Descriptions of the "afterlife"/5th Density

[Ina]

Why is it resetting? It seems pointless not to acknowledge past mistakes. You write that the judgment of one's own mistakes is at the end of physical life and then there is reincarnation and then again with no memory of past mistakes. How can we become better if we don't know what a mistake is?

Or yet another question. Is the amnesia by design or by simply learning to integrate and grow in society? In my first memories I had a sense of myself knowing. After a lifetime of learning I have no sense of who I am or if I knew anything at all, in the 'knowing sense' perspective I mean. Perhaps, it is less about the mistakes one does while experiencing life like everyone does living on full speed 'automatic pilot'. Thinking about that it could be compared to living the mass produced margarine version of experience. Perhaps it is about learning to reconnect and stay connected to your source of knowing and choosing what to experience and do so to the fullest, good or bad or whatever knowing why you made the choice.
Perhaps that is the reason of so many reincarnations.

 

[nicklebleu]

I think experiencing all aspects of 3D reality at a visceral level and to learn about them at the same level might be part of the answer.

It is said that we need to learn lessons, but then we seemingly forget that we already experienced one particular issue. So are we bound to have to repeat these, and so how do we progess, if we just forget again?

Maybe we don’t really forget, but the remembering is on a different level. Maybe the learning happens (or needs to happen) on a much deeper level, akin to muscle memory learning complex motor skills bypassing the conscious execution of same, but on the soul level.

Maybe it can only be said for a lesson to TRULY have been learned if it is so deeply internalised that it transcends dimensional boundaries thus bypassing consciousness until it becomes part of us?

 

[showmustgoon]

Descriptions of the "afterlife"/5th Density​

After a long process of reflection on the soul incubation, deception, golden door/road etc. mentioned in the sessions, I have contradictions with the way the 5th concept is conveyed.

Why 5th is not a level like 4 and 6 but where we move to when we die?
and is it right to go to 5th?

Frankly, after thinking about “5th city on a hill”, elevators and many other things, I must add that I have clear doubts about all the things listed in this post

 

[irjO]

Frankly, after thinking about “5th city on a hill”, elevators and many other things, I must add that I have clear doubts about all the things listed in this post

What is your take on the afterlife? Or what is it that you feel in conflict about it?

 

[showmustgoon]

What is your take on the afterlife? Or what is it that you feel in conflict about it?

What if the lizard is creating our illusion and especially our illusion of time and giving us false memories?

Did it also give us false level five memories? Could it have?

Why is it that we don't know level 5 when the elevator goes to the fifth floor, just like level 4, but we know it when we die?

What are we to make of it when we are told that level 5 is not a break, but that we can be at 4?

Why is there an elevator from third to fifth?

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5D city on a hill! ?

 

[irjO]

What if the lizard is creating our illusion and especially our illusion of time and giving us false memories?

They could.

Did it also give us false level five memories? Could it have?

Well, depends on what makes you think you could have 5th density memories. But 5th won’t be the same experience or will look the same for everyone. Unless we can have a NDE, most likely any memory of 5th density could be a creation of your subconscious or like you said some sort of false memory implanted.

Why is it that we don't know level 5 when the elevator goes to the fifth floor, just like level 4, but we know it when we die?

I don’t know what are you referring to as an elevator, but if you are talking about the discussion related to the underground bases, according to the Cs the usage of the elevator for those levels (4th and 5th) are not for humans to use, but any other type of entities, if we want to go to 5D, then our body needs to expire/die.

What are we to make of it when we are told that level 5 is not a break, but that we can be at 4?

I didn’t understand this, sorry.

Why is there an elevator from third to fifth?

What elevator are you referring to? If it’s the same I mentioned before about the underground bases, I already answered that. The only way for us to visit 5th is either because of a NDE, in our dreams to some level and by physically dying.

 

[showmustgoon]

Well, depends on what makes you think you could have 5th density memories. But 5th won’t be the same experience or will look the same for everyone. Unless we can have a NDE, most likely any memory of 5th density could be a creation of your subconscious or like you said some sort of false memory implanted.

Q: (L) What did they do to us?
A: Gave false memories.

