Dental Health

[lilyalic]

I started smoking 3 years ago. 2 years ago I started smoking pipe. At that time I didn't wash my teeth exept with a licorice stick.
I didn't pay attention to the appearance of my teeth. Then, something like 1 years ago I realise that my teeth were black. I started to brush my teeth with home made toothpaste (half baking soda, half coconut oil or green clay, plus few drops of mint tree essential oil) and doing oil pulling with coconut oil before meal.

I didn't see much improvement.

I finally get to the dentist yesterday. He said he never saw anything like that in his 35 years career.

He started cleaning the teeth. I have another appointment in two month for him to finish the job.

I will try to stick to cigarillo for now and maybe start again to smoke the pipe tabacco in the form of cigarettes.

There are tooth cleaning kits you can buy online or even in stores, if you don't mind doing it yourself.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mammoth-XT-Complete-Dental-Cleaning/dp/B009ZDPORC/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1427459925&sr=8-6&keywords=tooth+cleaning+kit

..I've done this myself a few times, after coconut oil pulling. Sometimes I just do it with little scissors, the tobacco stains come off real easy anyway.

I also recently found that scrubbing your teeth with Activated charcoal improves the whiteness. Here's a video of a girl doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xETW8UrBuzU

 

[Goemon_]

Thanks Lilyalic,

I will certainly try both.

 

[Phill4]

Hi guys. So i had my wisdom tooth removed last thursday, and it's been aching a lot since then, and after seeing the pain increased at times, specially after waking up, i was looking online what it might be, and i think i have a "dry socket". Where once the tooth is pulled the socket dries exposing the bone.

Now some black tissue formed around the bone and on top of this a white-greenish thing appeared.

It hurt today so i decided to try to clean it since the dentist was not open today.

I tried salt water, ice, coconut oil, presure to see it any pus came and although it helps and salt and coconut oil is a good thing to have,
the pain seem to increase instead of decrease.


I do not want to take pain killers and antibiotics so i will try garlic and more ice now that i cleaned that stuff out of the hole.

I wanted to know if anyone had any other suggestion.


PS: the first days i experienced diziness and headaches.

 

[Thaigrr]

I have had success using myrrh wrapped in cheese cloth and applied to the affected area. It is beneficial as an astringent and antiseptic. I had almost instant relief!

Maybe this as a temporary fix until you visit your dentist.

 

[Phill4]

Thank you, never heard of myrrh oil, im reading a bit on it now. Seems promising, and it is weird, i had tooth pulled out before and it never took so long to heal.



After the extraction, blood fills up the hole and overflows, you have to clean and aply presure to stop the bleeding and let it clot and remain there, that is what stops anything to get into the whole and brings the skin back together.
At some point the clot must have come out.... Exposing the bone, It makes sense now

 

[Phill4]

Ok today i went to the dentist, just came out actually, after a week of mild mouth misery,
And i told the dentist, i thought i had a dry socket, he said oh you did your reseach! I said ok?

But anyway, he said it was, and went ahead and explained what i had already figured out, i told him what i had been doing, and then he said that dry socket is common and has a somewhat easy fix.

He took this little root, reopened the hole and placed it in, till it reached the bone


As it happens it was cloves, the root or some part of the tree and he said yes it is cloves.

And it is getting a little better and looks it's taking effect already. I had no idea cloves had that property.

Also prescrived amoxicilin and painkillers.
Im hesitant to take penicillin...

In the meantime im seeing how it developes...

Just wanted to add that since i couldn't find on the forum anything about dry sockets.

 

[Bluefyre]

DBZ, I don't know if you found a holistic dentist, but I found this site helpful. It's an international association and from what I understand follows Weston Price's principles. I live in western Canada and have an appointment next month with someone on their list. _http://iaomt.org/find-a-doctor/search-for-dentist-physician/

 

[Cleo]

Hello all, last week I started to experience pretty strong tooth pain-developed an infection from where my lower left wisdom tooth started to break through the skin only partially. There was some bleeding yesterday but not for too long. The swelling has gone down quite a bit and there is little pain today (notice the pain is usually the worse at night). Have been trying several different methods-clove oil, salt water rinse, homeopathic medicine and a tooth/gum gel from a health food store.

