2008 Crop Circles

He believes that the circle makers made their "point", but since that point is being imitated and even ridiculed by commercial groups, that the circle makers do not want to continue in such a "hostile" environment.

:lol: Sorry, but you can't really get more 'new agey' than that - as if whatever consciousness is making the crop circles is doing so to get the approval of humans - to not be 'not ridiculed', as it were, or they'd 'get mad' and stomp away... Seems to be some seriously skewed thinking going on there.

I'm sure there are fake crop circles, but I find it much more fascinating that there are real ones.
 
I have to agree with you there anart. In fact there is something rather odd going on with Freddy Silva. If you go to his main page, you will see that he seems to have really jumped onto the New Age bandwagon, and is no longer the researcher he once was. He has turned into a workshop lecturer of such things as "Resonance and the healing properties of sacred space". It's amazing that he somehow "knows" that almost all crop circles since 2003 are fake, when he certainly hasn't visited anywhere near the majority of them. I guess he draws upon his "new age intuition" and "just knows" by instinct. But despite this, he still manages to advertise the 2009 Calendar of CC images on his website! He said in one interview that he would no longer place any images of crop circles on his site that he deemed to be fake. But seemingly this vow doesn't extend into the realm of money-making (unless of course the images used are archival ones he deemed "genuine").

Another thing about Silva which undermined his authority and indeed credibility is the following quote taken from his page _http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/crop_circles_history07.html:

Freddy Silva said:
It is interesting to note that the previous crop circle in this vicinity, in 2004, was also ragged in design and was discovered to contain several intact bird's nests amid the flattened crop; early visitors to the glyph allegedly removed intact eggs. This is where credulity is strained: birds do not create nests amid cereal crop or close to the soil for the obvious reason that any predators such as snakes, mice and rats will eat the eggs. Clearly the nests were placed there to invoke a sense of authenticity in the circles.

So this guy is not only an expert at crop circles, but apparently at the life of birds as well! Since there is not much information to go on (and Silva seemingly didn't bother to ascertain more detailed information about the birds), it is entirely possible that there could indeed have been birds' nests or eggs in the crop. I don't know about other birds, but waterfowl such as prairie ducks are known to nest in cereal crop fields. So if anything has its "credulity strained", it's Freddy Silva himself.

Having said all of the above, I'd like to address Windmill knight's thoughts: There is some evidence that some groups of people are in fact employed to construct elaborate formations in more secluded fields. Apparently the people behind these groups also pay the farmer quite handsomely to allow the makers to construct designs in as much time as they need. And you asked why they'd do this. You gave one possible answer, which I believe is the best one: "organized government disinformation". The purpose is to confuse and undermine the whole phenomenon, "diluting" it. As for crop circles being "too creative for psychos" -- I agree, except you must realise that the fake ones are almost always a copy or variation of a previous (genuine) design. It is known that psychopaths are masters at imitation. In any case, the number of circles constructed in this "farmer-approved" manner would be quite small, since the organisation behind it would still be enormous. And besides, I believe that most of the damage has probably already been done -- people now either accept the genuine formations, or dismiss all of them.

Lastly, I actually AGREE with what you say about how difficult it would be to construct most of the designs. In no way do I necessarily believe the 80% fake claim -- in fact I believe this to be highly unlikely. I know all about the genuine designs, and their complex interweaving, the strange distortion of the nodes, and the non-destructive mechanism which allows the crop to continue to live.
 
I'd just like to thank Dantem for uncovering that most illuminating blog about Colin Andrews. It appears that there is compelling evidence that this "original" crop researcher is nothing more than a fraud. He has repeatedly lied about his credentials (or deliberately allowed the media to perpetuate things he knew full well to be wrong) -- for example, he allowed, and still allows, people to believe himself to have been an electrical engineer, despite the fact that he never even studied engineering at university, nor did he ever hold any engineering-type jobs. This guy clearly has one hell of an ego, and I am immediately reminded of people like Mr Bridges. These types are nothing more than charlatans who continue to lie and deceive their way into appearing as credible people. In light of all this, Mr Andrews' "80% fake crop circles claim" can be dismissed immediately. There is plainly another motive behind such a claim, though at this moment the only motive that comes to mind is that it's to confuse and even discredit the phenomenon.
 
Freddy Silva said:
It is interesting to note that the previous crop circle in this vicinity, in 2004, was also ragged in design and was discovered to contain several intact bird's nests amid the flattened crop; early visitors to the glyph allegedly removed intact eggs. This is where credulity is strained: birds do not create nests amid cereal crop or close to the soil for the obvious reason that any predators such as snakes, mice and rats will eat the eggs. Clearly the nests were placed there to invoke a sense of authenticity in the circles.

Sounds like this could be a 'straw man argument' (building a claim up in order to knock it down) - because this is the first time that I've heard that birds nest in crop circles! But correct me if I'm wrong; perhaps the claim has actually been made? If so, it would be interesting to read it in context and see who made it and what exactly was said.
 
fwiw

Concerning the above quote attributed to Freddy Silva. In the UK at least - if this is where the crop circle under discussion was located - certain birds do nest amoungst young arable crops, skylarks and lapwings for instance and later in the season, certain species of harrier in mature crop. Additionally, many species do indeed nest directly (and others almost directly) on the soil (albeit in different habitats), such as, nightjar, little ringed plover, stone curlew and several others. The adult birds if disturbed off the nest, rely on the camouflage of the eggs for safety from predators. So what he claims about ground nesting birds simply does not stand up to close scrutiny.
 
