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"Project SERPO" story: HOAX

A comment about the google rankings - there's a whole industry called "Search Engine Optimization", which is dedicated to spoofing search engines into ranking a particular site near or at the top of particular keywords returns. I suppose if these people can afford MoFo, they can also throw a few bones at some SEO firm to make sure their sites rank near the top for certain keywords.

While google is hard to spoof, it's not impossible. Given enough resources, it can be done. It could be that they have someone on the inside of google, but I'd take the SEO explanation before subscribing to any google conspiracy.

I really wish there was a distributed search engine that wasn't under any central control.
 
ATS

Laura,

I came across you blog and wound my way here.

Here is my story with ats.

About 6 weeks ago I submitted a news article to atsnn about the pentagon. It cast the pentagon in a negative light. Two days later I recieved a mysterious phone call from the delorazine clinic in the pentagon. It was a supposedly wrong number. Yea ok.


Now I always thought something was fishy abouot ats. After reading your blog I decided to run a test. This is what happened.

I posted this thread -

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EXPOSE THE AGENTS!
I have been a member here for a little bit. One thing that I find is many high level poeple here actually do not support alternative theories. They use ridicule, "give me proof", and name calling to cut down many here who are asking legitamate questions.
I ran across a very interesting article about ATS. If you like this site, but have a nagging feeling something is not right then please read this article. I do believe this site is run by government associates. In this thread I would like to invite you to post quotes and other information about members who you think are government associates. Lets get to the bottom of this eh? There are many legitamate topics and members here. But from my experience there are also some poeple with questionable agendas. This thread is for uncovering and showing who is a suspected agent. Please don't ridicule me or try to prove me wrong. This thread is not for that. You have your own threads for that. I am hoping the moderators will uphold ATS standards on this one. Lets see.
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As you can imagine I was instantly attacked. The post was moved to the trash bin in about 4 minutes of posting.

Instantly 5 moderaters jumped on me. Including skeptic overloard.

My forum was trashed, then moved to a differnt catagory. I edited it to remove it, but skeptic overloard kept putting it back up. I had to edit it 6 times for him to finally leave it be. So instread he just ran a quote of my post in his post.

They didnt uphold their own rules, they posted off topic, and attacked my post, which is not what they are supposed to do.

You are right on the money about ats.

I am very scared for my saftey right now. I dont know, its fun to poke a tiger, but

How much traking software is on my computer now? They already have my phone number so what can I expect next? Anyone?

Keep up the good work Laura. Very impressive. I would like to get more information about other real forums.

A toolmaker from Michigan

Now my signature is being attacked and I am placed on global ignore. I will never go back to that site again.


View my trashed thread here.... http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=207258&page=#pid2199665
 
ATS

There is absolutely no need to be frightened by spurious phone calls from abject fools.

Many times I have invited local representatives of the CIA and the Mossad to my abode for afternoon tea.

The Mossad bungled their efforts so badly that their agents were arrested on the way into the country I was in at the time and convicted for passport fraud.

While I may be tongue-in-cheek, this is all on record, along with the names of the agents of both entities. It's not politic to move into discussion of this here, but all I would say about disinformation agents at sites like the one commented on in this topic is that they are grossly overpaid for their time if they are paid one red cent. But it's all good for comic relief.

If you have genuine reasons to believe that you are targeted by wrongdoers, then note down the times of any phone calls that you get that concern you, and report them collectively to the call investigation centre of your local telecoms provider. There are hefty penalties for abuse of telephone services by individuals, corporations or other instrumentalities, irresepective of the originator or their interests in any supposed form of surveillance or security.
 
ATS

Mog said:
I would like to get more information about other real forums.

Now my signature is being attacked and I am placed on global ignore. I will never go back to that site again.
now you know the nature of the beast. I agree, now you know there's a tiger in there and let it get a bit too close, I wouldn't go back - you'll get your arm bitten off!

You want to know about a real forum? well... voila! here you are :-)
 
David Icke and ATS

I'll use this to archive my findings on ATS, it's as good a place as any, and I think we can all agree things are not as they seem at that site.

Recently, ATS claimed David Icke would be joining them to form an 'official' David Icke forum.

Now on Davids own site he states:


"Just a quick one. I have had a number of emails recently asking if various website forum contributors using the name 'David Icke' are me. The answer is no in every case. I don't communicate that way so anyone using the name David Icke in forums etc. are definitely not me

all the best,

David "

ATS did not inform members of this and in fact never had direct confirmation from David that an 'official' forum would be in place.