Went to the dentist today and my appointment to have it extracted by an oral surgeon is in a couple days. In the meantime, they've prescribed the antibiotic Amoxicillin to be taken 2 times a day and the antibiotic rinse Chlorhexidine 2-3 times a day. Not thrilled about taking either, a bit worried actually. Think the last time I took antibiotics was about 10 years ago when I had a root canal.

I've been doing a bit of research on probiotics in this thread and online from my phone and from what I understand, the recommended probiotic is lactobacillus rhamnosus in liquid form? Also, about how many hours after taking an antibiotic would you recommend taking the probiotic? What I read online is 2 hours in between. Think I'll try and pick up the probiotic this evening from the health food store.

 

[lilyalic]

Hello all, last week I started to experience pretty strong tooth pain-developed an infection from where my lower left wisdom tooth started to break through the skin only partially. There was some bleeding yesterday but not for too long. The swelling has gone down quite a bit and there is little pain today (notice the pain is usually the worse at night). Have been trying several different methods-clove oil, salt water rinse, homeopathic medicine and a tooth/gum gel from a health food store.

Went to the dentist today and my appointment to have it extracted by an oral surgeon is in a couple days. In the meantime, they've prescribed the antibiotic Amoxicillin to be taken 2 times a day and the antibiotic rinse Chlorhexidine 2-3 times a day. Not thrilled about taking either, a bit worried actually. Think the last time I took antibiotics was about 10 years ago when I had a root canal.

I've been doing a bit of research on probiotics in this thread and online from my phone and from what I understand, the recommended probiotic is lactobacillus rhamnosus in liquid form? Also, about how many hours after taking an antibiotic would you recommend taking the probiotic? What I read online is 2 hours in between. Think I'll try and pick up the probiotic this evening from the health food store.

Hi Cleo, sorry to hear of the pain you're experiencing!

Don't worry too much about the antibiotics, sometimes they're needed. (definitely worth taking if you're in pain!) I felt the same as you when I was prescribed antibiotics

I'd suggest just taking the probiotics close to bed time, but 2 hours after taking the anti's seems like a good idea too. When I was on Amoxcillin 3x daily, I was taking about a tablet of Lacto Rhamnosus (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Culturelle-Probiotic-Lactobacillus-GG-Capsules/dp/B00014JJDO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1446010923&sr=8-2&keywords=culturelle) everyday. They're cheap and the GG kind.

Good luck!

 

[Cleo]

Hi Lilyalic,

Thanks, I'll be looking into the probiotic you linked to, see if the health food store has them. Meant to have located a probiotic by now so I could take them not long after the antibiotic. Anyway, looks like I'll be taking them after surgery which should also be fine I think.

The dentist the other day asked if I'd like a sedative pill or nitrous oxide aka laughing gas during surgery. Would rather not take another pill so opted for the nitrous oxide. From what I understand, there's not much in the way of adverse side affects with this type of sedation.

 

[Alada]

The dentist the other day asked if I'd like a sedative pill or nitrous oxide aka laughing gas during surgery. Would rather not take another pill so opted for the nitrous oxide. From what I understand, there's not much in the way of adverse side affects with this type of sedation.

One thing I found that helped at the dentist with any major work being done, was to focus on gentle belly breathing (as in the Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program). Not overdoing it, but a gentle focused breath, just enough to help calm things down. It helps take attention away from only being able to focus on what's going on with the procedure itself, plus helps you relax and be as calm as is possible given the circumstances, through what can be pretty stressful for the body. From there you can keep talking yourself through as you breath.

Hope it goes well!

 

[luke wilson]

I had 2 wisdom teeth extracted by an oral surgeon when I was 17. The procedure went ok, though afterwards I was given pretty strong painkillers. During the actual procedure itself, I kept myself distracted by looking at the dental torch hanging overhead, plus (and this was unusual) the dental students stood around the dental chair watching the procedure, taking notes, staring into my mouth as the surgeon pointed at different bits and bobs. I had given my consent for the surgeon to use this as a lesson to his students.

I was under local anaesthesia at the time which was fine as I didn't feel any pain but I think nowadays they can give you stuff to pretty much knock you out during the actual procedure...

 

[lainey]

The dentist the other day asked if I'd like a sedative pill or nitrous oxide aka laughing gas during surgery. Would rather not take another pill so opted for the nitrous oxide. From what I understand, there's not much in the way of adverse side affects with this type of sedation.

