Will Smith's altercation at the Oscars

[genero81]

But what we see here with Rock are a slew of movements and expressions which are so subtle so as to support the idea that Rock was NOT acting - all the while working to maintain his composure. So I think that Its just a testament to Rock’s professionalism that he was as well composed as he was after the slap, but he was clearly shaken afterwards; the show must go on and all that.

As far as Smith’s outrageous actions go, it probably beggars belief among many that he would behave that way. But that just speaks to how utterly grandiose, narcissistic and utterly lost he is in dealing with his very bad relationship issues. We just have little as a reference point for such a MAJOR despicable public act like his - so we say to ourselves "can't be!". That combined with a deservedly cynical perspective on Hollywood and its need for ratings/attention just adds to the take that the slap was staged.

A prediction: Smith and his wife will come out with a public statement affirming their commitment to one another, but will be separated and/or divorced in a year’s time. What is now perfectly obvious to the rest of the world will become utterly apparent to Smith himself; which is that he is in a very destructive relationship - as he is now thrown into the chaos of this realization and has to reconcile his very public image of success with such an obvious and intimate display of failure that is rooted in his personal life. Who would want to go through such a public humiliation just to garner more publicity for one's self when one has already achieved such immense outer success?

Excellent assessment IMO. If I was a betting man, I would bet that it was not planned or staged. As many have also felt, it made me cringe. It only serves to confirm my stance on celebrities as just people not to be idolized.

The decline of the West, indeed.

Will Smith, get some help.

 

[syldan]

So its a win-win for everybody!



For me what gives it away is Rock's standing position just before the "slap", both feet apart at shoulder level, leaning forward presenting the jaw with both arms in the back -- a good position to keep the balance.

And then after the "slap", Rock doesn't even rub his cheek and/or jaw Which for me is unnatural not to do.

Looks like stand-up comedy from my perspective! Wait for Will's next bullocksbuster! One way or the other who cares? But it has splashed from here to eternity on every newspaper? T'is the season, gotta keep the public entertained, right?!

 

[Tauriel]

Aside from the sting, the worst thing about a slap is the humiliation.

It happened to me twice. Apart from the physical pain it also touches something deep inside. I found this to be true even when I knew that in my case the slaps came from mentally ill people. The aspect of humiliation would probably increase when in front of an audience.

Besides whether the act was staged or real, advertising for the the oscar's and/or for hellyweird or pfizer's apoplecia med or was caused by the influence of a narcisstic energy in Smith' life (Jada), Smith could've simply displayed a programming meltdown.
Hollywood is a stronghold for mk-ultra.
When he shouted at Chris afterwards he looked clearly disturbed and while giving his speech he was crying all the time, clearly shaken and talking in many layered riddles.

Here's a video from a guy who additionally makes the point that the slapping of a black man by a black man didn't fit the proclaimed agenda of that night.

 

[Ursus Minor]

Just when you thought that we could lay this strange subject to rest here are some good points Candace Owens has made about Will Smith.

While recounting the night's events on her Daily Wire show Candace on Tuesday, Owens said in a clip shared on her Instagram account: "When Chris Rock first makes the joke, Will laughs, meaning that he takes the joke as it was intended—lightly.

"But then he looks over and sees that his wife does not find the joke funny and he immediately goes from an amused attendee to a thug-like husband, defending the honor of his wife's hair."

After further analysis of the incident, the conservative commentator said: "Through all of these jokes and the rampant commentary that is being offered, there is conversation that is being neglected—a truer assessment of what we observed on that Oscars stage.

"For the first time, we saw the real Will Smith, not a Fresh Prince, (...) but the real Will Smith—an incredibly broken man and the residual product of a directionless society that is filled with them.

"The kind of society that produces men that look to their more domineering wives, with their tails planted firmly between their legs, for instruction on what and who they ought to be in every room."

 

[candasiri]

We need Ricky back!
Ricky Golden Globes

 

[Michael B-C]

So we've already established that Pfizer is the sponsor of the oscars and that Pfizer is about to launch a new medication against alopecia.
Alopecia however seems to be one of the possible vaxx's side effects.
So here we are again, having gone full circle just like they're launching new medication against heart problems in children which haven't existed before in the first place.


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There's no such thing as bad publicity... just publicity...

As to why I'm primarily with the above scenario? Its called big-league marketing (we sponsor your dying product, you give headlines to our soon to be 'killer' product).

