2024 US election: A Kennedy presidency? Trump again? Will it be rigged?

Dugin has some ideas about the upcoming election. His eschatological optimism is pretty crazy sometimes.

"If Trump wins, he will act differently this time.

He won’t have another chance to implement his ideas, and he does have ideas.He wants to change everything in both U.S. foreign and domestic policy.

This time, he won’t care about the Swamp—he’ll simply burn it down with napalm.

In fact, he will establish a national idea against globalism and might even raise the dizzyingly Hegelian question of a constitutional monarchy.

After all, how else can you make America great again if not by proclaiming a monarchy?

Curtis Yarvin, the mastermind behind post-liberal right-wing Vance, talks about the same thing.

Although maybe Dugin is overstating Yarvin's influence on Vance, Yarvin has indeed written about this:

Perhaps at some future date, we could again experiment with a mixed government, of checks and balances, or something, again. Today, in the real world we live in, there are only two real political choices before us: eternal bureaucracy, or elective monarchy.

A bit more about him:

In many thousand words’ worth of blog posts over the past 15 years, computer programmer and tech startup founder Curtis Yarvin has laid out a critique of American democracy: arguing that it’s liberals in elite academic institutions, media outlets, and the permanent bureaucracy who hold true power in this declining country, while the US executive branch has become weak, incompetent, and captured.

But he stands out among right-wing commentators for being probably the single person who’s spent the most time gaming out how, exactly, the US government could be toppled and replaced — “rebooted” or “reset,” as he likes to say — with a monarch, CEO, or dictator at the helm. Yarvin argues that a creative and visionary leader — a “startup guy,” like, he says, Napoleon or Lenin was — should seize absolute power, dismantle the old regime, and build something new in its place.

To Yarvin, incremental reforms and half-measures are necessarily doomed. The only way to achieve what he wants is to assume “absolute power,” and the game is all about getting to a place where you can pull that off. Critics have called his ideas “fascist” — a term he disputes, arguing that centralizing power under one ruler long predates fascism, and that his ideal monarch should rule for all rather than fomenting a class war as fascists do. “Autocratic” fits as a descriptor, though his preferred term is “monarchist.” You won’t find many on the right saying they wholly support Yarvin’s program — especially the “monarchy” thing — but his critique of the status quo and some of his ideas for changing it have influenced several increasingly prominent figures.

Besides Vance and Masters (whose campaigns declined to comment for this story), Yarvin has had a decade-long association with billionaire Peter Thiel, who is similarly disillusioned with democracy and American government. “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible,” Thiel wrote in 2009, and earlier this year, he declared that Republican members of Congress who voted for Trump’s impeachment after the January 6 attacks were “traitorous.”

Fox host Tucker Carlson is another fan, interviewing Yarvin with some fascination for his streaming program last year. He’s even influenced online discourse — Yarvin was the first to popularize the analogy from The Matrix of being “redpilled” or “-pilled,” suddenly losing your illusions and seeing the supposed reality of the world more clearly, as applied to politics.

Overall, Yarvin is arguably the leading intellectual figure on the New Right — a movement of thinkers and activists critical of the traditional Republican establishment who argue that an elite left “ruling class” has captured and is ruining America, and that drastic measures are necessary to fight back against them. And New Right ideas are getting more influential among Republican staffers and politicians. Trump’s advisers are already brainstorming Yarvinite — or at least Yarvin-lite — ideas for the second term, such as firing thousands of federal civil servants and replacing them with Trump loyalists. With hundreds of “election deniers” on the ballot this year, another disputed presidential election could happen soon — and Yarvin has written a playbook for the power grab he hopes will then unfold.

So these ideas are no longer entirely just abstract musings — it’s unclear how many powerful people may take Yarvin entirely literally, but many do take him seriously. And after the 2020 election crisis, the fall of American democracy seems rather more plausible than it used to. To better understand the ideas influencing a growing number of conservative elites now, and the battles that may lie ahead, then, I reviewed much of Yarvin’s sizable body of work, and I interviewed him.

During our lengthy conversation, Yarvin argued that the eventual fall of US democracy could be “fundamentally joyous and peaceful.” Yet the steps President Trump took in that direction after the 2020 election were not particularly joyous or peaceful, and it was hard for me to see why further movement down that road would be.

