Dental Health

Gaby said:
Apologies if it was mentioned before, but I learned today from someone who has never had a cavity in his whole life that he has never used toothpaste, just a "miswak". I thought it was pretty interesting, so here is more info:
This reminds me of how we cleaned our teeth before commercial tooth pastes became affordable.

- dried Neem tree sticks tribals sells. We remove little hard bark on one end.crush the softer insides with teeth to the point of soft brush and use that one to clean the teeth

_http://www.humanheed.com/articles/health-information/natural-toothbrush-neem-twigs-brushing-gleam-teeth-strong-gums/

- using crushed coal as a tooth powder or even crushed salt

Well, we never realized that those are the healthiest one's when compared to commercial tooth pastes( with flouride) at that time.
 
I've also had this kind of infection, with pain radiating into the jaw. Twice I've had it, including just a couple of months ago. I fixed it both times by swishing colloidal silver (American Biotech Labs ASAP Solution) for fifteen minutes at a time, a few times per day, and after two or three days the pain calmed down and went away.
 
Hi there,

I hope I came to right place as I am looking for some alternatives to work against a periodontitis that my dentist so happily diagnosed.

wikipedia said:
Periodontitis, also known as gum disease and pyorrhea, is a set of inflammatory diseases affecting the tissues surrounding the teeth. Periodontitis involves progressive loss of the alveolar bone around the teeth, and if left untreated, can lead to the loosening and subsequent loss of teeth.

Periodontitis is caused by microorganisms that adhere to and grow on the tooth's surfaces, along with an over-aggressive immune response against these microorganisms.

Somehow she thought that I am not a smoker and started telling me that all smokers suffer from a higher risk of periodontitis, and as I am not a smoker it must be genetically caused in my case.

I did not correct her in her assumption. I am a regular if normally not a strong smoker and I wanted other solutions offered than the suggestion to stop smoking. She told me to stop by regularly (nice try) and to stick to sa trict dental hygiene routine (which I already do as a former victim of braces).

Now, what I was wondering, does anyone out there has experiences as what might help? I am not too thrilled by the perspective of maybe losing healthy teeth due to a loss of attachment. It reminds of regular nightmares I used to have about loosing teeth.

I thought that one solution might be to reintegrate oil pulling with coconut oil as for its anti-bacterial effect.

Any thoughts? Thank you.
 
Hi maiko,

I also have periodontitis and I have found that coconut oil pulling does indeed help, along with red light therapy (I'm using a handheld device that I apply to my jaw/mouth) and rinsing my mouth with colloidal silver and 1-2 drops of iodine after brushing my teeth. It seems to slow down the progression of periodontitis and help with extreme teeth sensitivity as well. Clove essential oil might help too - as it has powerful antibacterial properties.
 
Hi maiko,

In addition to Adaryn's advice, (though I don't have periodontitis) my experience with this mouthwash has been pretty good so far. (It may not work for everyone, reading some of the reviews) It's pretty strong especially the first time using it, but seems to work well. But if you decide to do oil pulling, a mouthwash isn't needed I think. I've done oil pulling in the past, that really makes a difference too. I also think coconut oil should work. I used this product when I did oil pulling in the past, it was a bit pricey, but did go for a long time.

I notice teeth sensitivity goes up when my carb intake is high, the way I take it down is lower my carb intake and drink water with vitamin C. I remember reading that it helps strengthening your gums. When my dental hygienist 'poked' my gums to check whether they're healthy/strong, she mentioned that they're very good (my gums didn't bleed when she 'poked' them), and I think it's because of the vitamin C. Bone broth can also help.

Just found this, could be interesting:

Periodontitis Is Associated with a Low Concentration of Vitamin C in Plasma

In conclusion, P. gingivalis infection is associated with low concentrations of vitamin C in plasma, which may increase colonization of P. gingivalis or disturb the healing of the infected periodontium. [...]

