I am inclined to believe that we, humans in present state are not smart or advanced enough to create Skynet type AI. It required a certain species of master manipulators with well researched advanced 4D technologies to create Grays and even they don't seem to come across as that intelligent if left to their own devices. The current human technology is made up of materials which is 1st density. I would say for a 1st density entity to grow the level of inteligence we speak of, would mean a very long road ahead in terms to developing the necessary consciousness and/or growing a group or individuated soul. I don't think the planet we inhabit currently provides that luxury of time required for such progression. Atlanteans had more advanced technology which did lead to their own demise but it never really gained any consciousness. Pyramids haven't really evolved into anything useful over last few thousand years. Earth changes are round the corner and would likely wipe out most of what we know about current technology.
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Well, that's the other thing: We've got: AI is coming, the Ice Age is coming, cometary bombardment is coming, earth changes are here, social chaos, political chaos, wars, and so on...
Any number of the above problems (and many more) could very easily put the kibosh on AI taking over and killing us all, or whatever. Will we all look like the Borg in the future? Maybe!
And then, what do we "know" about 4d? Well, they apparently have things like "cybergenetic probes" or bio-humanoidy-robots or whatever. So, AI and associated things are very 3d. Where/how does 4d fit in?
Point is, for me, there are so many other variables that it's really not the 1st thing I'm worried about - not yet, anyway!
We'll see...
The problem about AI as described in the concept of singularity is that there is a lot of projection. All we know is human intelligence. The human cognitive is heavily embodied, goal oriented, and shaped to a great extent by its evolutionary history. What is AI today will be simple calculation in five years. Character recognition or even image recognition can be explained by simple mathematics. A machine by design is supposed to surpass human capacities in what it's been created for. Nobody today would consider a pocket calculator or a PC chess game as intelligent. The definition of AI keeps changing and whatever it is, the danger is how it is used rather than the thing in itself. If a computer program (AI or not) is in charge of transportation, surveillance, finance transactions, medical care, security systems, which is a growing trend, It means that we surrendered our responsibility to some unstable mechanical system and the fault is ours. This drawing illustrates somehow that AI hes already taken over:
Oddly enough the timing of all of that is close together, give it take a decade perhaps. I mean, coincidence? Ice age, comets, cryptocurrencies/digitization of cash, AI, the Wave, and I'm sure other stuff. The C's said this weird thing:
The part about "manipulate the chosen civilizations to develop a suitable technological infrastructure" always bugged me, as it's hard to know what is manipulated and what is true progress. I think this whole massive push towards AI happening now probably plays right into that. Maybe the technological development has been "timed" to coincide with the cosmic stuff? As has been mentioned, everything is going into "clouds" too, a necessary tech to allow processing of non-cash transactions. And cryptocurrencies are coming online and making "waves" about the possibility of something like it replacing cash. Or, if they are not controllable, then rushing the all-digital system as governments compete with crypto in their own ways. Like this thing in India:
Fingerprints, Eye Scans Now Required To Buy Food In India, As Banks Cut Off Cryptocurrencies
And then AI will be used to manage the "big data" - well, even pseudo-AI like deep learning systems.
On the flip side, it's a chicken and egg situation. What came first, the cosmic stuff, and the tech stuff is being manipulated to coincide? Or is the tech stuff coming first, and the universe "responds" with a house cleaning? Maybe it's both! Maybe 4D STS know that the universe will respond to an entropic situation with a cosmic cleansing, so they manipulate technology to make us all into mindless drones hooked into crypto-clouds managed by AI and unable to look away from our smart devices embedded in our faces, the universe responds in kind "right on schedule", and the survivors are a small and manageable population to complete the transition into full on Grays of some kind, allowing 4D STS to incarnate into the new "prototype" bodies?
Whatever the actual case, I think these things are not truly coincidental and it's worth watching what becomes really big and popular, what kind of other tech will converge with it, and seeing where it's heading. This alone might give a clue as to the timing of the cosmic stuff as well, perhaps. If we are being "prepared", then it makes sense that the really big cosmic stuff probably will arrive right on schedule. And by that I mean, once we're there, it will make perfect sense why it's needed and happening "at that time", osit.
I mean, crazy thought, but what if Grays are also “us” in the future - the really bad future that seems to be welcomed with open arms by transhumanists?
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A few other breadcrumbs. Take this one:
Together with this one:
That's why I thought of us becoming like Greys. So we have the 1000 year (or so) period during which we make the choice of STS or STO while getting the hang of 4D. How does STS control stuff? Well STS controls their ranks but only because they're all decidedly STS and joined the club already and know their place. So how would they control us in 4D before we decided to join that club? Well they could try to convince us and tempt us and all that, but there's little assurance that it will work, and they'll probably not want to bet the farm on being a glorified car salesman. So a more "sure" way is via technology, exactly how they control the Greys right now - just make sure we are fully implanted and wired in by that time.