Thread 'Session 16 July 1994'

Jan 2, 2010

July 16, 1994 [1]

"Frank", "Candy" and Laura

Q: Hello.
A: Hello.
Q: Do you have any messages for us?
A: Keep doing what comes naturally.
Q. (L) In what respect?
A: Study.
Q: (L) What is your name?
A: Mucpeor.[2]
Q: (L) Are you an alien from another planet?
A: Alien from your perspective, yes.
Q: (L) What is your group called?
A: Corsas.
Q: (L) Where are you from?
A: Casiopaea.
Q: (L) Where is that?
A: Near Orion.
Q: (L) I heard that the Orions are the "Bad guys." Are the Orion group bad?
A: Some bad.
Q: (L) Do you serve self or others?
A: I serve both.
Q: Are you bad or good?
A: Good.
Q...

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Q: (J) What does "5D city on a hill" mean?
A: The metaphor of the fundies with a twist of truth.

Thread 'Session 4 July 2009'

Jul 16, 2009

I'm a little late getting this one up. There was some discussion in QFS about how best to edit it since we want to protect certain individuals, but also want to ensure that information that is useful to others is made available. There is also a bit in this session that is a little embarrassing to me but we decided to retain it anyway in the event that it is helpful to others.

Session Date: July 4th 2009
Laura, Ark, A***, Joe, C**, Don D, Allen B, Scottie, G**

Q: This is 4th of July, 2009. 4, 7, 09. (DD) 11-11. (L) 9-11, or 11-9. It's an eleven. That's creepy.

A: It's...

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(Anart) Is it a specific city that will be a "5D city on a hill"? Can we know?
A: Think big!

Thread 'Session 29 December 2009'

Dec 30, 2009

Session Date: December 29th 2009

Laura, Ark, Anart, Joe, A***, P*****, Allen, C**, I**, Scottie, G***

Q: {General mayhem as lights are adjusted and 3 Christmas candles are lit}

A: Hello people of the future.

Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Knoriha of Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Okay… Ark was saying he was reading some predictions that there's going to be a bloody future for the US and not a very good future for France either. We'll have to find the article.
{Article located at: http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com/2009/12/2010-saga-continues.html }

A: Didn't we say "5D city on...

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It is precisely because of this and other quotes I will add below that I have doubts that I will go to 5D when I die. I also doubt whether the false memories will be 5D memories.

I don’t know what are you referring to as an elevator,
if we want to go to 5D, then our body needs to expire/die.

Q: Why don't they need it?
A: They will have it when the elevator reaches "floor number 4."

Thread 'Session 31 July 1999'

Nov 10, 2011

July 31, 1999



Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Lorskvaa.

Q: And where do you transmit through?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: I want to ask an off-the-wall question here before we get serious. Is there any kind of rain dance we can do to cool things off a bit? It is really scorching and our air conditioner is going constantly.

A: You can do as you choose.

Q: Well, if I knew that it might work, and if there was such a thing as a real rain dance, I would certainly choose to do it!

A: Laura, you cannot possibly expect us to answer such a vaguely...

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Q: (J) No, but you have got to know where the elevator is! (L) Is there something like an elevator that can move you, if you're in these locations, from one density to another, and experience these bases, these trans-density bases, at different levels?
A: It is an elevator!

Q: (L) OK, so these bases are points... it IS an elevator, so these bases may be places that if you are taken to them, are in them, that through these portals, or trans-density bases, you are thereby able to transit the densities?
A: You are able anyway.

Q: (L) OK, but are these specific locations... OK, it is an elevator... (T) Well, not an elevator as we perceive an elevator... (J) Conceptually, yes. It's a conveyance, it's a method.
A: No.

Q: (T) No, that it isn't an elevator as we perceive it? (L) Is it an elevator for...
A: Literally.

Q: (L) It is literally an elevator?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So you go there to get on to go to different densities?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, it is that easy?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So you go to these bases, to go to different densities...
A: Although, it is possible to enter 4th and 5th in other ways too!

Thread 'Session 4 November 1995'

May 29, 2014

November 4, 1995
Frank, Laura, Susan V, Terry and Jan

Keep in mind while reading this session that this was 6 years before 9-11-01. A lot of things that we could not imagine have become realities since then, including the increasing control of populations and travel restrictions.

Q: Hello.

A: Hello. Poojoy.

Q: (Laura) Is that your name?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is Poojoy? What does it relate to? Could you clarify that, please?

A: Must it relate?

Q: (L) What is your name?

A: Naphoron.

Q: (L) Can you identify anything about yourself?

A: From Cassiopaea, my dear! There is no...

