Who shot JFK?

[Nicholas]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

This thread reminds me of the theory proposed that it was the driver of JFK's limo that fired the fatal shot. He allegedly held the gun with his left hand and fired over his right shoulder. They also claims to be able to see the barrel of the gun in the Zapruder film.

This theory has of course been debunked.

 

[grini]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

The bullets goes up and out to the right of the front of his head

As I understand it, that was a piece of JFK's skull being blown off by a bullet coming from the grassy knoll.

A book on the QFS recommended reading list JFK and the Unspeakable. We have a forum thread on it somewhere. I cannot recommend it highly enough for anyone interested in learning about the JFK assassination. It recaps all the best research done in the last 50 years and even updates it with the very latest research to pretty much conclusively show how JFK was killed and why he was killed.

Here is one article posted by SOTT about this book:

http://www.sott.net/article/197950-JFK-and-the-Unspeakable-Why-He-Died-and-Why-It-Matters.

And here is a thread about it: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14878.0.html

 

[anart]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

After I thought it over tonight, I think I understand what Perceval was referring to when he commented that my post caught the actor virus. I presume you are saying that the PTB, and their usual Psy-ops would gladly want us to think that Jackie pulled the trigger, almost like she's an actor playing out her part in the conspiracy, whether knowingly or unknowingly to divert anyone searching for the truth, away from the real truth( the classic cointelpro play). She may well have been a patsy as well, just not the most well known or most mentioned patsy in the JFK assassination. Don't know if that's what you meant, but its always curious to me.

It seems to me that it's really that you believed a fantastical and truly implausible story and basically took it for real -as you put in the title thread, it's 'undeniable' which indicates that you bought it hook, line and sinker. Where was your discernment? Where was your critical thinking? At what point did you question what you were seeing/reading/thinking? It looks like you didn't, you just ran with an implausible, fantastic story because it was 'fun' to do so? I'm not sure how it happened or what your thought process was, but it seems like there is an entertainment factor of some sort that plays into it. Do you think there is?

 

[RflctnOfU]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

After I thought it over tonight, I think I understand what Perceval was referring to when he commented that my post caught the actor virus. I presume you are saying that the PTB, and their usual Psy-ops would gladly want us to think that Jackie pulled the trigger, almost like she's an actor playing out her part in the conspiracy, whether knowingly or unknowingly to divert anyone searching for the truth, away from the real truth( the classic cointelpro play). She may well have been a patsy as well, just not the most well known or most mentioned patsy in the JFK assassination. Don't know if that's what you meant, but its always curious to me.

It seems to me that it's really that you believed a fantastical and truly implausible story and basically took it for real -as you put in the title thread, it's 'undeniable' which indicates that you bought it hook, line and sinker. Where was your discernment? Where was your critical thinking? At what point did you question what you were seeing/reading/thinking? It looks like you didn't, you just ran with an implausible, fantastic story because it was 'fun' to do so? I'm not sure how it happened or what your thought process was, but it seems like there is an entertainment factor of some sort that plays into it. Do you think there is?

This seems to be a growing trend, across the board (ie social spectrum - NOT this forum board :)), but specifically within the overall newage movement. Basically the bigger the lie, the more a person with this symtom wants/tries to believe. I suspect it has at least a bit to do with the 'diet' of lies constantly imbibed as well as the dwindling capacity for perspicacity/highly developed BS detector.


Kris

 

[Jerrold]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

Hello all,

I too saw the footage over and over and in the versions I studied it looked as though the driver did it.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0

Jerrold

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[Niall]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

Hi Jerrold,

I don't see anything in that video analysis to indicate that the co-driver fired a weapon at JFK.

 

[Joe]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

Hi Jerrold,

I don't see anything in that video analysis to indicate that the co-driver fired a weapon at JFK.

I agree, that's a pretty strange conclusion to come to when neither of the men in the front show any sign of raising their arms at the point where JFK is shot.

 

[Palinurus]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

This theory was already referenced in Reply #10 of this thread:

This thread reminds me of the theory proposed that it was the driver of JFK's limo that fired the fatal shot. He allegedly held the gun with his left hand and fired over his right shoulder. They also claims to be able to see the barrel of the gun in the Zapruder film.

This theory has of course been debunked.

We also have a topic about that as well Who shot JFK?

 

[Palinurus]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

While doing an unrelated search, I ran into the transcript of an old SotT Podcast on November 22, 2006: Assassination Of JFK It contains an Interview/Discussion With Michael Collins Piper.

The podcast itself can be found here. You have to scroll down a bit to find diverse formats for direct listening or downloading.

And then there is the more recent SotT Talk radio show #26 of July 28, 2013: Hank Albarelli Interview: CIA Mind Control, Frank Olson and JFK and the short topic about that here. No transcript available as of yet.

EDIT: added SotT Talk links.

 

[TyBiggs85]

Re: Jackie killed JFK? The ballistics of the head shot are undeniable.....