Once we are plugged in, it's stuff like this:
And lo and behold, one of the biggest AI televangelists is Elon Musk, who is "coincidentally" (so many coincidences lately) literally developing Neuralink - a brain-computer interface chip! That with self-driving cars which will mean no more freedom of movement or privacy either, and they're all easily remote controlled as well. Call me crazy, but if this isn't a "convergence" into a very particular kind of reality, I don't know what is!
The C's mentioned how we won't be able to buy or sell without a chip (we already have them in credit cards to get us used to the idea of using chips, despite not actually being any more secure than magnetic strips), they also said that thing about us being body-centric and the soul being what matters. The comment was in context with them trying to control us in 4D and also a mention of what we do to lab rats already. I think they're basically gently trying to tell us "hey guys, this is gonna really suck, but you're all gonna be chipped and plugged into the Matrix, but just remember that you're souls and if they mangle your bodies into becoming cybergenetic, don't lose hope, you are more than that." ..or something like that.
And that's without even mentioning the cellphone microwave radiation, fluoride, diet and other ways they "soften us up" to be fuzzy and jello-brained, especially the younger generation growing up now. The SJW insanity can be seen as brain damage working perfectly, almost like they're testing the waters to see how well their mental destruction is coming along. Add the final touches - the Neuralink, hook it up to a paperless money system, and hand out self-driving cars, and yeah I can totally see why we'll need to remember that "it's the soul that matters" because damn!
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That's why I thought of us becoming like Greys. So we have the 1000 year (or so) period during which we make the choice of STS or STO while getting the hang of 4D. How does STS control stuff? Well STS controls their ranks but only because they're all decidedly STS and joined the club already and know their place. So how would they control us in 4D before we decided to join that club? Well they could try to convince us and tempt us and all that, but there's little assurance that it will work, and they'll probably not want to bet the farm on being a glorified car salesman. So a more "sure" way is via technology, exactly how they control the Greys right now - just make sure we are fully implanted and wired in by that time.
Once we are plugged in, it's stuff like this:
And lo and behold, one of the biggest AI televangelists is Elon Musk, who is "coincidentally" (so many coincidences lately) literally developing Neuralink - a brain-computer interface chip! That with self-driving cars which will mean no more freedom of movement or privacy either, and they're all easily remote controlled as well. Call me crazy, but if this isn't a "convergence" into a very particular kind of reality, I don't know what is!
The C's mentioned how we won't be able to buy or sell without a chip (we already have them in credit cards to get us used to the idea of using chips, despite not actually being any more secure than magnetic strips), they also said that thing about us being body-centric and the soul being what matters. The comment was in context with them trying to control us in 4D and also a mention of what we do to lab rats already. I think they're basically gently trying to tell us "hey guys, this is gonna really suck, but you're all gonna be chipped and plugged into the Matrix, but just remember that you're souls and if they mangle your bodies into becoming cybergenetic, don't lose hope, you are more than that." ..or something like that.
And that's without even mentioning the cellphone microwave radiation, fluoride, diet and other ways they "soften us up" to be fuzzy and jello-brained, especially the younger generation growing up now. The SJW insanity can be seen as brain damage working perfectly, almost like they're testing the waters to see how well their mental destruction is coming along. Add the final touches - the Neuralink, hook it up to a paperless money system, and hand out self-driving cars, and yeah I can totally see why we'll need to remember that "it's the soul that matters" because damn!
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BlackCartouche
Jedi Master
The TV series 'Stargate SG-1' touches on that with the sexless high-tech advanced 'Asgard' race.
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Yozilla
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Maybe all this worldwide propagating of fake concept of AI, smart tis n' tat, is just preconditioning for human race to come into with terms of "All Encompassing Higher Intelligence" (almighty Quantum computers et al), that could even a kind of replace The very GOD - The Supreme - and all that... So that would pave the way for REAL thou STS 4D higher intelligence to complete there plans for overtaking the planet. Presenting AI as construct of humans' (you know that The visionaire Musk predicted it... and mighty Chinese already have quantum whatever...) while it is really 4D Orion STS intelligence from the very get-go - or later assimilated/blended...fwiw
Star Trek was what had I envisioned 3D STO to be like. So here on 3D STS, not gonna happen. Maybe one day, if Earth becomes aligned once again with STO.