As for the spat, I'm 100% with Joe (as I was the first time I was made to watch it). I've staged many, many fight scenes on stage and from my experience and vantage point that whole routine was scripted (badly), rehearsed (twice), and delivered pot-roast... and see what its generated...?. in times of hellishness even a Dionysian interlude sems to go down a treat... 8 pages and counting.

 

[A Jay]

Nuff said? And yes I checked, on the Pfizer's drug trials...

There's no such thing as bad publicity... just publicity...

As to why I'm primarily with the above scenario? Its called big-league marketing (we sponsor your dying product, you give headlines to our soon to be 'killer' product).

The problem with this scenario is that no one in the mainstream is talking about alopecia beyond the brief mention of it in relation to the joke made about Jada. The conversation and publicity around the event has been focused on Will and Chris with no mention of Pfizer or their upcoming product, at least so far as I know having listened to a few mainstream takes on it.

The only reason I know that Pfizer has a drug coming out on alopecia is because of the people calling the slap a conspiracy of sorts to get people talking about alopecia so Pfizer can get free publicity about their drug.

If it was staged with the intent to use it as part of a marketing ploy, then why are the only people giving the drug any publicity the ones saying it was a stunt to give the drug publicity? That just doesn't fit what we know about how marketing gimmicks work, so if it was staged it seems unlikely to me to have been for this reason.

The most likely reason, if it was staged, would be to drum up some interest in the unpopular Oscars. But that too is unlikely because of what I and others have pointed out about the woke agenda of the Oscars and how the altercation undermines and contradicts it.

What seems most logical then is that it was real.

 

[Joe]

This seems to prove that Smith actually hit Rock, although it would seem not very hard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508270237153742848

 

[Michael B-C]

The problem with this scenario is that no one in the mainstream is talking about alopecia beyond the brief mention of it in relation to the joke made about Jada.

I think that's changing Ajay. Just a small sample of whats out there and 'trending'.

 

[Michael B-C]

This seems to prove that Smith actually hit Rock, although it would seem not very hard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508270237153742848

Just to share my experience of this - a stage punch involves punching across in front of the persons face whilst hitting your own chest to create the blow. A stage slap involves a full open, soft hand (like this one) that only hits the facial tissue below the eye bone (avoiding the ear - like this one). It makes a great sound, a short sting but avoids all possible damage. Its standard practice (and sorry, when did guys slap each other in real life?!) The fact that he hit him upstage is one of the cardinal rules of any staged fight (though you can also do the opposite - basically you do all that is possible to avoid side on). This means the two involved make easy eye contact and are in control of distance etc whilst giving the appearance of close up proximity.

The other thought is that its just another crazed PSYOP to test how people react - what they will and wont believe - (two black guys fight - is that ok or is that racist? One guy defends his wife - is that patriarchy or gentlemanly behavior and is that not banded now...? was it funny or was it assault? was it, was it, was it) After all its Hollywood so all lines are implicitly already blurred. Whatever the case - real or not - there's some data crunching going on over at Facebook, Google and Twitter I can tell you!

Anyway, enough already!

 

[gottathink]

I wonder Will Smiths behaviour is another example of people losing their frontal lobe ability to self regulate?

 

[Beau]

My guess is if this was planned/rehearsed, this would not be happening:

Academy Starts Disciplinary Proceedings Against Will Smith, Expulsion on the Table

Will Smith faces possible expulsion from the Academy of Motion Pictures after assaulting Chris Rock. Oscars claim he refused to leave.

variety.com

Days after Will Smith slapped Chris Rock during the 94th Oscars telecast on Sunday, the Board of Governors held an emergency meeting to discuss the consquences for the best actor winner. He now faces “suspension, expulsion, or other sanctions permitted.”

The statement from the Academy is highly damning, citing the standards of conduct and Smith’s violations of “inappropriate physical contact, abusive or threatening behavior, and compromising the integrity of the Academy.”

Smith, who won the Oscar for best actor for “King Richard” not long after the slap, has been given 15 days notice of a vote regarding his violations and sanctions, and has the opportunity to provide a written response. The next board meeting is scheduled for April 18, when the Academy may take disciplinary action.





One notable new bit of information is the Academy stating they asked Will Smith to leave the Dolby Theatre but Smith refused to do so. One of the biggest bits of scrutiny regarding the handling of the moment was Smith not being removed from the auditorium. The Academy has offered clarification saying Smith was asked to leave but refused. “We also recognize we could have handled the situation differently,” the Academy statement read.






