I would not at all be surprised if that was the case. Surely the Iranians are aware of all the above, yet they still put their president and FM in the situation.
Accident? Iranian President and Foreign Minister killed in Helicopter Crash
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The conflict between West and Iran has some victims on both sides. The 'belief' in Islam that came out as a counter force to West's 'colonial' mindset has its own victims. So when this type of incidents (big player in the situation dies) happen, it is normal for some people to celebrate. How much is disproportionately hyped (through media and NGO's) and how much is real is hard to say.
Here is some interesting article on the reaction of Iranian public. The Author of the following article seems to carry Western narration. Atleast this gives indication of direction Western media narration tries to peddle w.r.t this incident with obvious purpose of ignoring the elephant in the room - Israel. Probably we can imagine the labels Pro-Palestine college students get in this process.
Here is some interesting article on the reaction of Iranian public. The Author of the following article seems to carry Western narration. Atleast this gives indication of direction Western media narration tries to peddle w.r.t this incident with obvious purpose of ignoring the elephant in the room - Israel. Probably we can imagine the labels Pro-Palestine college students get in this process.
Yep, that was my thought as well. Five significant, some highly important, members of the government taken out in one go.
And then there is this statement that made me think about what Paulides said often happened to the rescue crews when they tried to find missing people. There was a sudden change of weather that made the search extremely hard. In this case this "sudden" change of weather could facilitate mistakes and be the cause of the accident. Or maybe it was also right after whatever event that caused the crash.
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Apart from what @seek10 wrote, perhaps there was inspiration from The Times of Israel:
Iran has been under sanctions from US and allies for a long time. Any hope for change and chaos in the country is to their advantage.
Some are in that direction. Now, we have been observing that there had been sudden severe weather due climate change but 2/3 helicopters arriving safely and eliminating data is suspicious in itself.
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This map allows to see previous days. Maybe you can find the location and the exact time of the crash and see what weather was at this location. From what I was able to gather, the crash happened in the morning of 19th of May. This info was from the Russian TG news channel, so it's possible that the morning time as it was in Iran.
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Precipitation Forecast Map | Rain, Snow, Clouds | Zoom Earth
Interactive rain and snow map. ICON and GFS models. Shows global forecasted precipitation.
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LinkThis map allows to see previous days. Maybe you can find the location and the exact time of the crash and see what weather was at this location. From what I was able to gather, the crash happened in the morning of 19th of May. This info was from the Russian TG news channel, so it's possible that the morning time as it was in Iran.
Precipitation Forecast Map | Rain, Snow, Clouds | Zoom Earth
Interactive rain and snow map. ICON and GFS models. Shows global forecasted precipitation.
There is 2:30 difference between UTC( image time zone) and Varzaghan ( incident location 1PM) and that makes 10:30 PM UTC in the above graph. Weather wise is it is light rain ( though rain increased later). All other parameters ( in the above site) seems to somewhat normal. There was moderate rain pocket came north of the location after 6 to 7 hours of the incident.
WhiteMountain
Padawan Learner
There could be a lot of things going on. I saw that Iran actually raided the embassy of India because an Indian national was a suspect, so Iran definitely suspects something. I cannot imagine India actually being involved though - unless they or one of their rogue operatives got paid an insane amount of money by Mossad so they would have plausible deniability.
It is possible that whoever was responsible for assessing the weather and giving that information to the pilots was paid to deliberately give them bad information - especially if the origen was on foreign territory and the guy responsible could slip away. The same guy could have also sabotaged the altimeter or anythign else in the plane to make it look like an accident caused by the weather if he had access to the planes. Maybe even screw with a the fuel gauge and siphon away fuel. Tons of possibilities for plausible deniability.
Also it is possible, in a great irony, that they actually deliberately flew in bad weather because they were afraid of Israeli sabotage. I mean why not a plane? Maybe they thought it was too easy a target to stinger missiles is the only reason I can think of; perhaps helicopters can only be hit if you have someone in the area at that altitude and they took an unexpected flight path deliberately through the worst terrain and weather possible as Israel would not expect it. Maybe they thought if they had a course low to the ground over mountains in bad weather it would be harder to shoot the plane down and they trusted their pilots to navigate the terrain (not smart). But if this was the rationale Iran might consider Israel an INDIRECT cause since they were forced to take such measures because the Israelis are such evil snakes.
If I were the Iranian President I would be staying close to home given events of the last few months. That was the most stupid decision of all. Israel has shown it has no morals and will do anything, and he had to know he would be a target. I mean the president of Slovakia was just taken down days ago! The height of arrogance. Maybe he thought Allah would protect him LMAO :) Good luck with that! Not helping the poor people of Gaza.
Also interesting is this story: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/iran-a...s-for-spreading-satanism-and-nudity-1.6891498. Basically Iran arrested a bunch of Satanists. So maybe there was a motivation for another group, which might have even included Mossad officials or assets given how we know how intelligence agencies are into this crap.
