Who controls the BIS?

Hi, all:

You have persuaded me to take another look over the Controversy of Zion and the Red Symphony. I’d guess they are about as close to a direct look at the BIS Beast as we can expect to get.

And the news of Israel’s decision to join as a founding member of the Asian Infrastructure project, going against pressure from the USA, strikes me as very significant move. I’m thinking it could mean a fundamental shift in the game strategy. But, of course, the Beast is always the same beast.
 
ka said:
Hi, all:

You have persuaded me to take another look over the Controversy of Zion and the Red Symphony. I’d guess they are about as close to a direct look at the BIS Beast as we can expect to get.

And the news of Israel’s decision to join as a founding member of the Asian Infrastructure project, going against pressure from the USA, strikes me as very significant move. I’m thinking it could mean a fundamental shift in the game strategy. But, of course, the Beast is always the same beast.

ka,

I am looking at both of the above right now.

Since you also noticed Israel and AIIB, did you see this? Re: Session 4, April 2015
 
hi, Goyacobol:

I sure did notice it, and that's why I mentioned it here, as I suspect it relates DIRECTLY to this subject.

I will have my eyes wide open looking for the results of this move on the part of Israel.
 
alkhemst said:
Some other interesting bits of info in the screen grab of that book (Damned Good Company - Luis Granados) about how France expelled them and why they did that.

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https://books.google.com.au/books?id=T9Vsms3huxgC&lpg=PT166&ots=P7S8i4Ndh6&dq=Pope%20Gregory%20XIII%20Jesuits%20commerce%20and%20banking&pg=PT166#v=onepage&q&f=false

This image didn't come through so I OCR'ed it in acrobat, here's the text:

Loyola had prescribed vows of poverty for his followers, but after Pope
Gregory XIII gave the Company the right to engage in banking and commerce
it grew immensely wealthy, with its fingers in commercial enterprises around
the globe. In 1760 a Jesuit slave-trading business on the Caribbean island of
Martinique became unable to pay its bills. Angry creditors back in Marseilles
did not appreciate being offered satisfaction in the form of a Mass; they filed a
lawsuit against the Company itself, claiming it was a single entity, responsible
for the bills of each of its subsidiaries. Though the Jesuits argued that their
Martinique representative was acting beyond his authority, and that anyway
they were doing God's work and should be considered above petty commercial
law, they lost. They then committed the extraordinary blunder of appealing the
verdict to the Parliament of Paris, even though they knew it to be sympathetic
to a faction within the church that Jesuits had been persecuting for decades.

The Parliament of Paris proceeded to launch a thorough investigation of the
hitherto secret governing documents of the order, ostensibly to determine just
how independent the Martinique operation really \vas. Revelation after
revelation piled up, not only about Jesuit business operations but about their
disdain for government officials who did not carry out God's will as they saw
it. The ultimate outcome was a shocker. After Parliament confirmed every
claim of the Marseilles merchants, a special council concluded that for
promoting "a doctrine authorizing robbery, lying, perjury, impurity- all
passions and crimes; inculcating homicide, parricide, and regicide; overturning
religion, in order to substitute in her stead superstition; and thereby sanctioning
magic, blasphemy, irreligion, and idolatry," the Jesuit order must be banned
from France. Its schools would be closed, its wealth nationalized.

Damned Good Company - By Luis Granados

So the Jesuits were temporarily expelled from France and we go a bit further on that timeline it gets more interesting. We find out that a lot more started to catch on an began putting pressure on Rome to do something about it's own military order that was running rife.

Clement XIII, elected on the 6th of July 1758, had resisted a long time the pressing requests of several nations demanding the Jesuits' suppression. He was about to yield and had already arranged a consistory for the 3rd of February 1769 at which he was to tell the cardinals about his resolution to comply with the wishes of these Courts; on the night before that particular day, he suddenly felt ill as he was going to bed and cried out: "I am dying...". It is a very dangerous thing to attack the Jesuits!"(23)

A conclave assembled and went on for three months. At last, cardinal Ganganelli put on the mitre and took the name of Clement XIV. The Courts which had banished the Jesuits kept on asking for the total suppression of the Society. But the papacy was in no hurry to abolish this primordial instrument for the carrying out of its politics, and four years passed before Clement XIV, constrained by the firm attitude of his opponents, who had occupied some of the pontifical States, at last signed the Brief of dissolution: "Dominus ac Redemptor" in 1773. Ricci, the Order's general, was even imprisoned at the castle of Saint-Ange where he died a few years later. "The Jesuits only appeared to submit to this verdict which condemned them... They wrote innumerable pamphlets against the pope and to incite rebellion; they told lies and slanders without number concerning so-called atrocities committed when their properties in Rome were confiscated".(24) The death of Clement XIV, fourteen months later, was even attributed to them by a section of European opinion.

"The Jesuits, in principle at least, were no more; but Clement XIV knew very well that, by signing their death warrant, he was signing his own as well: "This suppression is done at last", he exclaimed, "and I am not sorry about it.. I would do it again if it was not done already; but this suppression will kill me".(25)

Ganganelli was right; soon, posters started to appear on the palace walls which invariably displayed these five letters: I.S.S.S.V.,and everyone wondered what it meant. Clement understood immediately and boldly declared: "It means "In Settembre, Sara Sede Vacante", (In September, the See will be vacant', (that the Pope will be dead)".(26)

Here is another testimony: "Pope Ganganelli did not survive long after the Jesuits' suppression", said Scipion de Ricci. "The account of his illness and death, sent to the Court of Madrid by the Minister for Spain in Rome, proved that he had been poisoned; as far as we know, no inquiry was held concerning this event by the cardinals, nor the new pontiff. The perpetrator of that abominable deed was then able to escape the judgement of the world, but he will not be able to escape God's justice!"(27) "We can positively affirm that, on the 22nd of September 1774, Pope Clement XIV died by poisoning".(28)

Secret History of the Jesuits - Edmond Paris
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-History-Jesuits-Edmund-Paris/dp/0937958107

So the pope closes up shop for the Jesuit order. Mentioned earlier in the thread, Pope Gregory back in 1540 gave the Jesuits (The Company), the papal right to deal in commerce and banking, to disguise themselves as laymen (i.e. they could work like spies - think undercover cops), and not to be bound to their local papal authorities (bishops) - pretty much have the autonomy to do what they please as long as it was to bring power back to the church.