Even though low vitamin C intake does not cause periodontitis, it is known that additional vitamin C is required during infectious diseases and tissue regeneration (17, 37). Avitaminosis-C is associated primarily with defective collagen synthesis, causing tissue dysfunction such as impaired wound healing and ruptured capillaries because of insufficient support of the capillary walls by the connective tissues (9). Regeneration of collagen to maintain the integrity of the tooth attachment elements is especially important for periodontal health. Since vitamin C is involved in the synthesis of intercellular substances such as collagen fibers found in various forms of connective tissues and the matrix of bone and teeth (15), and since vitamin C has immunomodulating functions influencing the susceptibility of a host to infectious diseases (4, 10), it is rational to hypothesize that a low vitamin C concentration in serum is a risk factor for periodontal diseases (30). [...]

Since the major function of ascorbic acid is its involvement in the synthesis of collagen fibers (20), a very low vitamin C status may prevent the regeneration of periodontal tissues. However, the attachment ligaments or alveolar bone lost due to the inflammation response will not be revived.
 
Thank you both so much. I will definetely give it try. I guess there is no way around changing my routine in the morning. But dental health is so important.
I will also have a look into the vitamin c and as winter comes I am already planing my days on bone broth. Since going paleo six years ago and drastically reducing my carb intake three years ago I never had any problems with teeth sensitivity or bleeding gums. That's why I was a bit shocked to notice my gums retracting in parts.

I will let you know about the outcome.
 
maiko said:
Thank you both so much. I will definetely give it try. I guess there is no way around changing my routine in the morning. But dental health is so important.
I will also have a look into the vitamin c and as winter comes I am already planing my days on bone broth. Since going paleo six years ago and drastically reducing my carb intake three years ago I never had any problems with teeth sensitivity or bleeding gums. That's why I was a bit shocked to notice my gums retracting in parts.

I will let you know about the outcome.

Hi maiko, as mentioned already, vitamin C is a useful tool for periodontitis.

CoQ10 is also implicated, and cases have displayed significantly decreased levels of this nutrient. As a crucial intermediate in energy production and as a potent antioxidant, it can help to heal the gum lining.

Role of coenzyme Q10 as an antioxidant and bioenergizer in periodontal diseases

The specific activity of succinic dehydrogenase–coenzyme Q10 reductase in gingival tissues from patients with periodontal disease against normal periodontal tissues has been evaluated using biopsies, which showed a deficiency of CoQ10 in patients with periodontal disease. On exogenous CoQ10 administration, an increase in the specific activity of this mitochondrial enzyme was found in deficient patients.[15–18] The periodontal score was also decreased concluding that CoQ10 should be considered as an adjunct for the treatment of periodontitis in current dental practice.[19]

Not only succinate dehydrogenase CoQ10 reductase, but also succinate cytochrome c reductase and NADH cytochrome c reductase showed decreased specific activity in periodontitis patients.[20] On exogenous administration of CoQ10 showed improved specific activity of these enzymes with significant reduction of motile rods and spirochetes.[21] The preliminary data indicated that CoQ10 may reduce gingival inflammation without affecting GCF total antioxidant levels,[22] whereas one more study showed significant reduction in TBRAS in GCF in patients treated with scaling and root planning with CoQ10.[23]

200-300mg daily is where I would start personally.

Also, dysbiosis of the mouth is a common factor in periodontitis from what I understand. Looking to investigate GI dysbiosis (whether it be stomach infection, SIBO, or colonic dysbiosis/infection) should help to give you some perspective on the initial cause of the gum disease.
 
Thank you Keyhole for your suggestions.
I had a look into the CoQ10 and it does sound promising. And I will try a to take mores holistic approach to get to the root of this.
 
Gaby said:
Apologies if it was mentioned before, but I learned today from someone who has never had a cavity in his whole life that he has never used toothpaste, just a "miswak". I thought it was pretty interesting, so here is more info:

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Traditional miswak sticks. Softened bristles on either end can be used to clean the teeth.

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_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miswak
The miswak (miswaak, siwak, sewak, Arabic: سواك‎‎ or مسواك) is a teeth cleaning twig made from the Salvadora persica tree (known as arak in Arabic). A traditional and natural alternative to the modern toothbrush, it has a long, well-documented history and is reputed for its medicinal benefits.[1] It is reputed to have been used over 7000 years ago.[2] The miswak's properties have been described thus: "Apart from their antibacterial activity which may help control the formation and activity of dental plaque, they can be used effectively as a natural toothbrush for teeth cleaning. Such sticks are effective, inexpensive, common, available, and contain many medical properties".[3] It also features prominently in Islamic hygienical jurisprudence.