Only after the above quote had been posted on ATS, did Septic ;) overlord say:
"We negotiated the "David Icke" forum through his technology consultant and webmaster.

They first approach us asking for advice and possible collaboration in redesigning their website.

We had an effective agreement to bring David to ATS for a unique opportunity to interact directly with him. But as the days, weeks, and months wore on with no input from David, we first disabled the forum, and recently removed it.

Given this performance and lack of communication, I doubt we'll be open to considering this again.

Sorry folks. It could have been interesting. "

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread203268/pg1

To me, this says they did not have the deceny to talk with David before making a public announcement, and did not have the decency to inform their members.

I (like many others) will be keeping a close eye on these monkeys.
 
David Icke and ATS

Since both of them are most likely COINTELPRO'ers, why bother with their respective squabbles? It's only huffing and puffing to generate noise.
 
"Project SERPO" story: HOAX

This "American Chronicle" site seem willing to publish about anything people send them. This strikes me as the "damage control" on the exposed Serpo Hoax.

_http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=9919


New information about 'Project SERPO' made public

Steve Hammons
May 19, 2006

New information has been made public about the alleged "Project SERPO." This disclosure comes from what appears to be different sources, and has been posted on a different Web site than previous information releases.

The information comes from an anonymous source referred to as "TC," who reportedly contacted the researchers at the "Open Minds Forum" operating on the Web site _http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com, around March 2006. Later information came in April and May.

Information from TC is posted on this site, under the section titled "Seinu Disclosures" and the subsection "T.C. GROUP -The Seinu Disclosures."

The Open Minds Forum researchers reportedly have done significant initial investigation of the source and the information. They state they have not posted these reports until this month, after they had conducted research on the information.

They do not confirm the truthfulness of it, nor do they dismiss it. Additional research related to consistencies in TC's information is posted on the same Web site under the subsection title "TC consistencies."

According to this source, a close associate and friend of his, who he identifies as "J," passed on confidential information from his journal to TC while J was on his deathbed. This information in some ways seems consistent with Project SERPO and the many other reports about UFOs and extraterrestrial visitors, yet also directly contradicts one of the main claims about Project SERPO.

TC's account agrees that visitors from the Zeta Reticuli star system crashed near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947, and that a live being survived on U.S. soil until 1952. His descriptions of these beings appear consistent with the many other reports. The evolution of the U.S. Government response to these visitors also seems somewhat in line with the Project SERPO reports and similar accounts.

However, TC states that no exchange program involving the U.S. military and the inhabitants of the planet Serpo or Seinu took place. He claims Project SERPO, originally called "Project SERPONIA," is a disinformation cover story.

For those who have been following the Project SERPO and Project CRYSTAL KNIGHT reports, the accounts about an exchange program from 1965 to 1978 involving a 12-person joint-service U.S. military team and extraterrestrial visitors from a planet in the Zeta Reticuli star system have been fascinating.

The information has been periodically posted on the Web site serpo,org over the last six months. The releases have come through an e-mail discussion group, reportedly from anonymous sources claiming to be current and former U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) officials.

Now, this version of events has been joined by a somewhat parallel story from TC that contains different and more disturbing details.

SEINU DISCLOSURES

Some of the information posted from J and TC follows:

"I have been instructed to pass the following information on to you per my dear friend's last request. May God rest his soul."

"You may come to find the information somewhat shocking and unable to understand as [redacted] has. I pray the Almighty will look out for the inhabitants of this planet as the coming years will bring much misery. I pass on this information in the hope that you, as an unbiased observer, will make sure the public learns the truth."

"The malevolent EBEs [extraterrestrial biological entities] have abducted many of us to help their dying race. We the human population are their experiment."

"President Eisenhower comes aboard in '53 as I did. When he realized the threat was real, he contacted the Soviets, British and a few other trustworthy heads of state."

"Eisenhower believed the only way to defeat the alien technology was to play along with them until we could defend ourselves against them."

"By '56 we had a surprise visit by a second alien group. They were called the Etherians, we called them the handsome people. They were humanoid and tall."

"At 'J's funeral, we were astonished at the site of many distinguished people. As I was preparing to leave, a man approached and said verbatim, 'Mr. [redacted], I am truly sorry for the loss of your friend. He will be missed by many.' He then took my hand into both of his and shook it. As he did, he slipped a sheet of paper into the cuff of my shirtsleeve. As he turned to walk away, he said, 'Goodbye Mr. [redacted],' and winked his eye."