It's a fair assumption then to say that at the time more than 200 years later that the Jesuits with a massive financial base and the authority of the Church to do as they please, that they already had infiltrated undercover all walks of life of any influence - commercial enterprises, law courts, royal families, religious groups at the time (Jewish, Protestant etc.). So while the papal dissolution "Dominus ac Redemptor" of 1773 would have been an inconvenience, their power base was already well established and operated undercover, so for them I'd imagine it would be just business as usual, perhaps a little more covert.

You'd expect then that they'd start finding other ways to disseminate the principles of the order, knowing that they were well connected masters of espionage, it's fair to speculate they they'd start new orders to recruit more "soldiers" for their military order. Perhaps that's what happened in 1776, 3 years after the "Dominus ac Redemptor" .

Standard history tells us that the Illuminati was started by Jean Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Order of the Illuminati. Weishaupt was born in Bavaria on February 6, His father, Baron Ickstatt, was a professor at the University of Ingolstadt, having married the niece of the curator. The baron secured a scholarship at the Jesuit College for Adam, who then went on to become a law student at the age of 15. Ingolstadt was a steadfastly Jesuit area and had been for more than 200 years. Dissent was not permitted, even though they had been partially suppressed in 1773 by Clement XIV. It has been said of the Jesuits that they were the world’s largest and most powerful secret service - due mainly to the fact that they were feared by many in the Catholic Church, and that a universal “confession” could be well utilized for blackmail.
Secret Societies: Gardiner's Forbidden Knowledge: Revelations About the Freemasons, Templars, Illuminati, Nazis, and the Serpent Cults (pp 261)
http://books.google.com.au/books/about/Secret_Societies.html?id=h9576pfB90EC&redir_esc=y

So we know that Jean Adam Weishaupt was Jesuit trained in a Jesuit institution, in a town with a strong Jesuit presence, where "dissent was not permitted" for more than 200 years. At the time the order was given it's marching orders by Rome, it's possible that Weishaupt was the man selected to set up and recruit a new army to regain power in Rome for the Jesuits. Coincidently (or not) the Illuminati plan would have been beneficial for the Jesuits:

It is true that Weishaupt's plans certainly was hostile to the Church of Rome and the monarchies of Europe, and that he seemed to harbor what would today be called "socialistic" leanings, but Weishaupt wasn't an atheist or agnostic. There is little doubt that Weishaupt was a deeply religious man in his own way.

Weishaupt said in a speech held shortly before the French revolution:
"Salvation does not lie where strong thrones are defended by swords, where the smoke of censers ascend to heaven or where thousands of strong men pace the rich fields of harvest. The revolution which is about to break will be sterile if it is not complete."
This statement has often been taken as to mean that Weishaupt was in fact a sort of communist, and in a sense perhaps he was. One could think the above quote a statement by Trotsky. However, as the Illuminati's true goals has always been disputed it is difficult to find out what exactly was the political, if such a dirty word may be used, or ideological raison d´etre of the order.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_0a.htm
 
Thanks so much for all this information and all contributors so far -- alchemist - goyacobol - POB - irjO - SeekinTruth - ka - Mr.Cyan - Andre - Mr. Premise & Palinurus --

This is fascinating reading -- and I applaud all your efforts and research in attempting to connect so many dots. Even if we don't find out who actually CONTROLS the BIS, we are certainly learning a lot about certain groups and individuals who are likely part of the plot. And it surely looks as if 4DSTS is directing the play and pulling the puppet strings of our 3DSTS puppet masters. It's like reading and trying to solve a convoluted Hitchcock mystery.

Cheers! :)
 
13 Twirling Triskeles said:
Thanks so much for all this information and all contributors so far -- alchemist - goyacobol - POB - irjO - SeekinTruth - ka - Mr.Cyan - Andre - Mr. Premise & Palinurus --

This is fascinating reading -- and I applaud all your efforts and research in attempting to connect so many dots. Even if we don't find out who actually CONTROLS the BIS, we are certainly learning a lot about certain groups and individuals who are likely part of the plot. And it surely looks as if 4DSTS is directing the play and pulling the puppet strings of our 3DSTS puppet masters. It's like reading and trying to solve a convoluted Hitchcock mystery.

Cheers! :)

It's interesting for sure. I reckon why the Jesuits are implicated in a lot of things goes with that saying that the best place to hide is in plain sight.

Around the late 1700s, there's also a lot of things going on outside of Europe - the American war of independence was the big one. The power of the Vatican had survived the Reformation, due to the covert dealings of The Company (Jesuits), or at least you could say that the powers that be had come to an understanding. It seemed that the protestant British Empire being ideologically different to Catholic counterparts in Europe was just a ruse. Well at least in regards to America. The American people then didn't take too kindly to the either the Empire or the Popery (perhaps one in the same behind closed doors) meddling in the affairs of the American people and their new found freedom.

