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There are two extremes. One is the type of person with the qualities Jonathan ascribes to members of this forum. There are many members on this forum, and maybe a few out of that many have sounded a bit "Chicken-Little-ish", but then we have had a few psychopaths posting here as well, and that does not mean the forum is psychopathic.

The other extreme is Jonathan.

Don't sing it... Just BRING IT.

Famous last words Jonathan. I would say: "Be careful the wishes you make", is a wise thing to remember here.

I think the two extremes have a lot more in common than it seems. Alot of people proclaiming doom left and right really want something to give a bit of excitment to their drab lives, while those bothered by discomforting possibilities are more afraid than those who dare place attention on them.

Yeah, as Don mentioned, I did post about over-emphasis on fear, and how falling into fear can be debilitating. The powers that be want us to be afraid. However, the road to courage is the one that passes through things that trigger fear. To change the discomforting probabilities we have to face them. Avoiding any discussion of things that do concern people (people with families among others), is a bit of an ostritch attitude, isn't it? And the point of facing these things is to understand why they are there, and explore if anything can be done about them. I would call that a mark of courage, wouldn't you?

 

[John White]

David Icke and ATS

I joined that ATS Icke forum

Their claim of "days,weeks,months" is a bare face lie: the forum lasted 17 days!

It is true that they contacted Icke webmaster to set up the forum, he confirmed that to me himself

However, his version is that the whole thing came from ATS

Icke did do one interview for them, about a page long, which got buried in their front page and was mostly not read by the people engaging with the forum

In my opinion, ATS did not understand Ickes work and were not familiar with its range and scope. Fine to talk about invisible reptillians, but when I and others started talking about the One Party State, ATS was suddenly not so keen: in particular it is worth noting that Ickes work has frequently encompassed areas that ATS is known to ban members for mentioning: ususally swiftly

Of course, Ickes got new problems now!

And, this being my first post, hello all!

 

[paulnotbilly]

David Icke and ATS

If (actually quite a big one at that) you're interested in the 'problems' he's got at the moment:

http:(2 slash)www(dot)davidicke.com/content/view/1772/1772/

http:(2 slash)groups(dot)msn(dot)com/DAVIDICKEISATERRORISTPOSSIBLYTHEANTICHRIST/worldunitedtostopdavidicke(dot)msnw

I'm not going to apologise for the bad spelling on the second link, odds are it's intentional.

PS: it might look like I'm an Icke 'apologist', I've moving away from his stuff towards SOTT, it might take longer than anticipated.

 

[vinny]

David Icke and ATS

I've also read some of Icke's work, and took to the guy, he comes across as a likeable and sincere chap. However, he's a very emotionally energetic person, and it looks like he has been 'played' by the ptb, just like oh so many others, so that his emotional energy is used to cloud his judgement. He seems to have been 'setup' to follow a particular line, and part of that is to do with one of the standard COINTELPRO strategies, ie if you can't get a train to stop, then instead pour energy into it, run it faster and faster until it comes off the rails. Looks like that's what has happened to Icke, he's been rocket fuelled so far into leftfield he has effectively nullified any good that might have come out of his high profile and high energy position. it is such a shame. well, there is a war on, and it is for our minds. it is not fun to see the casualties.

 

[wilecoyote]

David Icke and ATS

I think David Icke was allowed to reach that level of popularity he's at now. Haven't you guys read what Laura and the QFG wrote about Icke?

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/1772/1772/

I think that situation described in the above link is a trap, a disinformation strategy. Icke has been allowed to go unchallenged for so long, it's about time he had an enemy.
The PTB realized, albeit too late that analytical individuals (like members of this forum) realized that Icke was a willing or unwilling pawn in the COINTEL game. So, they had to throw in some 'conflict' into the Icke drama.

I find Icke has done so much damage to the entire genre of consipracy theories and the ufo/alien phenomenon. Icke is popularized by the 'reptilian' trademark. Whenever i raise up Icke as a topic of discussion, it goes straight to 'that walking lizard/ reptilian guy', and whenever i bring up the topic of conspiracy theories, Icke's name comes up.