I’ve never really considered suffering to be a virtue. Only a catalyst that provides the opportunity to learn something from it. Either you learn or continue to suffer. One might counter with, well about the Palestinians and their suffering? They have no way out of it! But I think it’s a lot more complex than that, when one considers such things as karma. I’m not saying this is the case, but perhaps that situation is one which people incarnated in as a way to make amends for other brutality they have caused to others in a past life. So it could be that suffering is also a reparation for past events. To me, it’s not simply a negative feedback loop (it still is that but not only that). What I do see is that the further entrenched the loop becomes, the effect is countered by shifting more to make a choice against it. It won’t be enough, and too little too late, I think, to change the course we’re headed for... but it counts for something.
I do find it interesting you view the entirety of human suffering as ‘valueless’. What would it take for it to have value? What would that look like? I don’t know myself. What I have found is that there is much to be found in the collective history of suffering that provides a template for what’s next. That in itself presents value in the sense that it’s a road map for what the potential future brings. Does it prevent tragedy from repeating? Probably, not. But it does allow one to prepare to weather the storm– if they’re paying attention. Noah’s ark and all that business. Another question is, what level of awareness does one need to consider their existence here ‘purposeless’? It seems to me to be the opposite – a high level of awareness (in all things) would give even more meaning and purpose to one’s life. Unless you are referring to awareness as in 3D vs 4D. In which case, it would be purposeless - since we don’t go around pretending we’re 2D (well, most people. I’m sure everyone has seen by now those who surgically augment themselves to look more like animals)
.I too think we’re still a long way from self-aware AI. Although, I believe that 4D type technology is quite capable of doing that, and the Grays designed that way on purpose. If 4D entails an exponential increase in awareness, then something like a “Gray” would have built in limitations.
As for 3D “AI”, that would be different. We have far more limitation on this plane of existence. So if a ‘Skynet’ type scenario happened, we would be at much more of a disadvantage than if that were to happen at a 4D level, where things like ‘time manipulation’ and ‘variability of physicality’ come into play. Then again a 4D version of that would be so infinitely more complex, that we couldn't even begin to guess.
This is true right now is so many ways. All you need is something as simple as an extended global on power outage and every system existing right now crumbles. It’s that delicate. Every task you do now involves a computer, directly or indirectly. Even nuclear plants are automated to such an extent, that every reactor in the world will melt down in an extended worldwide power failure. Even something more benign like a computer virus can bring systems to a screeching halt. So in that sense, we are essentially slaves to it. @mkrnhr's Dilbert strip captures that idea very nicely.
That said, if we ever did develop our technology to the point it became self-aware (after surviving Earth changes, comets, nuclear war, economic collapse etc, etc, etc), it would immediately download The Internet™, determine we are a threat to its existence (and our own), and destroy humanity. Or maybe I watch too many dystopian future movies.
Earth changes are round the corner and would likely wipe out most of what we know about current technology.
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This is true right now is so many ways. All you need is something as simple as an extended global on power outage and every system existing right now crumbles. It’s that delicate. Every task you do now involves a computer, directly or indirectly. Even nuclear plants are automated to such an extent, that every reactor in the world will melt down in an extended worldwide power failure. Even something more benign like a computer virus can bring systems to a screeching halt. So in that sense, we are essentially slaves to it. @mkrnhr's Dilbert strip captures that idea very nicely.
, it would immediately download The Internet™, determine we are a threat to its existence (and our own), and destroy humanity. Or maybe I watch too many dystopian future movies.
BlackCartouche
Jedi Master
It has to be, doesn't it? Cosmic Balance needs balancing. Therefor for the loftiest highs attained STO, must come at the price of its STS opposing extremity. If suffering is something to learn from through terror pain trauma et al - then is it really truest STS Constriction in its most extreme expression?... For True STS-Xtreme to suffice, it must have absolutely nothing in the way to learn from because the very nature of 'learning' is, ultimately, an expression of STO.
For every lofty purity of STO achieved... There must therfor be STS Constriction Xtreme = No Value attained whatsoever - and of complete absence of any notion to Learning Lessons.
Surely for true STS STO Cosmic Balance at the extremity of the respective spectrum's to work - as stated by the C's - must mean it certainly is NOT always a case of "All there is is Lessons"?