"I have never seen this man before and was uneasy as to his intensions. As I climbed into the limousine, I pulled the note out and read the message. It was an address, date, time and a sequence of numbers. My wife told me to throw it away. I must admit, (name removed), that I was curious and felt a need to learn why I was given this message, so I went."

"Two days following the funeral I went as instructed and brought along a friend who is a retired police captain He has a permit to carry a firearm, which made me feel safe. We drove the thirty minutes to the city where we came to a five-story building with a security gate."

"My friend took the message and punched in the sequence of numbers written on the bottom of the note. The gate opened and we drove up a ramp into a parking garage. We walked over towards the elevator and my friend tried the stairwell door, but it was locked. The elevator started moving, but we could not activate it due to a box similar to a credit card scanner that was on the wall. I guess you needed a special card."

"The elevator opened and the same man, who had given me the message, waived us into the elevator. There must have been a hidden camera near the doors. He turned a key and we went up to the fifth floor I believe. Another man was standing there when the doors opened. He asked me to raise my arms and proceeded to frisk me. My friend was not frisked and was told to sit on the couch near an office door."

"I was told to walk into another office and I opened the door and two men were sitting on a long couch. I'll tell you, [redacted], I would never of guessed it would have been someone from the WH administration. PW and BM asked me not to use their names, only their initials, due to government computer tracking software. They stood up as I approached them. We shook hands and for the next three hours we discussed 'J's' journal, information that is not in the journal and what is to happen following the meeting."

"They knew about 'J' and how he wanted the public to know about some of the things he shared with you. PW gave me a sheet with the items we had discussed, so I wouldn't forget. He also asked that you release the information I originally gave you, 'to start the ball rolling,' as he put it. The information is to be put on your Serpo forum." [a list of these alleged discussion items is posted on the site.]

"I wish all the best in seeking out your own truth, but you may not like what you find in the end!"

PROJECT SERPO RELEASES

Although J's and TC's accounts are similar in many ways to the Project SERPO releases, the truthfulness of the exchange program becomes a significant point of disagreement.

To review the saga of the Project SERPO story, some of the information from a source who came to be known as "Anonymous" was initially posted in early November 2005 on the serpo.org Web site. He claimed to represent several current and former employees of the DIA.

At first, the information releases were frequent. Then, there were several periods of time with larger gaps between some of the 22 separate sections of information posted on the serpo.org site on 18 different dates. April 3, 2006, was the last time information from Anonymous was posted on the site.

The frequently highly-detailed reports about the origins of the program, the selection and training of the military personnel, their journey aboard the visitors' advanced spacecraft and their experiences over 12 years on the planet Serpo have gained the attention of people around the world.

From the beginning of the releases, there has been healthy skepticism about the truthfulness of the information. After all, even the most open-minded of us had not considered that the state of U.S. Government cooperation with visitors from other planets would have advanced as far as an exchange program. But that was the core of the story from Anonymous and his associates.

Because the people on the receiving end of this information have been quite discreet, it is not publicly known if other releases have been held back or how much more is known about this information and the sources.

It has not been clear if the information has been truthful, partly true, totally fiction, a hoax, part of a psychological operation (PSYOP) or legitimate open source intelligence (OSINT) that has been released to the public at this point in time for reasons unknown.

There was initially an Anonymous #1. And then an Anonymous #2 surfaced. The second source's information seemed more questionable, according to some people involved.

Now, TC and J state that the information from Anonymous #1 was from the Project SERPONIA cover story. So, the information was truthful in that it was based on an elaborate disinformation program, but ultimately is false info. TC and J state that the information from Anonymous #2 seems to be simply made up.

PROJECT CRYSTAL KNIGHT

According to the Project SERPO reports, it all started with the 1947 crash of a UFO, a small spacecraft, in New Mexico where one injured survivor was rescued and taken to U.S. military facilities. He helped authorities use the communications technology onboard the craft and they were able to use it to contact his home planet. This visitor reportedly died in 1952 while still on U.S. soil.

In subsequent communication efforts and contact, plans were made between the Americans involved in this effort, then called Project CRYSTAL KNIGHT, and the visitors from Serpo.

Eventually, and as basically as planned, the visitors did return to Earth and in cooperation with U.S. authorities, landed at an American military facility in the Southwest in 1965. There, the 12-person team boarded one of the visitors' ships to begin the voyage to the Zeta Reticuli star system.

This was reportedly part of the basis for Steven Spielberg's movie CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND. According to some sources, technical advisors for Spielberg have included former U.S. military intelligence personnel who allegedly have knowledge of these projects.