When new truth seekers start on the path, and investigate conspiracy theories, Icke's books are at the foremost of the shelves. They stand out the most, heck, even the assistants at the book shops recommend Icke. Upon reading Icke's material, especially the Reptillian Agenda, any health critically thinking individual, any healthy skeptic will be tempted to just 'throw the baby with the bathwater'.

It's because there are facts and truths mixed with garbage. Icke's popularity is not an accident. Had it not been for the Cass material, I would not have given serious thought to any other discussions on hyperdimensional reality.

Another important fact is that Laura and her children were threatened/terrorized for her investigation and research into the 911 situation and the US political situation, and other serious matters. That means she hit a nerve right?

Icke has been spewing his mixed conspiracy theories, and what happens? the guy is lecturing people all over the world. (I had a lecture of his from Mt Shasta). A guy who goes around calling the President of the United States an idiot, and the Queen of England a reptilian shapeshifter, is allowed freedom of movement?

If Laura was to go dissing the queen of england, and calling George bush an idiot, believe you me, a law would be passed so that she would be the only one violating it. (Sorry for the exaggeration). What i mean is that, anything, any slip up, any mistake would be used against an individual who is pro-truth, and reveals information that is threatening to the PTB.

John Kaminski comes to mind as an example of someone who was manipulated (by Rense and the group) to write emotionally charged (anti-bush, anti-zionist) articles, editorials etc, which can easily be used against him. In simple terms, he dug his own grave. (I'm not versed on the specifics of the situation, but it was mentioned in the recent 911 podcasts).

I hope i'm painting something related to a clear picture here.

 

[Laura]

David Icke and ATS

Thanks Wiley. Very clear and incisive. Yeah, it was after I pointed out that ole Rense must not be much of a threat to the PTB that his good buddy Daryl Bradford Smith came along and started lobbing soft-ball attacks at him. So, I reckon they learned a thing or two and now they know they have to put Icke on the hotseat to make him more credible.

Gee, it would be nice if they would get the idea to stop attacking us, to erase all the crap that their agents write about us, and just leave us the heck alone. I could use some peace and quiet for research.

But they don't want that... for SURE!

 

[wilecoyote]

David Icke and ATS

Yep, they want to keep distracting and interfering with the research and truth dissemination process of truly objective authors/investigators/researchers. At the same time, the book sales of disinformation agents like david icke keep rising, and his name becomes a popular buzz word, to the point of new agers requesting him for seminars!

As far as i know, Icke is living a comfortable life in the UK, on the Isle of Wight/wite/??? Now tell me, how could someone who blatantly and repeatedly tarnish the queen of england's and prince charles' names, be allowed to live in the same country without trial? A simple phone call from someone in authority could land Icke in jail on some contrived count or violation. Other people have landed n jail for things of a pettier nature.
For such a popular and 'in the eyes of the public' character, he gets away with alot.

Case in point, Lisa Guliani. Her name and image are being smeared, her life threatened, and she isn't half as popular as David Icke. This is too obvious to be termed a coincidence. Icke has given lectures in the US, and no resistance.

Lisa was interviewed by Laura, and there were so many threats being directed at the SOTT group via email. There were even agents coming on the forum with the intention of confusing and misleading with their posts, topics and responses (which by the way had a high level of NLP wording).

Who then do you think is a threat to the PTB? The SOTT group, Laura, Ark and the QFS, or David Icke?

When objectivity is applied, it is clear as day that Icke is in cahoots with the PTB, and I even dare say, a conscious agent of the PTB.

 

[dhess31]

David Icke and ATS

As for Icke, I STILL can't BELIEVE that he bought Arizona Wilder's story.

Or maybe he didn't, and that is the whole point...

Don

 

[John White]

David Icke and ATS

Who then do you think is a threat to the PTB? The SOTT group, Laura, Ark and the QFS, or David Icke?

When objectivity is applied, it is clear as day that Icke is in cahoots with the PTB, and I even dare say, a conscious agent of the PTB.

