2009 Crop Circles

anart said:
Peam said:
Sheesh. I was a bit too quick to dismiss this one as a fake due to its simplicity compared the others. :-[

Well, (and apologies for the late reply) if you look closely at it, there is a lot of asymmetry - curved lines that should probably be straight. A difference in the top corner of each wing. I mean, there are quite few reasons to suspect this 'circle' of being man-made. So, don't be so hard on yourself. Anytime I see such lack of symmetry when it doesn't really seem to serve the design, I also think something's up...

Thanks Anart. Thinking about it, I think my reaction was more to do with not suspecting it could be an ancient symbol, and so exposing a lack of discernment on my part, rather than whether it was a fake or not.
As well as it’s asymmetry and simplicity compared to recent bird crop circles, I’m not sure, but I don’t think genuine crop circles are usually exact copies of known symbols like this one is. Most CC's seem to have a more creative flair to them. So that’s another thing that seems fishy.
 
RyanAM said:
Symbol of Acceptance and Faith
Hi RyanAM. I assume you're meaning the fish is a symbol of acceptance and faith as per Smallwoods suggestion of the Ichthys logo? That would make sense in a Christian context (although possibly abundance rather than acceptance?), as would the Trinity aspect of it. However the fish and the three together suggest Poseidon's Trident to me - God of Earthquakes? Good name for a nuclear missile housed in submarines.

Three years until 2012!

I did a goggle for fish symbolism and thought this article was helpful:
_http://www.whats-your-sign.com/symbolic-meanings-of-fish.html

The fish was sacred to the Greco-Roman mythology, where it held symbolic meaning of change and transformation. We see this in the myth of Aphrodite and Heros when they turned themselves into fish in order to escape from the ferocious Typhon.

In Christianity, the fish is a symbol of abundance and faith as observed in the Biblical story of fishes and loaves. There are also several Biblical references as Christ and his disciples being “fishers of men.” Here, man is represented as the transformational fish and the ocean is a symbol of the abyss of sin in which man finds himself.

Pagan traditions recognized the fish as a feminine symbol of fertility and an attribute of the Goddess. Water is a natural emblem of the flow of the Divine Mother principal, and as such, all creatures of the water (including fish) are aspects of the fertility and power of the female deity.

As an ancient Celtic symbol, the symbolic meaning of fish (salmon, specifically) dealt with knowledge, wisdom, inspiration and prophecy. Ancient Celts believed the salmon derived its wisdom from consuming the sacred hazel nuts from the well of knowledge (Segais). Further, they believed to eat the salmon would mean gaining the wisdom of the well too.

In ancient Eastern Indian mythology, the fish is a symbol of transformation and creation. This is observed in the ancient flood myth in which Vishnu transformed himself into a fish (Matsya) to save the world from a great flood. In this form, he guided king Manu’s boat (which contained the select few survivors & seeds of life to re-create the world after the flood subsided) to safety.

Ancient African creation myths tell of Mangala, the creator, planting seeds in the cosmic womb. From these seeds two fish erupted, and were set forth into the cosmos upon the waters of creation. We see from this myth the symbolic meaning of fish yet again deals with fertility and creativity by embodying a new phase of initial life.

In China, the fish is symbolic of unity and fidelity as it is noted that fish (particularly koi) often swim together in pairs. With this in mind, fish are often given as wedding gifts in the form of charms or figurines to present the newly-wed couple with an auspicious sign of fidelity and perfect union. They also represent fertility and abundance due to their ability to reproduce in speed and volume.

Furthermore, in Buddhism, the fish symbolizes happiness and freedom. Also the fish makes an appearance as one of the eight sacred symbols of the Buddha: 1) Conch, 2) Lotus, 3) Parasol, 4) Wheel, 5) Knot, 6) Pair of Golden Fish, 7) Banner of Victory, 8) Vase.

Lastly, in Norse and ancient European cultures, the fish had symbolic meanings of adaptability, determination, and the flow of life. It was observed by these cultures that fish often display enormous attributes of adaptability in the wild, and they adopted these characteristics for themselves. Salmon were commonly revered for their determination in their annual pilgrimage to their spawning grounds – the entire journey swum against the current.