I jumped to a conclusion that went against my better objective mind......I should have approached the subject with a healthy skepticism, while weighing all the other pieces of the JFK conspiracy puzzle, before proclaiming that this conclusion was "undeniable." I apologize to the forum for my mistake. As much as I would love to know exactly what happened to JFK, I always want to maintain objectivity and open-mindedness. I failed miserably in the purpose of this post. But I will continue studying......

I am currently reading "JFK and the Unspeakable" and a few other books. It's only fitting with the 50 year anniversary upon us, that this crime never have the book closed on it, because we all know how much the USA changed when he died.....

 

[Rasputin]

I don't know who killed JFK but there is a little known fact that could narrow down those involved.

I was in my freshman year at City University of New York (CCNY) when JFK was assassinated in Dallas, TX. The moment I heard it on the radio I ran and turned on the TV. For the next week my family and I were glued to the TV from morning till night. One of the things that stuck in my head was a report of a rehearsal of the JFK funeral that was taking place on the 24th (the day before). The reporter was amazed that the rehearsal was so authentic which included the entire funeral procession, lone horse, casket on horse drawn cassion, and mourners (that appeared to be crying) along with small children. She commented that they must have included the children so as to mimic the role of the Kennedy children the next day.

Of course a rehearsal was not the story of the day as Jack Ruby was about to kill Oswald just before noon Dallas time. All of Americas attention would be drawn to that event and not a rehearsal.

Little did I know that eight years latter I would move to Euclid Avenue in Birmingham, Michigan and meet Don and Gladys Groves who were not participating in any rehearsal on November 24th, 1963 but burying their son Michael Groves, Captain of the White House Guard...

http://www.longitude361.com/?p=1281

http://www.longitude361.com/?p=1291

 

[Zadius Sky]

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[thorbiorn]

How credible the following is is up to you to judge. What I can say is that it was the only newspaper I could find in DK that gave credit to the claim that JFK was murdered by someone else than Lee Harwey Oswald.

The story from _http://www.bt.dk/udland/se-danskers-afsloerende-fotos-jeg-har-loest-gaaden-om-jfk-mordet which also has a video, is that an eye specialist, Jens Thygesen for years has been very interested in the murder of JFK. Therefore, he had a picture on his computer which he also uses for his job. It has a programme used to scan pictures and reveal shadows on the retina.. somehow the JFK picture was scanned with other pictures and the program drew an human like ouitline around a figure up near the wall to the right.

The picture is a bit small on the webpage but can be enlarged.

He has also written a book about the murder according to which several groups were in on it. Two were to scare but not kill and one wanted to hit and kill. The one group that were intending to kill consisted of Lyndon B. Johnson, FBI-chief J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon and Clint Murchinson, the mafialeaders Meyer Lanski, Sam Giancana, Johnny Roselli, Santos Trafficante and a break-away fraction of the CIA including David Morales and William King Harvey. On the following map the blue are the lines from the groups that did not intend to kill and the reds are the ones from those who did want to kill.

His idea of several groups inolved seems plausible, whether he has got all the identities right is another question.

 

[Niall]

Yup, we discussed the idea that the original plan was subverted by another plan on yesterday's radio show. This angle on the assassination is starting to make a lot of sense to me. It explains why it was planned so thoroughly on the one hand (all that preparation to make Oswald seem like a KGB/Communist agent taking orders from Russia and planning his escape to Moscow via Cuba), yet they completely botched up the basic forensics (the original cover-up planners were limited to a narrative in which just 3 bullets were fired because they had only pre-placed 3 spent casings in the 'Sniper's Nest').

 

[thorbiorn]

Yup, we discussed the idea that the original plan was subverted by another plan on yesterday's radio show. This angle on the assassination is starting to make a lot of sense to me. It explains why it was planned so thoroughly on the one hand (all that preparation to make Oswald seem like a KGB/Communist agent taking orders from Russia and planning his escape to Moscow via Cuba), yet they completely botched up the basic forensics (the original cover-up planners were limited to a narrative in which just 3 bullets were fired because they had only pre-placed 3 spent casings in the 'Sniper's Nest').

It's funny how this pattern of multiple players on stage keeps coming up in other instances, like 9/11, the Boston Bombings, Columbine shooting, and you may recall more. One is told to imagine that only one actor is on the stage while in reality so many others are either on stage or behind the scenes, which therefore effectively confuses the investigation. And even if one succeeds to notice the other players it is at often as if from the perspective of the onlooker watching a firing squad in which only one shooter has live amu and the rest appear to carry blanks. This complicates the plot and makes it harder to find out what is going on. I do not know what to call the phenomenon but it is like there are both fake and real players, as also covert and overt, just as some of these operations appear to have a strange mix of consciious, semiconscioius and unconscius agents. The act itself is one thing, but the management of the information about this event is also an important part of the total impact.