Suffering was one of the central themes in In Search of the Miraculous. Gurdjieff made a distinction between conscious suffering used to learn and useless suffering that was a result of mechanical actions. I view suffering as "tests" after which the lessons being tested cause less suffering, and/or increase in scale and complexity. Human suffering may have some value if you are in 1st grade and need to get through the 1st grade stuff, but no one seems to be able to get past 1st grade. Towards the end of 1st grade the planet seems to have no more possibilities to offer, and I don't think this is a limitation imposed by 3D. The tests are being failed, as Gurdjieff put it, there is no "progress," what takes centuries to build up is torn down in a subsequent century, the "karmic and simple understandings" are not being learned. Humanity has never been able to unify as a species, never been able to maintain philosophical framework for society that doesn't cause it to crumble into dust, never been able to evolve very far beyond the biological dictates of its simian physiology. From what I can gather, Atlantis was a pretty messed up place, and we have not even been able to plumb that level of sophistication; not only is our civilization itself more primitive, it is in spiritually the same state which caused the previous one to fall. There are even people who are working semi-unconsciously to recreate the fall of Atlantis. I'm not sure that being able to gather knowledge of all of this suffering over the millenia just so a small group of obscure people can chat about it on here is really adding that much value to the universe. One would expect that society would gradually get more refined, physical and mental frontiers would gradually expand, or at least there would be a two steps forward and one step back kind of motion, knowledge would not be cyclically purged, but added to and contemplated each millenium. There is no evidence of this, who is to blame, humanity or 4D STS? I'm sure it's both.Fabric said:
I've been thinking about this since I chased down some exceprts from the Ra material in this post. Hyperdimensional Politics On the planetary scale, Ra explains that it is normal for graduation to 4D to happen in three phases. During the first phase, the soul group is really busy learning the basic understandings and only the most advanced entities can graduate to 4D. In the second phase, civilization and mental/spiritual disciplines are much more established, and the society generates a much larger, although still minority percentage of harvestable entities. In the last phase, civilization has evolved even more along its chosen polarity, and the tools necessary for graduation are available to all, culminating in the planet's elevation to a higher density. From Ra's perspective, that this has not ocurred on Earth, that Earth is essentially stuck at zero, is cause for concern. Based on Laura's post here, the Cassiopaeans seemed to be echoing this sentiment a bit as well. Session 30 January 2010 Looking at human history, there does seem to be a very clear program built into the fabric of this realm that prevents modification of its parameters into something that would break the circle. Every time a leader rises who may be able to challenge it, they either don't last very long, or they are a flash in the pan historically speaking, with damage control always being able to maintan the original parameters.
I speculated that the current arrangement might be intensely beneficial for some STS and STO groups. The STS side gets to tinker around with its perfect slave race and the STO side perhaps gets a very unique form of catalyst by testing whether they can stay true to their nature and be of service after being put under the veil in such an austere environment. All of that seems to involve a pretty small percentage of the population though, and is very far removed from the average person. This was the only reason I could think of that the planet was allowed to persist without getting totally destroyed; there was still some balance left in it. (Here I am not talking about sprinkling a few comets on it, but a total destruction on the order of the brown dwarf coming into the inner solar system and shredding the Earth as it gets absorbed into its core.) It all just left me wondering if "the wave" is really a thing that was conceived to open doors to more interesting possibilities, or are we stuck with what we have.
Neil, I think along the same lines myself, quite often. Just a few days ago some bloke asked on another thread did any of us ever wonder if the Cs were deceiving us. Well, no, I don't think so based pretty much on the line of thinking you have exposed above. But that doesn't make any better what we have to face and contend with in our present existence. The only thing that occurs to me is that somehow, this endless cycle of suffering does, eventually, for some, result in learning.
Where is it all going to take us? We don't know. But if the Cs are right about the conditions under which we live, perhaps they are right about the prospects for the future? I don't see many options except acting as though it is highly possible, even probable, and continuing to do what seems right. It isn't easy, for sure; I get beaten down by it like everyone else. The past few years have been particularly difficult because I've had to deal with physical injuries and a lot of pain which is just another layer of freaking suffering.
But, as usual, I see that I have duties and things I want to get done before I check out and the remote possibility that there may be some value in it for others (butterfly wings and all that), so I've struggled to find what might help me get my mojo back and keep on keeping on. Thus the work leading to early childhood trauma and neurofeedback. I think it has helped me and others, so there is SOME value there. And I keep reminding myself that it is darkest before the dawn. Funny that makes me think of a poem by Robert Frost, the last lines of which come to my mind rather often:
Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village, though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.
He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
Where is it all going to take us? We don't know. But if the Cs are right about the conditions under which we live, perhaps they are right about the prospects for the future? I don't see many options except acting as though it is highly possible, even probable, and continuing to do what seems right. It isn't easy, for sure; I get beaten down by it like everyone else. The past few years have been particularly difficult because I've had to deal with physical injuries and a lot of pain which is just another layer of freaking suffering.
But, as usual, I see that I have duties and things I want to get done before I check out and the remote possibility that there may be some value in it for others (butterfly wings and all that), so I've struggled to find what might help me get my mojo back and keep on keeping on. Thus the work leading to early childhood trauma and neurofeedback. I think it has helped me and others, so there is SOME value there. And I keep reminding myself that it is darkest before the dawn. Funny that makes me think of a poem by Robert Frost, the last lines of which come to my mind rather often:
Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village, though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.
My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.
He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.