The organization also offered a formal apology to Rock, the other nominees who attended the ceremony and the viewers at home and in person who witnessed the event. The letter states “Mr. Rock, we apologize to you for what you experienced on our stage and thank you for your resilience in that moment. We also apologize to our nominees, guests and viewers for what transpired during what should have been a celebratory event.”

The Academy released a statement:

The Board of Governors today initiated disciplinary proceedings against Mr. Smith for violations of the Academy’s Standards of Conduct, including inappropriate physical contact, abusive or threatening behavior, and compromising the integrity of the Academy.

Consistent with the Academy’s Standards of Conduct, as well as California law, Mr. Smith is being provided at least 15 days’ notice of a vote regarding his violations and sanctions and the opportunity to be heard beforehand by means of a written response. At the next board meeting on April 18, the Academy may take any disciplinary action, which may include suspension, expulsion, or other sanctions permitted by the Bylaws and Standards of Conduct.

Mr. Smith’s actions at the 94th Oscars were a deeply shocking, traumatic event to witness in-person and on television. Mr. Rock, we apologize to you for what you experienced on our stage and thank you for your resilience in that moment. We also apologize to our nominees, guests and viewers for what transpired during what should have been a celebratory event.

Things unfolded in a way we could not have anticipated. While we would like to clarify that Mr. Smith was asked to leave the ceremony and refused, we also recognize we could have handled the situation differently.





Monday evening, a letter from Academy President David Rubin and Academy CEO Dawn Hudson went out to the entire membership. The leadership shared their “outrage” regarding Smith’s actions and how it “overshadowed” the evening where films such as “CODA” and “Dune” walked away with the most awards.

Likely to go down as one of the craziest moments in the 94-year history of the Academy, it’s not the only “crazy” moment during a telecast. At the 1973 ceremony, Sacheen Littlefeather accepted the best actor Oscar on behalf of Marlon Brando for “The Godfather” (1972) to speak about the mistreatment of Native Americans in the Hollywood industry. This was on the heels of the standoff between law enforcement officials and Native Americans at Wounded Knee. After receiving a mixture of applause and audible boos from the audience, Littlefeather claimed in a 2021 interview with The Guardian that John Wayne had to be restrained by six security men to prevent him from forcibly removing her from the stage. Two-time director winner Clint Eastwood took the stage afterward to present best picture and grotesquely quipped, “I don’t know if I should present this award on behalf of all the cowboys shot in all the John Ford Westerns over the years.” No action was taken against the two during the telecast. However, the current Academy’s code of conduct was not in place.

During an episode of “The View,” Oscar-winning actress Whoopi Goldberg, a member of the Board of Governors, said, “We’re not going to take that Oscar from him. There will be consequences, I’m sure, but I don’t think that’s what they’ll do.” Harvey Weinstein was expelled from the Academy in October 2017 following the New York Times report of decades of sexual misbehavior. However, his Oscar win for producing “Shakespeare in Love” (1998) was not rescinded. Roman Polanski was convicted in 1978 of raping a 13-year-old girl before fleeing to France before his sentencing, but won an Academy Award for directing “The Pianist” in 2002. He was expelled in June 2019, . He filed a lawsuit against the Academy before losing the bid in August 2020.

 

[Ennio]

This body language analyst does a great job of breaking down what occurred as far as I can tell. In addition to the actual slap, the analyst also takes a close look at Jada Pinkett Smith's reaction to the joke quite closely, which is also pretty telling. Bottom line is: it is very unlikely and improbable that this was all a staged act (meant to boost ratings, sales of drugs, or anything else). It was just a rather sad and extremely public meltdown.

Body Language Analyst REACTS to WILL SMITH/CHRIS ROCK SLAP at 2022 Oscars. WAS IT STAGED?​

 

[Alejo]

This body language analyst does a great job of breaking down what occurred as far as I can tell. In addition to the actual slap, the analyst also takes a close look at Jada Pinkett Smith's reaction to the joke quite closely, which is also pretty telling. Bottom line is: it is very unlikely and improbable that this was all a staged act (meant to boost ratings, sales of drugs, or anything else). It was just a rather sad and extremely public meltdown.

