2008 Crop Circles

[anart]

Interesting, it makes it appear as if the pattern is coming up through the Earth, not 'put down into the crop' - might not be the case, but it's what the growth brings to mind - as if they're tatoos or birthmarks on the planet itself, not just in the crop. Any idea how long this effect lasts?

hi all,

I sat on top of a hill yesterday, where there was a view for miles around, and this view included the remains of 4 recent crop circles.
The crops had all been harvested, but what I noticed is that where each crop circle had been, the pattern remained in bright green - because grass (or some fresh plant life anyway) had sprouted up where the patterns were, even though the surrounding ground was now bare. As if plant life was actually somehow 'boosted' over the pattern area.

 

[vinny]

Any idea how long this effect lasts?

those patterns are all from this summer. And the area in question regularly had crop circles on previous years I think, and no traces remain. so perhaps once the fields are ploughed over ready for the next crop, that's it? But I'm only guessing. Maybe some reconnaissance is in order, later in the year ;)

 

[PepperFritz]

I recall reading somewhere that where fields are not plowed under until the spring, the ground under some crop circles shows new growth sooner than the rest of the field....

 

[Pierre]

I recall reading somewhere that where fields are not plowed under until the spring, the ground under some crop circles shows new growth sooner than the rest of the field....

Maybe some kind of energy is sent to the crop circle area during its formation and remains in the ground stimulating the growth of some ulterior sprouts ?

 

[rrraven]

and another one

=http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2649/ol1xh5.jpg sorry I didnt manage to get the picture to appear here its the oliver castle CC 2008
these "ghost images"can last quite a while ... I remember seeing previous season ghosts near some CC s , maybe the white dust that is found sometimes in fresh CCs acts as a kind of fertilizer/soil conditioner like the bio-dynamic preparations 500-510?

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also today fields are not necessarily plowed anymore ,farmers use a seed drill and spray herbicides after to suppress weeds(unwanted plant species) thats why there are tramlines
-http://www.claydondrill.com/
RRR

 

[PepperFritz]

and another one
=http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2649/ol1xh5.jpg
sorry I didnt manage to get the picture to appear here its the oliver castle CC 2008....

Here ya go:

 

[rrraven]

Thank you Pepperfritz
networking is great
RRR

 

[mamadrama]

Another CC reported on the 24th of September at Broad Hinton, Winterbourne Bassett Wiltshire

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

Recently I did some reading into the whole crop circle phenomenon. I've been very familiar with the research that has gone into the phenomenon for many years now, but for some reason I felt the need to look into it again. One thing that surprises me, despite the fact that I remember reading about it several years ago (but for some reason failed to look further into it) -- is the fact that two leading researchers into crop circles firmly believe that only about 20% of crop circles in Britain are genuine.

The two researchers I am talking about are Collin Andrews and Freddy Silva. The latter even claims that since 2003, the number of genuine crop circles occurring in Britain can be counted on the fingers of one hand! I admit I am surprised by this claim in light of the C's who stated that most crop formations were genuine, but then again I forget the precise date on which they said this. It is entirely possible that when the C's made that statement, MOST formations WERE genuine. Perhaps most of the more recent designs are fake.

Freddy Silva believes that what is happening now is that the genuine formations are now increasing in other countries such as Canada and the U.S., but are greatly diminishing in the U.K, due to the commercialisation and mockery being made of the real thing in the latter country. He believes that the circle makers made their "point", but since that point is being imitated and even ridiculed by commercial groups, that the circle makers do not want to continue in such a "hostile" environment.

Silva explains that the means by which people have constructed the incredibly complex circles in more recent times include advanced positioning equipment to map out the design, as well as making deals with farmers in more secluded fields so that several days/nights can be utilised to make the crop design perfect. Proof of this latter claim lies in those designs which took two (or more) nights to be completed. The famous "Mayan Circle" design near Silbury Hill in August 2004 -- a design I admit I thought impossible to be man-made -- actually appeared over two consecutive nights. I recently came across the two images online (but for the life of me can't find them now!) -- the first image shows the design only half finished. Other images show designs only half made which were otherwise really impressively complex.