It is possible that whoever was responsible for assessing the weather and giving that information to the pilots was paid to deliberately give them bad information - especially if the origen was on foreign territory and the guy responsible could slip away. The same guy could have also sabotaged the altimeter or anythign else in the plane to make it look like an accident caused by the weather if he had access to the planes. Maybe even screw with a the fuel gauge and siphon away fuel. Tons of possibilities for plausible deniability.
Also it is possible, in a great irony, that they actually deliberately flew in bad weather because they were afraid of Israeli sabotage. I mean why not a plane? Maybe they thought it was too easy a target to stinger missiles is the only reason I can think of; perhaps helicopters can only be hit if you have someone in the area at that altitude and they took an unexpected flight path deliberately through the worst terrain and weather possible as Israel would not expect it. Maybe they thought if they had a course low to the ground over mountains in bad weather it would be harder to shoot the plane down and they trusted their pilots to navigate the terrain (not smart). But if this was the rationale Iran might consider Israel an INDIRECT cause since they were forced to take such measures because the Israelis are such evil snakes.
If I were the Iranian President I would be staying close to home given events of the last few months. That was the most stupid decision of all. Israel has shown it has no morals and will do anything, and he had to know he would be a target. I mean the president of Slovakia was just taken down days ago! The height of arrogance. Maybe he thought Allah would protect him LMAO :) Good luck with that! Not helping the poor people of Gaza.
Also interesting is this story: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/iran-a...s-for-spreading-satanism-and-nudity-1.6891498. Basically Iran arrested a bunch of Satanists. So maybe there was a motivation for another group, which might have even included Mossad officials or assets given how we know how intelligence agencies are into this crap.
WhiteMountain
Padawan Learner
To be completely fair Iran is far from a free country. I am guessing the vast majority of the population would love to be out from under the thumbs of the Ayatollahs. And while the citizens can technically elect a president, we all know the Ayatollah has the final authority in that nation. I think it is horrific to jail people because of their religious beliefs. So I do not think the criticism is totally unwarranted. It is possible to say that Iran and Israel BOTH have repressive regimes but Israel has a foreign and domestic policy that is much, much worse (i.e. ethnic cleansing and attacking its neighbors without contrition). And in any war between Iran and Israel, Iran would have the more justifiable position. Hell, right now nearly every government is dictatorial because the leaders are all puppets.
That being said, Iran is much more liberal today than in the 1980s. For example, Saudi Arabia is much more draconian on those who do not have the right religious beliefs. They actually have beheaded Shiite MUSLIM LEADERS because they do not approve of that sect. Saudi Arabi literally assasinated a US citizen in an embassy in Turkey and also was involved in the 9/11 attacks! If these Europeans have a problem with Iran, then they to be consistent should be calling for the sanction of all Saudi oil and trade relations because they are much, much worse!!! Trump literally would bad mouth Iran, but he and his son in-law at the same time would have nice cozy meeting with the Saudis, selling then prime US weaponry. Total and completely hypocrisy.
It looks they are recirculating the 2105 picture to claim India is involved.
Fake claims of Indian Involvement in Iran's Prez Chopper Crash goes viral - DFRAC_ORG
The claim reads “Reports are coming in that Iranian intelligence and special forces have raided the Indian embassy in Tehran.” But its Fake.
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SOTTREADER
The Living Force
Whatever happened, the Iranians hit us with some propaganda. "Hard landing" 
Why not just say "we don't know until we find the helicopter".
So whatever comes next, I'm not sure we'll get straight information. All we know if the helicopter crashed and they died. That's it.
Why not just say "we don't know until we find the helicopter".
So whatever comes next, I'm not sure we'll get straight information. All we know if the helicopter crashed and they died. That's it.
Arlind
Jedi
There could be multiple reasons for that and not necessarily malevolent i.e.Whatever happened, the Iranians hit us with some propaganda. "Hard landing"
i. for the shock of the incident to not be just passed down to the population in its raw state for fear of impulsive retaliations against whoever people declare as the perpetrators. Let's not forget how volatile things in the region and every player is 'heavily' armed.
ii. maybe there was still hope, however small, that they may be rescued; and many more potential benevolent crisis containment reasons..
Damage control can be used for positive aims as well. An incident of that scale needs a measured and cool headed propagation of info.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
One can always make excuses for propaganda. The justification is always that it's for the greater good. Doesn't change the fact it's propaganda though!
I don't mean to be black & white but propaganda is propaganda the same way a lie is a lie.
IMO, it was bad propaganda too as clearly the landing wasn't "hard" (I mean it was but it wasn't, it was a bloody crash). Just say, "We lost contact with the helicopter and we have initiated a search for it based on its last known position. We will let you have more information when we find it out. "