Edit: And at odds of 30:1 there's a 42 in your posting time. Of course there is.

Edit2: Jesus's feeding of the 5,000 in Mark Chapter 6 also came to mind which I thought might be three fishes but I checked and it was two - _http://bible.cc/mark/6-38.htm which is also interesting since pairs of fish crop up (ah ha ha) so much in other cultures as per Africa, China, Buddhism above and the Astrological Pisces.
 
The Spoon said:
RyanAM said:
Symbol of Acceptance and Faith
Hi RyanAM. I assume you're meaning the fish is a symbol of acceptance and faith as per Smallwoods suggestion of the Ichthys logo? That would make sense in a Christian context (although possibly abundance rather than acceptance?), as would the Trinity aspect of it. However the fish and the three together suggest Poseidon's Trident to me - God of Earthquakes? Good name for a nuclear missile housed in submarines.

Three years until 2012!

I did a goggle for fish symbolism and thought this article was helpful:
_http://www.whats-your-sign.com/symbolic-meanings-of-fish.html

The fish was sacred to the Greco-Roman mythology, where it held symbolic meaning of change and transformation. We see this in the myth of Aphrodite and Heros when they turned themselves into fish in order to escape from the ferocious Typhon.

In Christianity, the fish is a symbol of abundance and faith as observed in the Biblical story of fishes and loaves. There are also several Biblical references as Christ and his disciples being “fishers of men.” Here, man is represented as the transformational fish and the ocean is a symbol of the abyss of sin in which man finds himself.

Pagan traditions recognized the fish as a feminine symbol of fertility and an attribute of the Goddess. Water is a natural emblem of the flow of the Divine Mother principal, and as such, all creatures of the water (including fish) are aspects of the fertility and power of the female deity.

As an ancient Celtic symbol, the symbolic meaning of fish (salmon, specifically) dealt with knowledge, wisdom, inspiration and prophecy. Ancient Celts believed the salmon derived its wisdom from consuming the sacred hazel nuts from the well of knowledge (Segais). Further, they believed to eat the salmon would mean gaining the wisdom of the well too.

In ancient Eastern Indian mythology, the fish is a symbol of transformation and creation. This is observed in the ancient flood myth in which Vishnu transformed himself into a fish (Matsya) to save the world from a great flood. In this form, he guided king Manu’s boat (which contained the select few survivors & seeds of life to re-create the world after the flood subsided) to safety.

Ancient African creation myths tell of Mangala, the creator, planting seeds in the cosmic womb. From these seeds two fish erupted, and were set forth into the cosmos upon the waters of creation. We see from this myth the symbolic meaning of fish yet again deals with fertility and creativity by embodying a new phase of initial life.

In China, the fish is symbolic of unity and fidelity as it is noted that fish (particularly koi) often swim together in pairs. With this in mind, fish are often given as wedding gifts in the form of charms or figurines to present the newly-wed couple with an auspicious sign of fidelity and perfect union. They also represent fertility and abundance due to their ability to reproduce in speed and volume.

Furthermore, in Buddhism, the fish symbolizes happiness and freedom. Also the fish makes an appearance as one of the eight sacred symbols of the Buddha: 1) Conch, 2) Lotus, 3) Parasol, 4) Wheel, 5) Knot, 6) Pair of Golden Fish, 7) Banner of Victory, 8) Vase.

Lastly, in Norse and ancient European cultures, the fish had symbolic meanings of adaptability, determination, and the flow of life. It was observed by these cultures that fish often display enormous attributes of adaptability in the wild, and they adopted these characteristics for themselves. Salmon were commonly revered for their determination in their annual pilgrimage to their spawning grounds – the entire journey swum against the current.

Edit: And at odds of 30:1 there's a 42 in your posting time. Of course there is.

Edit2: Jesus's feeding of the 5,000 in Mark Chapter 6 also came to mind which I thought might be three fishes but I checked and it was two - _http://bible.cc/mark/6-38.htm which is also interesting since pairs of fish crop up (ah ha ha) so much in other cultures as per Africa, China, Buddhism above and the Astrological Pisces.
seeing our weather patterns and global situation, I really hope there will be a 2012 in what we know as time
 
For those interested, here's a link to all crop circles since 1990:

_http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/index.shtml
 
Well, this is an interesting one, created over three days (not sure what that really indicates...)