I found another passage from a book that goes into some of the details of the time:

"In those days," says historian Rene Fulop Miller, "one of Benjamin Franklin's friend was a
Jesuit; this was John Carroll, who had been brought up in Maryland of Irish parentage...He
would later become the Archbishop of Baltimore, and go on to establish the Jesuit University
of Georgetown, in "a suburb of the city of Washington, the federal capital...the first Catholic
educational institution in the United States. According to Robert Emmett Curran, in his The
Bicentennial History of Georgetown University, the Society of Jesus "resolved in 1786 to
found Georgetown (to supply for Catholics in the new republic the clergy whom the Society
had provided previously).

John Carroll was born in 1735, at Upper Marlboro, Maryland. After receiving a Jesuit
education at Bohemia in Cecil County, Maryland, Carroll studied abroad at Jesuit colleges in
Europe. He was forced to flee Europe when the Jesuits were expelled from Sweden under
the decree of Pope Clement, in 1773. And on August 15, 1790, Reverend John Carroll was
appointed the first Catholic bishop in the United States of America, being consecrated on the
feast of the assumption.

At the time, the papacy not only had to deal with the concerns of Americans that these
revolutionary Jesuit outcasts were migrating to America, it also had to quell the fears of
the American people that the Catholic Church in America was itself no more than a
Trojan horse for the installation of a foreign ruler-the pope. To overcome these
suspicions, the Jesuit John Carroll, advised the pope to have the portion of the oath, which
required allegiance to the pope, above all others, removed from the American Bishop's
pledge. This was done to avoid giving offense to the principles of the Constitution and to
the calm fears that the Catholic Bishops were merely puppets of the pope, on American
soil.

Some more conniving!! Then some more:

In order to achieve the objectives of the Roman Pontiff, the Jesuits aided by their
Illuminated-Masonic vassals in America, instigated the American War of Independence.
Leading Masonic authors openly claim that Freemasonry had a preponderant role in the
movement for independence. The "Masonic Review" of 1893 goes as far as to state that
Freemasonry was the driving force in the formation of the American Union in 1776, claiming
that at least fifty-two out of the filthy-six of the "signers of the Declaration of Independence as
members" of the Lodge. Charles Carroll, John Carroll's brother, was a signer....

...the Quebec Act of 1774 "established" Catholicism as the official
religion in what was at the time "the British Colony of Canada." And, in conformity with the
practice in Catholic countries of the day, it provided for trials without a jury: denied
representative assembly. The simultaneous passage of the Quebec Act and the Coercive
Acts by the British Parliament led the colonists to angrily declare that the Quebec Act an
immoral pact between Britain and popery.

What is surprising about this is that the British, who were supposed to be Protestants,
included a provision in the Act expressly providing for Canada to remain under the exclusive
control of the Roman Catholic Religion and this provision was to apply to the newly ceded
territory (i.e. all of the territory west of the Appalachian Mountains and north of the Ohio
River). The terms included the stipulation that: "the exercise of the Catholic, Apostolic and
Roman religion shall be maintained." This was most curious coming from a supposedly
Protestant power!

...In 1775, all of these "intolerable" and bizarre acts by the British Crown conspired to
transform this conflict into an important historical event. In response to the outcry against the
Quebec situation, the Continental Congress of the American colonies sent troops to "liberate"
Quebec from Catholic control, but Colonel Brigadier-General Benedict Arnold failed in his
mission at the assault on the Sault-au-Matelot barriers in the winter of December 31, 1775.
Curiously, control, appointed a French Catholic priest from Quebec, Father Eustache
Lotbiniere, as Chaplain to the 1st Regiment on January 26, 1776."

In any even, General Arnold (Benedict) having failed in his Quebec mission, the
Continental Congress then sent a diplomatic mission to Canada to negotiate terms of peace.
Included in that mission were Samuel Chase, Benjamin Franklin and the prominent Roman
Catholic-Charles Carroll. When Franklin and Charles Carroll went to Montreal on behalf of
Congress, in April 1776, they took with them Carroll's brother, a Jesuit priest, the
aforementioned John Carroll. Whoever seeks to explain the American reversal on the
Catholic Question must look at what happened in Quebec and the significant role played by
the wily Jesuit John Carroll.

So it seems that Rome on it's face had expelled the Jesuits "on paper" but were happy to keep taking advantage of their means of securing Vatican power. The Jesuits certainly seemed good at playing both sides:

"America's first Catholic bishop (was) a strong supporter of
the American Revolution, Carroll firmly believed that a Catholic
institution could make a major contribution to the political, cultural,
and educational life of the fledgling nation." Once the War began,
in order to dispel the deep-seated suspicion of the Protestants that
the Catholic Church in America was no more than a tool of
the Holy See-Bishop Carroll encouraged Catholics to fight in the
1776 war for America's independence from Britain. This proved
to be the major turning point in Catholic-Protestant relations. Anti-Catholic sentiment greatly
abated, especially when, according to Dr. John J. Pilch of Georgetown University, Americans
noticed the "wholehearted participation of Catholics in the common struggle and war for
independence." And John Carroll wrote to John Fenno of the Gazette(June 10, 1789):
"Their blood flowed as freely (in proportion to their numbers) to cement the fabric of
independence as that of any of their fellow citizens." The year 1776–the reader will no doubt
recall–was the ear in which the Jesuit Adam Weishaupt, established the Illuminati, whose
expressed aim was then overthrow of all the established government.

Why, you ask, would a Jesuit or "zealous" Catholic fight and die in a war on side that
he did not really support, when his true allegiance was with Rome" Because, as on Jesuit
General put it, "We have men for martyrdom if they be required." Fighting and dying in the
American Revolutionary War was a small price to pay for Rome's advantage. If this
proposition seems preposterous, I cite again the instructions given to the Jesuit at his
initiation to a position of command:

You have been taught, to take sides with the combatants and to act secretly in
concert with your brother Jesuit who might be engaged on the other side, but
openly opposed to that with which you might be connected; only that the
church might be the gainer in the end...the ends justify the means.