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Altair)The C's once said that 4D STS also have bases in 5D.
(L) I think they said they "transit". I don't think they said they... Did you mean that they actually had bases in 5D?
A: No

Q: (L) So, then the rest of the question, "Do they abduct people to their bases located in 5D?" would be no, right?
A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. But you say that the bases "transit" 5D. Transit?
A: Everything living is connected to 5D via cord or conduit at all times. Thus 4D bases are also connected.

Q: (L) So, we're not talking about physical structure bases, we're just talking about the fact that abduction activities and base-type activities are, I mean... I guess in a way we're all connected to 5D at all times. Yes?
A: Yes

Thread 'Session 27 April 2024'

May 8, 2024

Session Date: April 27th 2024

Laura and Andromeda at the board

Joe, Niall, Gaby, Ark, PoB, Chu, Scottie, Falkor, Bella, Leia

FOTCM Members attending via Zoom:

3DStudent, A Jay, Adobe, Aeneas, aimarok, Aiming, Alana, Alejo, Altair, aluminumfalcon, anartist, AndrewMn, Andrian, annp, Anthony, Approaching Infinity, Arwenn, Aya, Bluefyre, Bobo08, brandon, cassandra, Cleo, Cosmos, Deliverance, Dirgni, dugdeep, Eboard10, Ellipse, fabric, Faith-Hope and Love, finduilas495, France, Gawan, genero81, Glenn, Harmony99, herondancer, Hesper, hesperides, iamthatis, irjO, Iscreamsandwish, Ivan_...

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No, no, no. Maybe you have to be a 5D spirit to get to 5D, or we'll know when the elevator goes from 4 to 5

I didn’t understand this, sorry.

Q: I don't want to wait and see! (A) Wait and see! When it hits us, we will know! (L) Let me ask this....
A: What a glorious transition to 4th density STO. With maybe a quick stopover in 5th just to pick up a few things for the trip!

Thread 'Session 28 August 1999'

Nov 10, 2011

August 28, 1999


Q: Hello.

A: Hello.

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?

A: Kiolorra.

Q: And where do you transmit through?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: We have been discussing the strange visitors to our website. It seems that there is a lot of interest from groups that are connected with intelligence and military organizations. Can you tell us what their interest is in our material?

A: Material is largely accurate.

Q: Do they understand that this material is largely accurate, and is this the reason for their interest?

A: Yes.

Q: Do we have to be concerned about...

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Well, what if I don't give stopovers

What elevator are you referring to? If it’s the same I mentioned before about the underground bases, I already answered that. The only way for us to visit 5th is either because of a NDE, in our dreams to some level and by physically dying.

No, no, no, no. The only way to visit 5D is to ride a level 4 density wave as a result of a level 4 harvest.

5D city on a hill! ?

If I understand this correctly.
5D is a fake elevator, fake memory


5D city on a hill! ... I think this is what it means

 

[showmustgoon]

It is precisely because of this and other quotes I will add below that I have doubts that I will go to 5D when I die. I also doubt whether the false memories will be 5D memories.


Sessison 16 July 1994

Q: (L) What did they do to us?
A: Gave false memories.

Sesion 4 July 2009

Q: (J) What does "5D city on a hill" mean?
A: The metaphor of the fundies with a twist of truth.

Session 29 December 2009

(Anart) Is it a specific city that will be a "5D city on a hill"? Can we know?
A: Think big!


Altair)The C's once said that 4D STS also have bases in 5D.
(L) I think they said they "transit". I don't think they said they... Did you mean that they actually had bases in 5D?
A: No

No, no, no. Maybe you have to be a 5D spirit to get to 5D, or we'll know when the elevator goes from 4 to 5



Session 29 August 1999

Q: I don't want to wait and see! (A) Wait and see! When it hits us, we will know! (L) Let me ask this....
A: What a glorious transition to 4th density STO. With maybe a quick stopover in 5th just to pick up a few things for the trip!

Well, what if I don't give stopovers



No, no, no, no. The only way to visit 5D is to ride a level 4 density wave as a result of a level 4 harvest.

5D city on a hill! ?

If I understand this correctly.
5D is a fake elevator, fake memory


5D city on a hill! ... I think this is what it means

For clarity I should add the following. also I didn't know that if I added links to my quotes it would look like above, sorry. I will try to add only the session date

01.03.2025

(Altair) Who is usually being transferred from 3D to 5D by means of these "high-tech" elevators, which were mentioned in the January 25th, 2025 session?
A: What you know of as "angels" or "demons".