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/westkennettavenue/westkennettavenue2009.html

monwka001.jpg

Day One (apparently the farmer destroyed the formation after the first night - but it looks like there might have been wavy lines originally in the center...)

monwka002.jpg

Day Two

monwka003.jpg

Day Three

It almost seems a little menacing...
 
Probably it's just the angle and active imagination working together, but in the first picture to me it almost looks like an all seeing eye formed in the midst of the lines.
 
Fwiw, Earthfiles makes a swine flu comparison:

UKSwineFlu061709Virus.jpg


Photomicrograph of 2009 A/H1N1 swine flu virus

UKSwineFluDiagram061709.jpg


Swine flu viral structure by Caspar and Klug. Swine flu virus
concept and images provided by Australian scientist
 
Yes, I saw that, since CCC did the same - but it appears that they are coming to that conclusion from the circle design after the farmer had destroyed the initial circle on day one. In other words - it doesn't make much sense. And, from what we know about the swine flu agenda - the whole idea just feeds into that.

Black Swan said:
Fwiw, Earthfiles makes a swine flu comparison:

UKSwineFlu061709Virus.jpg


Photomicrograph of 2009 A/H1N1 swine flu virus

UKSwineFluDiagram061709.jpg


Swine flu viral structure by Caspar and Klug. Swine flu virus
concept and images provided by Australian scientist
 
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I wonder if this crop circle have something to do with the session of 9th june because the fish is symbol of christ or christianity, paleochristianity? Is it like expansion of christianity...
 
But the thing that interests me most is what got into the farmer head to destroy that first circle, sure he might be disgruntled, but then he has formed part of that crop circle, perhaps something new he would react the way he did or perhaps we have caught one English farmer making a crop circle, pretending he was destroying it.


PS sorry Galaxia2002, I’m still learning my ABC’c, the C’s might say ‘if you like’ or ‘Open’.
 
Davida said:
But the thing that interests me most is what got into the farmer head to destroy that first circle, sure he might be disgruntled,

It's amazing to me that people's minds can be so pedestrian. Here we have - in many instances - the closest thing to "the word of God(s) in our reality, and people just want to get rid of them and get on with their business. Governments want to hide them or create confusion... Geeze, it really makes you wonder if the human race is REALLY evolving - or even a product of evolution!
 
Laura said:
Davida said:
But the thing that interests me most is what got into the farmer head to destroy that first circle, sure he might be disgruntled,

It's amazing to me that people's minds can be so pedestrian. Here we have - in many instances - the closest thing to "the word of God(s) in our reality, and people just want to get rid of them and get on with their business. Governments want to hide them or create confusion... Geeze, it really makes you wonder if the human race is REALLY evolving - or even a product of evolution!


Oh Laura, my refrigerator evolves more sense than half the people I know! :lol: I still think people were planted in poo pots by disgruntled alien clock punchers, seeded on the earth, and accidentally implanted with the attitudes of the 'planters'.

No wonder they don't like crop circles..... :cool2:



(I have to laugh to keep from crying some days)
 
And, they keep on coming...

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/milkhill3/milkhill2009c.html

Milk-Hill-WKennet46A.jpg


(this one looks a bit unbalanced - the lines don't appear to be very clean - a bit 'fishy'...)

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/westkennett/westkennett2009.html

Milk-HillWKennet13B.jpg


(that seems more like it ... of course, that's just my subjective opinion, which, objectively means nothing!)
 
anart said:
(this one looks a bit unbalanced - the lines don't appear to be very clean - a bit 'fishy'...)

(that seems more like it ... of course, that's just my subjective opinion, which, objectively means nothing!)


Funny, I had the exact opposite "subjective" response. The second one struck me as too cliched and self-consciously "pretty" to be "genuine", while the first one struck me as so ODD and kind of JARRING, that I found myself thinking that it is probably communicating something quite important and profound....

:P
 
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