Eight team members returned to Earth in 1978.

Project CRYSTAL KNIGHT was renamed Project SERPO.

It is claimed that the information on the program is contained in the "Red Book," a highly classified collection of these kinds of records kept in a secure U.S. facility.

According to the accounts of this alleged project, the military personnel chosen for the operation went through an extensive selection process that involved many factors, including how to explain a ten-year absence.

The personnel who were eventually selected for the team included eight men from the Air Force, two men from the Army and two male Navy personnel. The team commander was an Air Force colonel. However, there has been one point of disagreement. Some people who claim knowledge of this mission have stated that two female military personnel were part of the team.

The group consisted of the team commander, assistant team commander, team pilot #1, team pilot #2, linguist #1, linguist #2, biologist, scientist #1, scientist #2, physician #1, physician #2 and a person whose primary duty was security.

They were "sheep-dipped," a term used to describe the transition to a covert, clandestine operational status. Their identities were disguised by assigning each of them three-digit numbers in place of their names.

They allegedly underwent a wide range of intensive training over many months that included the sciences, specialized military skills and preparation, astronaut orientation and other activities.

Once the mission was underway, one team member reportedly died en route to Serpo from a medical problem. One died on Serpo. When the team was to return to Earth 12 years later, two team members chose to stay on Serpo. They allegedly were not ordered to return to Earth if they so chose.

Of the eight who returned, all reportedly have passed on, some from medical conditions probably related to the high radiation from Serpo's two suns in the Zeta Reticuli system.

WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

These kinds of information releases are suspected by some people to be part of an acclimation program to prepare the general public, in the U.S. and globally, for the truth of extraterrestrial visitation to Earth and to open our minds about other similarly significant developments.

There are many people who doubt the accuracy of the Project SERPO information. Now, with more questions being asked, more information and/or disinformation being made public and the claim that Project SERPO may have been a cover story, researchers are digging deeper.

Since 1947, when the U.S. Government reportedly was confronted with an undeniable reality of visitation by an advanced extraterrestrial civilization, the reaction of the public was a concern. That has reportedly been part of the reason for the extreme secrecy and disinformation about this subject. Protection of this intelligence information to keep it out of the hands of Cold War adversaries was another reason. There may be other reasons for the secrecy as well.

The new claims by J and TC indicate that there could be complex alliances between human groups and certain extraterrestrials. There may be several groups of extraterrestrial visitors with different agendas, some helpful and some dangerous. These factors have been reported by other sources as well.

Over the decades, we have become more accustomed to movies and TV shows about UFOs and fictitious visitors from outer space. Some of these creatures are portrayed as frightening and dangerous, some as friendly. Whether fictitious, accurate or a little of both, these works in the media have helped us think about possibilities involving this kind of contact.

Of interest, a new book was recently published, co-written by four men with respectable backgrounds working in the fields of defense, intelligence, engineering and space: AN INTRODUCTION TO PLANETARY DEFENSE: A STUDY OF MODERN WARFARE APPLIED TO EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL INVASION.

In addition, the study of "exopolitics" is emerging as a field that explores diplomatic, cultural and political relations between humans on Earth and beings from other planets.

It is not encouraging that the human politics throughout history and now, within our nation and within the international community, have often shown mixed results that do not always reflect well on the human race. Our human development has been a mix of amazing accomplishments, beauty and creativity along with greed, brutality, ignorance and suffering.

Yet, as we go forward, the many good people around the world keep trying, keep struggling to help advance human civilization. And, some might say we need all the help we can get.

Maybe these varied and sometimes conflicting reports about extraterrestrials and special government projects have within them information that will help us get to higher and deeper levels of knowledge and understanding.

We might be able to more clearly identify the true enemies we face and the friends with whom we can build alliances. Our friends may be many and good and strong. Our enemies are sometimes obvious, often hidden, and they are sometimes within.

Maybe this information can help us get to a breakthrough that will help the human race reach new spiritual and scientific truths.

For example, our understanding about the many reports and research on "near-death experiences" might merge with new discoveries about the physics of hidden dimensions in our Universe.

The mysteries of crop circles might be solved and we might gain greater knowledge from them. We could learn what they mean, why they appear and who or what is creating them.

On a more practical level, opening our minds this way could also be part of the probability that our individual and collective consciousness might soon change. ESP phenomena like "remote viewing" and greater knowledge about internal perception could significantly expand for all of us.