Of course none of this proves that 80 percent of circles are fake. Indeed there are some people in the crop circle community who are now suggesting that well-known people like Silva and Colin Andrews have somehow been co-opted in some way (mind control?) to further mislead and confuse the phenomenon to the point where people give up on the whole thing. I tend to believe that while fake formations have definitely increased in recent years, most of them are still probably genuine.

 

[PepperFritz]

....two leading researchers into crop circles firmly believe that only about 20% of crop circles in Britain are genuine.two leading researchers into crop circles firmly believe that only about 20% of crop circles in Britain are genuine.....

On what do they base that belief? What evidence do they give for that conclusion?

 

[Color]

....two leading researchers into crop circles firmly believe that only about 20% of crop circles in Britain are genuine.two leading researchers into crop circles firmly believe that only about 20% of crop circles in Britain are genuine.....

On what do they base that belief? What evidence do they give for that conclusion?

Google it and found this explanation:
_http://www.colinandrews.net/CropCirclesAssessment.html

There are pages of it, intro goes:

[quote author=Colin Andrews]
In 2000, after two years of undercover research into the people believed making the circles in
England between 1999 and 2000, the evidence again was totally compelling that
approximately 80% were man made. I looked at all the data from start to finish again and saw
that there was one common denominator in all this and that was the highly mysterious events
being witnessed by researchers and the public alike, and even by the people making them.
So the question then became: "Why are they being made and to whose plan?" A big jump
from the original question and way beyond what the media could work out for themselves, nor
did they have the courage to head there. "It's much easier to discount the old mystery...."
"Even worse is that some know better but don't have the courage or honesty to come clean."

It might seem strange to be talking about an important phenomenon in the same breath as
showing evidence that many are man made. We are starting at the beginning, where any
detective has to and will finish up at a verdict when all the evidence has been gathered and
thought through.

One thing is for sure and should be stressed at this stage. There is no advantage for any of
us to create myths or new religions as we experience the realization that emotions are
impacted significantly by what we see in these fields and/or, what we would like to believe.
Emotion is I believe part of a much larger study and perhaps even key in understanding what
could be described as the biggest social experiment in our time and just when we needed
the lesson.[/quote]

 

[Color]

Of course none of this proves that 80 percent of circles are fake. Indeed there are some people in the crop circle community who are now suggesting that well-known people like Silva and Colin Andrews have somehow been co-opted in some way (mind control?) to further mislead and confuse the phenomenon to the point where people give up on the whole thing.

Well, Colin Andrews announce on his page, in the section '2008 Crop Circles':

For the first time in 25 years, I am not in the fields researching the crop circles,...

which may be cause he's spending all of his time now explaining to people how fake the whole phenomena must be

On the other hand, he's using 2008. cc images from Lucy Pringle's site, and she put a 'bitter' article there,
about The National Geographic show`I Didn't Know That`, for which she was interviewed for:

_http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/news/natgeog.shtml

What has happened to the National Geographical?
7th November 2007

In the spring of 2007 I was approached by North One Television to appear in a programme they were producing on behalf of the National Geographic called `I Didn't Know That`. One of the subjects to be investigated was crop circles. I made careful enquiries as to the content of this programme and their approach to this subject. I was told they were interested in the scientific aspect and the work I had conducted in this area.

I also asked if I was going to be the only person interviewed and was told that I was the only person. As I have grown increasingly sceptical about the motives behind so called `scientifically` based programmes` I felt it was necessary to obtain this assurance.

The interview was conducted in theYatesbury barley formation, nr Avebury Trusloe. Not long after I questioned North One Television about a crop formation that had appeared in an obscure corner of a field near Yatesbury. They admitted that they had commissioned this circle to be made.

Clearly I was not the only person to be interviewed.