The miswak is predominant in Muslim-inhabited areas. It is commonly used in the Arabian peninsula, the Horn of Africa, North Africa, parts of the Sahel, the Indian subcontinent, Central Asia and Southeast Asia. In Malaysia, miswak is known as Kayu Sugi (Malay for 'chewing stick').

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Miswak: A periodontist's perspective
_https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3545237/

Parveen Dahiya, Reet Kamal,1 R.P. Luthra,2 Rahul Mishra, and Gaurav Saini3

Abstract

Meticulous plaque control on a daily routine basis is the single most important step to achieve good oral health. Herbal chewing sticks, commonly known as Miswak, are among the ancient and traditional oral hygiene aids popular in India, Pakistan, most of the Arabian countries, and several African countries. But nowadays, because of low cost, free availability, unique chemical composition, and spiritual beliefs, miswak is being used worldwide. A large number of studies have proved that miswak is as effective as, or even superior to the present day′s most common oral hygiene aid, i.e., toothbrush. The aim of this review article is to discuss various pharmacological and therapeutic aspects of miswak and also to compare the effectiveness of miswak with modern toothbrushes in terms of oral hygiene practice.

More info at _https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3545237/

FWIW, I personnaly use this toothpaste since I found it in my local organic shop and tried it several years ago, and have not seen my dentist since then. I don't know if that can help those with specific tooth problem, but maybe it would worst it to give it a try. I can only testify that I tend to have sensitive tooth very fast whenever I use a "normal" toothpaste, but that disappears directly with just one brush with this one :
_https://www.amazon.fr/gp/offer-listing/B001IO3CNE/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1508618060&sr=8-1&keywords=dentifrice+meswak&condition=new
 
Thank you for sharing the tooth paste. That sounds good. I tried the Miswaks a couple of years ago after I read so many good things about them. But I don't know what it is - the feeling of wood against my teeth makes me nearly throwing up. I know it sounds crazy. I could never enjoy eating with a wooden spoon. But having some of the Miswak benefits from a toothpaste might work for me.
 
I went to the dentist recently and she said that my bruxism is getting worse and an area of my teeth is starting to wear. It's been a few sessions since she has recommended a night guard, but I only looked them up and never bought one. My only concern would be to get one with the least amount of toxic plastic: no BPA, BPS, phthalates, xenoestrogens, etc.

One night a few weeks ago I noticed my jaw really hurt after waking and it seemed like my back molar was a bit worn. And I have some TMJ pain that I think is related to bruxism. One night I tried 240mg of Valerian Root and fluffed my pillow for more support. That helped and I woke up without my jaw clenched. I think I need a stiffer pillow. I've also bought a TENS unit, but haven't used it yet. And I put 3 drops of lavender oil in 1 TBSP of Jojoba oil and rubbed it on my jaw and temples. That seemed to help but you get an oily face.

Interesting that Neuro Feedback is said to help bruxism. I've yet to do any sessions, but I've read Healing Developmental Trauma. I have some bookmarks for various nightguards, but I haven't chosen one. I suppose if I cannot decide, then a basic "boil and bite" type will do for the meanwhile. Not sure what the custom ones my dentist can make would be made of. But has anyone had experience with finding a least toxic nightguard? Thanks for reading.
 
I went to the dentist recently and she said that my bruxism is getting worse and an area of my teeth is starting to wear. It's been a few sessions since she has recommended a night guard, but I only looked them up and never bought one. My only concern would be to get one with the least amount of toxic plastic: no BPA, BPS, phthalates, xenoestrogens, etc.

One night a few weeks ago I noticed my jaw really hurt after waking and it seemed like my back molar was a bit worn. And I have some TMJ pain that I think is related to bruxism. One night I tried 240mg of Valerian Root and fluffed my pillow for more support. That helped and I woke up without my jaw clenched. I think I need a stiffer pillow. I've also bought a TENS unit, but haven't used it yet. And I put 3 drops of lavender oil in 1 TBSP of Jojoba oil and rubbed it on my jaw and temples. That seemed to help but you get an oily face.