Codeword Barbelon Danger in the Vatican - P. D. Stuart (Chapter 31 THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR: HOW AMERICA BECAME A JESUIT ENCLAVE)
 
alkhemst said:
It is true that Weishaupt's plans certainly was hostile to the Church of Rome and the monarchies of Europe, and that he seemed to harbor what would today be called "socialistic" leanings, but Weishaupt wasn't an atheist or agnostic. There is little doubt that Weishaupt was a deeply religious man in his own way.

Weishaupt said in a speech held shortly before the French revolution:
"Salvation does not lie where strong thrones are defended by swords, where the smoke of censers ascend to heaven or where thousands of strong men pace the rich fields of harvest. The revolution which is about to break will be sterile if it is not complete."
This statement has often been taken as to mean that Weishaupt was in fact a sort of communist, and in a sense perhaps he was. One could think the above quote a statement by Trotsky. However, as the Illuminati's true goals has always been disputed it is difficult to find out what exactly was the political, if such a dirty word may be used, or ideological raison d´etre of the order.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_0a.htm

On this I wanted to find some more information about the Jesuit links with communist theory. It seemed like another angle that links Weishaupt's Illuminati to the Jesuit aims. It seems that the Jesuits were practicing communism way before throughout the Americas. This was called "Jesuit reduction"

Jesuit reductions were different from the reductions in other regions because the indigenous people (Indians) were expected to convert to Christianity but not necessarily adopt European values and lifestyles.[1] Under the leadership of both the Jesuits and native caciques, the reductions achieved a high degree of autonomy within the Spanish colonial empire. With the use of Indian labour, the reductions became economically successful. When their existence was threatened by the incursions of Bandeirante slave traders, Indian militia were created that fought effectively against the colonists.[1] The resistance by the Jesuit reductions to slave raids, as well as their high degree of autonomy and economic success, have been cited as contributing factors to the expulsion of the Jesuits from the Americas in 1767.[2] The Jesuit reductions present a controversial chapter of the evangelisational history of the Americas, and are variously described as jungle utopias or as theocratic regimes of terror.

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuit_reduction

Given Wikipedia is always the sanitised version, here is an excerpt from The Revolutionary Movement – A Diagnosis of World Disorders by J. Findlater (1933) which lifts the veil on the nature of the Jesuit-run Communistic Reductions:

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Another thing that links Weishaupt's Illuminati to the Jesuits, is that it's probably just a layman's continuation of what Ignatius, the founder of the order had been practicing all along. He was a "sympathiser" of Alumbrados.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumbrados

The alumbrados (Spanish pronunciation: [alumˈbɾaðos], Illuminated) was a term used to loosely describe practitioners of a mystical form of Christianity in Spain during the 15th-16th centuries. Some alumbrados were only mildly heterodox, but others held views that were clearly heretical. Consequently, they were firmly repressed and became some of the early victims of the Spanish Inquisition.

...

The alumbrados held that the human soul can reach such a degree of perfection that it can even in the present life contemplate the essence of God and comprehend the mystery of the Trinity. All external worship, they declared, is superfluous, the reception of the sacraments useless, and sin impossible in this state of complete union with God. Persons in this state of impeccability could indulge their sexual desires and commit other sinful acts freely without staining their souls.

...

Ignatius of Loyola, while studying at Salamanca in 1527, was brought before an ecclesiastical commission on a charge of sympathy with the alumbrados, but escaped with an admonition.

Ignatius just escaped being called a heretic and tortured during the Spanish Inquisition! Which mind you was really about getting rid of Islam, not unlike today, so Ignatius professing his love for Rome started his career.

Remember Ignatius was a real soldier, killed on the battlefield so you'd imagine a belief system that allowed him to kill without "staining" his soul was a great find. Really the more you dig into these Jesuit connections, the darker it seems to get!

"Persons in this state of impeccability could indulge their sexual desires and commit other sinful acts freely without staining their souls."
Sounds just like out of the book of new agey belief systems
 
Wow! Reading about these two groups -- the Illumi-naughty and Jesuits -- makes me think they were both nefariously naughty. Just trying to imagine how their minds can conceive of these plots and ploys -- and carry them out -- makes me want to immediately dry-clean my own mind.

Thanks again for this fascinating info. I'm so glad you were so curious about who controls the BIS -- which led to you and others doing such in-depth research. It is certainly benefiting me to learn more about it.

Cheers!
 
I wonder if in the case of the Jesuits there's levels of the hierarchy like others, where the really criminal / psychopathic ones are in the higher circles, and the lower circles are just regular folks doing what they consider their "good works." The reason I mention that is that John Taylor Gatto wrote in The Secret History of American Education that the only real education that included critical thinking skills he got was a short time at a Jesuit school. Just wondering why they would allow to teach such skills to the regular classes (in both senses).

A lot of the material posted by alkhemst also reminded me of the Secret Team within the CIA and the US intelligence community in general, where they're primarily involved in criminal activity and illegal / undeclared wars, and have very little to do with intelligence gathering as such.

Reed, in The Controversy of Zion, goes into the connections with the Illuminati and the revolutionary movements (many conspiracies for world revolution covered up over centuries) that were dominated by Russian Jews that later became the Bolsheviks and the Zionists. Reed says that just about every Russian Jewish family was full of revolutionaries, some communist, some Zionist (often within the same family). World revolution was inculcated into many generations, the only argument was whether it should be a Communist one or a Zionist one.
 