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For years, Yarvin was something of an odd internet curiosity, with his ideas far from most political conservatives’ radar. He gained one prominent reader — Thiel, who had written about his own disillusionment with democracy, became a Yarvin friend, and funded his startup. “He’s fully enlightened,” Yarvin later wrote of Thiel in an email, “just plays it very carefully.” (Thiel did not respond to a request for comment.) Beyond that, ideas bloggers like Robin Hanson and Scott Alexander argued with him, and he gradually got more attention for being a leading figure in the “neoreactionary” movement.

I don't think it very likely that Trump could napalm the swamp or manoeuvre himself into a literal kingship. But very interesting that Thiel is backing this idea - if the PTB are aiming for a new techno-feudalism eventually, a CEO-King would fit the bill.

Yes, Trump will most likely lift sanctions on Russia and try to break up our alliance with China.

But, rightly so, we won’t support him—we’ll back Kamala Harris.

After all, she will certainly destroy America, which would be more reliable for us.

However, we are satisfied with both outcomes:

Either a great, strong American monarchy based on traditional values (he will swiftly eliminate furries and quadrobers, as well as the LGBT-pluses, take salts away from drug addicts, and finally build the highest wall with Latin America),

Or, liberal degenerates crawling on all fours, high on drugs, abandoning their astronauts in orbit for commercial expediency, and inviting illegal migrants to rob stores and kill white people.

These are very promising elections for Russia.

So, there’s no need to interfere in them.

What for?
 
Kamala's a big fat liar. New parody song; The Doors

The 2024 lyrics state:

You always say what is untrue
You are a master falsifier
When somebody fact-checks you
Like a chameleon you change your attire

Kamala’s a big fat liar
Kamala’s a big fat liar
Liar, Liar, pants on fire!

The time for cackling is through
Joe Biden’s condition is dire
Now the party turns to you
It’s time to claim what you desire

Kamala’s a big fat liar
Kamala is such a liar
Liar, Liar, pants on fire!

You said that you worked in fast food
And put potatoes in a fryer
I hope they have a job for you
Come November when you are FIRED!

Kamala’s a big fat liar
Kamala’s a big fat liar
Liar, Liar, pants on fire!
 
Well, what do you all make of Trump admitting he lost in 2020? Clearly, to me, he does not believe it nor was it true. So:

Was he threatened? Or was he promised something? Pretty big thing, IMO.

If he is wheeling and dealing with the PTB or kowtowing, it kinda heaves a lot of “hopeful”speculation off a skyscraper balcony with a bullet in the back of its head in an apparent suicide.

 
Well, what do you all make of Trump admitting he lost in 2020?
Campaign gambit. Refuting the 2020 election results doesn't help his current situation. It'll just create another avenue of attack by the elites through Kamala. He's learning how to fight the machine, and hopefully deals with election fraud once he's in the WH.
 
If Trump is lucky, he might be able to embarrass Harris for the lying evil snake she is, with no firing neurons at her disposal, in this or the next debates? Maybe after the debate they will face a similar problem that they faced after the debate with Biden? My guess though is that they wanted Biden to fail, and this time around, no matter how bad Harris performs, they will present what she did in a good light.
 
I'm thinking she will probably have a microphone in her ear and somebody will be spoon feeding her the answers and telling her exactly what to say.
Maybe she secretly has gotten an Elon Chip. Will she cackle uncontrollably? That's my big question. Everyone will be watching her breathlessly for a potential melt down. Sadly, it probably won't happen. It would be grand theater.
 
" Well, what do you all make of Trump admitting he lost in 2020? " , playing legitimacy to the overt game of presidential elections, ie mandate of heaven and all that , but at what cost though ? , avoiding the bullet may have "bought " more time for positive changes before a system meltdown , but looking from the "outside" , doesn't seem probable.
 
Campaign gambit. Refuting the 2020 election results doesn't help his current situation. It'll just create another avenue of attack by the elites through Kamala. He's learning how to fight the machine, and hopefully deals with election fraud once he's in the WH.
Well he just said in the debate that he was speaking sarcastically about losing the election. So he hasn't changed his mind about that.
 
You’re smart Mrs Peel. I guess I’m a glutton for punishment.

Sorry, they both suck. Emo yelling, lying, sidestepping the issues, mud slinging. Missing the big picture. I need a drink. Trump not helping himself. He needs to rally and finish strong.

Sadly, my perception is that since Harris is holding her own and not melting down, shes “winning”.

Her quavering voice. Ugh. And her smartass snarky mug. I need a safe space!
 
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