Interesting that Neuro Feedback is said to help bruxism. I've yet to do any sessions, but I've read Healing Developmental Trauma. I have some bookmarks for various nightguards, but I haven't chosen one. I suppose if I cannot decide, then a basic "boil and bite" type will do for the meanwhile. Not sure what the custom ones my dentist can make would be made of. But has anyone had experience with finding a least toxic nightguard? Thanks for reading.


3DStudent, regarding your bruxism, you might find this information useful. My husband had the same problem a few months ago , and my father-in law told him that the remedy to bruxism was to tie "horse tail hair" around his wrist !! In the past , this technique was common in our culture , especially when kids had this problem.

Anyway, my husband was desperate enough to try it , and surprisingly it did work !! The teeth grinding stopped. However, he later found out that he had a major tooth decay under an old filling.

I don't know much about bruxism, but perhaps it's the body's response to an underlying problem or deficiency that needs to be resolved.
Nevertheless, the horse tail band did seem to help. So perhaps you might want to give it a try , at least its natural and not expensive as a nightguard !!
 
I came across a video on Youtube which talks about how the position of the tongue and how we breathe can affect the development of the structure of the face, resulting in a recessed jaw/overbite, and how this effects the health of one's teeth , and how the muscles involved never stop developing, even into adulthood (up to 72 years old). One of the reasons i found it interesting is because it does take into account Dr Weston A. Price's data on how diet has a dramatic influence and is reflected in the health of people's teeth, but brings in the way we eat and breathe as an additional factor.

I've been meaning to post this for a while and I was prompted by a tweet i came across this morning that relates:


The video is called Attractive Face or Not? It depends on Tongue Posture and it kept appearing my suggested videos so i finally decided to check it out. It's 15 minutes long but a short summary would be:

- Allergies in a boy with a good facial structure resulted in him breathing through his mouth and this led to a recessed jaw.
- Twin brothers who had different dental treatments resulted in different face shape.
One was treated with traditional orthodontics, the other with a orthotropics. Orthotropics aims to train the muscles in the face and around the jaw to come forward.
- He shows examples of faces where Orthotropics has been applied successfully by one of the founders Dr Mew
- Certain sutures don't fuse till 72 years old. Maxilla-facial development is key
- lack of muscle tone/muscle disease morphs facial bones
- One simple way to increase and train muscle tone is to rest the tongue at the roof of the mouth, lips sealed for 4-8 hours a day.

- The examples he shows are of those who used dental structures added to their mouth and those who've achieved results soley from the tongue executrices are hard to find. He shows 3 examples but concedes adulthood could have been the cause for the change in these examples faces.
- Resting the tongue at the roof of the mouth should help with achieving a strong dental arch, helping create space and resulting in straight teeth
- If crooked teeth/cavities (caries) isn't genetic, what is the cause? Malocclusion and cavities aren't frequent in pre-industrial peoples teeth
- 2/3 of the US population suffers malocclusion (misalignment) of the teeth, only 5% have a known cause
- Dr Price shows girl from isolated valleys of Switzerland, then modern; Inuit Alaskans before Western diets then following; and again with Native Americans, Samoans, Congo, Aborigine's, Andean Indians - all show a deterioration following introduction of modern diets
- Paleoanthropologist Daniel E. Lieberman reports in his book Evolution of the Human Head reports "Jaws and faces do not grow to the same size that they once used to"
- Faces aren't as broad as they once were, with broad dental arches
- Price highlights fat soluble vitamins were essential - this is true but he's going to focus on how we eat
- Agriculture and cooking vessels made soft mushy food which required little chewing, this affected cranio-facial development
- Tough fibrous plant foods, tough meat and sinew helped develop jaw muscles
- Skulls found with good teeth, no crowding, are also often found with extensive wear; this is true of hunter-gatherers when compared to farmers
- soft foods early in life and how they affect swallowing patterns
- When you swallow something that isn't mushy you use your tongue to help push it down which exerts pressure whereas mushy food doesn't do this
- The frequent force exerted by swallowing and resting tongue posture effects the shape of the dental arch, preventing the pressure of the cheeks pushing them in
- Dr Eagle Harvald did an experiment on Rhesus monkeys where he blocked them breathing naturally through their nose so they had to breath through their mouths and the deterioration in their jaw structure and dental health was profound


So to summarize/TL;DR, according to this video, mastication/chewing, not eating mushy foods, resting your tongue at the roof of your mouth for 4-8 hours a day (until it becomes natural, i guess), and breathing through your nose with your mouth closed can help with facial muscles resulting in better dental health.