13 Twirling Triskeles said:
Wow! Reading about these two groups -- the Illumi-naughty and Jesuits -- makes me think they were both nefariously naughty. Just trying to imagine how their minds can conceive of these plots and ploys -- and carry them out -- makes me want to immediately dry-clean my own mind.
Cheers!

Hi 13 Twirling Triskeles,

The often devious role played by the Society of Jesus (since 1540's) is amply documented. But I would submit the dominant player, the ones truly behind almost all such worldly machinations since the late 1700's--was, and continues to be, the Rothschild bloodline. And their agents.

Some say the Rothschilds were in fact secretly Sabbateans. Perhaps even direct descendants of the false prophet ... as was the case for instance, of Mustafa Kemal in Turkey. That lineage would go a long way in explaining the many evils plaguing our modern world. It is satanic.

The C's gave amplification on this. Mossad being the "brain-child"... alongside the Roth-schilds. Both got equal billing, and I think that says a lot.

Deep level punctuators, they said. Someone who emerges from obscurity to make a mark on history.

And most likely, they came from below ground, as in underground bases. Frightening really.
 
Hi, Alkemst & all:

I am reading the info about Jesuits with great interest. I have not researched their activities myself, because I could see it would be hard to separate the awful truth from the hysterical slander. Anti-Jesuit hysteria was a mainstay of some political parties in Europe for a couple of centuries. But sometimes what sounds like shameless slander turns out to be true.

I have run across information about the enemies of the Jesuits in Paraguay and Brazil, and they weren’t The Good Guys, either. Some of them were slave-hunters, looking for warm bodies to use up in the mines.

I begin to think that the natural impulse to try to sort out which historical actors were “good guys” and “bad guys” becomes a waste of energy and an obstacle to understanding. I begin to suspect that any organization, any force that becomes a significant “player” in the great geo-political game, is going to be targeted, taken over, and used for the purposes of The Consortium.

On one level, the Jesuits who helped the Guarani defend themselves against slave-hunters were doing some good; on another political level they were tools of evil. How difficult it is to know what to do with oneself!
 
Fellow Dot Connectors,

I see that we have our jobs cut out for us as we try to find how to know who is who. I suppose we should focus mainly of BIS but it isn't easy is it, since one connection leads to another, and then another.

I thought I would reiterate the idea of seeing the methods being employed for control, as a tool to fill in the pieces so we can at least maybe see the picture more clearly, even if it is a more abstract view. So far this seems to be where we are at this point but I feel like I am still learning.

This makes me think of something I remembered that Laura and Ark said about psychopaths eventually going into a kind of "feeding frenzy". I think that will make them more obvious to us as the Wave continues to grow.

Here is the reference:



(L) I mean, people that believe lies against all evidence are the ones that really baffle me. I mean, they don't baffle me in the sense
that I don't understand why they do it, because I understand the psychological and brain mechanism, and I understand that's it been
thousands of years, little by little, gradually, pathologically encroaching until now we live in this world where it's just literally -
everything is dirty - it's just really horrible. And I can't imagine what... I mean, what about a psychopath? What about a psychopath
who doesn't have emotions? How is a hyperkinetic sensate {wave} going to affect a psychopath?
A: They do have a sort of "emotion". Hunger for darkness.
Q: (L) So what it is an amplified hunger for darkness?
(A******) More darkness.
(L) But what would it do if it were amplified in that way?
(Allen) Ravenous!
(L) They'd devour themselves, wouldn't they?
A: More or less. What do you do when at your center there is a big empty hole?
Q: (Ark) But I can see how it's gonna happen. You see separately, there are these psychopaths. At the same time, there are a lot of
people who are becoming very unstable. There are a lot of people who go completely crazy, that psychopaths can see something is
happening - new opportunity, right? So, new victims. "They're mine!" "No, they're MINE!" And so psychopaths will start to fight with
each other.

(L) Because they're more and more hungry. And then their masks will fall away, and people will see them for what they are.
A: Yes

I think that these different groups are probably different in some ways and have always fought over the control of territories.
 
SeekinTruth said:
I wonder if in the case of the Jesuits there's levels of the hierarchy like others, where the really criminal / psychopathic ones are in the higher circles, and the lower circles are just regular folks doing what they consider their "good works." The reason I mention that is that John Taylor Gatto wrote in The Secret History of American Education that the only real education that included critical thinking skills he got was a short time at a Jesuit school. Just wondering why they would allow to teach such skills to the regular classes (in both senses).

A lot of the material posted by alkhemst also reminded me of the Secret Team within the CIA and the US intelligence community in general, where they're primarily involved in criminal activity and illegal / undeclared wars, and have very little to do with intelligence gathering as such.

Reed, in The Controversy of Zion, goes into the connections with the Illuminati and the revolutionary movements (many conspiracies for world revolution covered up over centuries) that were dominated by Russian Jews that later became the Bolsheviks and the Zionists. Reed says that just about every Russian Jewish family was full of revolutionaries, some communist, some Zionist (often within the same family). World revolution was inculcated into many generations, the only argument was whether it should be a Communist one or a Zionist one.

I think that's spot on. A good example is the subject of that is in Paraguay and in the case of the Reductions that the Jesuits ran (as Ka mentioned above). When I was in the Jesuit school the movie they played to us every time there was a break in the normal study routine was "The Mission". Its a great movie no doubt and no doubt it gave many aspiring Jesuit priests a sense of purpose, it certainly made me proud of going to the school named after the founder, St Ignatius.

The Jesuits were on the side of good, were the victims of the political and commercial world and had a sincere love for the locals and they fought through danger to bring God's will and went to uninhabitable places just to bring this message of Christ, of love, brotherhood etc. etc.