Q: (L) Like Jacob's ladder.
A: Yes

Q: (L) I see. So it would be like 5D angel/demon types that would use them to come and go, but it's not... Well, I don't know what to say. Okay. Two:
(Altair) What is the most common purpose of transferring somebody from 3D to 5D by means of these "high-tech" elevators?
A: SPA

Q: (L) And I guess, number three is kind of already answered, the question being:
(Altair) Who operates such elevators, apart from 4D STS beings?
(L) So I guess if we're talking about from 3D to 5D, we're talking about demons or angels. And if we're talking about people, I mean, is this how people go to 5D when they die?
A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) So when people die, they transfer through their own kind of silver cord to their 5D self and that's a different activity. Is that correct?
A: Yes

Q: (L) But 4D can also use these because they exist or maybe they exist because of angels or demons that come into and out of our world. Is that true?
A: Yes

Here I produce the comment that they are fooling us in the ether, about what they call the elevator that takes us to 5d

14.01.2023

Q: (seeker2seer) Would the alien invasion appear as a false second coming of Christ with angels?
A: Might be spun that way.

I think they do it in ether.

Session 29 December 2018
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Q: (L) So, basically from what I've been putting together from our discussions over the past few years, it seems that there are beings in 5D who can share their lessons and energy with us if we're connected in some way like genetically or some spiritual connection or whatever – really, almost like ancient ancestor worship. Then there are beings in 4D who are basically like angels and demons who can help or harm. So, some of the ancient depictions of life and spiritual realities aren't that far off. Is that what we're saying here?

A: Yes

Session 19 July 1997
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A: Woven of those who portray the lights.
Q: And that is always the way it has been. They appear as 'angels of light.' And, essentially, everything in history has been rewritten by this group.
A: Under the influence of others. And whom do you suppose?

I think Cs made humor here

Session 14 January 2023

Q: (Ze Germans) Did [name redacted] husband [name redacted] have a safe transition to 5D?
A: Oh indeed. A shining soul protecting from the other side.

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I would have to quote almost the whole session, so I just left a link.

For the broad concepts here such as pot of gold, Wizard of Oz yellow brick road, wrong door, temptation

Thread 'Session 11 March 1995'

Dec 7, 2011

March 11, 1995

Frank, Laura, Terry, Jan, SV

This was the session held on the evening of the day we gave a demo at the local MUFON meeting. At that meeting, one of the attendees placed a gauss meter on the table beside the board and every time the Cs responded to a question, it buried the needle. (Gauss meter: an instrument for measuring the intensity magnetic fields.)

Q: (L) Hello.

A: Real UFOs SV.

Q: (T) The word is coming off the board because the surface is too slick to hold the ink. {We were using a new board and had added several words and punctuation marks to it.}

A...

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[showmustgoon]

@Altair

Hello.

As I understand it, it's like this

The way to move to 5d is to graduate from 4d

I think the current 5d analogy represents the 4STS fooling us.

Cs said, “We don't kidnap.” Cs said "we don't take you by the hand"
I think we should interpret these two as 'we don't take you by the hand to 5D' and 'we don't kidnap you to 5D'

I understand that you can go from 3d to 4d by elevator via 4sts, but since STS doesn't have a branch in 5d, you can't go to 5d the same way.

I think “5D city on a hill!?” and “the gate was there” and “the road to gold” explain it to us

Yes. We're connected to 5D. It's just about being connected and it should probably be something like this.
4STO beings are directly connected to 6D guides
Probably 3STO beings are also connected to 5D guides.
Also 3STS have a full consciousness connection with 5D at the time of death. Cs stated that.

I guess we will know the real 5D when we graduate to 5D and what we have must be false memories

 

[irjO]

Showmustgoon have you read The Wave series? You are mixing concepts and sessions extracts with your own incorrect interpretation, I don’t think you have a clue of what you are talking about.

Just to be clear, the level of awareness of the universe is what makes these “levels” of densities, is our perception of it, all beings from 1 to 4 goes to 5th density aka the astral plane when we die, which would be the “common true” home to digest and process information, also known as lessons. At some point we will learn all lessons from one density that is there to learn and then we can move on to the next one, but 5th density is the balancing level to determine this, to measure and review our progress basically.

I will highly recommend you to read the 8 books of the wave series where all the context of the sessions are provided by Laura to begin with.

 

[showmustgoon]

Showmustgoon have you read The Wave series? You are mixing concepts and sessions extracts with your own incorrect interpretation, I don’t think you have a clue of what you are talking about.