Worse still was to come when I was sent the CD of the programme. National Geographical CD, © NGC Network LLC. Produced by North One Television Midlands. (After it had been released and shown to the public).

In the Introduction we are told that this programme is going to reveal surprising facts that are guaranteed to make you say `I didn't know that .` We are then introduced to two industrial scientists Richard Ambrose and Johnny Phillips `who don't mind getting their hands dirty when it comes to establishing the facts`.

There were three trailers during the programme; the first one says `strange goings on the night. What really creates crop circles? And then proceeds to show men in the field making the commissioned man made formation.

The second trailer titled `Still to come` asks `Are aliens the designers of these amazing crop circles?` shows two stills of the 22 June 2006 Lurkley Hill, Nr Lockeridge and the 23 June 2006 Windmill Hill circle. It also shows men in dark clothes lurking in the darkness in a field and hedgerow thus giving the unmistakable impression of human involvement.

The third trailer shows us Richard Ambrose putting forward several theories, some fairly ridiculous as to the origin of crop circles. Following this I come on and speak for 42 seconds. Using clever photography it then shows me distorted and looking an idiot.

No mention was made of my research.

Next we see John Lundberg, Will Russell and Robert Irving assembling in the field of wheat with their planks and a 100 metre surveyors measuring tape; the tools they need to construct the circle.

To add insult to injury, presenter Richard Ambrose then joins the trio and proceeds to take part in stomping down the wheat. All this takes approx: 2 and a half minutes of viewing time.

When I queried why one the trailers had shown the commissioned circle being made I was told `That is what the public wants to see`.

I would suggest that the general public wants to hear the truth and that the announcement at the beginning of the film that they were going to `establish the facts` was just as dishonourable and dishonest as the producers had been to me. We all know that man made formations do exist, but why do programme producers run scared of revealing the scientific facts and figures that show beyond all doubt that a real phenomenon exists. Of what are they frightened or what is their hidden agenda for concealing this information?

I believe I was misled into appearing in a programme that not only was heavily weighted in favour of the man made element but was also disinterested in presenting the public with any scientific research results.

There was a time when the programmes produced by or for the National Geographic were programmes of scientific integrity and fact. They were a scion of truth. Sadly this is no longer the case, they are as bad as the worst tabloids pandering to what they consider the public wants to see and hear. They are no longer to be trusted with the truth.

She had a wake up call, that's for sure... Maybe she'll dwell a bit more into that 'trusted with the truth' issue now ;)

 

[Pierre]

The two researchers I am talking about are Collin Andrews and Freddy Silva. The latter even claims that since 2003, the number of genuine crop circles occurring in Britain can be counted on the fingers of one hand! I admit I am surprised by this claim in light of the C's who stated that most crop formations were genuine, but then again I forget the precise date on which they said this. It is entirely possible that when the C's made that statement, MOST formations WERE genuine. Perhaps most of the more recent designs are fake.

Or perhaps these are Andrew's most recent allegations that are fake ?

In 2000, after two years of undercover research into the people believed making the circles in England between 1999 and 2000, the evidence again was totally compelling that approximately 80% were man made.

Apparently those compelling evidences will only be disclosed to the ones who buy Andrew's $20 CD
_http://www.colinandrews.net/Assessment-Slides01.html

 

[Windmill knight]

Silva explains that the means by which people have constructed the incredibly complex circles in more recent times include advanced positioning equipment to map out the design, as well as making deals with farmers in more secluded fields so that several days/nights can be utilised to make the crop design perfect. Proof of this latter claim lies in those designs which took two (or more) nights to be completed. The famous "Mayan Circle" design near Silbury Hill in August 2004 -- a design I admit I thought impossible to be man-made -- actually appeared over two consecutive nights. I recently came across the two images online (but for the life of me can't find them now!) -- the first image shows the design only half finished. Other images show designs only half made which were otherwise really impressively complex.