On the other hand as mentioned above even in Wikipedia, what they brought instead was theocratic regimes of terror. It was a sort of communism, modelled probably on Plato's Republic but not for building an enlightened civilisation, but instead an experiment in creating a repressive and productive machine that brought profit and institutionalised slavery.

Its a very different picture and when you consider that in France around the same time, as mentioned in one of the above quotes, the dealings of the Jesuits were put under scrutiny and what they found among other lurid details was that they were responsible for slave trading too. It seems not unreasonable considering the history of the Jesuits and their demonstrated sub human treatment of the native people of the Americas in their Reductions experiment.

So we have this picture of the Jesuits and their time in the Americas portrayed in The Mission and many other sources as one of high ideals thwarted by the establishment. The Guarani were victims, the Jesuits were victims and the bad guys were the Portuguese and Spanish establishment.

Then we have a picture of what the Jesuits were doing, they created profitable regimes of terror for their machinations and did so for two hundred years.They acquired their machine parts as tribal people deep in previously undisturbed zones of the Amazon. They created an enslaved these people and traded them as slaves.

To pull this off, you would have to have two distinct faces. One that the majority of your followers subscribe too, just like any other military order whose soldiers believe they fight for "good". So many of these Jesuit priests likely believed in what they were doing and believed it was on the side of good. Then you'd have the shadow face that does the dirty work, those would have to derive from some inner circle close to the army general. In this case, the Jesuit Superior General. To do this well, you'd have your undercover operations and bought mercenaries going out and doing the slave trading and the naive Jesuits priests, the loyal pawns in the game, would be none the wiser.

At least that's the only way I can reconcile the two views of this same historical period.
 
sitting said:
13 Twirling Triskeles said:
Wow! Reading about these two groups -- the Illumi-naughty and Jesuits -- makes me think they were both nefariously naughty. Just trying to imagine how their minds can conceive of these plots and ploys -- and carry them out -- makes me want to immediately dry-clean my own mind.
Cheers!

Hi 13 Twirling Triskeles,

The often devious role played by the Society of Jesus (since 1540's) is amply documented. But I would submit the dominant player, the ones truly behind almost all such worldly machinations since the late 1700's--was, and continues to be, the Rothschild bloodline. And their agents.

Some say the Rothschilds were in fact secretly Sabbateans. Perhaps even direct descendants of the false prophet ... as was the case for instance, of Mustafa Kemal in Turkey. That lineage would go a long way in explaining the many evils plaguing our modern world. It is satanic.

The C's gave amplification on this. Mossad being the "brain-child"... alongside the Roth-schilds. Both got equal billing, and I think that says a lot.

Deep level punctuators, they said. Someone who emerges from obscurity to make a mark on history.

And most likely, they came from below ground, as in underground bases. Frightening really.

Maybe there's a connection here between the House of Rothschild and the Jesuits, which was what I was thinking along the lines of Weishaupt establishing the Illuminati.

It's a direct connection written in this text book of sorts I came across. It basically states that Weishaupt was tasked with consolidating the influence of the Rothschilds and the Jesuits into single direction.

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Daniel: Understanding the Dreams and Vision By Charlene R. Fortsch, Erica Dissler
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UYGDFHov1b8C&pg=PA187&lpg=PA187&dq=communism+in+1700s+jesuit&source=bl&ots=i0CIANCX28&sig=VHhCA70NP1ioyhHKh1B80n-gMQo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DpQ1VbTLOcHRmAXd34C4BQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=communism%20in%201700s%20jesuit&f=false

We know the Jesuits are subservient to Rome, perhaps it's not beyond reasonable doubt that the Rothschilds were (are) too?

Consider this though. We know here about one of the biggest conspiracies that's been kept under wraps for more than 2000 years and only now just unraveling - a religion and a document called the Bible falsely concocted for the purpose of world submission and control. When it's said "all roads lead to Rome" it's no wonder why. Starting with a fraud of such magnitude that's stunted the physical and spiritual life of billions of people, an institution directly responsible for war, theft, rape, torture of the highest degree all over the world, has done so consistently with a driven constitution that seems to far exceed any other single institution or family (royal or otherwise) in breath of time but also I would say depth of the conspiracy.

The Jesuits, the current military order of this Roman institution are just the tip of the iceberg I believe. It's not unfathomable to conceive that in retaining the Roman power base you need a number "fall guys". Perhaps the British Empire was, now it's the American Empire and coupled with that are the Jews. The consistent unbreakable institution throughout these falls since Rome "fell" 2000 years ago - is Rome. Rome mind you does have a nice face lift with Pope Francis, but perhaps were are looking at the same Roman Empire - but hidden in plain sight? It's what I'm speculating here and I figured as an exercise, could the connections be verifiable? It appears to look that way - so far.

Anyway, here's some further connections that came up with Rothchilds, Weishaupt and the Jesuits:

“International Banksters” is an expression that I use to describe the Jesuit-controlled
financial cabal that controls the leaders and governments of many of the nations on planet Earth –
especially here in the West. Some people allege that “the Jews” run international banking; however, my
research has shown me that Jesuit-controlled Papal Rome (i.e., the Jesuit-controlled Roman Catholic
Church-State) is by far the number one financial entity in the world! Jesuit-controlled Papal Rome rules
the financial world through the Vatican’s banking and financial interests (e.g., in Rome, throughout
Europe, and in the USA), through the wealthy Jesuit-controlled Knights of Malta Order, and through
many other Jesuit-controlled financial subgroups.

As Dr. Stanley Monteith, on page 58 of his book “Brotherhood of Darkness” (Hearthstone
Publishing, 2000), tells us: “Some sincere people believe that the Jews, or the Jewish bankers, are behind
the world conspiracy. There are many clues that lead people to that conclusion, but I can assure you that
the evidence has been planted to divert attention away from the truth.”

