if you need help.
 
Hi Daco,

You've been given some very good advice. I would just like to say that it seems to me that you are looking for someone else to "fix" you. Hence, going to a monastery. There you would have a teacher that could tell you what to do, what to eat, what to think, when to do this and that.....You would not have to be the one in charge of yourself.

Doing the Work by yourself, you have to be the one to motivate you into reading and thinking and observing, learning what foods you should be eating and what supplements to take, etc. This is very hard, I know. And it is "Work." But as has been mentioned, here you have a whole forum of people who are also doing the Work and are trying to see things as objectively as possible.

Since you said that you have time and don't have to rush off to the monastery right away, ;) maybe if would be good if you look at the Diet and Health section and start to change you diet, find out what foods you are sensitive to. This would have a very big change on your outlook on life. So would doing the EE program. This is something that can very well change your life.

Have you done either of these things?

Then, reading the recommended books. Especially Laura's works, the psychology books and Gurdjieff's and Mouravieff's books. After reading each book, if you have questions, come here and ask.

However, if you do prefer to go to a monastery, then by all means do so. There is no one stopping you. But be prepared for things to NOT be as you may be subjectively thinking they will be. Read truth seeker's post very carefully.

Whichever way you decide to go, I wish you the best.
 
:) Well I am a beginner, so, I think help others, if they ask for it, if they need it obviously

Sometimes I think I wont't becase a lot of emotional troubles, so, if I can't help myself I can´t help others, so first I need to help me, maybe at the same time others so I will learn more

Then I don´t know, discover, live

I like a lot the fiction stories, that is what brought me here, my imagination, and I think is because the space/time point where I am, because in the night I can see the Orion constelation, and in the December 10 1994 session, the cass talks with Laura about ... I don´t know how to write it in english, better put a quote:

Q: (L) Do we need to do extensive hypnosis to bring these aspects of ourselves up and deal with these things a little at a time?
A: Will happen involuntarily. Will be like a thermonuclear blast. Message follows: See pattern. Orion, Pleiades, Arcturas, Cassiopaea; check distances from earth; progress locator for wave combined with earth references of space time. For you to figure out. Cross reference channeled messages, printing dates and location. We are where we are.

Q: (L) What do you mean you are where you are?
A: Cross reference Time and distance.

Q: (L) What book do we need to cross reference?
A: Any star chart and Marciniak, Arcturas Channel, Orion literature and Us. We speak from “crest” of wave, now, where are we?

Q: (L) Is this a riddle?
A: From, not of.

Q: (L) You speak from the crest of the wave?

(T) Are you riding the wave?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) You said in another reading that you were 6 thousand miles...
A: Window of transmission.

Q: (L) We are certainly hoping that you are going to make all of this plain and clear...
A: It is.

Q: (L) Well, can you help us poor 2 strand DNA creatures to understand this?
A: How far away is Cassiopaea?

Q: (L) Do we need specific distances?
A: General is okay.

Q: (L) So, if we just find the general distances... and does each of these star clusters represent a general area of the wave?
A: Each represents locator in space time. You can judge speed and ETA by cross referencing distance with publishing dates and these messages from us.


Q: (L) I got it! You mean that YOU are the Arcturians, the Pleiadians, and now you are the “Cassiopaeans” because you “are where you are”! And you are riding the wave. Is this wave a straight line connecting all these constellations?
A: Circuitous or cyclical route.

Q: (L) So, is it like a spiral?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So we really need to set up a map so we can draw it?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) When we speak from Orion we are “Orions”. When from Pleiades, we are “Pleiadian”, and so on.

Q: (L) So, all of these channeled books you have mentioned are coming from the same basic source, through different channels, that they are able to connect with because of their different positions in space time and preparation level of the channels, is that correct?
A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are from where we are and speak. Get it?

Q: (L) You are the wave crest?
A: We are Marciniak’s Pleiadians. We are where we are.

But maybe I am not correct. But living here is where I began to read the cass material, and start to imagine and have inspiration to write a story, first green and gray guys that were aliens, then a group in other planet (named Gaia), called the Blue community that were people from the planet getting close to learn and to help other people while some beings named the erbetronz with another races were trying to stop them and to conquer them, and when I came to read the wave, a lot was so similar… I didn’t knew that a reptilian race exist, or that a black hole is like the last SAS level like in my story when the bad guys were devoured by a black hole, and the best was that in that story a Blue sun was going to help the community, a sun that was not the usual sun because it was little if you compare them, and was near the planet, that sun was going to came just in hard moments or in crucial moments, like those, and I came to read something similar like the brown star.
Things like that and a lot from my fiction stories helped me to understand some concepts, or just to have an idea, so I am like waiting for inspiration… so I don´t know I am just waiting for something.
 
Some really great advice give here so far, daco. You might also want to check out the thread on serotonin deficiency syndrome. http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17292.0

FWIW...
 
1 Stay alive
2 Healthy life - eating , gym , running
3 be good and help others
4 learning yoga , ee program , meditation start to working with others
5 find way to earn money different than this work that I have now . 8 hour per day with computer.
 
I've been thinking about this question lately.

Some of those thoughts that others may be able to relate to:
1) When I am fully associated and fully in the present, I feel like I am in a kind of rapport with several 'layers' of myself, as well as the world around me. At those times there is no issue or anything that "stops" with me; there is just energy, awareness and information, so-to-speak.

2) Whenever I allow myself to fully experience the pain and suffering that comes to my attention in my daily life without flinching or buffering the experience (whenever I can), I'm allowing myself to experience...to "be" these 'impacts' and these impacts provide different kinds of information in many different forms, similar to the way I've learned about myself through recapitulation. I feel more 'connected' to life.

When I allow myself to do this and observe the experience, I feel like at such times, I'm effectively allowing the world, an individual, a memory to have it's full impact on me and can, therefore, receive all there is to receive in these various types and levels of communication to the extent of my receivership capacity (I 'get' whatever I can understand), osit. Receivership capacity may be the wrong phrase, I don't know, because it seems to fluctuate.

One of my major problems has been dealing with generalized fear. Even my numerology Life Path reveals 'timidity' as my main weakness (as if I needed to be told that :rolleyes:), but it must be completely dealt with to advance further because I get the feeling that receivership capacity is related to response-ability. IOW, the more information you want to be able to receive, the more you have to be willing to impact on other people. Like grounding the chakras to complete the circuit. This impacting other people can take any form, from giving insightful advice to the sum total of all we have going on today (all the forum member and SoTT activities and such that are having impacts on society).

So, to answer the question "What's your goal?" I would say that right now, it is to overcome programmed inhibitions toward being more involved. :)
 
Lucas said:
1 Stay alive
2 Healthy life - eating , gym , running
3 be good and help others
4 learning yoga , ee program , meditation start to working with others
5 find way to earn money different than this work that I have now . 8 hour per day with computer.

Pretty much the same here. Specially number 5.
 

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