Thankyou Julian for that valuable information. The crop circle in question was actually located in Arkansas; however, I did a bit of research and found that in some parts of North America at least, prairie ducks nest directly on the ground. Perhaps someone who lives in Arkansas can shed some light on whether birds nest in crops in their state. Though it seems likely, in light of the prairie duck and some British birds, that it's not that uncommon for birds to nest down low. I know that in Australia there are numerous bird species that nest in banks or low shrubs and bushes. They seem vulnerable, but clearly the birds have been doing it for aeons! So it would appear as if Silva is really looking for any and every excuse to dismiss claims of genuine crop circles, perhaps because they don't fit with his new paradigm of "80% fake".
 
3DResident said:
The crop circle in question was actually located in Arkansas; however, I did a bit of research and found that in some parts of North America at least, prairie ducks nest directly on the ground. Perhaps someone who lives in Arkansas can shed some light on whether birds nest in crops in their state. Though it seems likely, in light of the prairie duck and some British birds, that it's not that uncommon for birds to nest down low.

Just a quick search on the internet provided an answer. The state bird for Arkansas is the mockingbird. Here are some of its charateristics:

Description of the Arkansas State Bird
The Mimus polyglottos, as the mockingbird is known scientifically, is about ten inches in length, including its relatively long tail. It has a light gray coat and a whitish underside. Its wings and tail are darker gray with white patches. The male and females look alike. Juvenile has spotted breast.

Length: 10 inches
Weight: 1¾ ounces
Wing Span: 14 inches
General description: Diurnal, omnivore, altricial
Sexual maturity : 1 year
Mating season: Spring and early summer. Mockingbirds usually nest twice a year sometimes 3 or 4 times when conditions are favorable.
Breeding territory: 1 pair per 20 acres
Gestation: Eggs hatch in 12-13 days, the young fledge 11-13 days after that.
Number of young: Eggs are blue-green with brown markings. The 2-6, usually 3-5, eggs per nest are a pale blue-greenish with brown spots.
Nest Location: Ground-low nesting
Nest Type: Open-cup The nest, a joint male/female project, is a bulky, open cup of grass, twigs and rootlets carelessly arranged in a dense.
Migration Status: Permanent resident. This year-round resident is known for its fierce defense of the family nest.
Diet: Mockingbirds require open grassy areas for their feeding, thick, thorny shrubs for hiding the nest and high perches where the male can sing and defend his territory. Gardens are among its favorite dwelling places especially if winter berries are available. The Mockingbird's primary diet is insects (beetles, ants, grasshoppers and spiders),berries and seed.
 
Probably now going off topic - but if anyone interested concerning ground nesting birds in Arkansas try -
birdsofarkansas.org, click on identify birds, sort by habitat menu appears, choose advanced search, select agricultural/grassland, click on details for Dickcissel and Eastern Meadowlark for pics of nest on the ground containing eggs. These seem to be the most likely possible candidates regarding nesting in (young) crops in this part of the world. Osit.
 
New CC at Avebury Down, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. Reported 28th September

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Tigersoap said:
Maybe they are using earth as a giant post-it note for throwing down quick ideas ? :P

:lol: :lol: :lol: and all the while humans are making a hellufa big deal out of it, being amazed at the complex symbolism, some even dedicating their entire lives
to study -in fact- post-it notes..
 
Returning briefly to the birds nests found in a crop circle in Arkansas. Here at

http://www.maar.us/crop_circles.html

one of the nests was said to be discovered still attached to the wheat stalks. And at www.audubon.org there is a pdf file entitled Waterbirds on working lands initiative (for Arkansas) wherein on page 14 it describes Red winged Blackbirds nesting in wheat. So this species is most likely the one involved.
 
essence said:
and all the while humans are making a hellufa big deal out of it, being amazed at the complex symbolism, some even dedicating their entire lives
to study -in fact- post-it notes..

Apologies if I am taking this more seriously than you meant it, but isn't that kinda throwing the baby out with the bathwater? I would say that some contain something of importance. One bad seed does not spoil a whole harvest.
 
Julian said:
Returning briefly to the birds nests found in a crop circle in Arkansas. Here at

http://www.maar.us/crop_circles.html

one of the nests was said to be discovered still attached to the wheat stalks. And at www.audubon.org there is a pdf file entitled Waterbirds on working lands initiative (for Arkansas) wherein on page 14 it describes Red winged Blackbirds nesting in wheat. So this species is most likely the one involved.

Maybe the fact that there were undisturbed birds nests there in the crop circle is why "they" are trying so hard to debunk it. The C's have said that the real ones destroy nothing. Everything is still alive because it is done with the creative force of STO. It would be interesting to see if in this circle the crops stay alive or die off.

fwiw
 
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