Out of my subjective common-sense impression, I find the idea that only 20% are genuine hard to believe. If you have ever stepped into one of the complex formations, you'll notice that it is almost impossible to tell what the image looks like from the ground. In fact, you can even walk right next to a field with a crop circle and not even realize that there is one in there, because you are not high enough to see it. It is confusing and to walk across some of them feels like quite a considerable distance. Walking through the crop is also not the easiest task; it is messy (especially if it has rained!), and the crops are not a smooth surface that can be easily manipulated. Also, in some of these formations there are intricate details that can only be noticed from the ground! For example, I was in one which had pairs of bunches of crop intertwined with each other, forming a sort of arch; something that could only be noticed from close inspection.

For these reasons, I figure that attempting to fake one would be much harder than one would imagine. On top of that, you need to do it in the night, carrying God knows what sort of equipment apart from your ropes and wooden planks, and coordinate the operation with your equally committed and skillful accomplices, without anyone noticing. Assuming that the farmer has agreed (which I think is unlikely, unless the farmer was paid a good sum of money and is disciplined enough to keep quiet), then you would somehow still have to have managed going unnoticed by the general public all these years.

Then there is the 'pay-off'. Why would people invest time, energy and money for years to do something that would not bring any benefit for themselves? The only reason I can think of is that of organized government disinformation, which I suppose is a possibility. But then again, what exactly would be the purpose for such a campaign still needs to be seen! Those psy-ops people also follow the rule of the least effort, and to be honest, I think crop circles are too creative for psychos. ;)

As for the fact that some formations are completed only after two or three nights, I don't think this disqualifies them automatically. It could very well be that they are genuine, and that the intention was exactly to make them appear as progressions, as part of the message itself. So I wouldn't say that 'proves' those are fake.

 

[dantem]

We can find some info about Colin Andrews here:

The TRUTH about Colin Andrews-Crop Circles enthusiast

_http://candi-colinandrews-thetruth.blogspot.com/2007/11/truth-about-colin-andrews-crop-circles.html

FRAUD BY DECEPTION
The TRUTH about Colin Andrews,
The Walter Mitty of the Crop Circles

BY CANDI SWORLEN

INTRODUCTION

I had been interested in Crop Circles since the late 1980’s and I bought several books on the subject, including the impressive work Circular Evidence. Once I left my native Canada and came to the UK to study, I was able to spend the summer of 1990 and 91 looking up circles and even managing to visit the odd one or two with friends. Then University work had to prevail and, for while, Crop Circles took a back seat. It was in my third year as an undergraduate that I was told of a talk being given by someone who was an ‘expert’ on crop circles and I, with a couple of friends, cadged a lift to hear this man’s talk. The evening’s talks re-awoke the interest in crop circles and I began to find out more on the subject.

After graduating, I was lucky enough to find myself working for a design company in Salisbury. Some of my work brought me into close contact with people from Test Valley Borough Council. Again, this ensured that my interest in crop circles continued, after all, wasn’t it a one-time officer of that council, who’d carried out such important research into the phenomenon?

But; when I mentioned the name ‘Colin Andrews’ to my Test Valley contacts I was very surprised to find that they’d seemingly never heard of him! Was this, I wondered, evidence of the vast ‘cover-up’ which Andrews had always warned about? Was the ‘Establishment’ covering up the man’s very existence? I once read a lot on the web about Colin Andrews claiming to have met with a Government official and that this official told him that all the circles researchers would be ‘Taken out (humiliated) one by one’ except Colin, who was thought to be ‘trusted’. Now this statement could be a two-edged sword for Colin. Obviously, he was trying to claim that he -and only he- was ‘trusted’ to work with the Government. But it could also be construed to mean that Colin is actually a Government Agent himself and has been part and parcel of the ‘conspiracy’ he is always on about!
I resolved to look deeper into the subject and try and uncover the Truth.

What I found shocked me.

So, to find out the TRUTH about Colin Andrews, ‘Engineer’, ‘Senior Government Official’, ‘Crop Circles Researcher since 1983’………….Read on!


Candi Sworlen,
Odstock, Wiltshire, UK.
2007
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