Indeed, some folks like to point to the Rothschild banking dynasty as proof that “the Jews” run
international banking; however, one of the titles of the Rothschilds, according to author F. Tupper Saussy,
is “Guardians of the Vatican Treasury”. Some folks would argue that the Rothschilds should be labeled
as “Court Jews” of Jesuit-controlled Papal Rome, i.e., “Papal Court Jews”.

F. Tupper Saussy, on page 160 of his book “Rulers of Evil: Useful Knowledge about Governing
Bodies” (First HarperCollins Edition, 2001), tells us: “Aware that the Rothschilds are an important
Jewish family, I looked them up in [Ed.: the] Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the title
‘Guardians of the Vatican Treasury’… The appointment of Rothschild gave the Black Papacy [Ed.: i.e.,
the hierarchical leadership of the Jesuit Order] absolute financial privacy and secrecy. Who would ever
search a family of orthodox Jews for the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church?”

Gary Allen, on page 40 of his book “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” (1971; Third printing of
Concord Press, Rossmoor, CA – April, 1972 edition), tells us: “Actually, nobody has a right to be more
angry at the Rothschild clique than their fellow Jews. The Warburgs, part of the Rothschild empire,
helped finance Adolph Hitler. There were few if any Rothschilds or Warburgs in the Nazi prison camps!
They sat out the war in luxurious hotels in Paris or emigrated to the United States or England. As a
group, Jews have suffered most at the hands of these power seekers. A Rothschild has much more in
common with a Rockefeller than he does with a [Ed.: Jewish] tailor from Budapest or the Bronx.”

“Who Are the International Banksters – and Who Are the Greatest Accumulators of Wealth in the World?”
http://wwfar.com/inquisitionupdate/darryl/WhoAretheInternationalBanksters.pdf



But what do we know of the actual current holdings of the Vatican? I came across this piece yesterday that painted that picture:

A FINANCIAL EMPIRE SECOND TO NONE

Whenever anyone writes on conspiracy money is always given a
prominent place. In this regard the Vatican certainly does not take
a back seat to anyone. The wealth of the Vatican, as we will see, is
so vast that in all probability its true worth will never be known.
We are going to examine in some detail what various writers,
who have tried to research the wealth of the Vatican, have said.
Several of these writers are members of the Roman Catholic
church. It is surely interesting to every Protestant that when Pope
Paul brought his entourage from Milan to the Vatican, they were
dubbed by Roman Catholic writers as the Milan Mafia.

It is not within the bounds of this study to examine the Mafia in
detail. But the Cosa Nostra, the Family, or The Mafia are a 100%
Roman Catholic outfit. They originated in Sicily where Michele
Sindona was also born. They control vast holdings in Italy and
North America. They have gone what they call "legit" in many enterprises
and were able to close down an entire cheese plant in
Wisconsin. They did this to establish a monopoly in the Pizza
business. This incident made the national news. Businessmen
came in and brought the cheese factory. After they bought it, they
closed it down. It was only later that Mafia involvement was
discovered. As far as we know, the factory, which employed most
of the town's work force, is still closed down as of this writing.

It is interesting to notice the timing of the move by the Mafia to
control the cheese and pizza business in the United States.
Panatella, a Vatican controlled company dealing mainly in flour
and pasta, lost two and a half million dollars just prior to the Mafia
takeover and required financing of 4.8 million dollars to keep it
afloat.

Martin discloses that by the late sixties both the Institute for
Religious Words (whose assets were conservatively put at 3 billion
dollars) and the Special Administration of Holy See Property were
invested in every sector of Italian industry and commerce. He went
on to say, "On the boards of directors of companies in which the
Vatican had an interest there always sat a Vatican ' family ' man,
somebody like Massimo Spada or Luigi Mennini.

Martin also pointed out that the Special Administration of Holy See
Property, which was run by competent lay bankers, was advised
by J. P. Morgan, Hambros Brothers of London, and the
Rothschilds of Paris.

Ostling recounts the story of Boys' Town, a Roman Catholic
charity.

Boys Town now has a worth of well over $200 million, including
a securities portfolio valued (very conservatively) at
$157 million. Although the interest on such a nest egg is ample
to operate the Town, it still spends millions to send the traditional
tearjerker fund appeals to 34 million people and raises
nearly $18 million a year. This means Boys Town has about
three times the endowment of Notre Dame University, raises
more money than the Greater New York United Fund, and
would rank 372nd in assets on the Fortune 500 if if were a
business corporation. All this for 700 boys.

All this came to light after much digging by a weekly newspaper
in Omaha, Nebraska.

According to Lo Bello, a Roman Catholic journalist, the Vatican is
the only sovereign state that never publishes a budget. He was
accused of exaggeration in his estimates of Vatican wealth, but
suffice it to say, the wealth of the Vatican must be immense, for a
simple honest disclosure of its holdings, if they do not constitute
great wealth, would lay to rest all the "extravagant" estimates of
various writers, but such a disclosure has not been forthcoming.

The Sindona debacle, which the Vatican sought to hide from the
general public, resulted in a loss of close to one billion dollars. Yet
the Vatican carried on as before, demonstrating its reservoir of
financial reserves as nothing else could. Very few companies could
sustain such a loss and carry on without so much as a whisper.
(Chrysler Corporation lost half a billion and would have gone under
but for the U. S. government.)

The financial tentacles of the Vatican reach into numerous banks
in different countries. Yallop says that the Rothschilds in Paris
have been doing business with the Vatican since early in the 19th
century.

He goes on to point out that, "Credit Suisse, Hambros,
Morgan Guaranty, Bankers Trust, Chase Manhattan, and
Continental Illinois among others became Vatican partners.