As for information about UFOs, extraterrestrial friends and enemies, secret organizations, clandestine programs and similar topics, we can continue putting puzzle pieces together and connecting the dots. The stories and information surfacing now about government projects involving extraterrestrials could just be the tip of the iceberg.

It could be that the Project SERPO exchange program was a cover story, but it was released for a worthwhile purpose. Maybe people who put it forward did so in good faith, believing it to be true or possibly true. Maybe it was just something "to get the ball rolling," as TC's mysterious contact stated.

So, it could be that the Project SERPO releases and the so-called Seinu disclosures are both legitimate clues about what is going on.

There could be many more surprises and challenges facing us in the days to come.
 
David Icke and ATS

kickstand said:
David Icke is not COINTELPRO.
Not consciously, maybe, but he still acheives the aims of COINTELPRO by providing disinformation in the form of unreliable anecdotal evidence, suggests phenomena for which there is very little evidence (namely shape shifting reptoid politicians) and seems to be completely unwilling to develop his understanding of phenomena which are well overdue some attention (particularly psychopathy). In short, he is a 'useful idiot' and his 'typical new age' conclusions as to what somebody can do about the situation we are in show very little insight or advancement on the ideas of the 'new age' (disinformation) movement in general.
 
David Icke and ATS

kickstand said:
David Icke is not COINTELPRO.
I disagree. COINTELPRO is meant to disinform. While his research into secret societies is deep and well-reasoned, his end results were just completely lacking for me. I found myself at the end of the book scratching my head asking "Is that the answer David?"

I will admit that I haven't finished one of his books since The Biggest Secret, but that is because when I started to read Children of the Matrix the whole feeling of his writing was off. Perhaps it was because I had found the Cassiopaea page then and was starting to feel much more aligned with that. But David felt well, Icke ;)

And the C's put into words exactly how I felt about David's conclusions, especially in regards to evil and how it is not just something off, which is how he presents it, but rather a natural part of the universe. Icke would like you to think it was a wrong in need of righting. And this leads us into the idea of a savior who rights all the wrongs for us, who will save us from the horrible Lucifer. In my opinion, that is COINTELPRO.

C's session 11-21-98

Q: (L) Okay, I got the "Robot's Rebellion," book and I was
hoping this was going to be something useful, and he says in
here: "Just as the sun is the mind that guides the Solar System,
the Galactic Mind guides the galaxy and the Universal Mind
guides the universe. The Source is the mind that guides all
creation. Sunspot activity is linked to this flow of energy from
the sun to the solar system, and this indicates the times when
the flow is at its most powerful." Are sunspots an indication
that a flow of information is at its most powerful?
A: Maybe.
Q: Then this David Icke says: "The imbalanced consciousness
that I will call Lucifer is not an essential part of the
positive/negative balance. He is a disrupting, disharmonious
aspect of consciousness, which is not necessary for human
evolution. More than that, Lucifer's efforts to close off the
channels that link humanity to its higher understanding have
blocked, not advanced, our evolution." Is this a correct
assessment of this Luciferian Consciousness, that it is not part
of the positive/negative balance of the universe, and that it has
blocked our evolution?
A: No.
Q: Can you comment on the Luciferian consciousness and
what part it may play in our evolution and reality?
A: It is part of the lesson plan.
Q: That was my thought as well, but he says that because of
this problem with the Luciferian consciousness, the "higher
levels of creation began to intervene because Lucifer was
imposing its misunderstandings on others and breaking the
universal law of free will. Is this true?
A: No.
Q: I have read about this 'decision to intercede' by higher
levels of consciousness who look down upon mankind and
feel sorry for our terrible suffering, and that somehow, if
something isn't done, the whole universe will be overcome by
this evil... so it has got to be 'stopped.' A number of sources
promote this idea, which then leads, generally, to claims that
this or another alien group is part of the 'good guys' or bad
guys, or whatever. Is any of this idea accurate?
A: No.
Q: So, what is, IS, and we only suffer exactly as much as we
need to learn? Is that it?
A: There is more to it than that, but at this point, you would
be unable to comprehend.
Q: Icke says "this Luciferian consciousness is a large aspect
of Divine Consciousness which chose to work against the
Source. Is this true?
A: Not really.
Q: Well, it SEEMS that the Luciferian Consciousness is
working against the Source. If it is not, what is it doing?
A: Balancing where needed.
Q: He says: "Other volunteers, aspects of very highly evolved
consciousness, came into the universe and this galaxy in an
effort to restore harmony. They did not incarnate in physical
bodies on the earth, they arrived in spacecraft, some of them
miles in length, while others simply manifested themselves
here. These were extraterrestrials who came to bring
knowledge to this planet hundreds of thousands of years ago."
Is this true? Yes or no?
A: Neither.
 