As an aside, it reminded me of something i'd read about children with autism/adhd tend to breathe through their mouths:

https://drmaryanne.com/what-does-mouth-breathing-have-to-do-with-adhd-and-why-does-my-child-snore/ said:
What Does Mouth Breathing Have to Do With ADHD and Why Does My Child Snore?

Aug 14, 2013 | From Dr Mary Anne



sleep-faqs
Does your child breath through his mouth more than his nose? It may seem like a harmless habit, but mouth breathing, snoring and sleep apnea (abnormal long pauses in breathing during sleep) can have a huge impact on health and attention.
Simply getting enough sleep can dramatically improve a child’s behavior and focus. But breathing through the mouth while sleeping allows the tongue to drop down from the roof of the mouth where it normally rests, to slide back into the throat and block the airway. This can cause snoring and sleep apnea which has been linked to behavioral issues, ADHD, cognitive development issues. Large tonsils are another cause of sleep apnea. Allergies can cause enlarged adenoids and tonsils, making it difficult to breath through the nose. The body prefers filtered, warmed, humidified air from the nose. Mouth breathing can increase congestion.
Prolonged mouth breathing actually tends to narrow the face, with narrows the sinuses, further increasing congestion and sinus issues.
And mouth breathing leads to restless sleep. Kids who have been diagnosed with ADHD may be acting out to stay awake! Mouth breathing is most common between 2 and 6 years of age, but can start as early as the first year of life. 1 in 10 children snore regularly.

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This video of Dr Mew, apparently one of the pioneers of treatments that use the above information, is on Ancestry foundation's youtube channel, i haven't watched it yet, but for anybody who may want to look into this further:
 
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Apologies if it was mentioned before, but I learned today from someone who has never had a cavity in his whole life that he has never used toothpaste, just a "miswak". I thought it was pretty interesting, so here is more info:

300px-Miswak003.jpg

Traditional miswak sticks. Softened bristles on either end can be used to clean the teeth.

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I have used a toothpaste called Sarakan for a couple of years now, probably around 4. It has a Salvadora Persica extract in it, the same as those miswak sticks. It is the best toothpaste I've ever used. It cleans my teeth beautifully, leaving them feeling clean and smooth. I'm always unhappy when it's out of stock becuase no other toothpaste leaves my teeth so fresh and clean. At this point my entire family use Sarakan.

I stopped using fluoride toothpaste around 6 years ago and prior to that every dental check up resulted in cavities being discovered. I was always told my teeth were simply weak and I didn't brush them often enough. Rubbish, I brushed my teeth almost obsessively around 5 times a day. Yet once I switched to non-fluoride toothpaste I haven't had even one cavity - and I do eat carbs. My last dental check up was in December 2018. Still nothing. 😀🙌
 
I have used a toothpaste called Sarakan for a couple of years now, probably around 4. It has a Salvadora Persica extract in it, the same as those miswak sticks. It is the best toothpaste I've ever used. It cleans my teeth beautifully, leaving them feeling clean and smooth. I'm always unhappy when it's out of stock becuase no other toothpaste leaves my teeth so fresh and clean. At this point my entire family use Sarakan.

I stopped using fluoride toothpaste around 6 years ago and prior to that every dental check up resulted in cavities being discovered. I was always told my teeth were simply weak and I didn't brush them often enough. Rubbish, I brushed my teeth almost obsessively around 5 times a day. Yet once I switched to non-fluoride toothpaste I haven't had even one cavity - and I do eat carbs. My last dental check up was in December 2018. Still nothing. 😀🙌
It seems very interesting!
I tried to see its ingredients but on the net, only active ingredients are mentionned: Salvadora Persica extract, essential oils (geranium, clove, mint): perfect!
I didn't find the other ingredient, ie the non-actives: what is used for the base (for the paste itself)? Is it indicated on your product?
 
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