One thing I found that helped at the dentist with any major work being done, was to focus on gentle belly breathing (as in the Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program). Not overdoing it, but a gentle focused breath, just enough to help calm things down. It helps take attention away from only being able to focus on what's going on with the procedure itself, plus helps you relax and be as calm as is possible given the circumstances, through what can be pretty stressful for the body. From there you can keep talking yourself through as you breath.

Hope it goes well!

I can vouch for that method. I was doing it today! I've just had the first of my amalgams swapped out and some new fillings to top it off. (6 in total)
I had a pretty painful and cold scale and polish too so focusing on deep relaxed breathing really helped make it bearable.
Luckily for me as a full time student I get everything except the actual fillings for free so now was the perfect time to catch up on all those years of neglect.
So my advice to anyone going through this is to close your eyes and breathe as deeply and slowly as you can and recite POTS in your mind. It really helped me.

 

[Cleo]

Think it could be really helpful to recite POTS and do the gentle breathing while in surgery. Thanks for the heads up!

I was also told by the dentist btw, that I have an abscess under a root canal done on a lower right tooth about 10 years ago. Possibly a low grade infection, pretty sure I haven't experienced any pain from that tooth since the root canal. Most likely I will also have the tooth extracted-don't know how much I can afford redoing a root canal at this point.

I've also been thinking about this off and on the last several days since having this tooth pain. I've read about the emotional releases sometimes experienced after practicing EE which can sometimes manifest as body aches/pains...I wonder whether practicing the pipe breathing may have contributed somewhat to this rupture in pain? I bring this up because for several days straight before the pain, I was practicing the pipe breathing a lot more than usual. I actually felt like I was finally getting down the constriction part. Seems I was motivated by the last C's session to start practicing again (there was the discussion about making small changes, changing habits).

Also, I noticed the day before the pain hit, I found myself in a sort of down/off mood for a few hours while driving after visiting out of town-it stood out as it seemed more difficult than usual to get out of. Was also the day I noticed a slight ache in that area of the mouth. This is in contrast to the lighter mood I felt a few days prior when practicing EE.

 

[Gaby]

Apologies if it was mentioned before, but I learned today from someone who has never had a cavity in his whole life that he has never used toothpaste, just a "miswak". I thought it was pretty interesting, so here is more info:

Traditional miswak sticks. Softened bristles on either end can be used to clean the teeth.

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miswak

The miswak (miswaak, siwak, sewak, Arabic: سواك‎‎ or مسواك) is a teeth cleaning twig made from the Salvadora persica tree (known as arak in Arabic). A traditional and natural alternative to the modern toothbrush, it has a long, well-documented history and is reputed for its medicinal benefits.[1] It is reputed to have been used over 7000 years ago.[2] The miswak's properties have been described thus: "Apart from their antibacterial activity which may help control the formation and activity of dental plaque, they can be used effectively as a natural toothbrush for teeth cleaning. Such sticks are effective, inexpensive, common, available, and contain many medical properties".[3] It also features prominently in Islamic hygienical jurisprudence.

The miswak is predominant in Muslim-inhabited areas. It is commonly used in the Arabian peninsula, the Horn of Africa, North Africa, parts of the Sahel, the Indian subcontinent, Central Asia and Southeast Asia. In Malaysia, miswak is known as Kayu Sugi (Malay for 'chewing stick').

[...]

Miswak: A periodontist's perspective
_https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3545237/

Parveen Dahiya, Reet Kamal,1 R.P. Luthra,2 Rahul Mishra, and Gaurav Saini3

Abstract

Meticulous plaque control on a daily routine basis is the single most important step to achieve good oral health. Herbal chewing sticks, commonly known as Miswak, are among the ancient and traditional oral hygiene aids popular in India, Pakistan, most of the Arabian countries, and several African countries. But nowadays, because of low cost, free availability, unique chemical composition, and spiritual beliefs, miswak is being used worldwide. A large number of studies have proved that miswak is as effective as, or even superior to the present day′s most common oral hygiene aid, i.e., toothbrush. The aim of this review article is to discuss various pharmacological and therapeutic aspects of miswak and also to compare the effectiveness of miswak with modern toothbrushes in terms of oral hygiene practice.

More info at _https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3545237/