David Icke and ATS

Don't get me wrong, I like this site.. but I'm seeing a lot finger pointing and accusations towards hard working people who have been fighting the current political system since the dawn of the internet, and in some cases before hand.

I would therefore ask you, who is not COINTELPRO? Is this the only site which is reliable?

It's looking like this is turning into another http://www.wingtv.net type of site, where the focus is on 'exposing disinfo agents' within the movement.

As for David Icke, I don't agree with all his theories but you have to admit the guy has done more for the global truth movements than almost any other person. If you read his books he uses credible sources and can back up the information, this in my opinion outweighs the only theory of his people can poke holes in, the Reptilian Agenda.

We could turn things onto the flip side if we wanted to and claim that SOTT is only here to cause in fighting (like wingtv) and confusion. I do not believe this myself, however can see how some groups/sites have come to this conclusion.
 
David Icke and ATS

kickstand said:
I'm seeing a lot finger pointing and accusations towards hard working people who have been fighting the current political system since the dawn of the internet, and in some cases before hand.
Icke has not been living a rough life. He does speaking engagements and lives on the presitgious Isle of Wight in England. Where is the opposition from the Powers that Be? If he really were such a help to us all, don't you think he would be having a difficult time living in the real world? Cuz I tell you what, Icke's got it made in the shade compared to the stuff that Laura and Ark and the Signs team has gone through with the various psychopaths that have been unleashed upon them. That is not to be overlooked. He is being allowed to do what he does.

Who else do you think is undeserving of criticism? Rense? ATS? Serpo and TC? Michael Tsarion? Speak up, let it be known where you stand on which people you feel are underappreciated here. We are here to discuss, not to issue broad generalizations. That's just plain noise
 
David Icke and ATS

Hi kickstand,

It sounds like you have quite an emotional connection to David Icke's material, as if you've identified with it to the point that a criticism of the material feels like a criticism of yourself. It's not. Exposing disinfo agents is actually a very important thing to do if one wants to try to get to the truth of any situation, and has nothing to do with 'infighting'. We try to quote the truth where we find it, and do the same for quoting the disinformation where we find it - no matter how long the 'source' of the disinformation may have been around.

I also notice that instead of supplying data to support your contention that Mr. Icke is not cointelpro, that you attack this forum and SOTT site. As we have learned time and time again, this kind of behaviour tends to indicate that the attack is due to a lack of evidence or data on the part of the attacker. If you have data that suggests that Mr. Icke is not cointelpro, then please don't hesitate to let us know - accusing this site of being here to 'cause infighting', however, is not only a distraction from the subject at hand, but a rather ridiculous conclusion in itself.
 
David Icke and ATS

kickstand said:
I would therefore ask you, who is not COINTELPRO? Is this the only site which is reliable?
Probably the best bet is to follow the signs links, there's a few there. Sometimes it's not a matter of COINTELPRO but a high noise to signal ratio. The links in the below are usually fairly good in the signal to noise ratio.

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/links_ext.php

As for Icke, can't really comment on him as I haven't read him.Though I met his Australian book distributor a couple of weeks ago, who seemed to be in it for the money. Just my observation.
 
David Icke and ATS

In fairness, you should present your case for Icke being disinfo.

I did not attack this site, merely highlight how you appear to other groups and sites.

I stated I do not believe this myself, although I am turning.

"If you have data that suggests that Mr. Icke is not cointelpro, then please don't hesitate to let us know" - This statement is backwards.

Think about it. You should have to DEFEND someone when there has been no evidence. Icke is not disinfo, prove otherwise. I do not need to prove Icke isn't. You on the other hand need to show me something to make me believe he is.

In which case we could say "anart, prove to me you're not a government agent".

That's just plain silly.

Re Links page, see here http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=885 SOTT seems to support disinfo agents or is sending a mixed message.

No need to attack me simply because I don't agree with you. I expect to see hard evidence before you start calling people like Icke, Rense and Jones disinfo agents. These people do more good than anyone else around.

We need fair and balanced evidence in all cases, I really am shocked right now with the lack of.

Should we suspect everyone of working for the government until proved otherwise?

You can focus on making life hard for your fellow activists, or you can get on with the job at hand and HELP fight the NWO and current political system.

Then again, those who go about things the wrong away, screaming the odds without evidence make us all look bad.
 
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