That is a good video, and he's probably correct... I have been avoiding discussing this but it has found its way to my ears all over, and I haven't done any serious digging into it. Though his explanation for the smirk seems rather weak, "Will smith wouldn't make that mistake because he's a professional Oscar wining actor, and he feels good about slapping Chris" not sure, as if professional actors could nail a scene in one take every time... it looked more like he didn't realize the camera was on him, and then he starts barking, again I am no professional but maybe the slap was real, but some of it was planned, which would explain Chris being so open when he sees Will coming up.

I think that as professional as Chris is, he would tend to close down, when the husband of the lady you just made fun is walking toward you as in "I messed up, he's about to smack me, this isn't my first rodeo..."

But it's Hollywood, real or not, they're going to milk the publicity. I also understand some of the psychological context, which would explain and validate the realness of it. Whichever way it falls, I am ok and it wouldn't be surprising is what I am saying.

It sets up a worrying precedent though, smack comedians for being offensive, with the whole Joe Rogan and Dave Chapelle situation a little while ago, it does not bode well. That's what worries me, some people at work immediately started going "I think we have just learned that some things you don't joke about" which yes, but also... no, it's such a slippery slope, the definition of "you don't joke about this" becomes so vague and it just furthers that notion that people's feelings are paramount when any public speaking is to be made.

And that definition of offensive can be broadened to include absolutely anything. And with some of the folks out there, slapping a comedian might become the next big thing to get attention, the new MeToo movement and things could get silly for a while.

And that is troublesome, being able to make fun of our ridiculousness is extremely healthy, it's that mirror that most of us don't look into that often.

And so, that is my take Chris got certainly slapped, by a poorly executed slap by Will, but he may have been expecting it, for what reason? I don't know... or it was all real and Will did in fact slap him and the story happened exactly as we all saw it. I think that is not that big of a deal but the consequences it could have.. or maybe not, maybe I am being a bit dramatic, could be very bad.

Having said the above, my favorite joke about this whole thing was: "I can't wait to see someone try to slap Joe Rogan and find themselves on an MMA chokehold".

Anywho, my two cents.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

That is a good video, and he's probably correct... I have been avoiding discussing this but it has found its way to my ears all over, and I haven't done any serious digging into it. Though his explanation for the smirk seems rather weak, "Will smith wouldn't make that mistake because he's a professional Oscar wining actor, and he feels good about slapping Chris" not sure, as if professional actors could nail a scene in one take every time... it looked more like he didn't realize the camera was on him, and then he starts barking, again I am no professional but maybe the slap was real, but some of it was planned, which would explain Chris being so open when he sees Will coming up.

I think that as professional as Chris is, he would tend to close down, when the husband of the lady you just made fun is walking toward you as in "I messed up, he's about to smack me, this isn't my first rodeo..."

But it's Hollywood, real or not, they're going to milk the publicity. I also understand some of the psychological context, which would explain and validate the realness of it. Whichever way it falls, I am ok and it wouldn't be surprising is what I am saying.

It sets up a worrying precedent though, smack comedians for being offensive, with the whole Joe Rogan and Dave Chapelle situation a little while ago, it does not bode well. That's what worries me, some people at work immediately started going "I think we have just learned that some things you don't joke about" which yes, but also... no, it's such a slippery slope, the definition of "you don't joke about this" becomes so vague and it just furthers that notion that people's feelings are paramount when any public speaking is to be made.

And that definition of offensive can be broadened to include absolutely anything. And with some of the folks out there, slapping a comedian might become the next big thing to get attention, the new MeToo movement and things could get silly for a while.

And that is troublesome, being able to make fun of our ridiculousness is extremely healthy, it's that mirror that most of us don't look into that often.

And so, that is my take Chris got certainly slapped, by a poorly executed slap by Will, but he may have been expecting it, for what reason? I don't know... or it was all real and Will did in fact slap him and the story happened exactly as we all saw it. I think that is not that big of a deal but the consequences it could have.. or maybe not, maybe I am being a bit dramatic, could be very bad.

Having said the above, my favorite joke about this whole thing was: "I can't wait to see someone try to slap Joe Rogan and find themselves on an MMA chokehold".

Anywho, my two cents.

What the Dr. Jerome Adams said through JEEP's comment that absolutely everything is wrong in this situation... to that I would add the converage of the media, for example on CNN (I was seeing how in the United States they responded to the Russian ruble and the law for transgender athletes in Oklahoma) they published an article on how to explain this whole situation to children, for hygiene reasons I didn't read it... although if I felt like doing it now, I think I'll stay away from the media tomorrow or I'll I will sink into a spiral of masochism.