None of the above, compared to free thinking self-deprogrammed heart centered individual diverse human beings

I see a multiplicity of approaches comparing themselves to each other: in that, thats great

But should there perhaps be some caution not to get so wrapped up in doing that that we forget to see where our feet are walking to and lose our way?

On the Icke/Objectivity/PTB question, what then would explain ATS locking down its "Icke Forum" after 17 days? Surely if he was a direct asset that forum would have remained open?

(A question to ask if the discussion could focus again on the thread theme?)

 

[Obi]

David Icke and ATS

On the Icke/Objectivity/PTB question, what then would explain ATS locking down its "Icke Forum" after 17 days? Surely if he was a direct asset that forum would have remained open?

Are you trying to say that the fact that ATS closed the Icke thread after 17 days is an indication that Icke ain't the PTB agent?

Did you consider that the PTB could have done this manuover exactly to protect their important asset and to allow their agents to use this as an arguement across different forums on the Internet. This is a known tactic that one disinfo agent attacks or explicetly ignores the other disinfo agent to make it appear they are in opposition, when in fact they are all part of the same game.

 

[John White]

David Icke and ATS

No, I'm asking a question and being objective

I can see the potential of your POV: I'm also experianced enough with considering alternative streams of information to recognise that it can quickly lead to "THEY control everything and we are all F*****

And previously mentioned, Im here respectfully to learn wether SOTT has made progress beyond the traditional response to "Is this COUNTERINTEL?" than fearing smoke and mirrors...and how SOTT welcomes new members to the community and how SOTT treats genuine honest enquiries is also the balance of wether this community is reaching out to help others in mutual co-operation, or turned in on itself in a bunker and/or fruit-loop mentality

So far I dont know: I can see potentials leading many ways

Hence: asking a question

 

[Laura]

David Icke and ATS

On the Icke/Objectivity/PTB question, what then would explain ATS locking down its "Icke Forum" after 17 days? Surely if he was a direct asset that forum would have remained open?

That's a good question and I have some thoughts about it. In order to get the whole thing, you might want to read the Project Serpo thread HERE and the Simon Gray thread HERE and the abovetopsecret thread HERE.

Rather than suggest anything to you, I would like for you to read them and tell me what you think. Pay particular attention to the dates in the Serpo thread...

 

[John White]

David Icke and ATS

Thankyou Laura, I will look at those links

As a point of fact, I have just been spending some time reading the ATS thread further down this forum and I have been impressed with the insight of many of the comments

I will return later, John

 

[Obi]

David Icke and ATS

I can see the potential of your POV: I'm also experianced enough with considering alternative streams of information to recognise that it can quickly lead to "THEY control everything and we are all F*****

Thanks, that was exactly what I was asking for. Glad you clarified the point.

I do not think there is this kind of mentality here on the forum, but I leave it for you to decide for yourself. I believe it is counter-productive and disarming.

And previously mentioned, Im here respectfully to learn wether SOTT has made progress beyond the traditional response to "Is this COUNTERINTEL?" than fearing smoke and mirrors...and how SOTT welcomes new members to the community and how SOTT treats genuine honest enquiries is also the balance of wether this community is reaching out to help others in mutual co-operation, or turned in on itself in a bunker and/or fruit-loop mentality.

The SOTT forum works very much like a mirror. Its response to new memebers is very much dependent on how respective members introduce themselves and on their attitude towards the forum and other members. If you are open, there is nothing to worry. If you come here with an agenda and/or preconceived notions or sacered cows as we like to call them, then you can get a scratch test pretty much right away.

So far I dont know: I can see potentials leading many ways

So, like Laura said: its is up to you to discover where they may lead you.

Hence: asking a question

In the same spirit I asked you to clarify your position. Note, that both of my points were questions. If I asked them a bit too hard, please excuse my style.

 

[John White]

David Icke and ATS

thankyou Obi: similarily, if my response was a "bit too hard", please excuse mine

"The SOTT forum works very much like a mirror"

In that, dont they all? Much like reality

Nice to see a forum where that is understood conciously though