Just to be clear, the level of awareness of the universe is what makes these “levels” of densities, is our perception of it, all beings from 1 to 4 goes to 5th density aka the astral plane when we die, which would be the “common true” home to digest and process information, also known as lessons. At some point we will learn all lessons from one density that is there to learn and then we can move on to the next one, but 5th density is the balancing level to determine this, to measure and review our progress basically.

I will highly recommend you to read the 8 books of the wave series where all the context of the sessions are provided by Laura to begin with.

I think you haven't yet understood “5D city on a hill!?” and you haven't thought about it big enough, so you haven't yet figured out what it means.

It is explained that when you die there is a consciousness connection with 5D.
Also the connection with the 5D is explained by the representation of a cord.
This can be likened to the umbilical cord of a baby. In the ether, the soul could feed from the 5D mother just like a baby in the womb.
Memories thought to be 5D belong to the ether region. You are mistaken. Do not neglect. Review the data - objectively.

The 5D concept is a crude fairy tale like heaven and angels in religions

The tale is reinforced in the ether by those who masquerade and play the role of “angels” and beacons of light.

This can be interpreted from the sessions, look again and analyze it well.
I find these things completely from cs one interpretation, I did not make them up out of my head

 

[Nienna]

I think you haven't yet understood “5D city on a hill!?” and you haven't thought about it big enough, so you haven't yet figured out what it means.

It is explained that when you die there is a consciousness connection with 5D.
Also the connection with the 5D is explained by the representation of a cord.
This can be likened to the umbilical cord of a baby. In the ether, the soul could feed from the 5D mother just like a baby in the womb.
Memories thought to be 5D belong to the ether region. You are mistaken. Do not neglect. Review the data - objectively.

The 5D concept is a crude fairy tale like heaven and angels in religions

The tale is reinforced in the ether by those who masquerade and play the role of “angels” and beacons of light.

This can be interpreted from the sessions, look again and analyze it well.
I find these things completely from cs one interpretation, I did not make them up out of my head

To ask again since you did not answer irj0's question, have you read The Wave series?

This is your own interpretation, it is not the interpretation of Laura to whom the Cassiopaeans communicate with. Since the Cassiopaeans have discussed the 5th Density to be a place of contemplation before reincarnating as well as other souls residing there to continue their lessons, are you saying that the Cassiopaeans are lying to us?

 

[Wandering Star]

I think you haven't yet understood “5D city on a hill!?” and you haven't thought about it big enough, so you haven't yet figured out what it means.

It is explained that when you die there is a consciousness connection with 5D.
Also the connection with the 5D is explained by the representation of a cord.
This can be likened to the umbilical cord of a baby. In the ether, the soul could feed from the 5D mother just like a baby in the womb.
Memories thought to be 5D belong to the ether region. You are mistaken. Do not neglect. Review the data - objectively.

The 5D concept is a crude fairy tale like heaven and angels in religions

The tale is reinforced in the ether by those who masquerade and play the role of “angels” and beacons of light.

This can be interpreted from the sessions, look again and analyze it well.
I find these things completely from cs one interpretation, I did not make them up out of my head

I guess you want the show to go on.

Your beliefs, your decision.

 

[Happy Poo]

Was thinking about why we don't remember our past lives. And thought how difficult it would be to remember all of the bad stuff I may have done.. And the regrets that would come with it. Only God knows what that may be. I imagine remembering all of it within the limitations of our incarnate state of being would be overwhelming.

I personally have enough trouble dealing with the regrets from what I've done in this life , let alone others.. Sometimes I wonder if I will continue to exist at all due to these regrets and struggle with this daily, it's been like this for a long time. Hope to share about it one day with you all.. It's related to family issues.

It's one of the reasons why I find it hard to judge or condemn others for the bad things they do (with some exceptions depending on what they do), without first looking at myself and what I have done in this life or may have done in other lives, to get a more expansive view or perspective.

 

[Wandering Star]

I personally have enough trouble dealing with the regrets from what I've done in this life , let alone others.. Sometimes I wonder if I will continue to exist at all due to these regrets and struggle with this daily, it's been like this for a long time. Hope to share about it one day with you all.. It's related to family issues.

It's one of the reasons why I find it hard to judge or condemn others for the bad things they do (with some exceptions depending on what they do), without first looking at myself and what I have done in this life or may have done in other lives, to get a more expansive view or perspective.

I have always interpreted the biblical phrase "Son of Man" according to your comment.

Could something else have been done?

Sure. But now you know.

You really know.

The following may be based on that.