This financial empire which finances the Vatican conspiracy is
filled with murder and mayhem. Yallop states, "The murder of
Luciano-Pope John Paul I was to stop him from removing Marcinkus
who was the foundation holding up Calvi, Sindona, and
Celli."

When the dust had cleared from John Paul's mysterious
death, it left in its aftermath a series of murders, assassinations
and "suicides" that only the Mafia could match for cold bloodedness.
Of the main players in the scene only Marcinkus and Celli
still remain in control. Yallop recounts in detail each one of the
murders and "suicides," and his pages, which are very difficult to
refute, make grim reading. His book, IN GOD'S NAME," merits
close reading by all who are concerned about freedom.

Because of the criticism that no disclosure is ever made of its
wealth, the Vatican has in recent years tried to reform some of its
monetary policies, but much still remains to be done. No estimate
can be given of the immense wealth of the Vatican, but one can
get some glimpses of the multi-billion dollar enterprise through
various works that have appeared in recent years.

Ostling, in his work, "Secrecy in The Church," written from the
standpoint of one sympathetic to the Church, does give some interesting
insights into the wealth of the Papacy.

He recounts that the late Bishop James A. Pike (a convert from
Romanism to Episcopalianism) wrote what he calls a sensational
article in which he said that the Jesuits had a controlling interest in
the Bank of America, the nation's largest, and that they earned
250 million dollars a year from their investments (a quarter of a
billion). He goes on to say that the Jesuits "sputtered, but they
have never made a full accounting of their holdings."
Gollin, a freelance writer who tried to research Papal wealth, figured the
securities and commercial properties of the Dioceses of the U.S.
at almost "one billion dollars."

Nino Lo Bello put "the American Jesuit's annual income at $250 million." He claims that all Catholic
units in the U.S. and Canada combined have assets of more than
$80 billion and an annual income of nearly $12.5 billion."

It was none other than Cardinal Vagnozzi who observed concerning
the Vatican's finances:

It would take a combination of the KGB, the C.I.A. and Interpol
to obtain just an inkling of how much and where the
monies are

According to this Cardinal three of the most powerful agencies in
the world could only obtain an inkling of how much the Vatican is
worth. Yallop points out that the "Vatican bought into General
Motors, Shell, Gulf Oil, General Electric, Bethlehem Steel, IBM
and TWA." He went on to say that "the Vicar of Christ had
acquired a new unofficial title: Chairman of the Board."

The Vatican also acquired "controlling interest in companies, in
fields of insurance, steel, financing, flour and spaghetti, industry,
cement and real estate." It owns sections of downtown Montreal,
Canada, sections of Mexico City in Mexico, many of the major
hotels in Italy, blocks of real estate on the Champs D'Elysee in
Paris, the Watergate area in Washington, D.C., real estate in New
York City, and the entire satellite city of Lomas Verdes in Mexico.
This is only the tip of the iceberg, for much of the Vatican's wealth
is hidden in holding companies so that it is difficult to come even
close in an estimate of its vast wealth. It is interesting to observe
also that Pope John Paul, who was murdered in the Vatican,
intended to reform the Vatican's finances. Yallop in his work claims
that this could have been one of a half dozen reasons why he was
murdered right in the Vatican. Another very interesting fact is that
Pope John Paul confessed to Father Dezza. Even the Pope has a
prelate to whom he confesses, and poor Pope John Paul for some
reason chose the head of the Jesuits as his "Father Confessor." If
for any reason he chose to confide some of his proposed changes
to Dezza, he may have unwittingly sealed his own death warrant.

Malachi Martin, former Jesuit professor at the Pontifical Biblical
Institute in Rome, in his new book, "RICH CHURCH POOR
CHURCH," puts the wealth of the "church" at 300 billion dollars.
He points out that the Vatican is the:

largest single stockholder in the world with about $20 billion
dollars traceably invested (but much more untraceably
invested) with gold deposits exceeding those of most medium
sized countries, and with a worldwide real estate operation.

He goes on to say in another place:

a list of the companies and banks in Italy and abroad in which
the Vatican acquired a controlling interest before the outbreak
of World War II, when added to the list of those in which it
acquired a minor but substantial interest, would fill some sixty
or seventy pages of this book

Even Martin, who still classes himself as a Roman Catholic, is
appalled at the extent of the Vatican's wealth when contrasted with
the impoverished millions of Roman Catholics around the world.
The present Pope speaks much about economic justice. Although
much has been written about the present Pope in glowing terms,
Yallop does not share the international newsmen's accolade.
Yallop states candidly:

the papacy of John Paul II has been a case of business as
usual. The business has benefitted immeasurably not only
from the murder of Albino Luciana, but also from the murders
that have followed that strange lonely death in the Vatican.

He goes on to say:

Many millions of words have been written since the election of
Karol Wojtyla in attempts to analyze and understand what
kind of man he is. As can be seen, he is the kind of man who
could allow men like Villot, Cody, Marcinkus, Mennini, De
Strobel and Poletto to remain in office

He adds:

"It is a papacy of double standards, one for the Pope and
one for the rest of mankind.
"There can be no defense on the grounds of ignorance,
Marcinkus is directly answerable to the Pope."
The Vatican Jesuit Global Conspiracy by Dr. Ronald Cooke (on Page 27 + references on this link: http://jamesjpn.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Cooke-The_Vatican_Jesuit_Global_Conspiracy1985.pdf )

My guess is that much of this is coming out for a while now to on the surface dismantle the Roman Empire and it's current Christian face, and re-establish it again under a new guise, with a new religion, a new hope and probably a new home - it's speculated by a few of these authors is that home is the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, a phoenix arising from the flames so to speak. In any case, the flames are all through that region - so who knows?
 
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